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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30465</link>
		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 22:31:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Wicked funny, whetted my appetite even more, HT.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Wicked funny, whetted my appetite even more, HT.</p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30445</link>
		<dc:creator>HT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 19:06:27 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Thanks, Carl. I&#039;ll be dropping in from time to time.  I forgot that in addition to making a serious argument, Nelson&#039;s article is actually funny.  I haven&#039;t got online access to Analysis, but here&#039;s how it begins:

&quot;President Anheuser W. Bush was having a bad day.&quot; [...] &quot;Here it was, the eve of the American Tercentennial, and America had no place to celebrate it, because the last remaining piece of American soil had been sold off.&quot;]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Thanks, Carl. I&#8217;ll be dropping in from time to time.  I forgot that in addition to making a serious argument, Nelson&#8217;s article is actually funny.  I haven&#8217;t got online access to Analysis, but here&#8217;s how it begins:</p>
<p>&#8220;President Anheuser W. Bush was having a bad day.&#8221; [...] &#8220;Here it was, the eve of the American Tercentennial, and America had no place to celebrate it, because the last remaining piece of American soil had been sold off.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30435</link>
		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 15:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[hope to see more Seaton-HT exchanges in the future...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>hope to see more Seaton-HT exchanges in the future&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30432</link>
		<dc:creator>HT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 21 Nov 2012 13:59:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[The article I was thinking of is &quot;A problem for conservatism&quot; by Mark T. Nelson in Analysis 69(4), 2009.  Apparently the author teaches at a Christian college, Westmont.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The article I was thinking of is &#8220;A problem for conservatism&#8221; by Mark T. Nelson in Analysis 69(4), 2009.  Apparently the author teaches at a Christian college, Westmont.</p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30415</link>
		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 23:27:46 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[And thanks for the Analysis hat tip; can&#039;t have too many critiques of libertarianism --  &quot;creepy and creeping&quot; (or galloping) as it is today.  I particularly relish reductio-critiques.

On the Kolnai front, start with Ethics, Value &amp; Reality.  Or, if you like quirky but penetrating political philosophy, do Privilege and Liberty.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>And thanks for the Analysis hat tip; can&#8217;t have too many critiques of libertarianism &#8212;  &#8220;creepy and creeping&#8221; (or galloping) as it is today.  I particularly relish reductio-critiques.</p>
<p>On the Kolnai front, start with Ethics, Value &amp; Reality.  Or, if you like quirky but penetrating political philosophy, do Privilege and Liberty.</p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
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		<dc:creator>HT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 22:04:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Paul, of course I understand we can&#039;t keep up with everything.  I&#039;m not a professional academic, and have little time for *any* of the stuff I&#039;m most interested in.  But if you organize conferences with titles like Stuck with Virtue and you&#039;re a professional philosopher, you might once in a while have a glance at a book on virtue ethics outside your usual reading (gentle dig, Peter; no harm intended).  I myself am cursed with a too-wide curiosity and desire to understand things.

