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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby lzzrdgrrl » Fri Sep 10, 2010 12:26 am

uhm.... that was for illustration purposes and not an endorsement :wink: .......

Civilised people have scruples. I remember the casual attire worn by the hoi polloi at our local voting stations for the 2010 general elections. Trackwear with worded exhortations on the backside, and entirely too much of that exposed to view. Those are the ones that spell 'quelconque' as H-A-W-T. Says so, right back here..... :P .......
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Pastaneta » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:19 pm

It seems that Hussein is really getting desperate...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

The first family left the White House on foot this morning for the 9am choral holy eucharist service and sermon at St John's Church Lafayette Square.

The Obamas walked out of the residence at 8.49am and crossed the park to the nearby Episcopal church.
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Pastaneta » Sun Sep 19, 2010 2:27 pm

This is of course gossip. But my own friends at the university of Chicago law school told me something similar...

http://directorblue.blogspot.com/2010/0 ... to-be.html

Is the President's resume accurate when it comes to his career and qualifications? I can corroborate that Obama's "teaching career" at Chicago was, to put it kindly, a sham.

I spent some time with the highest tenured faculty member at Chicago Law a few months back, and he did not have many nice things to say about "Barry." Obama applied for a position as an adjunct and wasn't even considered. A few weeks later the law school got a phone call from the Board of Trustees telling them to find him an office, put him on the payroll, and give him a class to teach. The Board told him he didn't have to be a member of the faculty, but they needed to give him a temporary position. He was never a professor and was hardly an adjunct.

The other professors hated him because he was lazy, unqualified, never attended any of the faculty meetings, and it was clear that the position was nothing more than a political stepping stool. According to my professor friend, he had the lowest intellectual capacity in the building. He also doubted whether he was legitimately an editor on the Harvard Law Review, because if he was, he would be the first and only editor of an Ivy League law review to never be published while in school (publication is or was a requirement).
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby charleston » Sun Sep 19, 2010 10:52 pm

Pastaneta wrote:It seems that Hussein is really getting desperate...

http://www.drudgereport.com/flash2.htm

The first family left the White House on foot this morning for the 9am choral holy eucharist service and sermon at St John's Church Lafayette Square.

The Obamas walked out of the residence at 8.49am and crossed the park to the nearby Episcopal church.


lol

my thoughts exacty
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Spengler » Mon Sep 20, 2010 12:44 pm

Did they take Communion?
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Pastaneta » Tue Sep 21, 2010 6:59 am

No, but this won't help him when widely known...

http://www.thepostemail.com/2010/09/20/ ... m-speaker/

Yesterday, on Sunday, September 19, 2010, the Obama family attended church for only the third time in a year. They went on foot to the St. John’s Episcopal Church situated across the Lafayette Park.

But what is widely not reported by the White House and the MSM is that on that particular Sunday in that particular church, Dr. Ziad Asali, M.D., a Muslim, founder and president of the American Task Force on Palestine, was the guest speaker. He was there to speak on the subject of “Prospects of the two-state solution in the Middle-East.”

According to the website of the American Task Force on Palestine, it is a “non-profit, non-partisan organization based in Washington, DC.” The organization describes itself as “dedicated to advocating that it is in the American national interest to promote an end to the conflict in the Middle East through a negotiated agreement that provides for two states – Israel and Palestine – living side by side in peace and security.”

Dr. Ziad J. Asali is described as “a long-time activist on Middle East issues” who has testified to both chambers of Congress about Palestinian interests, increased U.S. aid to the Palestinian Authority, and “Israel’s disproportionate use of force” in Gaza. A retired physician, Asali received his early medical training at the American University of Beirut. He previously served as President of the American-Arab Anti-Discrimination Committee (ADC) and Chairman of the American Committee on Jerusalem (ACJ), which he also co-founded He also served as the President of the Arab-American University Graduates (AAUG).


The rumors he is a Muslim will reach epidemic proportions!
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Uche Africanus » Tue Sep 21, 2010 10:06 am

He is not a Muslim seeing that the accusation is an extraordinary and an indecent fiction. It is also one that has been agitating the minds of the moonbats in Jerusalem ever since the president called for America to play the role of a non-partial mediator between the warring sides.
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Pastaneta » Wed Sep 22, 2010 4:51 pm

Except that at school in Indonesia, he was registered as a Muslim...
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby charleston » Wed Sep 22, 2010 5:01 pm

Uche Africanus wrote:He is not a Muslim seeing that the accusation is an extraordinary and an indecent fiction. It is also one that has been agitating the minds of the moonbats in Jerusalem ever since the president called for America to play the role of a non-partial mediator between the warring sides.


