Muslim Pogrom Against Egyptian Coptic Christians: Hardening of Lines in the Muslim Brotherhood

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Muslim Pogrom Against Egyptian Coptic Christians: Hardening of Lines in the Muslim Brotherhood on the Spengler Blog


by David P. Goldman


Escalating violence against Egyptian Coptic Christians coincides with a hardening of lines inside Egypt's banned Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas is officially the Gaza branch of the MB).

From a poster at this blog's Forum:

Egypt (AINA) -- Egyptian security forces have intensified their presence in the Upper Egyptian town of Dairout, in anticipation of a recurrence of Muslim violence against Christians. Copts expressed their fear over leaflets entitled "These have to Die!" which are being distributed to all Muslims in Dairout and neighborhoods, enticing them to "burn, vandalize and clean the country of these evil immoral infidels."

Reports from Dairout, 313 km south of Cairo, confirm that Christian Copts are afraid to leave their homes and have stayed indoors since violence against them erupted on October 24, 2009. This collective punishment of Copts was caused by an illicit sexual relationship between a Muslim girl, Hagger Hassouna, and the Christian Romany Farouk Attallah. It was rumored that he sent videos of them intimately together to cell phones in Dairout before fleeing. This prompted the Hassouna family to kill his father, Farouk Attallah, on October 19, 2009, in revenge. Four of the Hassouna killers were detained by prosecution, leading to Muslim riots against the Copts (AINA 10-27-2009) .

According to Wagih Yacoub of the Middle East Christian Assosiation (MECA), Muslim-owned businesses are now displaying stickers with 'Allah Akbar' (Allah is Great) to differentiate between them and Coptic-owned businesses, as a form of pre-planning for a forthcoming wave of Muslim violence.

Handwritten leaflets (Arabic) have been circulated among Muslims in Dairout for the last two days; they call on Muslims to unite to take revenge for their religion and honor, claiming that Hagger Hassouna is innocent and that she was forced into vice, and "all Jews and Christians should come to learn that Muslim honor is precious." The fliers state that Muslims are the masters of the world since beginning of times until the present day, and entices them to "burn and vandalize and clean the country of the evil immoral infidels."

It also calls on Muslims to take revenge for the "rings of prostitution" which are the churches and in particular the church in the village of Ezbet Hanna. Those specifically named to be killed are Reverend Pavlos of the Church of the Virgin Mary, Coptic lawyer Gamal Youssef, two brothers who own an optometry practice, and a Copt who owns a beauty saloon and photography shop.

Muslims are asked to die for their honor and they will be rewarded with eternal paradise. "Do not say it is a matter of just a girl, no, it is a public and a serious issue, it is the biggest issue, it is Islam's issue." A transcript of the the leaflet (in Arabic) is published on Copts United website.

On Saturday, October, 31 the four Muslims accused of killing Farouk Attallah are expected appear in court again. A repeat of the Muslim mob violence which took place on October 24 is anticipated should prosecution extend their detainment once again.

Something deeper, and more ominous, appears to be at work here.

According to the English-language weekly edition of Al-Ahram, the leading Egyptian newspaper, a major shakeup inside the Muslim Brotherhood will harden ideological lines against Egypt's Christian minority:

It would be no exaggeration to say that the resignation of the Muslim Brotherhood's (MB) supreme guide (or more accurately his delegation of his responsibilities to his deputy) has ushered in the worst leadership crisis the Islamist organisation has experienced in over half a century.

Snip

The deeper effect of the crisis will be seen in greater organisational and ideological rigidity. The hardliners will probably engage in sweeping disciplinary measures, introduce stricter criteria for promotion, and continue their campaign to isolate and permanently sideline the reformist trend. The MB is thus on the threshold of another of its McCarthyist phases, such as that in 1996 targeting the sponsors of the Wasat Party, when a systematic campaign was launched to purge liberal-minded thinkers from the MB's rank and file.

