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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2013/01/24/the-old-guy-dad-in-todays-movies/comment-page-1/#comment-32959</link>
		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 26 Jan 2013 02:07:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, 

&quot;Al Bundy and his contemporary equivalents can easily afford a three-bedroom house in almost all of the country. You can buy one in perfectly fine shape for less than $70K where I live.&quot;

In Chicago in what appears to be a fairly safe neighborhood?  Actually, looking it up, Archer Heights looks affordable so it appears you are right.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, </p>
<p>&#8220;Al Bundy and his contemporary equivalents can easily afford a three-bedroom house in almost all of the country. You can buy one in perfectly fine shape for less than $70K where I live.&#8221;</p>
<p>In Chicago in what appears to be a fairly safe neighborhood?  Actually, looking it up, Archer Heights looks affordable so it appears you are right.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:49:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudo, Very nice.  The kids are dealing with &quot;the hole in the soul&quot; that came from the one major deficiency in the way they raised.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudo, Very nice.  The kids are dealing with &#8220;the hole in the soul&#8221; that came from the one major deficiency in the way they raised.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:26:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Concerning the absence of religion in the lives of the Braverman&#039;s I have given credit to the writers as noting the absence in the writing as much as they have.

The first such mention of it was last season when Julia, the younger sister, talking to the prospective mother of their adopted child said in a discussion on the soon to be mother&#039;s catholic faith that the Braverman&#039;s weren&#039;t brought up in a religion.

This season began taking on the topic of religion straight on with Jasmine&#039;s mom being the catalyst for the question of how Crosby and His wife were going to deal with the topic of faith with their son. And that episode I thought gave a creditable account of how the fact that the Braverman&#039;s parent&#039;s neglected to bring them up in a faith was an authentic absence in their upbringing. I recall Crosby even making a complaint to the effect &quot;we were all brought up in a spiritual void.&quot;

I am hopeful that this is going to be a theme that will re-occur over the next couple of seasons as it seems to pop up in interesting ways in later episodes this season. For instance in the same episode dealing with whether the  Braverman children should be brought up believing in Santa, we see Adam praying to God to &quot;not take his wife&quot; who is fighting cancer.  And, yes, there is something absurd in a family that is passionate about Santa Claus but agnostic on matters of faith.

In an odd way the show seems to be giving religion its due respect but from the point of view of a family that is coming to an awareness of it very late. Perhaps in some ways it&#039;s the best one could expect from a show about a family of nones.

Like I said, I have high hopes that the writers will continue to take on the topic with the kind of maturity that I&#039;ve recognized in their writing so far.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Concerning the absence of religion in the lives of the Braverman&#8217;s I have given credit to the writers as noting the absence in the writing as much as they have.</p>
<p>The first such mention of it was last season when Julia, the younger sister, talking to the prospective mother of their adopted child said in a discussion on the soon to be mother&#8217;s catholic faith that the Braverman&#8217;s weren&#8217;t brought up in a religion.</p>
<p>This season began taking on the topic of religion straight on with Jasmine&#8217;s mom being the catalyst for the question of how Crosby and His wife were going to deal with the topic of faith with their son. And that episode I thought gave a creditable account of how the fact that the Braverman&#8217;s parent&#8217;s neglected to bring them up in a faith was an authentic absence in their upbringing. I recall Crosby even making a complaint to the effect &#8220;we were all brought up in a spiritual void.&#8221;</p>
<p>I am hopeful that this is going to be a theme that will re-occur over the next couple of seasons as it seems to pop up in interesting ways in later episodes this season. For instance in the same episode dealing with whether the  Braverman children should be brought up believing in Santa, we see Adam praying to God to &#8220;not take his wife&#8221; who is fighting cancer.  And, yes, there is something absurd in a family that is passionate about Santa Claus but agnostic on matters of faith.</p>
<p>In an odd way the show seems to be giving religion its due respect but from the point of view of a family that is coming to an awareness of it very late. Perhaps in some ways it&#8217;s the best one could expect from a show about a family of nones.</p>
<p>Like I said, I have high hopes that the writers will continue to take on the topic with the kind of maturity that I&#8217;ve recognized in their writing so far.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 16:00:06 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Brian, you&#039;re right on no. 1.  That&#039;s why the whole show was so crowded.  Like FNL, it&#039;s critically liked but not a popular show.

2. I think that is a shortcoming.  Jasmine&#039;s mom could easily be a better character, as well.  Jasmine is very classy, though.

3.  Same here on Floyd County Georgia.  There are people who have worked for a long time comfortable in such places.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Brian, you&#8217;re right on no. 1.  That&#8217;s why the whole show was so crowded.  Like FNL, it&#8217;s critically liked but not a popular show.</p>
<p>2. I think that is a shortcoming.  Jasmine&#8217;s mom could easily be a better character, as well.  Jasmine is very classy, though.</p>
<p>3.  Same here on Floyd County Georgia.  There are people who have worked for a long time comfortable in such places.</p>
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		<title>By: Brian</title>
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		<dc:creator>Brian</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 15:28:14 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[1. In answer to the complaint above about the last episode of Parenthood &amp; the judge&#039;s quarters, it seems clear to me that they were writing a final scene for the whole series, in the likely chance it&#039;s not renewed for next season.

2. The absence of religion (save in the title song, and in Jasmine&#039;s mother) in the show is clearly its biggest shortcoming.  Far more so than its overly crowded melodrama--it IS a soap opera, after all!