Thanks for the tip on Kolnai, whom I&#039;d never heard of.  I&#039;ll check him out -- I frequently like off-the-beaten-path thinkers.  Incidentally, I see the well-known analytic philosopher Barry Smith has an interest in him, so once in a while even those dryasdust academics hit pay dirt (as the Wittgensteinian Peter Winch developed a fascination with Simone Weil).  The journal Analysis usually doesn&#039;t have much on politics, but recently they published an interesting reductio ad absurdum of libertarian thinking applied to foreign ownership of a country&#039;s property -- so you never know.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Paul, of course I understand we can&#8217;t keep up with everything.  I&#8217;m not a professional academic, and have little time for *any* of the stuff I&#8217;m most interested in.  But if you organize conferences with titles like Stuck with Virtue and you&#8217;re a professional philosopher, you might once in a while have a glance at a book on virtue ethics outside your usual reading (gentle dig, Peter; no harm intended).  I myself am cursed with a too-wide curiosity and desire to understand things.</p>
<p>Thanks for the tip on Kolnai, whom I&#8217;d never heard of.  I&#8217;ll check him out &#8212; I frequently like off-the-beaten-path thinkers.  Incidentally, I see the well-known analytic philosopher Barry Smith has an interest in him, so once in a while even those dryasdust academics hit pay dirt (as the Wittgensteinian Peter Winch developed a fascination with Simone Weil).  The journal Analysis usually doesn&#8217;t have much on politics, but recently they published an interesting reductio ad absurdum of libertarian thinking applied to foreign ownership of a country&#8217;s property &#8212; so you never know.</p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 19:35:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I had a vague recollection that you&#039;d remonstrated with Peter a while back about not knowing contemporary virtue-ethics.  This is a delicate matter.  No one can be universally cognizant; we have to pick-and-choose, and often our options are significantly shaped by our disciplines, our encounters, our personal likes-and-dislikes, circumstances beyond our control, .... ;  in other words, we&#039;re human and our intellectual life is too.  I am fascinated by the topic of &quot;Europe,&quot; but there&#039;s no way I can keep up with everything about Europe that crosses my path and that looks interesting.  (FYI:  Same thing&#039;s true with &quot;virtue&quot;.)  What&#039;s true about myself, I tend to recognize and allow for in others.  In general, even though I&#039;m a professor of philosophy, I don&#039;t find that the academic disciplines and academic practitioners of philosophy today nearly satisfy me in my quest for wisdom, or at least better understanding of the world, both as it is today and sub specie aeternitatis; in particular, I usually find academic philosophy and philosophers remarkable unhelpful when it comes to politics.  So, I turn elsewhere for light and wisdom.  No doubt I miss a lot of good stuff in the journals, etc. that way, but I also find that when I talk to fellow academic philosophers, I can bring to their attention interesting thinkers that the discipline doesn&#039;t consider.  For example, Aurel Kolnai.   I introduced him to a rather well-known Catholic ethician recently, and he&#039;s ordered his books.   I look forward to hearing from him what he thinks about this superb 20th century Catholic moral philosopher.

Thanks for your response.   Gotta go teach ... .]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a vague recollection that you&#8217;d remonstrated with Peter a while back about not knowing contemporary virtue-ethics.  This is a delicate matter.  No one can be universally cognizant; we have to pick-and-choose, and often our options are significantly shaped by our disciplines, our encounters, our personal likes-and-dislikes, circumstances beyond our control, &#8230;. ;  in other words, we&#8217;re human and our intellectual life is too.  I am fascinated by the topic of &#8220;Europe,&#8221; but there&#8217;s no way I can keep up with everything about Europe that crosses my path and that looks interesting.  (FYI:  Same thing&#8217;s true with &#8220;virtue&#8221;.)  What&#8217;s true about myself, I tend to recognize and allow for in others.  In general, even though I&#8217;m a professor of philosophy, I don&#8217;t find that the academic disciplines and academic practitioners of philosophy today nearly satisfy me in my quest for wisdom, or at least better understanding of the world, both as it is today and sub specie aeternitatis; in particular, I usually find academic philosophy and philosophers remarkable unhelpful when it comes to politics.  So, I turn elsewhere for light and wisdom.  No doubt I miss a lot of good stuff in the journals, etc. that way, but I also find that when I talk to fellow academic philosophers, I can bring to their attention interesting thinkers that the discipline doesn&#8217;t consider.  For example, Aurel Kolnai.   I introduced him to a rather well-known Catholic ethician recently, and he&#8217;s ordered his books.   I look forward to hearing from him what he thinks about this superb 20th century Catholic moral philosopher.</p>
<p>Thanks for your response.   Gotta go teach &#8230; .</p>
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		<title>By: HT</title>
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		<dc:creator>HT</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 18:00:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Well, I didn&#039;t really mean to be snide, Paul, with the &#039;silo&#039; comment.  Apologies if it reads that way.  I did mean to be a bit *sharp* however, and stress that philosophy in my view is a sort of seamless garment, and is especially so with regard to its proper &#039;appropriation &#039; by theology.  I have observed that the political philosophers/scientists here (and the people they read and refer to) appear to have no serious interest even in a subject like contemporary &#039;analytic&#039; virtue ethics, which is substantial and generally very Aristotelian in its inspiration -- let alone post-Fregean philosophy of language, say.  In this they are very unlike the Scholastics, who all took language, logic, ethics and metaphysics very seriously (see Geach&#039;s Reference and Generality).  I believe John Haldane, certainly a species of conservative, has remarked somewhere that the closest analogue of Scholasticism in philosophy today is the analytic &#039;school&#039;.  I agree with him.

