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	<title>Comments on: Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #76:  Rap and the Summer of &#8217;89</title>
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		<title>By: ginger health</title>
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		<dc:creator>ginger health</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 27 Mar 2013 16:29:49 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Ginger has twelve types of anti-oxidants and is an 
excellent antiseptic and body cleansing herb with active ingredients that offers lymph-cleansing and stimulates the kidneys to 
increase kidney filtration. Pain Relief: not only can ginger help relieve headaches, but it can also help relieve inflammation which is the cause of 
the pain associated with rheumatoid arthritis. In The Complete Book of Juicing, 
Michael Murray, N.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Ginger has twelve types of anti-oxidants and is an<br />
excellent antiseptic and body cleansing herb with active ingredients that offers lymph-cleansing and stimulates the kidneys to<br />
increase kidney filtration. Pain Relief: not only can ginger help relieve headaches, but it can also help relieve inflammation which is the cause of<br />
the pain associated with rheumatoid arthritis. In The Complete Book of Juicing,<br />
Michael Murray, N.</p>
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		<title>By: Shay Riley: OF COURSE Hip Hop Has Been Bad for Black America - CATHOLIC FEAST - Sync your Soul</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay Riley: OF COURSE Hip Hop Has Been Bad for Black America - CATHOLIC FEAST - Sync your Soul</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 21:09:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] on rap, I’ve tried be somewhat complimentary before laying out the critiques, fair and balanced, appreciative of a few of the classics, [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] on rap, I’ve tried be somewhat complimentary before laying out the critiques, fair and balanced, appreciative of a few of the classics, [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Shay Riley: OF COURSE Hip Hop Has Been Bad for Black America &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Shay Riley: OF COURSE Hip Hop Has Been Bad for Black America &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 25 Mar 2013 20:59:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] rap, I&#8217;ve tried be somewhat complimentary before laying out the critiques, fair and balanced, appreciative of a few of the classics, [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #78: Martha Bayles and I on Rap, Part 1 &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #78: Martha Bayles and I on Rap, Part 1 &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Mar 2013 16:22:03 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] were in place by that point. That is, as we saw in the previous post, critics admit that rap’s “golden age” was over by then, and what remained ahead were developments of refinement, diversification, or [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] were in place by that point. That is, as we saw in the previous post, critics admit that rap’s “golden age” was over by then, and what remained ahead were developments of refinement, diversification, or [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #77: Is Conor Friedersdorf Right That We Need More Conservative Rap Critics? &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl&#8217;s Rock Songbook #77: Is Conor Friedersdorf Right That We Need More Conservative Rap Critics? &#187; Postmodern Conservative &#124; A First Things Blog</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:34:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] this post is a continuation of some observations about rap, but also, about the paradoxes of conservative pop-culture [...]]]></description>
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		<title>By: DJ Genius &#8211; No Days Off (2013)</title>
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		<dc:creator>DJ Genius &#8211; No Days Off (2013)</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 22:21:02 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[[...] Carl&#039;s Rock Songbook #76: Rap and the Summer of &#039;89 The base music of rap, hip-hop, shares quite a bit with disco, indeed grew directly out of it, and the identity/rebel/heroism focus of rap is a very specific one—rock rages in a broadly indistinct or middle-class mode, often against modernity, but rap &#8230; www.firstthings.com [...]]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Carl&#039;s Rock Songbook #76: Rap and the Summer of &#039;89 The base music of rap, hip-hop, shares quite a bit with disco, indeed grew directly out of it, and the identity/rebel/heroism focus of rap is a very specific one—rock rages in a broadly indistinct or middle-class mode, often against modernity, but rap &#8230; <a href="http://www.firstthings.com" rel="nofollow">http://www.firstthings.com</a> [...]</p>
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		<title>By: CJ Wolfe</title>
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		<dc:creator>CJ Wolfe</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 21 Feb 2013 21:24:16 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[By the way, have you seen this blog post about 70s music and the writer&#039;s  &quot;conservatives aesthetic&quot; with regard to rock, Carl? http://www.intercollegiatereview.com/index.php/2013/02/21/countercultural-conservatism/

I like what Danielle Charette has to say here... I also like her taste in music!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>By the way, have you seen this blog post about 70s music and the writer&#8217;s  &#8220;conservatives aesthetic&#8221; with regard to rock, Carl? <a href="http://www.intercollegiatereview.com/index.php/2013/02/21/countercultural-conservatism/" rel="nofollow">http://www.intercollegiatereview.com/index.php/2013/02/21/countercultural-conservatism/</a></p>
<p>I like what Danielle Charette has to say here&#8230; I also like her taste in music!</p>
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		<title>By: Carl Eric Scott</title>
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		<dc:creator>Carl Eric Scott</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:58:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[DJ Brian, thanks for the links!  Super busy today, but that Jurassic 5 does sound quite good...gotta listen to it on some real speakers, though.  John&#039;s and CJ&#039;s knowledge is also impressive...  

John, to speak of at least something I know, the thing about Public Enemy&#039;s Fear of A Black Planet is that it was one of those albums everyone was salivating for, thus sold millions, but...admit it...it just wasn&#039;t that good.  