3. Al Bundy and his contemporary equivalents can easily afford a three-bedroom house in almost all of the country.  You can buy one in perfectly fine shape for less than $70K where I live.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>1. In answer to the complaint above about the last episode of Parenthood &amp; the judge&#8217;s quarters, it seems clear to me that they were writing a final scene for the whole series, in the likely chance it&#8217;s not renewed for next season.</p>
<p>2. The absence of religion (save in the title song, and in Jasmine&#8217;s mother) in the show is clearly its biggest shortcoming.  Far more so than its overly crowded melodrama&#8211;it IS a soap opera, after all!</p>
<p>3. Al Bundy and his contemporary equivalents can easily afford a three-bedroom house in almost all of the country.  You can buy one in perfectly fine shape for less than $70K where I live.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:58:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Tim, It&#039;s true that I added &quot;dumb&quot; due to my own self-esteem issues.  Thanks for the smart and appreciative comment.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Tim, It&#8217;s true that I added &#8220;dumb&#8221; due to my own self-esteem issues.  Thanks for the smart and appreciative comment.</p>
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		<title>By: Timothy Anderson</title>
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		<dc:creator>Timothy Anderson</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 14:54:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I didn&#039;t actually say your comments about television were &quot;dumb.&quot;  I really do like them better, because they actually say more about our culture than much of what is going on with either party.  The politicians are not the leaders, but reflect and often follow the culture.  It seems more significant to me to discuss the popular culture than the parties, since a large number of voters can tell you which father figure they like on television and probably why, but almost nothing about either party or any particular politician.  The parties are becoming irrelevant to many people I run into from day to day, but a television reference can often work pretty well to get someone to converse about what matters to them.  When the Republicans or Democrats become leaders then such conversations will be of more interest.  
I agree about Les Miserables, it was a bit like being pummeled into submission by the pace and the music.  I haven&#039;t, as a result, been to a movie since, but will check out those you mention.  Congrats on your call about Girls, the sad thing is that it isn&#039;t just relationships where that happens, people shift all sorts of relationships both personal and communal with the same shallow nihilism every day.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I didn&#8217;t actually say your comments about television were &#8220;dumb.&#8221;  I really do like them better, because they actually say more about our culture than much of what is going on with either party.  The politicians are not the leaders, but reflect and often follow the culture.  It seems more significant to me to discuss the popular culture than the parties, since a large number of voters can tell you which father figure they like on television and probably why, but almost nothing about either party or any particular politician.  The parties are becoming irrelevant to many people I run into from day to day, but a television reference can often work pretty well to get someone to converse about what matters to them.  When the Republicans or Democrats become leaders then such conversations will be of more interest.<br />
I agree about Les Miserables, it was a bit like being pummeled into submission by the pace and the music.  I haven&#8217;t, as a result, been to a movie since, but will check out those you mention.  Congrats on your call about Girls, the sad thing is that it isn&#8217;t just relationships where that happens, people shift all sorts of relationships both personal and communal with the same shallow nihilism every day.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 02:04:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Too bad it would have ruined the comedy dynamics of the show to have Al show a genuine interest in his kids.  The show is partly supposed to make fun of a mismatched (or maybe too well matched) nuclear family where everybody is all about themselves.  Ironically it shows a lot of paternal love from today&#039;s perspective.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Too bad it would have ruined the comedy dynamics of the show to have Al show a genuine interest in his kids.  The show is partly supposed to make fun of a mismatched (or maybe too well matched) nuclear family where everybody is all about themselves.  Ironically it shows a lot of paternal love from today&#8217;s perspective.</p>
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		<title>By: Peter Lawler</title>
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		<dc:creator>Peter Lawler</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:47:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[It may be surprising that I haven&#039;t given MWC the thought it deserves.  But one tragedy is that Bud is physically incapable of doing what Al did well, and Al is mentally incapable of....  So the contempt they have for each other gets in the way of even minimalist father/son connections.  Al would have enjoyed going to Bud&#039;s games.  Pseudo, at this point we just don&#039;t disagree.  Max, the autistic guy, is quite a realistic and manly-in-his-own-way character, and I especially appreciate the careful presentation of his parents mostly successful and loving attempts to get how he thinks.  His father is as connected with him as much (but not unrealistically more) as a father can be with an autistic son.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>It may be surprising that I haven&#8217;t given MWC the thought it deserves.  But one tragedy is that Bud is physically incapable of doing what Al did well, and Al is mentally incapable of&#8230;.  So the contempt they have for each other gets in the way of even minimalist father/son connections.  Al would have enjoyed going to Bud&#8217;s games.  Pseudo, at this point we just don&#8217;t disagree.  Max, the autistic guy, is quite a realistic and manly-in-his-own-way character, and I especially appreciate the careful presentation of his parents mostly successful and loving attempts to get how he thinks.  His father is as connected with him as much (but not unrealistically more) as a father can be with an autistic son.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 25 Jan 2013 01:16:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Agreed on the excessive issues and plotlines criticism. And I suppose I see the cloying/ridiculous moments as expected hazard that goes with trying to tell a sympathetic story about family without any winking involved. 

Having said that, last weeks episode, One step forward two steps back, I thought was one of the best treatments on tv about the political challenges of parents staying on the same page when things get difficult. So like anything else, its strong moments justify in my mind the weaker ones. In light of the fact that most writers and producers aren&#039;t really even trying I suppose I&#039;m more forgiving toward those writers/producers who are.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Agreed on the excessive issues and plotlines criticism. And I suppose I see the cloying/ridiculous moments as expected hazard that goes with trying to tell a sympathetic story about family without any winking involved. </p>
<p>Having said that, last weeks episode, One step forward two steps back, I thought was one of the best treatments on tv about the political challenges of parents staying on the same page when things get difficult. So like anything else, its strong moments justify in my mind the weaker ones. In light of the fact that most writers and producers aren&#8217;t really even trying I suppose I&#8217;m more forgiving toward those writers/producers who are.</p>
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