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		<title>By: MONDAY GOD &#38; CAESAR EXTRA &#124; Big Pulpit</title>
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		<dc:creator>MONDAY GOD &#38; CAESAR EXTRA &#124; Big Pulpit</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 23 Jan 2013 14:54:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Quick Comments on the President and Big Business &#8211; Peter Lawler, PoMoCon [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:58:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Everything in the last two comments is said well.  So how to campaign against crony capitalism (and libertarian complacent indifferent based on FAUX meritocracy)?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Everything in the last two comments is said well.  So how to campaign against crony capitalism (and libertarian complacent indifferent based on FAUX meritocracy)?</p>
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		<title>By: djf</title>
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		<dc:creator>djf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:56:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof Lawler,

There are few things less likely than boards of directors of banks and large corporations cutting their top execs&#039; salaries without some sort of government compulsion (actual or threatened).  The &quot;independent&quot; directors are, for the most part, execs at other companies who don&#039;t want their own salaries cut.  Executive compensation is set on the advice of consultants who estimate a &quot;fair market&quot; rate of compensation based on what executives in comparable positions at comparable firms are paid.  Nor would I count on board members who are retired politicians, government officials and the like to bite the hands that fed them by putting them on the board (quite a healthy paycheck for showing up at a one or two expense-paid meetings a year - Gerald Ford built himself a fortune after he left the White House just by sitting on boards).

Jack Lew, as much as I despise him, is not a criminal just because he had a gig at Citibank.  Apparently, he made no financial decisions of any consequence; he was just a &quot;manager,&quot; and, from what I&#039;ve read, was not paid much compared with what actual senior traders make.  Jon Corzine is a different story, of course.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Lawler,</p>
<p>There are few things less likely than boards of directors of banks and large corporations cutting their top execs&#8217; salaries without some sort of government compulsion (actual or threatened).  The &#8220;independent&#8221; directors are, for the most part, execs at other companies who don&#8217;t want their own salaries cut.  Executive compensation is set on the advice of consultants who estimate a &#8220;fair market&#8221; rate of compensation based on what executives in comparable positions at comparable firms are paid.  Nor would I count on board members who are retired politicians, government officials and the like to bite the hands that fed them by putting them on the board (quite a healthy paycheck for showing up at a one or two expense-paid meetings a year &#8211; Gerald Ford built himself a fortune after he left the White House just by sitting on boards).</p>
<p>Jack Lew, as much as I despise him, is not a criminal just because he had a gig at Citibank.  Apparently, he made no financial decisions of any consequence; he was just a &#8220;manager,&#8221; and, from what I&#8217;ve read, was not paid much compared with what actual senior traders make.  Jon Corzine is a different story, of course.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 17:21:48 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Citi received tens of billions in direct bailouts and hundreds of billions of guarantees from the government.  Their decision to pay political players millions of dollars to serve as figurehead CEOs is eminently rational, and a great deal for them.  Of course &quot;the bleepin&#039; board of directors&quot; isn&#039;t going to do anything about such sensible hires.  This is the sort of &quot;crony capitalism&quot; against which the GOP should stake its future.  

If the likes of Jack Lew and Jon Corzine were Republicans, they&#039;d be in prison and be household names.  But whining about the injustice of the jackals and vipers in the MSM won&#039;t fix the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Citi received tens of billions in direct bailouts and hundreds of billions of guarantees from the government.  Their decision to pay political players millions of dollars to serve as figurehead CEOs is eminently rational, and a great deal for them.  Of course &#8220;the bleepin&#8217; board of directors&#8221; isn&#8217;t going to do anything about such sensible hires.  This is the sort of &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221; against which the GOP should stake its future.  </p>
<p>If the likes of Jack Lew and Jon Corzine were Republicans, they&#8217;d be in prison and be household names.  But whining about the injustice of the jackals and vipers in the MSM won&#8217;t fix the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 16:39:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Of course govt. shouldn&#039;t force down their salaries--the bleepin&#039; board of directors or whatever should.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Of course govt. shouldn&#8217;t force down their salaries&#8211;the bleepin&#8217; board of directors or whatever should.</p>
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		<title>By: djf</title>
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		<dc:creator>djf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 15:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Prof Lawler, I agree that the CEOs and other high-level corporate bureaucrats are overpaid (Bob Rubin and, later, Jack Lew at Citibank come to mind), but would having the government force down their salaries result in any real progress on solving the country&#039;s real problems?  I doubt it.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Prof Lawler, I agree that the CEOs and other high-level corporate bureaucrats are overpaid (Bob Rubin and, later, Jack Lew at Citibank come to mind), but would having the government force down their salaries result in any real progress on solving the country&#8217;s real problems?  I doubt it.</p>
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		<title>By: peter lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>peter lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 03:36:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[djf--of course, I agree.  That means, of course, that those hugely overpaid CEOs aren&#039;t doing much real work or real good.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>djf&#8211;of course, I agree.  That means, of course, that those hugely overpaid CEOs aren&#8217;t doing much real work or real good.</p>
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		<title>By: Norm</title>
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		<dc:creator>Norm</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 21 Jan 2013 01:11:04 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[America is too oligarchic?  Really, now?

