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Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Spengler » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:51 am

Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ? on the Spengler Blog


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One of the central tropes of Islamic responses to Christianity is that the Qur'an is not the Muslim equivalent of the Christian scriptures, but of Christ. Thus Mahmoud A. Ayoub says:

The Qur'an is, for Muslims, the literal and timeless divine Word which entered our time. It became a book which Muslims write down, memorize, recite, and live by. The Qur'an is therefore analogous to Christ in Christianity, who is the eternal Logos that was made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1: 14).

But already, one must observe that Ayoub is consolidating disparate elements. True, theologically aware Christians understand that Jesus Christ is the divine Word, and the Christian Scriptures only approximate the eternal Logos in their inscripturated mode. But Christians do not "write down, memorize, recite" the Logos. Many Protestants, especially in the fundamentalist Protestant and evangelical traditions do "write down, memorize, recite" their Scriptures, just as Ayoub says Muslims do with the Qur'an. So already the analogy begins to break down.

So perhaps we can say that the Qur'an is analogous to Christ in being the eternal Word of Christians, but analogous to the Bible of biblicistic evangelicals in being a transcendental text, whose content must ritually internalized (through memorization and repetition) and lived out.

Moreover, Ayoub immediately observes another significant difference:
Christ is God's self-revelation or disclosure through incarnation. Hence, the Word was with God and the Word was God (John 1: 1). The Qur'an, on the other hand, is the revelation of God's will and purpose for humanity. Although the Qur'an shares in divine transcendence, God remains the wholly other, absolutely transcendent lord over his entire creation.

Christian theologians can quibble with the first part of Ayoub's presentation, since "divine 'self-revelation'" appears to be specifically Barthian. Still, most Christian theologians would agree that Jesus Christ, the second person of the Trinity, directly and fully reveals the nature of his heavenly Father.

Thus, the difference observed by Ayoub is between a revelation of God in a supernatural being, and a revelation of God in a text. I once saw a Christian missionary, experienced in Christian-Muslim dialog, illustrate the Muslim view of Qur'anic revelation this way: he hid behind the podium, while extending a text to our view. The Qur'an does not reveal God himself. God remains "wholly other," utterly wrapped in the transcendental mystery of his being. All that the Muslim knows is...God has revealed this text.

In contrast, even a biblicist Protestant who memorizes the Bible, who finds a solution to every problem or question in some text, no matter how obscure, and moreover can locate Philippians 4:12 in 3 seconds flat, believes that both Old and New Testaments is the revelation of the God who is known through Jesus Christ. He knows that the God of the Bible is his Father, because he has a relationship with Jesus Christ, his Son. So the analogy breaks down further.

The content of the Christian Bible can be understood in a variety of ways: biblicists would say something like, the story of God's people, both in Old and New Testaments; someone more historically inclined might say, the history of God's revelation in the history of the Israelites, and the mission and fate of Jesus, and interpretation of Jesus's death and resurrection in the first generation of his followers; someone familiar with canonical criticism would simply say: the content of the Bible is Christ himself.

What all these views have in common is a sense of "salvation-history" (even if critically unsophisticated), and the location of the hermeneutical center of that history in "Jesus Christ," as a transformative, "saving" presence and power.

In comparing this with the Qur'an, the first problem is that the Qur'an is historically flat. It simply consists of a series of sermons, stories, religious proclamations, harangues by some unknown authority within the community. To make sense of those sermons, stories and proclamations requires a subsidiary history, created by the later Muslim tradition.

A naive reader could pull a dusty Bible as an utterly obscure text off the shelves of an antiquarian library and discover a "history," with apparent narrative continuity from beginning to end. A more sophisticated reader with some consciousness of the text's canonical complexity could read the separate components--the Hebrew Scriptures, the Gospels, or Acts together with the Epistles-- directly without any intermediary apparatus, and get some sense of the "story" they purport to tell. One cannot do that with the Qur'an. The familiar stories associated with events supposedly at Mecca and Medina cannot be directly connected to the Qur'anic texts. (They can be read into those texts--which is what traditional Islamic history does--but they cannot be read out of the texts.)

