Obamacare continues to be a political albatross. A new poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation (not exactly known for right wingism) shows a record low in support. From The Hill story:
Support for Democrats’ healthcare reform has hit its lowest point since the law passed in March 2010, says a new monthly poll from the Kaiser Family Foundation. After months of split support for the law, 51 percent of respondents to the latest poll had an unfavorable view while only 34 percent had a favorable impression. The key reason for the change, the poll found, was Democrats’ waning support: Even though they remain more favorable to the law than Republicans and independents, the proportion of Democrats with favorable views has decreased from about two-thirds to just 52 percent in October. The poor polling numbers all but ensure that the law will be a handicap for many Democrats and the president himself going into the 2012 election. They also suggest that Republicans’ constant hammering at the law has been effective
Well, that’s a nice bit of spin, blaming it on “Republican pounding.” Perhaps more people just have more information about what is in the law–remember Nancy Pelosi saying the law needed to be passed so we could learn what is in it? Now, that it did and we have, more are detecting its malodorous nature. With Obamacare, the more you learn, the less you like.
October 28th, 2011 | 11:34 am
Mr. Smith
“Unconditional love” is a term that means to love someone regardless of one’s actions or beliefs.
Is there a term for unconditionally saying “No!” to just about everything over and over again?
Whatever the term may be, it most certainly applies to the Republican Party and this issue.
Like children with a strong will, the Republicans are trying to wear their parents down.
They’re convinced they must have something or their world can’t go on.
It’s pathetic:
http://www.dailykos.com/tv/w/002620/
October 28th, 2011 | 12:20 pm
Harryhammer, citing the Daily Kos website (far left) for anything is like citing the World Net/”Nut” Daily site (far right). The print equivalents are like citing as absolute truth Z Magazine (far left again) or John Birch Society literature (far right again). Neither extreme viewpoint is credible. (Nor is extreme libertarianism, I must add.) Pick better sources.
The Dems aren’t anyone’s “parents” any more than are the Republicans. They don’t “know what’s best for you” except where it suits their agenda—and that’s true of all political types.
The real issue is that more people are beginning to see the downside of the Obamacare bill as more provisions come into play, as they gradually have been. It seemed cool to be able to keep adult children to age 26 on their parents’ medical insurance. But other mandates are starting to kick in, along with increased costs and premiums, and suddenly the package isn’t so great now.
Harryhammer Reply:
October 28th, 2011 at 3:19 pm
@K-Man,
K-Man
It was straight forward video testimony from the Floor of the House.
It’s all part of the public record.
Those weren’t actors hired to play the role of Republicans on TV.
October 28th, 2011 | 6:09 pm
What amazes me is that there is 36% of people intelligent enough to finish a poll that think this law is a good idea. Unfortunately I’m related (by marriage) to some of them.
Harryhammer Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 2:28 pm
@Jespren,
Jespren
It is truly amazing.
The folks who think passing this law was a bad idea have a few bad ideas of their own:
“Birthers” believe in one or more conspiracy theories, holding that President Barack Obama is not a “natural born” citizen of the United States, and therefore ineligible for the presidency.
Is Donald Trump one of your heroes?
Polls conducted in 2010:
One quarter of adult Americans doubted Obama’s U.S. birth.
Newsflash:
They’re from your camp.
About a quarter of Republicans believe that Barrack Obama is “the Antichrist” and a whole lot more:
http://www.livescience.com/8160-quarter-republicans-obama-anti-christ.html
Double Newsflash:
They’re from your camp.
Jespren Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 4:45 pm
@Harryhammer,
Since the historical and Constitutional definition of ‘natural born citizen’ is someone born to parents who are citizens, who never gives up his citizenship, and who does not hold dual citizenship…Obama ISN’T constitutionally eligible to hold presidency. His father wasn’t a citizen of the U.S. and Obama was a dual citizen beholden to both his father’s country and his mother’s country. It is also highly likely he was adopted in early childhood, which would mean he gave up his American citizenship. It’s not a conspiracy theory, it’s a plain reading of history + the consitution. As for Trump, not a big fan, while he has been successful personally his businesses has had multiple bankruptcies so I would doubt his fiscal responibilities. But since the average homeless man could scarce so worse than President Obama, if it’s between Trump and Obama…I’ll be voting against Obama.
As for Obama being the antichrist, they apparently haven’t been reading their Bible’s very carefully. Barak doesn’t meet the requirements for ‘The Antichrist’. But he certainly is ‘a’ antichrist (of which there are many fold), as he comes in the name of Christianity while preaching ‘another Christ’. But antichrists are not uncommon, and will only become more common as the End Times comes closer.
Regardless, the relative intelligent or lack thereof of either ‘side’ is immaterial to the specific intelligence of any one belief. I know some incredibly intelligent people who believe in patently absurd things. Belief that Obamacare is a good idea is what I was refering to, nothing more.
Wesley J. Smith Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 4:52 pm
Tweet! Let’s not get into antichrists, whether THE or otherwise. Thanks.
padraig Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 3:34 pm
@Jespren, “I know some incredibly intelligent people who believe in patently absurd things.”
So do your friends.
Jespren Reply:
October 31st, 2011 at 4:46 pm
@padraig, given that almost all of my friends are liberal, non-christian, and frequent imbibers of one mind or mood altering substance or another (legal or otherwise), you are absolutely correct. But I’m guessing you assumed all/most of my friends think and live like me, which couldn’t be further from the truth.
October 29th, 2011 | 9:01 am
I’m losing my optimism that it will ever be repealed because Republicans would be doing the repealing. Democrats have most of the guts when it comes to politics. They aren’t like Republicans who worry about what the media thinks about them or what the other party things about them. Even Rush Limbaugh is worried about this after reading a Washington Times article. http://www.rushlimbaugh.com/daily/2011/10/27/uh_oh_gop_giving_up_on_obamacare_repeal Republicans talk big, but in the end not much happens when it comes to things like this. The republicans have brave activists but they don’t have a lot of brave leaders.
Harryhammer Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 1:57 pm
@Don Nelson,
Newsflash:
The most influential opinion leader in the conservative movement said that he would leave the country if Obama care was passed.
He said he’d move to Costa Rica if such were the case.
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2010/03/09/limbaugh-ill-leave-us-if_n_491536.html
It’s too bad he isn’t a man of his word.
Incidentally, Costa Rica has universal health-care, one of the best systems in Latin America.
Costa Rica is known for being the happiest country.
Rush Limbaugh wouldn’t fit in.
Don Nelson Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 2:48 pm
@Harryhammer, So???? News flash: as usual, this has nothing to do with my lament that the republicans won’t have the guts to take down Obamacare.
October 29th, 2011 | 10:04 am
Predictably, the voter populace is experiencing buyer’s remorse. What else is new? However, it does not follow that because support is flagging it must be due to accurate knowledge of the law. Perceived knowledge of the law may be the driver for many. In god’s country, misinformation certainly dominates.
How many people truly believe this law will establish death panels, open health care immigration, mass abortions, centralized physician care, etc, etc?
Further, many liberals apparently have become lukewarm to what they think is a weak reform. If one looks at the Kaiser poll breakdown, it could very well be over-represented by democrats and liberals.
Citing knowledge as the driver of dissatisfaction is premature. One must first produce evidence and data demonstrating people accurately understand the law. If this is not the case, alternative hypotheses are welcome.
Wesley J. Smith Reply:
October 29th, 2011 at 2:26 pm
The populace was against this thing when it was passed. And lied about.
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