Last I checked, Plato divided the democratic regime into three parts:  1) drones (populist spendthrifts and demagogues who flatter the desires of the demos - with socialism?); 2) &quot;oligarchs&quot; (orderly natures skilled at money-making - aka &quot;the drones&#039; pasture&quot;); and 3) the multitude.

To me, our &quot;oligarchs&quot; look an awful lot like &quot;men whose property is taken away are 
compelled to defend themselves by speaking before the people and by doing whatever they can.&quot;

If so, America rests somewhere between democracy and tyranny; not oligarchy and democracy.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>America is too oligarchic?  Really, now?</p>
<p>Last I checked, Plato divided the democratic regime into three parts:  1) drones (populist spendthrifts and demagogues who flatter the desires of the demos &#8211; with socialism?); 2) &#8220;oligarchs&#8221; (orderly natures skilled at money-making &#8211; aka &#8220;the drones&#8217; pasture&#8221;); and 3) the multitude.</p>
<p>To me, our &#8220;oligarchs&#8221; look an awful lot like &#8220;men whose property is taken away are<br />
compelled to defend themselves by speaking before the people and by doing whatever they can.&#8221;</p>
<p>If so, America rests somewhere between democracy and tyranny; not oligarchy and democracy.</p>
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		<title>By: djf</title>
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		<dc:creator>djf</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 22:31:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Many of the rich (particularly the banks and the management of corporations that benefit from government policy like GE) believe in Obama&#039;s Mussolini-like version of capitalism because it has delivered the goods TO THEM.  It is not delivering the goods to most middle-income Americans (aside from public employees).  And, from what I have read, there is not much entrepreneurial activity or business expansion going on in this country (aside from &quot;green investments&quot; that receive government subsidies and oil/gas exploration that Obama has not yet had the &quot;flexibility&quot; to snuff out).

On the bright side, I am sure that this administration is doing wonders for corporate &quot;diversity&quot; consultants, as well as lawyers and accountants who help corporations deal with ACA and Dodd-Frank.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Many of the rich (particularly the banks and the management of corporations that benefit from government policy like GE) believe in Obama&#8217;s Mussolini-like version of capitalism because it has delivered the goods TO THEM.  It is not delivering the goods to most middle-income Americans (aside from public employees).  And, from what I have read, there is not much entrepreneurial activity or business expansion going on in this country (aside from &#8220;green investments&#8221; that receive government subsidies and oil/gas exploration that Obama has not yet had the &#8220;flexibility&#8221; to snuff out).</p>
<p>On the bright side, I am sure that this administration is doing wonders for corporate &#8220;diversity&#8221; consultants, as well as lawyers and accountants who help corporations deal with ACA and Dodd-Frank.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 20 Jan 2013 20:26:00 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Hmm.  My impression has been that the stock market rise is pretty unambiguously due to currency devaluation.  I know that making this argument is tough without sounding like sour grapes, but we can still try to be honest about these things.

&quot;What do Republicans do when it turns out that Obama’s “socialism” is a kind of government that the rich and sophisticated and especially the really rich and sophisticated can believe in&quot;
Um, how about get out of the way and let the &quot;crony capitalism&quot; argument of the Tea Party be the party message?  Also, hopefully find party leaders who aren&#039;t a) massively wealthy, b) only marginally articulate, c) hopelessly co-opted by crony capitalist/socialistic causes...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Hmm.  My impression has been that the stock market rise is pretty unambiguously due to currency devaluation.  I know that making this argument is tough without sounding like sour grapes, but we can still try to be honest about these things.</p>
<p>&#8220;What do Republicans do when it turns out that Obama’s “socialism” is a kind of government that the rich and sophisticated and especially the really rich and sophisticated can believe in&#8221;<br />
Um, how about get out of the way and let the &#8220;crony capitalism&#8221; argument of the Tea Party be the party message?  Also, hopefully find party leaders who aren&#8217;t a) massively wealthy, b) only marginally articulate, c) hopelessly co-opted by crony capitalist/socialistic causes&#8230;</p>
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