At an ideological level, the impending witch hunt may lead to a long-term setback for reformist ideas within the group, especially given the unfavourable external circumstances. This may not translate into major ideological U-turns on such central issues as the renunciation of violence; instead, there will be a greater shift to more fundamentalist ideas, made manifest in the MB's official positions on such sensitive issues as the rights and status of women and Copts, as well as issues related to the arts, censorship, dress (the veil) and personal freedoms. This ideological direction will become clear after the conservatives and increasingly influential fundamentalists in the MB consolidate their alliance.

[AzariLoveIran]

Muslim Pogrom Against Egyptian Coptic Christians: Hardening of Lines in the Muslim Brotherhood on the Spengler Blog
by David P. Goldman
Escalating violence against Egyptian Coptic Christians coincides with a hardening of lines inside Egypt's banned Muslim fundamentalist organization, the Muslim Brotherhood (Hamas is officially the Gaza branch of the MB).

From a poster at this blog's Forum:
Egypt (AINA) -- Egyptian security forces have intensified their presence in the Upper Egyptian town of Dairout, in anticipation of a recurrence of Muslim violence against Christians. Copts expressed their fear over leaflets entitled "These have to Die!" which are being distributed to all Muslims in Dairout and neighborhoods, enticing them to "burn, vandalize and clean the country of these evil immoral infidels."


Reports from Dairout, 313 km south of Cairo, confirm that Christian Copts are afraid to leave their homes and have stayed indoors since violence against them erupted on October 24, 2009. This collective punishment of Copts was caused by an illicit sexual relationship between a Muslim girl, Hagger Hassouna, and the Christian Romany Farouk Attallah. It was rumored that he sent videos of them intimately together to cell phones in Dairout before fleeing. This prompted the Hassouna family to kill his father, Farouk Attallah, on October 19, 2009, in revenge. Four of the Hassouna killers were detained by prosecution, leading to Muslim riots against the Copts (AINA 10-27-2009) .According to Wagih Yacoub of the Middle East Christian Assosiation (MECA), Muslim-owned businesses are now displaying stickers with 'Allah Akbar' (Allah is Great) to differentiate between them and Coptic-owned businesses, as a form of pre-planning for a forthcoming wave of Muslim violence.Handwritten leaflets (Arabic) have been circulated among Muslims in Dairout for the last two days; they call on Muslims to unite to take revenge for their religion and honor, claiming that Hagger Hassouna is innocent and that she was forced into vice, and "all Jews and Christians should come to learn that Muslim honor is precious." The fliers state that Muslims are the masters of the world since beginning of times until the present day, and entices them to "burn and vandalize and clean the country of the evil immoral infidels."It also calls on Muslims to take revenge for the "rings of prostitution" which are the churches and in particular the church in the village of Ezbet Hanna. Those specifically named to be killed are Reverend Pavlos of the Church of the Virgin Mary, Coptic lawyer Gamal Youssef, two brothers who own an optometry practice, and a Copt who owns a beauty saloon and photography shop.Muslims are asked to die for their honor and they will be rewarded with eternal paradise. "Do not say it is a matter of just a girl, no, it is a public and a serious issue, it is the biggest issue, it is Islam's issue." A transcript of the the leaflet (in Arabic) is published on Copts United website.On Saturday, October, 31 the four Muslims accused of killing Farouk Attallah are expected appear in court again. A repeat of the Muslim mob violence which took place on October 24 is anticipated should prosecution extend their detainment once again.
Something deeper, and more ominous, appears to be at work here.

According to the English-language weekly edition of Al-Ahram, the leading Egyptian newspaper, a major shakeup inside the Muslim Brotherhood will harden ideological lines against Egypt's Christian minority:
It would be no exaggeration to say that the resignation of the Muslim Brotherhood's (MB) supreme guide (or more accurately his delegation of his responsibilities to his deputy) has ushered in the worst leadership crisis the Islamist organisation has experienced in over half a century.

