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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:39:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I should note, academic libraries often have public access catalogues available to the general public, so you do not need a WorldCat search, though WorldCat can get you proximate holdings list.  Not so sure about public libraries.  Your reference librarians can help you interpret the serial holdings statements if they confuse you.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I should note, academic libraries often have public access catalogues available to the general public, so you do not need a WorldCat search, though WorldCat can get you proximate holdings list.  Not so sure about public libraries.  Your reference librarians can help you interpret the serial holdings statements if they confuse you.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 22:34:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[There are no selections above.  That&#039;s the kitchen sink.  Your librarians at Lakeland should have a subscription to WorldCat, with or without public access.  From this you can get a list of what is to be found at Case Western Reserve&#039;s library.  Spend part of an afternoon there.  Put the half-dozen or so book review publications side by side and see which works for you.  Compare &lt;i&gt;Geographical&lt;/i&gt; to &lt;i&gt;National Geographic&lt;/i&gt; and see which has the content more conducive to filling the gap in your knowledge you want to fill.  Categorize the publications you examine as follows:

1. Insufficient value added to justify time;
2. Library scan and browse
3. Library read
4. Home subscription faux de mieux
5. Home subscription preferred.  

Case Western Reserve is likely to be the library with the most comprehensive collection near you, though there may be a central metropolitan library in Cleveland with a good deal.  The librarians at Lakeland can help you identify which publications are at convenient local libraries.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>There are no selections above.  That&#8217;s the kitchen sink.  Your librarians at Lakeland should have a subscription to WorldCat, with or without public access.  From this you can get a list of what is to be found at Case Western Reserve&#8217;s library.  Spend part of an afternoon there.  Put the half-dozen or so book review publications side by side and see which works for you.  Compare <i>Geographical</i> to <i>National Geographic</i> and see which has the content more conducive to filling the gap in your knowledge you want to fill.  Categorize the publications you examine as follows:</p>
<p>1. Insufficient value added to justify time;<br />
2. Library scan and browse<br />
3. Library read<br />
4. Home subscription faux de mieux<br />
5. Home subscription preferred.  </p>
<p>Case Western Reserve is likely to be the library with the most comprehensive collection near you, though there may be a central metropolitan library in Cleveland with a good deal.  The librarians at Lakeland can help you identify which publications are at convenient local libraries.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:39:32 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[In re National Geographic, I am confessing to periodically (!) becoming reactionary.  There again, I miss the good old days of the National Geographic of my youth, the 1950s. My grandmother had every copy going back to I don&#039;t even know when and I was allowed to look at the pictures and then read those to heart&#039;s content.  Those were kept in the corner of a rarely used room where the adults were happy to leave the child to herself as long as she was quiet.  It was a different sort of publication, but then again. liberality was a different sort of politics back then.  

I&#039;ll grant you the publications you mention, but I did not know them then.  I found National Review in the Columbia University&#039;s Butler Library periodical section one afternoon in about 1972 and liked it.  My DSOC/Harrington-besotted husband was shocked at both my ignorance of what I had read and of my sympathy with its politics.  That library probably had all of those publications you mention, but I didn&#039;t read them.  

Again, liberality was different back then and a stream of it became what we now think of as a part of conservative politics.  College experience was different.  Lots of things were different.  The Internet has both limited paper publications and made other media expression more accessible.  The blogging world and the Internet are a cacophony of voices to me; we always have to make choices. 

I watched TV last night for the first time in a very long time, only for about 30 minutes, but it left me feeling a little sick.  It&#039;s frenetic.  Then again, there are probably tasteful choices that can be made by the cognoscenti.  I probably ought to watch just to understand modern politics better.  It seems like a punishment, but I can always turn it off.  Just as we can choose to read or not read and where and how to read.  