When one does read the Qur'an directly, the first thing one observes is its self-referential textuality. It is aware of being a book: After Surah 1, which acts as an "Opening" or "Exordium," Surah 2 begins with "This is a Book, wherein is no doubt,...." and Surah 3, "He has sent down upon thee the Book,...." The word for "Book" is not qur'an, which means "recitation," but kitab. The Qur'an is spoken and written in a world of authoritative religious texts, and claims to partake of that authority: 3:3 continues, "...the Book,/ with the truth, confirming what was before it...." (All translations are from The Koran Interpreted, by A. J. Arberry, although I will use traditional versification, which Arberry does not strictly follow.)

The opening surahs contain very little of a traditional religious proclamation. Rather, they are primarily summons to acceptance of the "book's" authority and obedience of its directives. In short, it summons various groups of people to islam: submission. Surah 3 primarily appeals to the Jews ("Israelites"), Surah 4 includes some references to Christians. But by the end of Surah 5, the spokesman has given up on both groups: Jews will receive “degradation / in this world; and in the world to come awaits them a mighty chastisement (5.41)”; and Christians who continue to insist that “‘God is the Messiah, Mary’s son,’” are condemned as “unbelievers” (5.17) or, in another translation, "blasphemers".

Now that the putative author/prophet has given up on the Jews and Christians as possible allies and participants in the new Muslim community, he turns to the pagans in Surah 6. He tries to convince them that nature is the manifestation of a single deity. And what is his evidence?
It is God who splits the grain and the date-stone, / brings forth the living from the dead; He / brings forth the dead too from the living. / So that then is God; then how are you perverted? / He splits the sky into dawn, / and has made the night for a response, / and the sun and moon for a reckoning. / That is the ordaining of the All-mighty, the All-knowing. / It is He who has appointed for you the stars, that / by them you might be guided in / the shadows of land and sea. / We have distinguished the signs for a people who know. / It is He who produced you from one living soul, / and then a lodging place, / and then a repository. / We have distinguished the signs for a people who understand. / It is He who sent down out of heaven water, and / thereby We have brought forth / the shoot of every plant, / and then We have brought forth the green leaf of it, / bringing forth from it / close-compounded grain, / and out of the palm-tree, from the spathe of it, / dates thick-clustered, / ready to the hand, and / gardens of vines,/ olives, pomegranates, / like each to each, and / each unlike to each. / Look upon their fruits when they fructify and ripen! / Surely, in all this are signs for a people who do believe. (vv. 95-99)

Pagans had always known these things. But they had never experienced the multifarious phenomena of life as signs for a singular divine power. No wonder that his pagan listeners "cried it lies" (v. 66, see vv. 25-34). The spokesman assumes a posture of revelation, without giving any evidence that revelation is the means for knowing about this ostensibly unitary divine power. The concept of revelation assumed in the Qur'an, borrowed from Judaism and Christianity, is simply alien to a pagan. Jews and Christians rejected the authority of the Qur'an because it claimed to replace the authority Jews and Christians already had in their scriptures and traditions. Pagans rejected it because they did not understand the authority of revelation itself.

The Qur'anic text is not only historically flat, but narratively flat. The narratives--many of them odd retellings of biblical accounts or Jewish or Christian fairy tales--are not really narratives at all, but simply accounts with moments of wonder and awe. Surah 18 is an interesting example. It consists of several separate anecdotes. The first is a middle eastern version of the story that Americans know as “Rip Van Winkle”: a group of men fall asleep in a cave for many years, waking up to a changed world. There is general agreement that the legend is based on ”the seven sleepers of Ephesus,” a apocryphal Christian story that developed sometime after the fifth century. The Qur'an's point is that it is "among our signs / a wonder (v. 9)." It draws no moral from the story, other than it is a ripping good tale. (The Christian purpose for the tale seems to be a defense of the the dogma of the resurrection of the body.) So the Qur'an expropriates a Christian fairy-tale as evidence of its own authority, simply because it can tell the story.

This characteristic is even clearer in the next anecdote: a story about Moses and his "page" (traditionally translated "servant"). Moses gets wanderlust: "I will not give up until I reach / the meeting of the two seas,... (v. 60)" The journey has no goal, other than to  get to the next anecdote. They forget a fish, and it slips away "burrowing" "into the sea". Only a verse later do we learn that the fish was intended for a meal.(v. 62). When Moses asks for the fish, the page responds:
What thinkest thou? When we / took refuge in the rock, then I /forgot the fish--and it was Satan / himself that made me forget / so that I should not remember it-- / and so it took its way into the sea in manner marvellous.’ Said he, “This is what we were / seeking!’ And so they returned / upon their tracks, retracing them. (18.63-64).