Thanks for reading what I said carefully and responding.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Well, I didn&#8217;t really mean to be snide, Paul, with the &#8216;silo&#8217; comment.  Apologies if it reads that way.  I did mean to be a bit *sharp* however, and stress that philosophy in my view is a sort of seamless garment, and is especially so with regard to its proper &#8216;appropriation &#8216; by theology.  I have observed that the political philosophers/scientists here (and the people they read and refer to) appear to have no serious interest even in a subject like contemporary &#8216;analytic&#8217; virtue ethics, which is substantial and generally very Aristotelian in its inspiration &#8212; let alone post-Fregean philosophy of language, say.  In this they are very unlike the Scholastics, who all took language, logic, ethics and metaphysics very seriously (see Geach&#8217;s Reference and Generality).  I believe John Haldane, certainly a species of conservative, has remarked somewhere that the closest analogue of Scholasticism in philosophy today is the analytic &#8216;school&#8217;.  I agree with him.</p>
<p>Thanks for reading what I said carefully and responding.</p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30382</link>
		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2012 01:50:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[An addendum:  upon rereading HT&#039;s post, I see that he might simply be attributing the &quot;silo&quot; location/characterization of &quot;political&quot; philosophy to Rahner; if so, I have no idea of what Rahner had in mind.   But if HT is reporting Rahner rather than making his own characterization, I withdraw the thought that he&#039;s being (directly) snide.  Still, the question of the natura et ordo scientiarum is in play.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>An addendum:  upon rereading HT&#8217;s post, I see that he might simply be attributing the &#8220;silo&#8221; location/characterization of &#8220;political&#8221; philosophy to Rahner; if so, I have no idea of what Rahner had in mind.   But if HT is reporting Rahner rather than making his own characterization, I withdraw the thought that he&#8217;s being (directly) snide.  Still, the question of the natura et ordo scientiarum is in play.</p>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/11/17/some-real-action/comment-page-1/#comment-30375</link>
		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 19 Nov 2012 22:17:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It looks to me that HT and I come down pretty much on the same spot when it comes to the relevant facts and merits of Rahner&#039;s theology.  We both agree that he employed Kant &amp; Heidegger to a great degree, starting with &quot;Spirit in the World&quot;, and that that led to unfortunate theological consequences (&quot;Anonymous Christian[ity]&quot; anyone?).   Of course in a comment-post, it&#039;s impossible to provide a thorough review of all of the volumes of Theological Investigations (and there are aspects of his thought that are quite good, including a magisterial treatment of &quot;concupiscentia&quot;, not to mention some beautiful Ignatian reflections); hence the Ratzinger statement, which itself was not intended as a full statement of the characteristics (or merits) of Rahner&#039;s thought by his erstwhile collaborator.   (One could look at the &quot;Principles of Catholic Theology&quot; and &quot;Truth and Tolerance&quot; for more extended treatments by the theologian-Bishop-Cardinal.)   

