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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29828</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 15:55:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudoplotinus, thanks for giving us your thoughts at such length and especially your personal experiences.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudoplotinus, thanks for giving us your thoughts at such length and especially your personal experiences.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29786</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 10 Nov 2012 00:24:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, unlike my previous display of abundant certitude, my preference for Rubio is only preliminary at the moment. But my reasoning is as follows:

First, you should know I am a lifetime resident of California, which by itself should explain most of my reasoning. During the last few decades I saw my state go from 16 consecutive years of Republican governerships to becoming a client state of Public Union and Minority Interests. This years election brought the additional spectacle of handing over super majorities to the democrats in both houses.

The catalyst for the shift was the successful use of the immigration issue by Pete Wilson in the 90&#039;s which got him two terms as governor, but pretty much stigmatised the Republican party ever afterward as the party of anti-immigration in the eyes of hispanics. The rest is history.

So my view of this last election is, rationally or not, colored by what took place in my own state since the 1980&#039;s. From the presidential post mortem so far one of the take aways appears to be that the severe drop off of hispanic votes for Romney, compared to Bush in 2004, had devestating effect. My take is that it was the spectacle of watching this years Republican candidates discuss how best to hunt down and export illegal immigrants back out of the country that effectively gave the hispanic vote to Obama on a silver platter.

So it seems to me the next presidential candidate needs to have the following qualities:

1. A compelling biography that can help instanciate the idea that, particularly if you&#039;re an immigrant or a child of immigrants, the US is a country of opportunity.

2. The ability to eloquently explain how that opportunity is available to American citizens only because of our peculiarly American understanding of the role of small govenment and the industrious citizen.

3. And therefore the future of opportunity for American&#039;s, immigrant or otherwise, rests in a renewed understanding of that principle.

4. To offer an alternative vision of immigration reform that doesn&#039;t scare hispanics into the arms of the democrats.

5. Not be a caricature of WASP-ish republicanism.

Rubio is the only candidate I&#039;ve seen thus far that can effectively meet these requirements. It remains to be seen if he is ready for the challenge, but it appears he&#039;s already shown signs of flirting with a 2016 run.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, unlike my previous display of abundant certitude, my preference for Rubio is only preliminary at the moment. But my reasoning is as follows:</p>
<p>First, you should know I am a lifetime resident of California, which by itself should explain most of my reasoning. During the last few decades I saw my state go from 16 consecutive years of Republican governerships to becoming a client state of Public Union and Minority Interests. This years election brought the additional spectacle of handing over super majorities to the democrats in both houses.</p>
<p>The catalyst for the shift was the successful use of the immigration issue by Pete Wilson in the 90&#8242;s which got him two terms as governor, but pretty much stigmatised the Republican party ever afterward as the party of anti-immigration in the eyes of hispanics. The rest is history.</p>
<p>So my view of this last election is, rationally or not, colored by what took place in my own state since the 1980&#8242;s. From the presidential post mortem so far one of the take aways appears to be that the severe drop off of hispanic votes for Romney, compared to Bush in 2004, had devestating effect. My take is that it was the spectacle of watching this years Republican candidates discuss how best to hunt down and export illegal immigrants back out of the country that effectively gave the hispanic vote to Obama on a silver platter.</p>
<p>So it seems to me the next presidential candidate needs to have the following qualities:</p>
<p>1. A compelling biography that can help instanciate the idea that, particularly if you&#8217;re an immigrant or a child of immigrants, the US is a country of opportunity.</p>
<p>2. The ability to eloquently explain how that opportunity is available to American citizens only because of our peculiarly American understanding of the role of small govenment and the industrious citizen.</p>
<p>3. And therefore the future of opportunity for American&#8217;s, immigrant or otherwise, rests in a renewed understanding of that principle.</p>
<p>4. To offer an alternative vision of immigration reform that doesn&#8217;t scare hispanics into the arms of the democrats.</p>
<p>5. Not be a caricature of WASP-ish republicanism.</p>
<p>Rubio is the only candidate I&#8217;ve seen thus far that can effectively meet these requirements. It remains to be seen if he is ready for the challenge, but it appears he&#8217;s already shown signs of flirting with a 2016 run.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29776</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 23:27:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudoplotinus, why Marco Rubio?  Not that there has to be a specific reason for that sort of thing, I was just wondering about your thought process.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudoplotinus, why Marco Rubio?  Not that there has to be a specific reason for that sort of thing, I was just wondering about your thought process.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29762</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 18:37:45 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[So against my better judgement I told my wife this morning that I want to start volunteering to support the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections. This armchair quarterbacking via blog is pointless. 