The anecdotes, both the specific story, as well as its components, have no narrative continuity. The story nowhere tells us about Moses and his page taking "refuge in the rock," so we cannot know how that act contributed to the plot. It is introduced out of thin air, and just as directly disappears. The servant's memory lapse has no explanation than, literally, "the devil made me do it," and the missing fish does not change the story or alter its outcome. The missing fish in no way advances the story or enables the plot. It is told, apparently, for the sheer joy of the telling. It is told because it is "marvellous."

I asked earlier what is the content of the Qur'an? The answer is that its content is the mere act of telling. It is a "marvellous" proclamation and "a wonder," a "sign" that demands submission, "islam". That is why to this day the central expression of Qur'anic piety is its "recitation," as  illustrated here.

The apparent similarities of the Qur'an with Christ and a biblicistic view of scripture only exist at the most general level of abstraction. Yes, the Qur'an is believed to be the very word of God, just as Christ is the Logos. Yes, Muslims ritually incorporate the Qur'an into their religious lives in ways similar to biblicistic Protestants. But the internal content, both of Christ-the-Word, and of an internalized Bible, remains incommensurate.

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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Sabba Hillel » Fri Aug 27, 2010 11:44 am

An interesting point is seen when they change the "sacrifice of Isaac" into the "sacrifice of Ishmael". The future prophets all come from Isaac even though they pretend that Ishmael is the "true heir" of Abraham. There is no effect of the story on Ishmael and any meaning disappears. The whole point of the slavery on Egypt, the Exodus, and the giving of the Torah show that the change in the "sacrifice" story is meaningless and is contradicted by the fact that the rest of history ignores the children of Ishmael.
Said the fox to the fish, "Join me ashore and be safe from the fishermen"
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby charleston » Fri Aug 27, 2010 3:40 pm

Sabba Hillel wrote:An interesting point is seen when they change the "sacrifice of Isaac" into the "sacrifice of Ishmael". The future prophets all come from Isaac even though they pretend that Ishmael is the "true heir" of Abraham. There is no effect of the story on Ishmael and any meaning disappears. The whole point of the slavery on Egypt, the Exodus, and the giving of the Torah show that the change in the "sacrifice" story is meaningless and is contradicted by the fact that the rest of history ignores the children of Ishmael.


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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby CognitiveDistoibance » Fri Aug 27, 2010 4:04 pm

Spengler wrote:Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ? on the Spengler Blog
by David Layman
One of the central tropes of Islamic responses to Christianity is that the Qur'an is not the Muslim equivalent of the Christian scriptures, but of Christ. Thus Mahmoud A. Ayoub says:
The Qur'an is, for Muslims, the literal and timeless divine Word which entered our time. It became a book which Muslims write down, memorize, recite, and live by. The Qur'an is therefore analogous to Christ in Christianity, who is the eternal Logos that was made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1: 14).

But already, one must observe that Ayoub is consolidating disparate elements. True, theologically aware Christians understand that Jesus Christ is the divine Word, and the Christian Scriptures only approximate the eternal Logos in their inscripturated mode. But Christians do not "write down, memorize, recite" the Logos. Many Protestants, especially in the fundamentalist Protestant and evangelical traditions do "write down, memorize, recite" their Scriptures, just as Ayoub says Muslims do with the Qur'an. So already the analogy begins to break down.

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I 'spose I'm merely a biblicist Protestant, but IMHO the Quran == Christ assertion isn't worth expending many pixels to refute. I'd just ask him to get back to me when the Quran dies a substitionary death for me. :?

    Revealing God, God's revelation, being God, or just being a disjointed set of marvelous stories are all swell things, but if that's all that's in view, I'm a bit underwhelmed. After all, I've still got this sin monkey on my back...
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Michael » Sat Aug 28, 2010 7:13 am

CognitiveDistoibance wrote:
Spengler wrote:Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ? on the Spengler Blog
by David Layman
One of the central tropes of Islamic responses to Christianity is that the Qur'an is not the Muslim equivalent of the Christian scriptures, but of Christ. Thus Mahmoud A. Ayoub says:
The Qur'an is, for Muslims, the literal and timeless divine Word which entered our time. It became a book which Muslims write down, memorize, recite, and live by. The Qur'an is therefore analogous to Christ in Christianity, who is the eternal Logos that was made flesh and dwelt among us (John 1: 14).

