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	<title>Comments on: Reason, Revelation, and Ralphism</title>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2013/01/16/reason-revelation-and-ralphism/comment-page-1/#comment-32648</link>
		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 15:36:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[good points.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>good points.</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2013/01/16/reason-revelation-and-ralphism/comment-page-1/#comment-32639</link>
		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 17 Jan 2013 05:04:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I don&#039;t understand Susan Shell&#039;s point on &quot;whether science (or philosophy) in the original sense = knowledge of necessity = is possible.&quot;

What does that mean? I checked out the full article and still couldn&#039;t figure out what she&#039;s saying. Is she talking about whether the NATURAL or NORMATIVE necessity in animals and human beings? Or just &quot;necessity&quot; in general?Necessity has made quite a comeback in mainstream philosophy. With regard to necessity in general, the logical positivists who ignored or cut necessity out of symbolic logic were pretty much completely refuted by Saul Kripke&#039;s &quot;Naming and Necessity.&quot; With regard to natural necessity there have been some powerful arguments in recent Virtue Ethics books that seem to prove that too- especially Philippa Foot&#039;s &quot;Natural Goodness.&quot;

What either of those types of necessity have to do with the question of Faith and Reason as Shell claims, I don&#039;t know. Maybe a Christian synthesis of faith and reason requires natural necessity, in its discussion of our souls?

Another thing I don&#039;t get is Shell&#039;s hang up with Ralph&#039;s use of &quot;analogy&quot; as a description. She thinks Ralph is bringing that in from Aristotle (Categories?), but I&#039;d be willing to bet that Ralph is using &quot;analogy&quot; in a Thomistic sense, and that&#039;s where Shells&#039; criticism should have begun if there were a problem. As the other Ralph (McInerny) argued in &quot;Aquinas and Analogy,&quot; analogy is absolutely key to understanding  metaphysics, the relationship of God to man, and the connections we draw between things using our common sense all the time. Though a Shell might not realize it, Straussians like herself explore analogies to do philosophy alot]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I don&#8217;t understand Susan Shell&#8217;s point on &#8220;whether science (or philosophy) in the original sense = knowledge of necessity = is possible.&#8221;</p>
<p>What does that mean? I checked out the full article and still couldn&#8217;t figure out what she&#8217;s saying. Is she talking about whether the NATURAL or NORMATIVE necessity in animals and human beings? Or just &#8220;necessity&#8221; in general?Necessity has made quite a comeback in mainstream philosophy. With regard to necessity in general, the logical positivists who ignored or cut necessity out of symbolic logic were pretty much completely refuted by Saul Kripke&#8217;s &#8220;Naming and Necessity.&#8221; With regard to natural necessity there have been some powerful arguments in recent Virtue Ethics books that seem to prove that too- especially Philippa Foot&#8217;s &#8220;Natural Goodness.&#8221;</p>
<p>What either of those types of necessity have to do with the question of Faith and Reason as Shell claims, I don&#8217;t know. Maybe a Christian synthesis of faith and reason requires natural necessity, in its discussion of our souls?</p>
<p>Another thing I don&#8217;t get is Shell&#8217;s hang up with Ralph&#8217;s use of &#8220;analogy&#8221; as a description. She thinks Ralph is bringing that in from Aristotle (Categories?), but I&#8217;d be willing to bet that Ralph is using &#8220;analogy&#8221; in a Thomistic sense, and that&#8217;s where Shells&#8217; criticism should have begun if there were a problem. As the other Ralph (McInerny) argued in &#8220;Aquinas and Analogy,&#8221; analogy is absolutely key to understanding  metaphysics, the relationship of God to man, and the connections we draw between things using our common sense all the time. Though a Shell might not realize it, Straussians like herself explore analogies to do philosophy alot</p>
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		<title>By: Reason, Revelation, and Ralphism &#124; CATHOLIC FEAST</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2013/01/16/reason-revelation-and-ralphism/comment-page-1/#comment-32620</link>
		<dc:creator>Reason, Revelation, and Ralphism &#124; CATHOLIC FEAST</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 16 Jan 2013 20:06:18 +0000</pubDate>
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