I did seem to strike more than one nerve, though, with the post, since HT also displayed his capacity for (moderate) snideness with his &quot;silo&quot; comment and his exasperated (?) brief exposition of what true &quot;Catholic philosophy&quot; is and entails today.  HT probably has a certain conception of what &quot;political philosophy&quot; is, which led to his (mild but) slighting remark about it.  What I, or Manent, mean by it may be something different, though.  One would be hard-pressed to judge on the basis of a post or two.

However,  the real issue his comments raise -- one that I am personally and professionally interested in, and some of our more systematic-minded  readers and commentators as well  -- is, how the genuinely catholic Catholic intellectual should conduct his or her mind?  I tried to indicate that Wright embodies a (particular biblical) faith without openness to philosophy, while Manent practices a high form of philosophical analysis, but brackets his own faith, which is unsatisfying to the demands of faith.    As for HT&#039;s comments, I&#039;m certainly not averse to the various disciplines he (?) listed (and we both would agree there are many more), but how they are arranged and ordered is a real issue.    Merely denigrating &quot;political philosophy&quot; and listing other disciplines that a catholic/Catholic mind should pursue doesn&#039;t get us very far.  And the list of eminent practitioners, many of whom I read, some with profit,  doesn&#039;t get me very far in this regard.  I strongly suspect that this is not the place to pursue this topic, since it can very quickly get academic and pedantic,  but I thought I&#039;d at least acknowledge that it was, and is, worth pursuing.  Cheers.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It looks to me that HT and I come down pretty much on the same spot when it comes to the relevant facts and merits of Rahner&#8217;s theology.  We both agree that he employed Kant &amp; Heidegger to a great degree, starting with &#8220;Spirit in the World&#8221;, and that that led to unfortunate theological consequences (&#8220;Anonymous Christian[ity]&#8221; anyone?).   Of course in a comment-post, it&#8217;s impossible to provide a thorough review of all of the volumes of Theological Investigations (and there are aspects of his thought that are quite good, including a magisterial treatment of &#8220;concupiscentia&#8221;, not to mention some beautiful Ignatian reflections); hence the Ratzinger statement, which itself was not intended as a full statement of the characteristics (or merits) of Rahner&#8217;s thought by his erstwhile collaborator.   (One could look at the &#8220;Principles of Catholic Theology&#8221; and &#8220;Truth and Tolerance&#8221; for more extended treatments by the theologian-Bishop-Cardinal.)   </p>
<p>I did seem to strike more than one nerve, though, with the post, since HT also displayed his capacity for (moderate) snideness with his &#8220;silo&#8221; comment and his exasperated (?) brief exposition of what true &#8220;Catholic philosophy&#8221; is and entails today.  HT probably has a certain conception of what &#8220;political philosophy&#8221; is, which led to his (mild but) slighting remark about it.  What I, or Manent, mean by it may be something different, though.  One would be hard-pressed to judge on the basis of a post or two.</p>
<p>However,  the real issue his comments raise &#8212; one that I am personally and professionally interested in, and some of our more systematic-minded  readers and commentators as well  &#8212; is, how the genuinely catholic Catholic intellectual should conduct his or her mind?  I tried to indicate that Wright embodies a (particular biblical) faith without openness to philosophy, while Manent practices a high form of philosophical analysis, but brackets his own faith, which is unsatisfying to the demands of faith.    As for HT&#8217;s comments, I&#8217;m certainly not averse to the various disciplines he (?) listed (and we both would agree there are many more), but how they are arranged and ordered is a real issue.    Merely denigrating &#8220;political philosophy&#8221; and listing other disciplines that a catholic/Catholic mind should pursue doesn&#8217;t get us very far.  And the list of eminent practitioners, many of whom I read, some with profit,  doesn&#8217;t get me very far in this regard.  I strongly suspect that this is not the place to pursue this topic, since it can very quickly get academic and pedantic,  but I thought I&#8217;d at least acknowledge that it was, and is, worth pursuing.  Cheers.</p>
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