But already, one must observe that Ayoub is consolidating disparate elements. True, theologically aware Christians understand that Jesus Christ is the divine Word, and the Christian Scriptures only approximate the eternal Logos in their inscripturated mode. But Christians do not "write down, memorize, recite" the Logos. Many Protestants, especially in the fundamentalist Protestant and evangelical traditions do "write down, memorize, recite" their Scriptures, just as Ayoub says Muslims do with the Qur'an. So already the analogy begins to break down.

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I 'spose I'm merely a biblicist Protestant, but IMHO the Quran == Christ assertion isn't worth expending many pixels to refute. I'd just ask him to get back to me when the Quran dies a substitionary death for me. :?

    Revealing God, God's revelation, being God, or just being a disjointed set of marvelous stories are all swell things, but if that's all that's in view, I'm a bit underwhelmed. After all, I've still got this sin monkey on my back...

I absolutely agree.

St Athanasius says in the De Incarnatione that if God's sole purpose had been self-revelation, he would not have taken human form, at all. The Church Fathers call the Incarnation an "Economy," the word used by St Paul in Ephesians and often tranlated "dispensation," in English versions. Their underlying idea is that the various economies or dispensations are but condescensions to the infirmity and peculiarity of our minds, shadowy representations of realities which are incomprehensible to creatures such as ourselves. Thus it is applied by the Fathers, to the history of Christ's humiliation, as exhibited in the doctrines of His incarnation, ministry, atonement, exaltation, and mediatorial sovereignty, and, as such distinguished from the "theologia" or the collection of truths relative to His personal indwelling in the bosom of God. We have only to consider our Lord's eartly life, to consider the dangers, either of presumption, or sheer terrified inaction had he revealed then the full truth of His divine nature. This, too, was a divine economy or dispensation.

In short, they are ineffable mysteries that we believe with a sure confidence in the love of Him who cannot deceive, and who has impressed the image and thought of Himself and of His will upon our original nature. As St Paul says, "Now we see, in a glass, darkly..."

Of course, this is not to say that our capacity to enter into these truths cannot be increased by grace; perhaps, this is the meaning of the saying that he who does the Father's will shall know the doctrine and of the Psalmist, when he says "in your light, we shall see light."

Even the most thorough-going biblicist believes himself to be united to Christ and enlightened by the personal indewlling of the Holy Spirit, the Paraclete.

The only way I can make any sense of the claim that the Qur'an is analogous to Christ, is if it is seen as, in some sense, the occasion of an encounter with the Divine, in which case we are really talking about some kind of private revelation (which I do not rule out, on principle), but I fail to see how this can constitute a "People of God," without some doctine of divine immanence or mystical union, which would take us into deep waters.
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby lzzrdgrrl » Sat Aug 28, 2010 3:34 pm

So..... is the charge as made by certain polemists that Islam is a Christian heresy, true? :? ........
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby CognitiveDistoibance » Sat Aug 28, 2010 6:35 pm

lzzrdgrrl wrote:So..... is the charge as made by certain polemists that Islam is a Christian heresy, true? :? ........

I have no earthly idea what it is that you are saying here.

    This is not unusual, carry on. :wink:
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Michael » Sun Aug 29, 2010 4:42 am

lzzrdgrrl wrote:So..... is the charge as made by certain polemists that Islam is a Christian heresy, true? :? ........

Well, that it draws on Judeo-Christian sources is certainly true and there is a old story that, when he was 14, Mohammed and his uncle, Abu Thaleb, lodged with one Sergius, a Nestorian monk, when visiting the fairs of Syria. Nestorians, of course, were shaky on the divinity of Christ; Hestorius, himself, certainly was, although the Roman Catholic Church recognises that the present-day Assyrian Church holds the same belief as we do, expressed in different language. Whether or not he had any direct contact with Jews, I, or whether his knowledge of the OT was mediated through Christian sources, I do not know

In the sense that heresy is, by definition, eclectic (αἱρέσεσις = choice), then, yes, Islam is a Christian heresy.

