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Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Spengler » Wed Mar 24, 2010 11:09 am

Obama's Alliance With Iran on the Spengler Blog


by David P. Goldman


Ralph Peters' op-ed in today's New York Post shows that our putative allies in Afghanistan as well as Iraq are in bed with Iran. He argues that it's a blunder. It will be a blunder, but it's actually Obama's policy, and it was spelled out by now Defense Secretary Gates and Zbignew Brzezinski back in 2004. It's as bad as Peters says it is, and then some.

"It's wretched enough that our 'friend' Ahmed Chalabi has become Iran's point man in Iraq. Now 'our man in Kabu,' President Hamid Karzai, is quietly shifting his loyalty to Tehran," Peters writes.

Peters continues:
Beyond Iranian President Mahmud Ahmedinejad's recent chummy visit to Karzai -- reported by the media but played down by Washington -- Iran's been training Taliban forces to kill our troops more efficiently.

Karzai hasn't complained. Nor has he objected to Tehran's expansion of its support for its clients in western Afghanistan. He wants that support for himself.

Where I disagree with Peters is in the matter of the administration's intent. In a March 16 "Spengler" column for Asia Times Online, I quoted State Department officials' on-record invitation to Iran to play a major role in Afghanistan. Getting Iran involved IS the administration's "exit strategy." Obama wants an ALLIANCE with Iran. And that's why he picked a fight with Netanyahu over the non-issue of apartment construction in a part of North Jerusalem that every draft piece plan agrees will remain Israeli. If Israel hits Iran's nuclear capacity, the deal is off.

As I wrote March 16:
Despite the enormous difference in outlook between the last administration and the present one, there is an underlying continuity in Washington's stance towards Iran, due to the facts on the ground put in place by Iran itself. I wrote on this site in October 2005, shortly after Ahmadinejad came to power:

I do not believe any formal understanding is in place, but the probable outcome is that Washington will refrain from military action to forestall any Iranian nuclear arms developments, while Tehran will refrain from disrupting Washington's constitutional Potemkin Village in Iraq. Tehran thinks strategically, as befits a country with a government newly elected by an overwhelming majority, while Washington thinks politically. President George W Bush is struggling to persuade the American public of the wisdom of his nation-building scheme in Iraq, and badly wants the Iranians to keep their hands in their pockets. Iran is prepared to do so as long as America keeps its opposition to its nuclear program within the confines of the diplomatic cul-de-sac defined by the International Atomic Energy Agency. (See A Syriajevo in the making?, Asia Times Online, October 25, 2005)

Nation-building in Iraq is the tar baby that has entrappedAmerican foreign policy. The notion that the United States should take responsibility for the political evolution of a country cooked up by British cartographers with the explicit purpose of keeping Sunni Arabs, Shi'ite Arabs and Kurds at each others' throats, ranks as one of the great political delusions of the past century. Since the American invasion in 2003, it always has been in Iran's power to make the country ungovernable. More important to Iran, though, is the potential acquisition of nuclear weapons. Should it become a nuclear power, Iran could set its cats' paws in Iraq, Lebanon and Afghanistan to whatever task it chose with far less fear of American retribution.

The Obama administration's abortive opening to Iran always aimed at obtaining Iranian help in stabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan, among other things by soliciting Tehran's good offices with the Shi'ite Hazara minority in Afghanistan. Iran has ties both to the Hazara as well as to their mortal enemies, the Sunni Taliban, and keeps its options open. Its prospective influence in Afghanistan is potent enough to panic the US - Secretary of Defense Robert Gates arrived in Kabul unannounced on March 8, the same day that Ahmadinejad was expected in the Afghan capital, prompting the Iranian president to postpone his trip by two days. Gates' unexpected trip was interpreted as a pre-emptive action against Iranian influence. Karzai embraced his Iranian counterpart as a friend and ally.

