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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 23 Feb 2013 22:48:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[That&#039;s what Ted Cruz was talking about the other night, that people would like to succeed in America and that America once was a place where anyone could succeed.  If Republicans only talk to and about people who have achieved success, then they lose.  

How about an ancillary message that if you make it in America, don&#039;t have to kill your unborn kids.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>That&#8217;s what Ted Cruz was talking about the other night, that people would like to succeed in America and that America once was a place where anyone could succeed.  If Republicans only talk to and about people who have achieved success, then they lose.  </p>
<p>How about an ancillary message that if you make it in America, don&#8217;t have to kill your unborn kids.</p>
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		<title>By: Pete Spiliakos</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pete Spiliakos</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 20:10:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Pseudoplotinus, if you look at the full exit poll results, Obama also won among voters who prioritized unemployment, the housing market, health care policy and foreign policy.  Now I think that it is a GOOD thing if voters get the idea that a candidate doesn&#039;t have contempt for them, but even that aside, you might wonder if the in touch with people like me answer is acting as a proxy for something else (that maybe the other party is mostly interested in cutting taxes on high earners or what-have-you.)  Some of the people voting for Obama were decent hardworking folks.  Finding different ways to call them (or treat them like) selfish, ignorant narcissists is politically counterproductive and unjust.
http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president


&quot;Conservatives need to find a way of presenting to the broad American cultural a kind of “school house rock” curriculum that can efficiently navigate through the obstacles of political cultural ADD to reveal the underlying reasons why liberal policy fails, and conservative policy doesn’t.&quot;

I have no idea of how the particulars might work (and if I did I would be a millionaire), and I would put it differently, that is about the right idea.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Pseudoplotinus, if you look at the full exit poll results, Obama also won among voters who prioritized unemployment, the housing market, health care policy and foreign policy.  Now I think that it is a GOOD thing if voters get the idea that a candidate doesn&#8217;t have contempt for them, but even that aside, you might wonder if the in touch with people like me answer is acting as a proxy for something else (that maybe the other party is mostly interested in cutting taxes on high earners or what-have-you.)  Some of the people voting for Obama were decent hardworking folks.  Finding different ways to call them (or treat them like) selfish, ignorant narcissists is politically counterproductive and unjust.<br />
<a href="http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president" rel="nofollow">http://www.cnn.com/election/2012/results/race/president</a></p>
<p>&#8220;Conservatives need to find a way of presenting to the broad American cultural a kind of “school house rock” curriculum that can efficiently navigate through the obstacles of political cultural ADD to reveal the underlying reasons why liberal policy fails, and conservative policy doesn’t.&#8221;</p>
<p>I have no idea of how the particulars might work (and if I did I would be a millionaire), and I would put it differently, that is about the right idea.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 18:21:57 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[How about a &quot;reality show&quot; about starting a small business?  Or one about working as an abortionist?  I don&#039;t know if they would be entertaining programs, unless you found entertaining people to be in them.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>How about a &#8220;reality show&#8221; about starting a small business?  Or one about working as an abortionist?  I don&#8217;t know if they would be entertaining programs, unless you found entertaining people to be in them.</p>
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		<title>By: Pseudoplotinus</title>
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		<dc:creator>Pseudoplotinus</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 17:56:35 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot;But what if some substantial body of Obama voters ... aren’t “self-obsessed emotivists?”&quot;

Well according to the WaPo Exit Poll it turns out the presidency was delivered to Obama by &quot;self-obsessed emotivists&quot; :

https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/266570635927498753

Among polled voters, Romney led decisively among voters whose concerns were about relevant Presidential qualities, specifically, values, strength of leadership and vision. But Obama all but owned that portion of the voters whose primary concern was that the president &quot;care for people like them.&quot; 

That to me is the definition of &quot;self obsessed emotivists.&quot;

So what to do? The answer is this: political/cultural remediation. Conservatives need to find away to expose this growing population of emotional narcissists to the realities of bad policy that is both appealing to these sorts of folks, ie entertaining, yet also edifying at least in a remedial sense. Hence my example above, also noted by Kate. 