Why is it indecent?

What is your problem with muslims?

The Trinity Church where he was baptized is nominally Christians, but really is a racist marxist construct, where people can wallow in their grievance and resentment...nothing to do with loving your neighbor unless your neighbor is black.

http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php ... iew&id=114

THE BLACK VALUE SYSTEM

Trinity United Church of Christ adopted the Black Value System, written by the Manford Byrd Recognition Committee, chaired by the late Vallmer Jordan in 1981.

Dr. Manford Byrd, our brother in Christ, withstood the ravage of being denied his earned ascension to the number one position in the Chicago School System. His dedication to the pursuit of excellence, despite systematic denials, has inspired the congregation of Trinity United Church of Christ. Prayerfully, we have called upon the wisdom of all past generations of suffering Blacks for guidance in fashioning an instrument of Black self-determination, the Black Value System.

Beginning in 1982, an annual Black Value System - Educational Scholarship in the name of Dr. Byrd was instituted. The first recipient of the Dr. Manford Byrd Award, which is given annually to the man or woman who best exemplifies the Black Value System, was our brother, Dr. Manford Byrd.

These Black Ethics must be taught and exemplified in homes, churches, nurseries and schools, wherever Blacks are gathered. They consist of the following concepts:

Commitment to God. "The God of our weary years" will give us the strength to give up prayerful passivism and become Black Christian Activists, soldiers for Black freedom and the dignity of all humankind. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind.


Commitment to the Black Community. The highest level of achievement for any Black person must be a contribution of strength and continuity of the Black Community. I John 4:20 - If a man say, I love God, and hateth his brother [or his sister], he is a liar; for he that loveth not his brother or sister whom he hath seen, how can he love God whom he hath not seen?


Commitment to the Black Family. The Black family circle must generate strength, stability and love, despite the uncertainty of externals, because these characteristics are required if the developing person is to withstand warping by our racist competitive society. Those Blacks who are blessed with membership in a strong family unit must reach out and expand that blessing to the less fortunate. Deuteronomy 6:6-8 - And these words, which I command thee this day, shall be in thine heart: And thou shalt teach them diligently unto thy children, and shalt talk of them when thou sittest in thine house, and when thou walkest by the way, and when thou liest down, and when thou risest up. And thou shalt bind them for a sign upon thine hand, and they shall be as frontlets between thine eyes.


Dedication to the Pursuit of Education. We must forswear anti-intellectualism. Continued survival demands that each Black person be developed to the utmost of his/her mental potential despite the inadequacies of the formal education process. “Real education” fosters understanding of ourselves as well as every aspect of our environment. Also, it develops within us the ability to fashion concepts and tools for better utilization of our resources, and more effective solutions to our problems. Since the majority of Blacks have been denied such learning, Black Education must include elements that produce high school graduates with marketable skills, a trade or qualifications for apprenticeships, or proper preparation for college. Basic education for all Blacks should include Mathematics, Science, Logic, General Semantics, Participative Politics, Economics and Finance, and the Care and Nurture of Black minds. Matthew 22:37 - Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul and with all thy mind.


Dedication to the Pursuit of Excellence. To the extent that we individually reach for, even strain for excellence, we increase, geometrically, the value and resourcefulness of the Black Community. We must recognize the relativity of one’s best; this year’s best can be bettered next year. Such is the language of growth and development. We must seek to excel in every endeavor. Ecclesiastes 9:10 - Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do [it] with thy might; for [there is] no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


Adherence to the Black Work Ethic. "It is becoming harder to find qualified people to work in Chicago." Whether this is true or not, it represents one of the many reasons given by businesses and industries for deserting the Chicago area. We must realize that a location with good facilities, adequate transportation and a reputation for producing skilled workers will attract industry. We are in competition with other cities, states and nations for jobs. High productivity must be a goal of the Black workforce. II Thessalonians 3:7-12 - For yourselves know how ye ought to follow us: for we behaved not ourselves disorderly among you; Neither did we eat any man's bread for nought; but wrought with labor and travail night and day, that we might not be chargeable to any of you: Not because we have not power, but to make ourselves an ensample unto you to follow us. For even when we were with you, this we commanded you, that if any would not work, neither should he eat. For we hear that there are some which walk among you disorderly, working not at all, but are busybodies. Now them that are such we command and exhort by our Lord Jesus Christ, that with quietness they work, and eat their own bread.


