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Thursday, November 29, 2012, 3:02 PM

Our friend as Tom Harmon is big on a CONSERVATIVE yet POSTMODERN response to the exchange in PUBLIC DISCOURSE. I’m glad, of course, to see the exhange, although it doesn’t cover new ground.

PM’s attempt to be all civil theological about the Declaration depends on an interpretation that has never struck as plausible. The most noble way to interpret the Declaration is as a compromise between Lockean and Puritanical factions, a compromise between two modern heresies that each contains part of Christian truth. But I’ve told you about that before.

PD at his most strident writes as if THE COMMUNIST MANIFESTO were a realistic description of something called capitalism and liberalism is nothing but another name for capitalism. But even Marx knew he was exaggerating big-time. He was, you might remember, trying to incite a revolution.

But there is an upside to Locke. His Christian heresy, as I’ve told you before, is to understand us as PERSONAL but not RELATIONAL. There’s someting good about not seeing each of us, fundamentally, as either a citizen (as do the civic republicans) or as species fodder (as do the Darwinians). Our Lockeans and our Christians, remember, uniteded against those Communists and Fascists who want to reduce persons to History fodder.

I agree with Patrick (which really means I agree with Tocqueville and Carey McWilliams) that the Americans often ARE better than they SAY. And there’s a constant danger that therapeutic Lockeanism might deprive us of the words that correpond to who are as free and relational beings open to LOGOS–to the truth about all things. I also agree that we’ve almost Lockeanized marriage out of existence. But we really haven’t done the same for love and death. We don’t live after virtue. MacIntyre’s exaggerations cause too many traditionalists to disparage Americans as they are– as, say, charitable and honorable southern evangelicals who enjoy NASCAR and shop at Walmart–too much.

I think PM is right, following either Jaffa or Chesterton, that any American conservatism has to incorporate what’s true and dignified about the Declaration. It’s a good thing that our nation–more than any other–is a nation with the soul of the church, and that we worship at the altar of the equal unique and irreplaceble dignity of every human person. That kind of interpretation of the Declaration, of course, depends on bolstering Thomas Jefferson with Thomas Aquinas–or at least with Orestes Brownson and Chesterton.

Tom, that’s all I got. Again, I didn’t really see anything NEW in the exchange. You might respond that you don’t see anything new in what I’m saying here. Not bad for 22 minutes, I hope.

6 Comments

    Tom H
    November 29th, 2012 | 3:18 pm

    Ask, and you shall receive! Thanks, Peter. I agree there’s nothing new. The reason I asked was because I’ve been seeing a little bit of interest in this debate from among some of my theologian friends who don’t normally think about Locke, Jefferson, and liberalism in these terms. So I’m very glad to have a PomoCon entry in the discussion I can point to for the benefit of those just tuning in.

    Deneen vs. Munoz: Pro Wrestling | cathlick.com
    November 29th, 2012 | 4:48 pm

    [...] exchange in PUBLIC DISCOURSE. I’m glad, of course, to see the exhange, although it Source: Postmodern Conservative   Category: Blogs and [...]

    CJ Wolfe
    November 29th, 2012 | 4:55 pm

    What’s new is the venue- both wrastlers are at Notre Dame now

    CJ Wolfe
    December 8th, 2012 | 4:33 pm

    Deneen uses a very nonstandard definition of “voluntarism” in his article. He says:

    “By ‘voluntarism,’ I mean a philosophic claim, arising especially in the social contract theories of Hobbes and Locke, that political arrangements can only be deemed to be legitimate when they have been voluntarily chosen by the citizenry.”

    That’s strange; “Voluntarism,” usually refers to non-teleological approaches to ethics, beginning with Occham. Also, my friend Nathan Schleuter wrote a reply to Deneen and Munoz worth reading: http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/12/7322/

    CJ Wolfe
    December 8th, 2012 | 5:20 pm

    Here’s a quote from Schleuter that Pomocons might find thought provoking (or simply provoking):
    “the American Founders did not build better than they knew, they knew more than they said.”

    CJ Wolfe
    December 14th, 2012 | 11:25 am

    Deneen strikes back at Schleuter, and argues against what he calls the “Brownson/Murray/Lawler” argument:

    http://www.thepublicdiscourse.com/2012/12/7411/


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