Thank you for your selections above, A.D..  I have been exploring their online iterations.  It&#039;s a new year, after all, and a good time for reading new things.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In re National Geographic, I am confessing to periodically (!) becoming reactionary.  There again, I miss the good old days of the National Geographic of my youth, the 1950s. My grandmother had every copy going back to I don&#8217;t even know when and I was allowed to look at the pictures and then read those to heart&#8217;s content.  Those were kept in the corner of a rarely used room where the adults were happy to leave the child to herself as long as she was quiet.  It was a different sort of publication, but then again. liberality was a different sort of politics back then.  </p>
<p>I&#8217;ll grant you the publications you mention, but I did not know them then.  I found National Review in the Columbia University&#8217;s Butler Library periodical section one afternoon in about 1972 and liked it.  My DSOC/Harrington-besotted husband was shocked at both my ignorance of what I had read and of my sympathy with its politics.  That library probably had all of those publications you mention, but I didn&#8217;t read them.  </p>
<p>Again, liberality was different back then and a stream of it became what we now think of as a part of conservative politics.  College experience was different.  Lots of things were different.  The Internet has both limited paper publications and made other media expression more accessible.  The blogging world and the Internet are a cacophony of voices to me; we always have to make choices. </p>
<p>I watched TV last night for the first time in a very long time, only for about 30 minutes, but it left me feeling a little sick.  It&#8217;s frenetic.  Then again, there are probably tasteful choices that can be made by the cognoscenti.  I probably ought to watch just to understand modern politics better.  It seems like a punishment, but I can always turn it off.  Just as we can choose to read or not read and where and how to read.  </p>
<p>Thank you for your selections above, A.D..  I have been exploring their online iterations.  It&#8217;s a new year, after all, and a good time for reading new things.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 16:10:43 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Yes, the transformation of the op-ed page -- good point.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Yes, the transformation of the op-ed page &#8212; good point.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:51:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One might also point out the appearance of the op-ed page after 1955, replacing the monochromatic stable of columnists.  In 1977, you could read Paul Harvey, James J. Kilpatrick, William F. Buckley, William Rusher, George Will, Smith Hempstone, Emmett Tyrell, Joseph Sobran, Joseph Alsop, and Joseph Kraft, syndicated to your local paper.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One might also point out the appearance of the op-ed page after 1955, replacing the monochromatic stable of columnists.  In 1977, you could read Paul Harvey, James J. Kilpatrick, William F. Buckley, William Rusher, George Will, Smith Hempstone, Emmett Tyrell, Joseph Sobran, Joseph Alsop, and Joseph Kraft, syndicated to your local paper.</p>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2012/12/30/required-reading/comment-page-1/#comment-32280</link>
		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 15:46:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have to keep repeating myself here.  

Ross Douthat suggests his readers peruse &lt;i&gt;The Nation&lt;/i&gt; or the &lt;i&gt;The New Republic&lt;/i&gt; for an alternative perspective.  There is nothing wrong with alternative perspectives, but go for quality.  &lt;i&gt;The Nation&lt;/i&gt; has not manifested quality at any time since its purchase by Victor Navasky in 1977.  &lt;i&gt;The New Republic&lt;/i&gt; was, ca. 1981, among the most engaging of opinion magazines; now it is a cesspool of Ivy League snotnosery, with the humorless Mr. Wieseltier as den mother.  Admittedly, those tendencies have long been manifest at that publication, but they have now shoveled everything else out the door.  

I cannot understand your disposition toward &lt;i&gt;National Geographic&lt;/i&gt;.  Do you read things because they manifest alternative perspective or do you avoid them?

With regard to what was available 30 years ago, I think your assessment needs to be qualified.  There is masses of blog commentary available now and there was nothing of the sort to be seen as recently as 1995.  As for publications in print and their digital analogues, this is not so much the case.  The &lt;i&gt;Claremont Review&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;City Journal&lt;/i&gt; were founded after 1976, but the rest of the corps of starboard publications listed above are older (as are the unlisted titles).  &lt;i&gt;The American Prospect&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Slate&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Salon&lt;/i&gt; were founded after 1976, but not the rest of the portside.  &lt;i&gt;Slate&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Salon&lt;/i&gt; are purely digital.  Most of the Christian publications are newer, but I think only &lt;i&gt;Books &amp; Culture&lt;/i&gt; was founded after 1990.  You also have to recall publications which went under.  On the starboard side, that would be &lt;i&gt;The Public Interest&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Inquiry&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Encounter&lt;/i&gt;, and the series of house organs issued  by AEI over the years.  On the portside that would be &lt;i&gt;Saturday Review&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The New Leader&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Ramparts&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Partisan Review&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Working Papers&lt;/i&gt;, &amp;c.  The loss of &lt;i&gt;Saturday Review&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;The Public Interest&lt;/i&gt; were the most serious blows.  The loss of &lt;i&gt;U.S. News and World Report&lt;/i&gt; was a good deal more injurious than the expiration of &lt;i&gt;Newsweek&lt;/i&gt;, which had decayed into a farce.  

