Oh, this is going to have to be studiously ignored at the upcoming confab in Copenhagen. Apparently those Himalayan glaciers that are supposedly being devastated by global warming, may actually be doing just fine, thank you very much. From the story:
It has been reported worldwide that the Himalayan glaciers are retreating fast due to global warming. But now a report released by India’s Ministry of Environment last week claims that the picture of fast retreating glaciers is simply not accurate. The report, by a senior glaciologist called Vijay Kumar Raina, says that earlier studies based on the measurements of a handful of glaciers did not present a true account, and that in fact, India’s 10,000 plus Himalayan glaciers are not shrinking rapidly in response to climate change.
The report disputes the UN Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s (IPCC’s) 2007 report, which stated clearly that Himalayan glaciers ‘are receding faster than in any other part of the world and, if the present rate continues, the likelihood of them disappearing by the year 2035, and perhaps sooner, is very high if the Earth keeps warming at the current rate.’
But the consensus tells us it’s true! Ignore everything else and stick to the consensus! (Quick! Get some smelling salts for Gore, he looks like he’s going into shock.) As for the IPCC, its minions are calling the Indians “arrogant” for daring to come to a different conclusion than it did. Arrogant? Talk about speaking into a mirror!
But there apparently is no such thing as good news where climate change is concerned:
Growing glaciers, however, are not exactly good news. According to Hewitt, ‘Surging glaciers are dangerous because they store water. The Hunza River has declined by 20 per cent due to the advance of glaciers in the area. These glaciers are storing ice… This is a different problem and needs to be investigated’.
So, are the glaciers in danger or not? I don’t know. Climate and its impact are always in flux, so to say that there is “climate change” is really a meaningless term. But I think it is high time that the IPCC and all climate scientists–from both sides–opened up their raw data for a good look-see by the rest of us. Trust is over and it is time for verify to begin.
November 28th, 2009 | 7:37 pm
Mr.Vijay Kumar Raina is very brave… must be very cautious now for speaking out against the Warmists, for they will not look upon this kindly.
November 28th, 2009 | 7:53 pm
See also:
Anthropogenic Global Warming Virus Alert
http://www.thespoof.com/news/spoof.cfm?headline=s5i64103
November 28th, 2009 | 8:03 pm
An easy explanation of what ClimateGate means,
ClimateGate emails and computer programs were taken from a main server at the Climate Research Unit of the University of East Anglia. It is not known if this was a theft or the actions of a whistleblower, disgusted with what the lead scientists at CRU were doing.
ClimateGate exposed the cabal of 20 – 30 scientists (not just at CRU) that peer reviewed each others papers, strong-armed scientific journals to only print their views, and then sat on the IPCC panels as authors judging which published studies go into the IPCC final reports. This is why they always keep shouting “peer reviewed studies, peer reviewed studies, peer reviewed studies”. They owned the peer review process.
ClimateGate exposed that this small group has been adding positive corrections to the raw global temperature data, inflating the amount of published temperature rise over the last 50 years. Both CRU in the UK and NASA-GISS in the US add these biases. At CRU, the programmers did not even know what and why some corrections were added every month. Only since satellite monitoring for comparison have the amounts of biasing leveled off.
ClimateGate exposed the leaders of this cabal instructing each other to delete emails, data files, and data analysis programs ahead of already filed Freedom Of Information Act requests for raw data and computer codes, clearly a crime.
ClimateGate exposed the “trick” about the Hockey stick figure and other studies that performed proxy construction of past temperatures. After all, reconstruction of the last 1,000 years of climate is the first step in predicting the future with super computer programs as explained below:
Everything about all 21 super computer programs used by the IPCC to determine future global warming rely on best-determined past sensitivities to solar and volcanic effects (climate forcings) from the proxy temperature record.
1. The elimination of the Medieval Warm Period and the Little Ice Age (the handle of the hockey stick) was necessary so that past solar effects could be minimized, thereby allowing almost all of the warming in the last 75 years to be blamed on Greenhouse Gasses. Raw data (like tree-ring thickness, radioisotope of mud layers in a lake bottom, ice core analyses, etc.) are used as a proxy for reconstruction of the temperature record for 1000 AD to 1960 AD. To ensure desired results, statistical manipulation of the raw data and selecting only supporting data, cherry-picking, was suspected and later proved.
2. The slope of long-term 10-year running average global temperature using thermometers from 1900 to present (the blade of the hockey stick) was maximized with the sloppy gridding code, Urban Heat Island effects, hiding the declines, and even fabricating data (documented in the leaked source code comments revealed with ClimateGate) ensured that the Greenhouse Gas effect coefficient in all 21 of the super computers is maximized. (This maximizes the temperature result at year 2100 based on Greenhouse Gas increases.) This thermometer data was used to replace the tree ring-divergence after 1960 and plot this over the climate history data of (1) above giving the false impression that the reconstructed 1000 AD to 1960 AD results are more accurate than they are.
3. Because tuning of the super computer programs uses back casting, the computer outputs could always replicate the 20th Century (by design); therefore it was assumed that the models had almost everything in them. Because of (1) and (2) above, nearly all climate change predicted by the models was due to CO2 and positive feedbacks.
4. Over the years, when better numbers for volcanic effects, black carbon, aerosols, land use, ocean and atmospheric multi-decadal cycles, etc. became available, it appears that CRU made revisions to refit the back cast, but could hardly understand what the code was doing due to previous correction factor fudging and outright fabricating, as documented in the released code as part of ClimateGate.