As Asia Times Online's M K Bhadrakumar wrote on March 13: "Karzai can hope to tap into Iran's influence with various Afghan groups, which traditionally focused on the Persian-speaking Tajiks and Hazara Shi'ites but today also extends to segments of the Pashtun population. Significantly, Ahmedinejad was received on Wednesday at Kabul airport by the Northern Alliance leader Mohammed Fahim, who has become the first vice president in Karzai's new government despite strong opposition from the US and Britain." (See A titanic power struggle in Kabul, Asia Times Online, March 13)

The United States responded to Ahmadinejad's Afghan visit by paying obeisance to Iran's influence. "The future of Afghanistan has a regional dimension and we hope that Iran will play a more constructive role in Afghanistan in the future," said US State Department spokesman Philip Crowley. He added in the past, the US and Iran have "cooperated constructively" and hoped that they would do so again, given that Iran has "a legitimate interest in the future of Afghanistan".

The answer to the question: "What is Obama's exit strategy from Afghanistan?" - is a Great Gamelet in which Iran and Pakistan work out a power-sharing arrangement in Afghanistan and establish a miniature balance of power between Sunnis and Shi'ites. All that is missing is Johnny Depp in Mad Hatter makeup replacing Richard Holbrooke as AfPak czar, distributing 3-D glasses to the diplomatic corps.

Outrageous, but true.

Solution to the next mystery: Why is General Petraeus going around saying that Israeli intransigence is putting American lives at risk in the Middle East?

In order to make Iraq look better than it was and to make Petraeus surge look like a success, the Bush administration made a conscious decision to treat Iran carefully -- Bush was as emphatic as Obama in dissuading the Israelis from striking Iranian nuclear capability.

Petraeus  made his reputation with the surge knowing perfectly well that if Iran wanted to jack up the list of US casualties, it could.

When he says that Israel is endangering American lives, the question is -- how? Who is going to kill Americans? The Egyptians are virtually allied with Israel now -- they let Israeli subs and missile boats through the Suez Canal. The only possible answer is: the Iranians, via their proxies in Iraq and Afghanistan. Provoke Iran, and Americans will die. JCS Chief Admiral Mullen has been saying the same thing for some time. These are officers whose careers advanced on the strength of a de facto deal with the Iranians and now they are stuck with it. And that's why they are dumping on Israel: if Israel hits Iran, the whole American "exit strategy" (based on a silly balance of power game involving Iran) falls apart.

Peters does a very good job of explaining why it will fall apart in any event:
Coming perhaps as early as this year (certainly within the next few years), the Karzai Compromise will at first look like this:

  • Karzai remains the titular head of the Kabul regime.

  • Iran "owns" Western Afghanistan.

  • Pakistan replaces the United States as the Kabul government's security guarantor.

  • NATO grabs the excuse of "national reconcilation" to head for home.

  • The United States won't be far behind NATO, although we'll continue to pour in aid to "avoid destabilizing the situation.".....

  • The Iranians and Pakistanis will struggle for influence. The next phase of the endless Afghan civil war will be a proxy fight between Tehran and Islamabad (alongside the internal factional warfare).

  • Al Qaeda will align with Pakistan, gaining clandestine sponsorship.

  • Karzai will be replaced by a tougher ruler backed by Pakistan, while the Iranian side elevates its own contender for power based in Herat.

  • India will side with Iran. China will support Pakistan.

  • Pakistan will find itself unable to control its Afghan proxies, after all. Another military regime will take power in Islamabad, as Pakistan finds itself bogged down in an Afghan morass and violence spreads at home.

  • The Taliban will outfight and outlast everybody.

  • As our troops surge slowly into Afghanistan to save the inept Karzai government, they may already be irrelevant. We're no longer in on the deal. Everybody knows it but us.