Stated another way, in 1977 you could have read &lt;i&gt;Human Events&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;National Review&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;Modern Age&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;The Public Interest&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;The American Spectator&lt;/i&gt;.  &lt;i&gt;Chronicles of Culture&lt;/i&gt; was just starting up.  Norman Podhoretz was steering &lt;i&gt;Commentary&lt;/i&gt; toward the right and Joseph Epstein was beginning to take &lt;i&gt;The American Scholar&lt;/i&gt; in that direction.  In a more popular vein, the editorial policy of both &lt;i&gt;National Geographic&lt;/i&gt; and &lt;i&gt;Reader&#039;s Digest&lt;/i&gt; was friendly. Paul Harvey and Avi Nelson were on the radio.   It simply is not true that Mr. Buckley&#039;s circle was the only game in town.  

There is more commentary, but there are fewer publications.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have to keep repeating myself here.  </p>
<p>Ross Douthat suggests his readers peruse <i>The Nation</i> or the <i>The New Republic</i> for an alternative perspective.  There is nothing wrong with alternative perspectives, but go for quality.  <i>The Nation</i> has not manifested quality at any time since its purchase by Victor Navasky in 1977.  <i>The New Republic</i> was, ca. 1981, among the most engaging of opinion magazines; now it is a cesspool of Ivy League snotnosery, with the humorless Mr. Wieseltier as den mother.  Admittedly, those tendencies have long been manifest at that publication, but they have now shoveled everything else out the door.  </p>
<p>I cannot understand your disposition toward <i>National Geographic</i>.  Do you read things because they manifest alternative perspective or do you avoid them?</p>
<p>With regard to what was available 30 years ago, I think your assessment needs to be qualified.  There is masses of blog commentary available now and there was nothing of the sort to be seen as recently as 1995.  As for publications in print and their digital analogues, this is not so much the case.  The <i>Claremont Review</i> and <i>City Journal</i> were founded after 1976, but the rest of the corps of starboard publications listed above are older (as are the unlisted titles).  <i>The American Prospect</i>, <i>Slate</i>, and <i>Salon</i> were founded after 1976, but not the rest of the portside.  <i>Slate</i> and <i>Salon</i> are purely digital.  Most of the Christian publications are newer, but I think only <i>Books &amp; Culture</i> was founded after 1990.  You also have to recall publications which went under.  On the starboard side, that would be <i>The Public Interest</i>, <i>Inquiry</i>, <i>Encounter</i>, and the series of house organs issued  by AEI over the years.  On the portside that would be <i>Saturday Review</i>, <i>The New Leader</i>, <i>Ramparts</i>, <i>Partisan Review</i>, <i>Working Papers</i>, &amp;c.  The loss of <i>Saturday Review</i> and <i>The Public Interest</i> were the most serious blows.  The loss of <i>U.S. News and World Report</i> was a good deal more injurious than the expiration of <i>Newsweek</i>, which had decayed into a farce.  </p>
<p>Stated another way, in 1977 you could have read <i>Human Events</i>, <i>National Review</i>, <i>Modern Age</i>, <i>The Public Interest</i>, and <i>The American Spectator</i>.  <i>Chronicles of Culture</i> was just starting up.  Norman Podhoretz was steering <i>Commentary</i> toward the right and Joseph Epstein was beginning to take <i>The American Scholar</i> in that direction.  In a more popular vein, the editorial policy of both <i>National Geographic</i> and <i>Reader&#8217;s Digest</i> was friendly. Paul Harvey and Avi Nelson were on the radio.   It simply is not true that Mr. Buckley&#8217;s circle was the only game in town.  </p>
<p>There is more commentary, but there are fewer publications.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 14:47:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[A.D., I disagree here: &quot;What you assuredly should not do is read something merely because it manifests a particular perspective in the realm of social thought.&quot;  That is exactly what I do want to do if I want to know about that particular perspective.  That is what Douthat is pitching to his N&lt;em&gt;ew York Times&lt;/em&gt; readership; go find out what the other guys are saying.  Most conservatives I have read commenting on Douthat assume he is speaking to liberals, not to them.  Conservative political thought might be clearer if it read more discriminately on this side of American politics and less so of the Left.  

I &#039;ll be picky in my response, because you offer so much.  I do read &lt;em&gt;New York Review of Books&lt;/em&gt;, though in a very scattered way.  By experience I have found too many books that sounded better in those reviews than they are in reading.  Is that what you meant?  The prevailing politics of the writers is always obvious.  