I would go further. I would suggest it is its judeo-christian elements that provide it with the devotional and moral power it unddoubtedly has to elicit the fatih of millions of its adherent. Nor would I be disposed to deny that God's freely-given grace uses these elements as an occasion, in His hidden work in their souls.
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Spengler » Sun Aug 29, 2010 7:58 am

The trouble with heresies is that they may retain sufficient characteristics of the original so as to be confusing. Islam is not exactly a Christian heresy, nor a Jewish one, but (in my view) the adoption of surface elements of both religions to repackage paganism. Prof. Sven Kalisch of Muenster made a good case that Islam really is the old Gnosticism:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JK18Aa01.html

I don't know if we should call Gnosticism a Christian heresy so much as a pre-existing ideology that got entangled with Christianity and had to be disentangled.

The Qu'ran certainly isn't the Torah, which above all is a conversation with God (which is why Rabbi Lord Sacks calls his continuing commentary on the weekly Torah readings "Covenant and Conversations"); covenant implies divine-human partnership. But it surely adopts a great deal from the Torah.

I agree with David Layman that the Qu'ran cannot be analogous to Incarnation; Rosenzweig says contemptuously that God makes manifest his presence on earth and leaves us with -- a book?
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby potkas7 » Sun Aug 29, 2010 8:29 am

Is Islam a Christian Heresy? There are those who say it is an offshoot of the Nestorian Heresy, but there are other opinions, such as those espoused by the Oriental Scholar John Wansbrough and the Archeologist Yehuda Nevo, who see the development of the Traditional Account of Muhammad and the rise of Islam as being a unifying mythos tracking the emergence of an Arab national identity in the wake of the Byzantine Empire withdrawing its power and influence from the Provinces of Syria - Palaestina. This, says Nevo, was a matter of Imperial policy, and not armed conflict as recounted in Islam's traditional narrative.

These scholars divide Islam into three phases: the first is an Indeterminate Monotheism redolent with Jewish and Judeo-Christian influences; the second they call Muhammadanism where the figure of Muhammad appears but in the role of a legendary First King of the Arabs; and lastly the emergence of Islam as the official state religion.

Nevo proposes this chronology based on what he called the "Argumentum e Silentio," the argument from silence, meaning there are no rock inscriptions, epigraphs or coins indicating the existence of a uniquely Arab confession before circa the 690s AD, i.e. some 60 years after the generally accepted date of the Prophet's death.
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Re: Is the Qur'an Analogous to Christ?

Postby Michael » Mon Aug 30, 2010 3:13 am

Spengler wrote:The trouble with heresies is that they may retain sufficient characteristics of the original so as to be confusing. Islam is not exactly a Christian heresy, nor a Jewish one, but (in my view) the adoption of surface elements of both religions to repackage paganism. Prof. Sven Kalisch of Muenster made a good case that Islam really is the old Gnosticism:

http://www.atimes.com/atimes/Front_Page/JK18Aa01.html

I don't know if we should call Gnosticism a Christian heresy so much as a pre-existing ideology that got entangled with Christianity and had to be disentangled.

The Qu'ran certainly isn't the Torah, which above all is a conversation with God (which is why Rabbi Lord Sacks calls his continuing commentary on the weekly Torah readings "Covenant and Conversations"); covenant implies divine-human partnership. But it surely adopts a great deal from the Torah.

I agree with David Layman that the Qu'ran cannot be analogous to Incarnation; Rosenzweig says contemptuously that God makes manifest his presence on earth and leaves us with -- a book?

Gnosticism is a bit of a puzzle. In one sense, it appears to be a perennnial bent of the human imagination. It certainly underlies Neo-Platonism. Now Philo of Alexandria is a younger contemporary of Jesus and Plotinus's life virtually spans the 2nd century CE. Plotinus's circle certainly included both Jews and Christians, how orthdox, it is impossible to say.

Then again, the mystery religions of Egyptian and Syrian origin were full of it.

I would call it a strand or influence in Christian thinking, usually, but by no means always heretical, in the sense of contradicting orthodox doctrine.

By and large, I agree with your assessment. It is essentialy a pastiche. There appears to be no Christian or Jewish core to it
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