Commitment to Self-Discipline and Self-Respect. To accomplish anything worthwhile requires self-discipline. We must be a community of self-disciplined persons if we are to actualize and utilize our own human resources, instead of perpetually submitting to exploitation by others. Self-discipline, coupled with a respect for self, will enable each of us to be an instrument of Black Progress and a model for Black Youth. I Peter 1:4-7 - To an inheritance incorruptible, and undefiled, and that fadeth not away, reserved in heaven for you, Who are kept by the power of God through faith unto salvation ready to be revealed in the last time. Wherein ye greatly rejoice, though now for a season, if need be, ye are in heaviness through manifold temptations: That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perishes, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honor and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ.


Disavowal of the Pursuit of "Middleclassness." Classic methodology on control of captives teaches that captors must be able to identify the "talented tenth" of those subjugated, especially those who show promise of providing the kind of leadership that might threaten the captor's control. Proverbs 3:13-14 - Happy are those who find wisdom and those who gain understanding, for her income is better than silver and her revenue better than gold.

Those so identified are separated from the rest of the people by:
Killing them off directly, and/or fostering a social system that encourages them to kill off one another.
Placing them in concentration camps, and/or structuring an economic environment that induces captive youth to fill the jails and prisons.
Seducing them into a socioeconomic class system which, while training them to earn more dollars, hypnotizes them into believing they are better than others and teaches them to think in terms of "we" and "they" instead of "us."
So, while it is permissible to chase "middleclassness" with all our might, we must avoid the third separation method - the psychological entrapment of Black "middleclassness." If we avoid this snare, we will also diminish our "voluntary" contributions to methods A and B. And more importantly, Black people no longer will be deprived of their birthright: the leadership, resourcefulness and example of their own talented persons.


Pledge to Make the Fruits of All Developing and Acquired Skills Available to the Black Community.


Pledge to Allocate Regularly, a Portion of Personal Resources for Strengthening and Supporting Black Institutions.


Pledge Allegiance to All Black Leadership Who Espouse and Embrace the Black Value System.


Personal Commitment to Embracement of the Black Value System. To measure the worth and validity of all activity in terms of positive contributions to the general welfare of the Black Community and the Advancement of Black People to


and the oh so Christian, Rev Wright said:

http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/rel ... ah-wr.html

Calling Minister Louis Farrakhan "one of the most important voices of the 20th and 21st Centuries," Wright said he would not denounce the religious leader even though he disagrees with many of his views.

"When he talks, all black Americans listen ," Wright said. "I'm not going to put down Farrakhan just as Mandela would not put down Fidel Castro . He did not put me in chains. He did not put me in slavery and he did not make me this color."


Every time he looks in the mirror.......he hates GOD.

Those people hate God.
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby charleston » Tue Sep 28, 2010 3:58 pm

is Obama a muslim under islamic law?


"Prime Minister Haji Abdul Razak of Malaysia has offered to help Obama overcome "Islamophobia" by sending "experts in Islamic studies" to America in order to correct misconceptions about Islam. Malaysia's Deputy Education Minister, Datuk Saifuddin Abdullah, stated,..."

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Revathi Massosai, a Hindu whose parents had converted to Islam, was considered a Muslim under Malaysian law, despite the fact that she had been raised and was a Hindu. When she tried to get the government to recognize that fact, the Islamic authorities put her into an "Islamic Re-education Camp". There she was forced to wear a burqa, read Muslim prayers and eat beef. Since then she has been prevented from living with her husband and her daughter has no birth certificate. Nor is her case unique. Families have been broken up, children have been seized, even bodies have been dragged out of funeral homes because of Malaysia's Islamic law.


Under Malaysian law, only Muslims were permitted to use the word, "Allah". (This incidentally puts the lie to the common Muslim claim, that Allah is the universal word for God, rather than for the Muslim deity alone.) When in response to a Catholic lawsuit, the Malaysian court struck down the law, Malaysian Muslims responded in their usual tolerant fashion by firebombing churches. All of this without any protest from the same useful idiots, who go mad at the latest news from Gaza, and tramp down to Ground Zero in their Keffiyahs in support of Religious Freedom for the Ground Zero Mosque backed by a man with his own extensive ties to Malaysia.