Snip
The deeper effect of the crisis will be seen in greater organisational and ideological rigidity. The hardliners will probably engage in sweeping disciplinary measures, introduce stricter criteria for promotion, and continue their campaign to isolate and permanently sideline the reformist trend. The MB is thus on the threshold of another of its McCarthyist phases, such as that in 1996 targeting the sponsors of the Wasat Party, when a systematic campaign was launched to purge liberal-minded thinkers from the MB's rank and file.
At an ideological level, the impending witch hunt may lead to a long-term setback for reformist ideas within the group, especially given the unfavourable external circumstances. This may not translate into major ideological U-turns on such central issues as the renunciation of violence; instead, there will be a greater shift to more fundamentalist ideas, made manifest in the MB's official positions on such sensitive issues as the rights and status of women and Copts, as well as issues related to the arts, censorship, dress (the veil) and personal freedoms. This ideological direction will become clear after the conservatives and increasingly influential fundamentalists in the MB consolidate their alliance.

Egypt was conquered for Arabs by Fatemiyah dynasty . . Fatemeh Zahra . . SHIA

Al-Azhar University in reality a SHIA

Meaning Egypt in reality should be SHIA

[charleston]

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Egypt was conquered for Arabs by Fatemiyah dynasty . . Fatemeh Zahra . . SHIA

Al-Azhar University in reality a SHIA

Meaning Egypt in reality should be SHIA

with or without Ali, it is all the same
the nuance between shia violence and sunni violence is only important to you
on



worshipping BAAl the perfect icon for islam

by the way, ASHURA is described in the BIble 1Kings:18

25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal: 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under.'
26
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal, answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made.
27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.'
28
And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29
And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening offering; but their was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
30
And Elijah said unto all the people: 'Come near unto me'; and all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of HaShem that was thrown down.
31
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of HaShem came, saying: 'Israel shall be thy name.'
32
And with the stones he built an altar in the name of HaShem; and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
33
And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid it on the wood.
34
And he said: 'Fill four jars with water, and pour it on the burnt-offering, and on the wood.' And he said: 'Do it the second time'; and they did it the second time. And he said: 'Do it the third time'; and they did it the third time.
35
And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
36
And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening offering, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said: 'O HaShem, the G-d of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that Thou art G-d in Israel, and that I am Thy servant, and that I have done all these things at Thy word.
37
Hear me, O HaShem, hear me, that this people may know that Thou, HaShem, art G-d, for Thou didst turn their heart backward.'
38
Then the fire of HaShem fell, and consumed the burnt-offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
39
And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said: 'The HaShem, He is G-d; HaShem, He is G-d.'
40
And Elijah said unto them: 'Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape.' And they took them; and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

[AzariLoveIran]

AzariLoveIran


Egypt was conquered for Arabs by Fatemiyah dynasty . . Fatemeh Zahra . . SHIA

Al-Azhar University in reality a SHIA

Meaning Egypt in reality should be SHIA

with or without Ali, it is all the same
the nuance between shia violence and sunni violence is only important to you
on



