CognitiveDistoibance wrote:(the kidlets) and then
(plus kidlets) and
If one didn't know your outlook was fundamentally (Judeo)Christian, one could be forgiven for assuming one is reading the scribblings of a bunch of hardened Darwininsts, who only cared about reproduction, reproduction at all costs.
You detect a pattern? While it is true that I hardly share Darwinian presuppositions, I'm ok with being co-belligerent with him on occasion.
ST wrote:I know this will sound outrageous to the more legally and religiously minded people here, but some poor fools think that perhaps marriage might be about an essential affirmation of love between two people, a temporary reproduction on Earth of the more permanent merging between human and Absolute.
Not outrageous IMV. But I do hold that marriage is not a me
-centered excercise. (Though I quickly admit, even most heterosexuals enter into it under this delusion--yet there remains hope that some will recover.) IMHO, marriage intially is (or should be) we
-centered (spouses (+ diety, in fact, but I'll settle for spouses alone)) whose ultimate expression of we
-ness is kidlets possessing we
-based DNA. (Not to exclude adoptions, infertility and so forth, but I am speaking in the main.)
In other words, progression of conscious (if irrational) self-sacrifice:
1. Prior to marriage, self-sacrifice (of at least short term benefits) for one's own long term self. (a.k.a., a measure of personal responsibility.)
2. Self-sacrifice for one's spouse.
3. Joint self-sacrifice for one's offspring.
If, as is alleged from time to time, it is better to give than receive
, a marriage based on giving to each other, and then thus extended to 20+ year joint projects, is, in fact, a far greater thing
than a marriage concerned merely with self-oriented objectives. Thus my comment earlier that a me
-oriented marriage, even among heterosexuals, isn't. Having kids will change you--or should.
Just yesterday ran into another manifestation of this, coaching youth baseball. A 12-year old figuratively being pulled limb from limb between two divorced "parents." Sadly, I care more about this kid than the parents, though they can hardly see that.
ST wrote:... a temporary reproduction on Earth of the more permanent merging between human and Absolute.
A "reproduction" you say?
I hope you will forgive my christian presuppositions if I find the relationship of the Absolute to the human to be a non-trivial example of self-sacrifice.
ST wrote:Again, apologies for this unwelcomed intrusion. Keep going as you were.
Speaking at least for myself, you are most welcome here sir.
Perhaps if you stick around, the discourse here might include a few more velociraptor references.