Azure on "Coming To Terms With Christianity"

[Pastaneta]

http://www.hurryupharry.org/2009/05/01/ ... t-charges/

Ramadan is alleged to have declared that Islam prohibits homosexuality, which is ‘a disorder, a disequilibrium, a disfunction’. He is also said to have declared that ‘God has fixed a norm that means a man is intended for a woman, and a woman for a man’.

Regarding women’s public appearance he recommended that they take less care of their appearance, and behave with modesty (soberly). In the street, they should “garder toujours les yeux fixés sur le bitume” (keep their eyes fixed on the pavement).

http://www.terrorfinance.org/the_terror ... telli.html

According to a former informant for the Swiss intelligence who claims to have been recruited to infiltrate the Islamic Center of Geneva, managed by members of the Ramadan family, including Hani and Tariq, Ayman Al Zawahiri attended two meetings there in Geneva in March 1991.

The information was revealed this week in a Swiss German newspaper quoting the spy's own memos after a trip to Egypt he made in 2005 at the request of Hani Ramadan. His records show he was able to confirm at least one contact between Hani Ramadan and Ayman Al Zawahiri in March 1991; his information indicates "several trips" of Zawahiri in Geneva. It also mentions the fact that the Al Qaeda leader was holding a Swiss passport under the name of Amin Othan (one of Zawahiri known aliases is Amin Othman).

[charleston]

why don;t you cite some islamic scholars, from AUTHENTIC islamic religious traditions


I did, you ignored it, and are now lying by claiming that I did not. Do you normally behave this way? Or do you think it's alright because you are only behaving this way when addressing an "animal" and a "savage?"

you quote a BOOK written by one man

equivalent to an evidence DUMP

quote passage, and page

preferably find it online

and you have 4 schools of shariia to choose from (at the least)

[Ibrahim]

why don;t you cite some islamic scholars, from AUTHENTIC islamic religious traditions


I did, you ignored it, and are now lying by claiming that I did not. Do you normally behave this way? Or do you think it's alright because you are only behaving this way when addressing an "animal" and a "savage?"

you quote a BOOK written by one man

Yes, a book by an Islamic jurist. Not relevant? You didn't think you, so you didn't bother to comment, and Pastaneta quoted some article mocking the author. A typically productive exchange with you two.

[Ibrahim]

From what I know he seems very moderate.

LOL... He is a fanatic!

I don't typically read "campus watch" or any of the other websites where you get most of your information. I read a few articles by the man talking about the need for Islamic reform and condemning extremism. Those are, in my view, moderate positions. If he spends his spare time secretly plotting with extremists he doesn't write about it.


A quick Google search has just informed me that "campus watch" is run by Daniel Pipes.

[Ibrahim]

Jews (not to mention Christians), unlike Muslims, don't excute gays for committing sex crimes (i.e., having gay sex):

Christians, Jews, and Muslims have all done these things, and there has always been some religious justification for it. What is different is that Christian and Jewish nations are on average more modernized, industrialized, and thus secularized and therefore there is a greater tolerance of homosexuality.

Different views of homosexuality seem to have more to do with education and affluence than anything else, but there are exceptions to that as well.

On this forum you were the one using the term "fag" as an insult, and I was the one who found this out of place and distasteful.

[Pastaneta]

As usual, Islam as practiced in the Mideast is intolerant, barbaric and cruel to the nth degree when it comes to dealing with homosexuality.

and of women and of dhimmis and... and...

In short Islam is barbaric and cruel to the nth degree, like the Arab tribal society it enshrines as its model.

[Victor]

I can't say that the devil made me write this but I will blame "IT" on evil followers of the magnum spirit that I just gobble down. You know they should outlaw drinking because "IT" brings back too many mem0ries or brain cells that you just don't want to even think about.

After reading some of this stuff and probably because of the alien so called god spirit that I took into my body, "IT" reminded me of "one" of our pass Prime Minister who came to our city to find out if he should legalize same-sex in Canada. I had heard that he was going to meet in a "Pine Wood" park of some kind and for ten dollars, I could voice my opinion and tell them that I didn't agree with "IT" or else leave "IT" be.

I laughed to myself and still, "IT" did not stop there, I visioned while looking at the news and to make a long story short, His Holiness Pope John Paul 2 asking me to go to that meeting and voice my opinion but again I laughed while saying to myself, as if I could make a difference.

To top "IT" all, one of our five daughters who worked at a Canadian Time Horton told me that "Our Prime Minister's Convoy stopped at her work but he never went in. I simply thought to myself, well, he's a "Chretien" which stands for Christian in French. Let him worry about "IT".

I could go on and on but to make a long story short, I told my wife in so many words that if "The Harper Carpers" and opposition don't correct what our so called God seems to want corrected, I'll just cut this ring off my finger and if my wife doesn't like "IT", her spiritual sisters and friends could always have me committed to a mental hospital again for the last time.

I'll close by saying that "The Almighty Dollar" owns this world and I'm only flesh, bone and yes I still have blood in me and if you don't believe me just check with "The Senior Doctors". Humans really have nothing to fear from me, myself and I and our flesh but I can't say much about sinner vic cause before this 2012 movie was even thought of and as far as any of my brain cells are concerned that I know of, he's been telling me that he'll be blowing this world UP and sending U>S back to the ocean.

Personally I don't think that sinner vic is anymore reliable that this so called "Jesus Christ" that some "Jews" and other so called followers who call Him Lord and claim to believe in Him and personally with all "The Respect I can muster UP also and God forgive me cause if He's not for "Real" then that's the biggest con that was ever laid on "Humanity"

I hear ya! "IT" is not funny what a little alcohol can do to the human brain! Right Victor?

You mean "Spirits" don't you cause that's what "The Indians" use to call "IT"

God Bless,

Peace for Christmas if that's possible!

[Auerbach]

A number of uncivil posts, many of them either ad hominem or disparaging of religions, together with responses thereto, have been split from this thread and moved to the hidden Moderators' Board (for want of a "Pit" board on this forum).