Ibrahim wrote:I made several points in this respect. First, history shows that in practice Christian ethics are dualistic. That much is established fact. I think it is worth mentioning , but there isn't much of a discussion to be had beyond that.
In practice, ostensible "Christian" ethics are dualistic. As a matter of practice, much of what is ostensibly "Christian," simply isn't. In any event, Christian Scripture does not support a dualistic system. In other words, whatever dual ethical practice was, it wasn't "Christian" per Christian Scripture. If some clowns want to call themselves Christian, then start jumping off tall buildings and splat themselves all over the pavement, it doesn't mean jumping off tall buildings is "Christian."
Ibrahim wrote:Second, I described the Biblical examples of dual ethics for Jews and non-Jews, which goes beyond mere historical incident because the Bible itself describes these events, along with the divine sanction for them. Unless a Christian is willing to repudiate the Old Testament, and few are, then there exists within Christian scripture a precedent for treating unbelievers with different ethics than believers. Israel was not only permitted but instructed to slay and enslave members of other tribes at various times. Christians are, through miraculous means, members of the people of Israel. So it is not such a leap to create Christian justifications for dual ethics.
I'm afraid that is a bit of a stretch. I don't have the example list in my head, but I cannot imagine any sane Christian would not be willing to figuratively take a big red magic marker and mark off said passages as being not applicable to Christians now, nor in the future. That is true on lots of levels, but especially the whole "members of Israel" thing. I can break that down into more detail if you want*, but it doesn't mean Christians are going to replicate the children of Israel entering the promised land.
Ibrahim wrote:So, having a history that shows dual ethics in practice,
I'd reject that...
Ibrahim wrote:and have a set of scriptures that provide at least precedents if not justifications for dual ethics, I think it can safely be said that Christianity has dual ethics, or at the very least the potential for dual ethics.
can't accept that either.
* The biggest element is that Israel had government/military/territory components that "spiritual Israel" will never have--Jesus eschewed such.