But what will Malaysia's "experts in Islamic studies" tell us to defuse our horrible Islamophobia? Perhaps they will tell us how Malaysia broke up and criminalized the Sky Kingdom compound and charged with practicing a "deviant religion". Will they tell us whether Revathi Massosai has finally been allowed to see her daughter, and maybe explain to us how Islam's famous religious tolerance accords with forcing a Hindu woman to eat beef. And maybe fill us in on how, if there is "no compulsion in religion" under Islam, why do there have to be Islamic Reeducation Camps? Can we also discuss Malaysia's destruction of Hindu temples and how this differs from the behavior of the Taliban?

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All this is particularly unwise, as Muslims have already declared a Jihad against "space aliens". Sheikh Omar Bakri has declared that, "We are obliged as Muslims to make the whole galaxy subservient to almighty Allah". Say what you will about Muslims, you can't accuse them of thinking small. At least not when it comes to genocide. Forget conquering and enslaving the whole world, when there's a whole galaxy out there. And a chance to force ET to wear a Burqa.


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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby CognitiveDistoibance » Tue Sep 28, 2010 9:03 pm

Obama Talks About His Faith

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But the religion question was perhaps the most revealing for the president – and also perhaps the most welcome, given that polls show that the public appears confused about his religion, with some 18 percent of Americans believing, erroneously, that he is Muslim.

“I’m a Christian by choice,” the president said. “My family, frankly, they weren’t folks who went to church every week. My mother was one of the most spiritual people I knew but she didn’t raise me in the church, so I came to my Christian faith later in life and it was because the precepts of Jesus Christ spoke to me in terms of the kind of life that I would want to lead. Being my brothers and sisters’ keeper, treating others as they would treat me, and I think also understanding that Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to the humility we all have to have as human beings, that we’re sinful and we’re flawed and we make mistakes and we achieve salvation through the grace of God.”

Mr. Obama went on: “But what we can do, as flawed as we are, is still see God in other people, and do our best to help them find their own grace. That’s what I strive to do, that’s what I pray to do every day.’’ Yet he said that as president, he also “deeply believes that part of the bedrock strength of this country is that it embraces people of many faiths and of no faith.’’

Best I can tell, not only does "the public appear confused about his religion", so is he. A few observations...

  • The precepts of Jesus Christ do not a Christian make. The person of Jesus Christ is another matter.
  • The "kind of life I would want to lead" is bass-ackwards. The whole point is Jesus Christ leads your life--not you.
  • "Being my brothers and sisters’ keeper": *Citations needed* where Jesus said that. (Cain, on the other hand...)
  • "treating others as they would treat me": Ummm.... no. Try: "treating others as I would have them treat me" (and that, whether or not they actually do so).
  • "Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to ..." (convoluted)
  • "see God in other people": Good news, Pasta! More avatars! :wink:
  • "help them find their own grace.": Ummm... no. It's God's grace they need to find.
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Michael » Wed Sep 29, 2010 2:19 am

That's the trouble with professions of faith- as the (recently-beatified) John Henry Newman pointed out, if someone subscribes to any profession, one then has to ask, in what sense they hold it and so on, in a perpetual regress.
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Simple Minded » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:10 pm

I just heard a clip of Dennis Miller:

"Barack Obama has recently doubled down on the surge in Afghanistan and now he is talking about his faith. It seems to me like most scared people.........He is clinging to his God and guns!!!!"
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby Simple Minded » Wed Sep 29, 2010 8:20 pm

CognitiveDistoibance wrote:Best I can tell, not only does "the public appear confused about his religion", so is he. A few observations...

  • The precepts of Jesus Christ do not a Christian make. The person of Jesus Christ is another matter.
  • The "kind of life I would want to lead" is bass-ackwards. The whole point is Jesus Christ leads your life--not you.
  • "Being my brothers and sisters’ keeper": *Citations needed* where Jesus said that. (Cain, on the other hand...)
  • "treating others as they would treat me": Ummm.... no. Try: "treating others as I would have them treat me" (and that, whether or not they actually do so).
  • "Jesus Christ dying for my sins spoke to ..." (convoluted)
  • "see God in other people": Good news, Pasta! More avatars! :wink:
  • "help them find their own grace.": Ummm... no. It's God's grace they need to find.


That's weird.... :? :?

I thought you Christians were supposed to stick up for each other...... :wink: :wink: :wink:
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Re: President Obama Is Not Even A Muslim

Postby CognitiveDistoibance » Wed Sep 29, 2010 9:46 pm

Simple Minded wrote:I thought you Christians were supposed to stick up for each other...... :wink: :wink: :wink:

Yeah. Let's just say I'm not interested in him being my keeper... :wink:
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