Conservatives need to find a way of presenting to the broad American cultural a kind of &quot;school house rock&quot; curriculum that can efficiently navigate through the obstacles of political cultural ADD to reveal the underlying reasons why liberal policy fails, and conservative policy doesn&#039;t.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;But what if some substantial body of Obama voters &#8230; aren’t “self-obsessed emotivists?”&#8221;</p>
<p>Well according to the WaPo Exit Poll it turns out the presidency was delivered to Obama by &#8220;self-obsessed emotivists&#8221; :</p>
<p><a href="https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/266570635927498753" rel="nofollow">https://twitter.com/baseballcrank/status/266570635927498753</a></p>
<p>Among polled voters, Romney led decisively among voters whose concerns were about relevant Presidential qualities, specifically, values, strength of leadership and vision. But Obama all but owned that portion of the voters whose primary concern was that the president &#8220;care for people like them.&#8221; </p>
<p>That to me is the definition of &#8220;self obsessed emotivists.&#8221;</p>
<p>So what to do? The answer is this: political/cultural remediation. Conservatives need to find away to expose this growing population of emotional narcissists to the realities of bad policy that is both appealing to these sorts of folks, ie entertaining, yet also edifying at least in a remedial sense. Hence my example above, also noted by Kate. </p>
<p>Conservatives need to find a way of presenting to the broad American cultural a kind of &#8220;school house rock&#8221; curriculum that can efficiently navigate through the obstacles of political cultural ADD to reveal the underlying reasons why liberal policy fails, and conservative policy doesn&#8217;t.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 15:00:23 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I have a great deal of compassion for any lady who has aborted a child. We are all sinners.
Again, thanks for bringing it up here!]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I have a great deal of compassion for any lady who has aborted a child. We are all sinners.<br />
Again, thanks for bringing it up here!</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
		<link>http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/postmodernconservative/2013/02/20/abortion-and-politics-big-morality-vs-small-decisions/comment-page-1/#comment-33781</link>
		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:44:08 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[I&#039;d have to go to another church; unless I spoke about how to talk about abortion in the grocery aisle.  Only one girl I know from our church aborted and I only know because she was in my kitchen weeping about it.  She knew what she had done.  To which, honestly, Bob, the only answer is &quot;Go and sin no more.&quot; 

It doesn&#039;t really take courage to talk about abortion, but opportunity.  Intruding with the topic only drives people away and into the kind of rationalistic retreat of Ms. Williams, linked to in the post.  We do have to talk about it long, but I suggest softly and with persistence, watching for opportunity.  If people perceive you as clownish, they won&#039;t take you seriously.  That&#039;s important, because we cannot mess up the message by offending.  Murder, but legal murder, which means they all think they&#039;ve got a right.  Distinctions between civil rights and natural rights get lost.  This civil right to murder is unnatural and we can talk about it like that.  What to do when people deny natural law, that&#039;s what I am seeing as the problem.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;d have to go to another church; unless I spoke about how to talk about abortion in the grocery aisle.  Only one girl I know from our church aborted and I only know because she was in my kitchen weeping about it.  She knew what she had done.  To which, honestly, Bob, the only answer is &#8220;Go and sin no more.&#8221; </p>
<p>It doesn&#8217;t really take courage to talk about abortion, but opportunity.  Intruding with the topic only drives people away and into the kind of rationalistic retreat of Ms. Williams, linked to in the post.  We do have to talk about it long, but I suggest softly and with persistence, watching for opportunity.  If people perceive you as clownish, they won&#8217;t take you seriously.  That&#8217;s important, because we cannot mess up the message by offending.  Murder, but legal murder, which means they all think they&#8217;ve got a right.  Distinctions between civil rights and natural rights get lost.  This civil right to murder is unnatural and we can talk about it like that.  What to do when people deny natural law, that&#8217;s what I am seeing as the problem.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:23:12 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[As, I believe, you imply in your blog, abortion needs to be debated and argued long and loud. 
It would seem to me the classroom is where we want to begin. How about church? Why not argue at club meetings against funding any organization that subsidizes abortion (Planned Parenthood, et al)? How about Parma City council meetings? How about Democrat Party functions? And, yes the grocery aisle.