worshipping BAAl the perfect icon for islam

by the way, ASHURA is described in the BIble 1Kings:18

25 And Elijah said unto the prophets of Baal: 'Choose you one bullock for yourselves, and dress it first; for ye are many; and call on the name of your god, but put no fire under.'
26
And they took the bullock which was given them, and they dressed it, and called on the name of Baal from morning even until noon, saying: 'O Baal, answer us.' But there was no voice, nor any that answered. And they danced in halting wise about the altar which was made.
27
And it came to pass at noon, that Elijah mocked them, and said: 'Cry aloud; for he is a god; either he is musing, or he is gone aside, or he is in a journey, or peradventure he sleepeth, and must be awaked.'
28
And they cried aloud, and cut themselves after their manner with swords and lances, till the blood gushed out upon them.
29
And it was so, when midday was past, that they prophesied until the time of the offering of the evening offering; but their was neither voice, nor any to answer, nor any that regarded.
30
And Elijah said unto all the people: 'Come near unto me'; and all the people came near unto him. And he repaired the altar of HaShem that was thrown down.
31
And Elijah took twelve stones, according to the number of the tribes of the sons of Jacob, unto whom the word of HaShem came, saying: 'Israel shall be thy name.'
32
And with the stones he built an altar in the name of HaShem; and he made a trench about the altar, as great as would contain two measures of seed.
33
And he put the wood in order, and cut the bullock in pieces, and laid it on the wood.
34
And he said: 'Fill four jars with water, and pour it on the burnt-offering, and on the wood.' And he said: 'Do it the second time'; and they did it the second time. And he said: 'Do it the third time'; and they did it the third time.
35
And the water ran round about the altar; and he filled the trench also with water.
36
And it came to pass at the time of the offering of the evening offering, that Elijah the prophet came near, and said: 'O HaShem, the G-d of Abraham, of Isaac, and of Israel, let it be known this day that Thou art G-d in Israel, and that I am Thy servant, and that I have done all these things at Thy word.
37
Hear me, O HaShem, hear me, that this people may know that Thou, HaShem, art G-d, for Thou didst turn their heart backward.'
38
Then the fire of HaShem fell, and consumed the burnt-offering, and the wood, and the stones, and the dust, and licked up the water that was in the trench.
39
And when all the people saw it, they fell on their faces; and they said: 'The HaShem, He is G-d; HaShem, He is G-d.'
40
And Elijah said unto them: 'Take the prophets of Baal; let not one of them escape.' And they took them; and Elijah brought them down to the brook Kishon, and slew them there.

Re Egypt I was just stating a historical fact . . and not approving SHIA or any other religion . . I am SECULAR and against the business that all religions have become . .

[charleston]

of course, why else would you be post on a blog whose main interest is religion

[AzariLoveIran]

of course, why else would you be post on a blog whose main interest is religion

I am here for 3 reason

- To clarify, enlighten, defend issues re Iran

- To debate religious issues from a neutral point of view to show that Islam bashing is beating the wrong horse .. and to enlighten a religious audience about historical facts about the Abrahamite believes and Iran's place in that.

- The misinterpretation of West & East Civilization by illiterates masquerade as experts.

[Pastaneta]

Spengler:

there is absolutely no hope for the Muslim world. In most of the Middle East, traditionally the Christians and Jews have been the businessmen. By persecuting them, they are cutting their own foot.

Islam cannot coexist with modernity. And at the end, it will collapse.

[AzariLoveIran]

Spengler:

there is absolutely no hope for the Muslim world. In most of the Middle East, traditionally the Christians and Jews have been the businessmen. By persecuting them, they are cutting their own foot.

Islam cannot coexist with modernity. And at the end, it will collapse.

In ME, traditionally , only Christian & Jews businessman ??

ME persecuting Jew & Christians ??



One thing for sure , religion is on the way out

But

Anybody betting who will collapse first ??

[CognitiveDistoibance]

... illiterates mascarated as experts.

Or illiterates that massacre English spelling as they masquerade as experts...

[BWoB]

Among them He a spirit of frenzy sent,
Who hurt their minds,
and urged them on with mad desire
To call in haste for their destroyer.

[charleston]

... illiterates mascarated as experts.

Or illiterates that massacre English spelling as they masquerade as experts...

as he conflates a few facts among his fantasies

[Pastaneta]

Or illiterates that massacre English spelling as they masquerade as experts...

I like mascara on my English... Black...

[ChaimF3]

To those, especially in the UN, whose mantra is "Islam is a religion of peace". As soon as you convince the Muslims, I'm ready to believe it.

[Richard Greene]

worshipping BAAl the perfect icon for islam

In point of fact, the greatest abomination in the Tanach/OT was (and still is) considered child sacrifice, a hallmark of the cult of Baal, as well as present-day Iranian and Arab jihadis, who glorify terrorist homicide-bombings as "martyrdom operations".

[MWT]

Yet, despite all we know (and see with our lying eyes) about Islam, our government still allows tens of thousands of Muslims to immigrate and hands out thousands of student visas to Muslims. Furthermore, why do we think our experience with Muslims newcomers will be any different than what goes on in France or Britain?