Reading by political persuasion was the original point and we do find that everywhere, even in the arts journals.  We have often subscribed to &lt;em&gt;National Geographic&lt;/em&gt; for the kids and often have dropped the subscription because the social an political point of view was obvious and exasperating.  

Sometimes I think it is a pity that &lt;em&gt;National Review &lt;/em&gt;is not what it was.  (Nearly the only voice on the Right.)  It &lt;em&gt;contained&lt;/em&gt; the conservative arguments.  Now there are so many other places to read varieties of conservative thought as there wasn&#039;t 30-40 years ago.  Conservatives argued then about who was a &quot;true conservative&quot;, as much as now, but the arguments were between the covers and therefore seemed less virulent.  I should go discuss this under the latest Peter Lawler post, but the problem of choosing a &quot;true conservative&quot; voice applies to this discussion, as well.   A good reminder in the Douthat piece, for me anyway, was the the Left has divergent voices and perspectives, too.  They are confused, too, as in embracing Warren Buffet for denouncing crony capitalism and other such lunacies.  ]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>A.D., I disagree here: &#8220;What you assuredly should not do is read something merely because it manifests a particular perspective in the realm of social thought.&#8221;  That is exactly what I do want to do if I want to know about that particular perspective.  That is what Douthat is pitching to his N<em>ew York Times</em> readership; go find out what the other guys are saying.  Most conservatives I have read commenting on Douthat assume he is speaking to liberals, not to them.  Conservative political thought might be clearer if it read more discriminately on this side of American politics and less so of the Left.  </p>
<p>I &#8216;ll be picky in my response, because you offer so much.  I do read <em>New York Review of Books</em>, though in a very scattered way.  By experience I have found too many books that sounded better in those reviews than they are in reading.  Is that what you meant?  The prevailing politics of the writers is always obvious.  </p>
<p>Reading by political persuasion was the original point and we do find that everywhere, even in the arts journals.  We have often subscribed to <em>National Geographic</em> for the kids and often have dropped the subscription because the social an political point of view was obvious and exasperating.  </p>
<p>Sometimes I think it is a pity that <em>National Review </em>is not what it was.  (Nearly the only voice on the Right.)  It <em>contained</em> the conservative arguments.  Now there are so many other places to read varieties of conservative thought as there wasn&#8217;t 30-40 years ago.  Conservatives argued then about who was a &#8220;true conservative&#8221;, as much as now, but the arguments were between the covers and therefore seemed less virulent.  I should go discuss this under the latest Peter Lawler post, but the problem of choosing a &#8220;true conservative&#8221; voice applies to this discussion, as well.   A good reminder in the Douthat piece, for me anyway, was the the Left has divergent voices and perspectives, too.  They are confused, too, as in embracing Warren Buffet for denouncing crony capitalism and other such lunacies.  </p>
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		<title>By: KNZ</title>
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		<dc:creator>KNZ</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Jan 2013 08:50:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[John Smith: eat the rich was by motorhead surely?]]></description>
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		<title>By: paul seaton</title>
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		<dc:creator>paul seaton</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 22:35:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Art Deco, very impressive.

This is one topic that Dan Mahoney should weigh in on!   (For those of you who do not not know Daniel J. Mahoney, suffice it to say he is the kanon kai metron, the living eidos,  of the bibliophile.)]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Art Deco, very impressive.</p>
<p>This is one topic that Dan Mahoney should weigh in on!   (For those of you who do not not know Daniel J. Mahoney, suffice it to say he is the kanon kai metron, the living eidos,  of the bibliophile.)</p>
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		<title>By: Art Deco</title>
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		<dc:creator>Art Deco</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 31 Dec 2012 18:06:33 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[One thing you might do for self education is to look at publications which are pitched to schoolteachers but not fixed on lesson planning.  &lt;i&gt;Teaching History&lt;/i&gt;, &lt;i&gt;History Today&lt;/i&gt;, and &lt;i&gt;Geography&lt;/i&gt; are such publications.  (They are all British, ironically).  There is also a philosophy journal for laymen called &lt;i&gt;Think&lt;/i&gt;.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>One thing you might do for self education is to look at publications which are pitched to schoolteachers but not fixed on lesson planning.  <i>Teaching History</i>, <i>History Today</i>, and <i>Geography</i> are such publications.  (They are all British, ironically).  There is also a philosophy journal for laymen called <i>Think</i>.</p>
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