We&#039;re talking about murder here and once the state mounts that slippery slope, well the next thing is they come for is the non-productive elderly. And, you know Democrat-progressivists are just salivating at the chance to begin those processes associated with euthanasia. Do you think that when the Dems launch that campaign you will be able to find a place to discuss it?

However, you&#039;ve had the courage to raise the subject here at PoMoCon and generated  one of the longer threads in a while here. And, thank you for that.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>As, I believe, you imply in your blog, abortion needs to be debated and argued long and loud.<br />
It would seem to me the classroom is where we want to begin. How about church? Why not argue at club meetings against funding any organization that subsidizes abortion (Planned Parenthood, et al)? How about Parma City council meetings? How about Democrat Party functions? And, yes the grocery aisle.</p>
<p>We&#8217;re talking about murder here and once the state mounts that slippery slope, well the next thing is they come for is the non-productive elderly. And, you know Democrat-progressivists are just salivating at the chance to begin those processes associated with euthanasia. Do you think that when the Dems launch that campaign you will be able to find a place to discuss it?</p>
<p>However, you&#8217;ve had the courage to raise the subject here at PoMoCon and generated  one of the longer threads in a while here. And, thank you for that.</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 14:09:59 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Not the any kind of lounge crew, but the classroom (where I do throw some students into shock, see above) or -- where?  Where do we broach this subject?  It is not the stuff of the grocery aisle.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Not the any kind of lounge crew, but the classroom (where I do throw some students into shock, see above) or &#8212; where?  Where do we broach this subject?  It is not the stuff of the grocery aisle.</p>
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		<title>By: Robert Cheeks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Robert Cheeks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:49:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[&quot; I begin to wonder if by not speaking, risking giving offense in personal relationships, we don’t make the politician’s job much harder. &quot;

Really?
We&#039;re talking about the systemic, politically encouraged, slaughter that makes the Nazi blush at his incompetence. And, its happening in your country, in your state, in your city and you&#039;re concerned with &#039;giving offense?&#039;
Well, I guess we don&#039;t want to upset the faculty lounge crew?]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8221; I begin to wonder if by not speaking, risking giving offense in personal relationships, we don’t make the politician’s job much harder. &#8221;</p>
<p>Really?<br />
We&#8217;re talking about the systemic, politically encouraged, slaughter that makes the Nazi blush at his incompetence. And, its happening in your country, in your state, in your city and you&#8217;re concerned with &#8216;giving offense?&#8217;<br />
Well, I guess we don&#8217;t want to upset the faculty lounge crew?</p>
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		<title>By: Kate Pitrone</title>
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		<dc:creator>Kate Pitrone</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 22 Feb 2013 13:38:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description><![CDATA[Lots of great comments.  

Carl, you did catch exactly what I meant.  I begin to wonder if by not speaking, risking giving offense in personal relationships, we don&#039;t make the politician&#039;s job much harder.  Or God has to bring about a national/international piercing of conscience, an awareness of the evil. 

Pseudoplotinus, I love the Youtube video on government regulation.  Very funny and very true.  My husband works with many small businessmen and women and they have exactly the same stories.   You&#039;d think people didn&#039;t want new businesses to start.]]></description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lots of great comments.  </p>
<p>Carl, you did catch exactly what I meant.  I begin to wonder if by not speaking, risking giving offense in personal relationships, we don&#8217;t make the politician&#8217;s job much harder.  Or God has to bring about a national/international piercing of conscience, an awareness of the evil. </p>
<p>Pseudoplotinus, I love the Youtube video on government regulation.  Very funny and very true.  My husband works with many small businessmen and women and they have exactly the same stories.   You&#8217;d think people didn&#8217;t want new businesses to start.</p>
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