As for the idea that what explains gangsta rap is &quot;Much money was to be made by selling white audiences a cartoon version of their own racism,&quot; well, there&#039;s a good deal of truth to that, but not enough to avoid the really sad truth that &quot;Much money was to be made by selling black audiences a cartoon version of their own &lt;i&gt;self-hatred&lt;/i&gt;.&quot; 

And some self-hatred is &lt;i&gt;pre-emptive meeting of others&#039; lowest expectations&lt;/i&gt;.  Or to get still more twisted and complex, as Shelby Steele&#039;s theory of black identity might put it, such &quot;self-hatred&quot; might be the strategic adoption of a certain black identity mask, a criminal version of what he calls the &quot;challenger&quot; mask, in such a thorough way that the mask takes over--the gangsta image one wanted to manipulate others with winds up eating its way into the real you.   

In any case, IMO the mainstreaming among blacks of N-word use for self-referential purposes is the spiritual key, the word of words, to the disaster that gangsta rap became for blacks.  More on such theories in another post, when I get into Martha Bayles&#039; take, but gotta run...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>DJ Brian, thanks for the links!  Super busy today, but that Jurassic 5 does sound quite good&#8230;gotta listen to it on some real speakers, though.  John&#8217;s and CJ&#8217;s knowledge is also impressive&#8230;  </p>
<p>John, to speak of at least something I know, the thing about Public Enemy&#8217;s Fear of A Black Planet is that it was one of those albums everyone was salivating for, thus sold millions, but&#8230;admit it&#8230;it just wasn&#8217;t that good.  </p>
<p>As for the idea that what explains gangsta rap is &#8220;Much money was to be made by selling white audiences a cartoon version of their own racism,&#8221; well, there&#8217;s a good deal of truth to that, but not enough to avoid the really sad truth that &#8220;Much money was to be made by selling black audiences a cartoon version of their own <i>self-hatred</i>.&#8221; </p>
<p>And some self-hatred is <i>pre-emptive meeting of others&#8217; lowest expectations</i>.  Or to get still more twisted and complex, as Shelby Steele&#8217;s theory of black identity might put it, such &#8220;self-hatred&#8221; might be the strategic adoption of a certain black identity mask, a criminal version of what he calls the &#8220;challenger&#8221; mask, in such a thorough way that the mask takes over&#8211;the gangsta image one wanted to manipulate others with winds up eating its way into the real you.   </p>
<p>In any case, IMO the mainstreaming among blacks of N-word use for self-referential purposes is the spiritual key, the word of words, to the disaster that gangsta rap became for blacks.  More on such theories in another post, when I get into Martha Bayles&#8217; take, but gotta run&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 20:05:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a theory that Rap &quot;music&quot; is what Uncle Screwtape was portentiously referring to when he notes at the end of his Letter #22 that Hell has their best people working on displacing music with pure noise.

Here is the prescient passage:

&quot;Music and silence—how I detest them both! How thankful we should be that ever since our Father entered Hell—though longer ago than humans, reckoning in light years, could express—no square inch of infernal space and no moment of infernal time has been surrendered to either of those abominable forces, but all has been occupied by Noise—Noise, the grand dynamism, the audible expression of all that is exultant, ruthless, and virile—Noise which alone defends us from silly qualms, despairing scruples, and impossible desires. We will make the whole universe a noise in the end. We have already made great strides in this direction as regards the Earth. The melodies and silences of Heaven will be shouted down in the end. But I admit we are not yet loud enough, or anything like it. Research is in progress.&quot;

Sounds like Rap to me ...]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a theory that Rap &#8220;music&#8221; is what Uncle Screwtape was portentiously referring to when he notes at the end of his Letter #22 that Hell has their best people working on displacing music with pure noise.</p>
<p>Here is the prescient passage:</p>
<p>&#8220;Music and silence—how I detest them both! How thankful we should be that ever since our Father entered Hell—though longer ago than humans, reckoning in light years, could express—no square inch of infernal space and no moment of infernal time has been surrendered to either of those abominable forces, but all has been occupied by Noise—Noise, the grand dynamism, the audible expression of all that is exultant, ruthless, and virile—Noise which alone defends us from silly qualms, despairing scruples, and impossible desires. We will make the whole universe a noise in the end. We have already made great strides in this direction as regards the Earth. The melodies and silences of Heaven will be shouted down in the end. But I admit we are not yet loud enough, or anything like it. Research is in progress.&#8221;</p>
<p>Sounds like Rap to me &#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 19 Feb 2013 18:35:39 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I do wonder to what extent discussion of rap is influenced by whether we experience it as phenomenon of the Top 40 or whether we follow the work of particular artists in greater depth.  

My experience of B.I.G. is primarily though Top 40 hits like Hypnotize where he creates a loathsome power fantasy in which the character he plays lacks even the sympathetic qualities of anti-heroes like Tony Montana. My take on B.I.G. was pretty hostile.   

But I don&#039;t think my I was seeing what there was in B.I.G.&#039;s work that has extended his influence years after his death.  So I figure there is more to his rapping that didn&#039;t get radio play on the pop music stations.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I do wonder to what extent discussion of rap is influenced by whether we experience it as phenomenon of the Top 40 or whether we follow the work of particular artists in greater depth.  </p>
<p>My experience of B.I.G. is primarily though Top 40 hits like Hypnotize where he creates a loathsome power fantasy in which the character he plays lacks even the sympathetic qualities of anti-heroes like Tony Montana. My take on B.I.G. was pretty hostile.   </p>
<p>But I don&#8217;t think my I was seeing what there was in B.I.G.&#8217;s work that has extended his influence years after his death.  So I figure there is more to his rapping that didn&#8217;t get radio play on the pop music stations.</p>
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