5. After the IPCC averages the 21 super computer outputs of future projected warming (anywhere from 2-degrees to 7-degrees, not very precise), that output is used to predict all manner of catastrophes. (Fires, floods, droughts, blizzards, hurricanes, tornadoes, earthquakes, insects, extinctions, diseases, civil wars, cats & dogs sleeping together, etc.)
Shut-up or be called a denier, live the way we tell you to live, pay more for everything, and just send money.
I hope that this makes the ClimateGate controversy easier to understand.
November 28th, 2009 | 9:03 pm
Saying that the earth is warming solely due to mankind’s contribution to atmospheric carbon dioxide is like saying the earth’s crust is thinning because we dig cellars, drainage ditches and mines.
Oh wait! Can I get a grant to study that?
November 28th, 2009 | 9:25 pm
[...] Climate; UNIPCC says glaciers shrinking, Indias Ministry of Environment says NOT TRUE. [...]
November 28th, 2009 | 9:26 pm
I think it is time to take the environmental movement back by focusing on real pollutants. I’ve been warning the Rocky Mountain Institute for years about this. I am now afraid that the resource (not just energy) efficiency revolution that they have done such great work on will be sacrificed at the alter of AWG. People will throw out the baby with the bathwater.
Given the CRU event and the damage it has done please consider the following.
1) Just plainly state that there should be an investigation into data manipulation and that all scientists should be forced to release all data and source code like REAL SCIENTISTS DO. Stop defending criminals by talking about peer review when they were reviewing each other’s papers. You didn’t rig data, collude to prevent others from being published, sabotage other scientists careers. You have to distance yourself immediately from the MBH et al ilk!
2) No longer talk about CO2. It’s dead, proven to be rigged data and continuing to talk about it will only discredit the whole environmental movement.
3) Talk about mercury pollution. 40 tons a year from coal, 35 tons a year from garbage incineration and that is just from North America (and we are not that bad compared to Asia and Africa, scary but true!). Talk about the watershed destruction in coal mining.
4) Offer up a straight forward alternative. Shale gas for the short term renewables for short, medium and long term. The best thing for the environment in the last 50 years is the shale gas technology! Not pretty or renewable but it gives us 50 to 60 years if we decommission all coal & nuke plants and double that if we just phase them out.
So bring the shale gas online as fast as possible and convert/shutdown the coal plants first. With a lot less than 50 years of research and development renewables will be working and cost competitive.
You will reduce 100% of the mercury given off by coal (and 40% reduction in the “evil” CO2 if you still think that is important).
If we allow stupid LIES and pseudo science like that practiced by the AWG crowd (MBH et al) to be used to tax us then yes we will all be a lot poorer. If we just push the resource efficiency like rmi.org then we will save money.
If we actually force scientists like Mann, Bradley, Hughes, Jones and the rest of the AWG crowd to make all the data and code publicly available LIKE REAL SCIENTISTS do then we will progress.
From: A real environmentalist!
Cheers
November 29th, 2009 | 12:16 am
RE: “3) Talk about mercury pollution. 40 tons a year from coal,35 tons a year from garbage incineration”
How much mercury from those compact florescent lights?
Pehaps we should all just do straight to LEDs.
November 29th, 2009 | 8:04 am
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November 29th, 2009 | 8:07 am
My Dad always said to follow the money. Oh those grants may be lots harder to get now. Wonder what the next trendy alarmist bit will be. Hopefully not one that makes a living for the new alarmists! But it will be something we can all cringe over.
November 29th, 2009 | 10:36 am
Y’all need to either read what REAL scientists say about climate change or come down to Texas and see what our summers are like now.
Grown and raised here. It’s real. Sadly tho, no weathermen are allowed to talk about it. They just act “surprised” at the temperatures.
I used to wear a heavy coat during the winters. I left mine at a friends house for a few years and it’s just fine.
But these are the anecdotes. Just like the evidence you always cite.
November 29th, 2009 | 3:55 pm
[...] Climate; UNIPCC says glaciers shrinking, Indias Ministry of Environment says NOT TRUE. [...]
November 29th, 2009 | 8:27 pm
Stop bitching, take responsibility and take action. Stop all donations to the political party(s) responsible for this fraud. Stop donations to all environmental groups which funded this Global Warming propaganda campaign with our money, especially The Environmental Defense Fund. Write your state and federal representatives demanding wall to wall investigations of government sponsored funding and coordination of this and related propaganda campaigns and demand indictments of those responsible. Write your state and federal Attorneys General demanding Al Gore and others conducting Global Warming/Climate Change racketeering and mail fraud operations be brought to justice, indicted, tried, convicted and jailed. That’s what I have done in response to this outrageous violation of the public trust. Think of the consequences if you do nothing! For one, the UK is becoming the poster child for George Orwell’s “1984” and the US government’s sponsorship of this worldwide Global Warming propaganda campaign puts it in a class with the failed Soviet Union’s relentless violation of the basic human right to truthful government generated information. Given ClimateGate’s burgeoning revelations of outrageous government misconduct and massive covert misinformation, what are the chances that this Administration’s National Health Care sales campaign is anywhere near to the truth?
November 30th, 2009 | 1:59 am
fear the wrath of the warmists.. Its good their dog and pony show has been exposed for the fraud it is.. maybe now we can look at problems that exist and move forward..
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