I had an amusing image come to mind of the image of Leonidas at Thermopylae a la the 300 wearing a Rubio 2016 button. I laughed, then suddenly became inspired.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So against my better judgement I told my wife this morning that I want to start volunteering to support the upcoming 2014 and 2016 elections. This armchair quarterbacking via blog is pointless. </p>
<p>I had an amusing image come to mind of the image of Leonidas at Thermopylae a la the 300 wearing a Rubio 2016 button. I laughed, then suddenly became inspired.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cheeks</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29738</link>
		<dc:creator>Robert Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 11:39:28 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I think all the GOP has to do is abandon the oft failed RINO/Neo candidates that it ALWAYS nominates. Nominate a TRUE conservative, campaign on the founding American principles and let&#039;s see if we (1) Get millions more in voter turn out and (2) win the election.

If there are future elections, if we aren&#039;t fighting in the streets in the next four years, if we continue to have a gov&#039;t we might want to try this.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I think all the GOP has to do is abandon the oft failed RINO/Neo candidates that it ALWAYS nominates. Nominate a TRUE conservative, campaign on the founding American principles and let&#8217;s see if we (1) Get millions more in voter turn out and (2) win the election.</p>
<p>If there are future elections, if we aren&#8217;t fighting in the streets in the next four years, if we continue to have a gov&#8217;t we might want to try this.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29734</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 07:02:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pete, not despair so much as perplexity. But nicely aimed barb none-the-less.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pete, not despair so much as perplexity. But nicely aimed barb none-the-less.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29731</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:56:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudoplotinus, you&#039;ve gone from unwarranted confidence to unwarranted despair without traversing any of the space in-between.  You might hold the key to discovering faster-than-light travel.  

I don&#039;t have the complete answer to the questions and neither does anybody else today.  Doesn&#039;t mean Republicans can&#039;t win on a platform of good public policy with a better campaign, a better message (which will take time to take root), and favorable circumstances. That doesn&#039;t mean there are any guarantees.  Nobody is entitled to win as long as they do X, Y, and Z.  But Republicans can do a lot better job talking to a lot more people.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudoplotinus, you&#8217;ve gone from unwarranted confidence to unwarranted despair without traversing any of the space in-between.  You might hold the key to discovering faster-than-light travel.  </p>
<p>I don&#8217;t have the complete answer to the questions and neither does anybody else today.  Doesn&#8217;t mean Republicans can&#8217;t win on a platform of good public policy with a better campaign, a better message (which will take time to take root), and favorable circumstances. That doesn&#8217;t mean there are any guarantees.  Nobody is entitled to win as long as they do X, Y, and Z.  But Republicans can do a lot better job talking to a lot more people.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29730</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 09 Nov 2012 02:47:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, right about Bush.  His campaign skills (which only partly involve public speaking) are currently way underrated.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, right about Bush.  His campaign skills (which only partly involve public speaking) are currently way underrated.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29700</link>
		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 20:02:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[sara:  I didn&#039;t say they should have done anything differently re: Akin, I just wonder whether their shunning of him did in fact turn off a lot of these &quot;rural, white, mainly evangelical voters&quot; who apparently stayed home for whatever reason.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>sara:  I didn&#8217;t say they should have done anything differently re: Akin, I just wonder whether their shunning of him did in fact turn off a lot of these &#8220;rural, white, mainly evangelical voters&#8221; who apparently stayed home for whatever reason.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/08/stupid-and-clueless/comment-page-1/#comment-29699</link>
		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 08 Nov 2012 19:56:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;I think the party and Mitt would’ve been hurt far more by actively associating themselves with Akin and Mourdock.&quot;

Very true. Though much of the damage came from the media effectively putting the national microphone in front of Akin and Mourdock even while it went AWOL after a few cycles passed on Bengazi. Messaging can become pretty difficult in an environment where you mistakes are magnified and their mistakes are muffled.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;I think the party and Mitt would’ve been hurt far more by actively associating themselves with Akin and Mourdock.&#8221;</p>
<p>Very true. Though much of the damage came from the media effectively putting the national microphone in front of Akin and Mourdock even while it went AWOL after a few cycles passed on Bengazi. Messaging can become pretty difficult in an environment where you mistakes are magnified and their mistakes are muffled.</p>
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