The last sentence, though, is quite wrong, in my judgment. "We" have known it all along. Defense Secretary Robert Gates and former Carter National Security Advisor Zbignew Brzezinski proposed to enlist Iran's help in stabilizing Iraq and Afghanistan in a 2004 report for the Council on Foreign Relations:
From the perspective of U.S.interests,one particular issue area appears particularly ripe for U.S.-Iranian engagement:the future of Iraq and Afghanistan.The United States has a direct and compelling interest in ensuring both countries’security and the success of their post-conflict governments.Iran has demonstrated its ability and readiness to use its influence constructively in these two countries, but also its capacity for making trouble.The United States should work with Tehran to capitalize on Iran’s influence to advance the stability and consolidation of its neighbors. This could commence via a resumption and expansion of the Geneva track discussions with Tehran on post-conflict Afghanistan and Iraq. Such a dialogue should be structured to obtain constructive Iranian involvement in the process of consolidating authority within the central governments and rebuilding the economies of both Iraq and Afghanistan.Regular contact with Iran would also provide a channel to address concerns that have arisen about its activities and relationships with competing power centers in both countries. These discussions should incorporate other regional power brokers,as well as Europe and Russia—much like the “Six Plus Two”negotiations on Afghanistan that took place in the years before the Taliban were ousted. A multilateral forum on the future of Iraq and Afghanistan would help cultivate confidence and would build political and economic relationships essential to the long-term durability of the new governments in Baghdad and Kabul (p. 45).

Obama is following Gates' and Brzezinski's recommendation to the letter, but also the point of absurdity. It is the stupidest, most reckless, and most destructive foreign policy action the United States has taken in my lifetime.

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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Wellington » Wed Mar 24, 2010 2:03 pm

Like I said some time ago - why not withdraw NATO & USA altogether and let India, Russia, China & Israel manage their own backyard issues.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Hakeem » Wed Mar 24, 2010 3:15 pm

Times are a changin'

Domino theory was just that; a theory.

America did get out...but with a bloody nose.

Did that change anything?

It's only natural that the US will eventually get "out" of the Iraq/Afghanistan mess. Will that change anything?

On one hand Iran is irrelevant...yet...on the other hand Iran is the destroyer.

So what?
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Spengler » Wed Mar 24, 2010 4:49 pm

I've never said the Iranians were stupid, and I've never believed the line that Ahmadinejad is an apocalyptic nutball. I've always pointed out that the Persians invented chess. They still appear to be good at it.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby fugitivevisions » Wed Mar 24, 2010 8:09 pm

I believe that Mr. Goldman is absolutely right about this unholy bilateral dependency unfolding between the US and Iran, which is even more absurd when you consider that the strategic aim of the Iraqi surge should have been above all to eliminate the Iranian nuclear threat. America possessed tremendous leverage over the the Iraqi Shia establishment on the verge of the surge on the strength that Bush had two more years to go, America was mending ties with Iraqi Sunnis and neighboring Sunni states, and still more boots were landing on the ground. In direct military confrontations with what was then still a nascent Shia military wing, America achieved kill ratio to the tune of hundreds to one. Anbar was pacifying itself without much American participation by the spring of '07, and America could have massed its troops to wipe out potential liabilities in the Shia areas to pave the way for an Iranian strike. Somewhere somebody dropped the ball. Did America underestimate the magnitude of the Iraqi Sunni awakening? Were certain American planners still averse to the prospect of favoring Iraqi Sunnis over the Shia, who seemed on the surface to embrace the political process more? Nobody knows. But America clearly missed its chance in early '07.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby MarcH » Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:24 pm

I thought that the take on GEN Petraeus' POV was a bit inaccurate. See article in Jerusalem Post for clarification (http://www.jpost.com/International/Arti ... ?id=171814). Here's a bit of it:

Commander of the United States Military’s Central Command (CENTCOM) Gen. David Petraeus telephoned IDF Chief of General Staff Lt.-Gen. Gabi Ashkenazi on Wednesday night to reassure Israel that comments attributed to him regarding supposed Israeli intransigence were spun out of context ... The report, he continued, included additional “perceptions” in the Middle East, which CENTCOM is responsible for, including the fact that Iranian President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad denies the Holocaust as well as Israel’s right to exist.

“So we have all the factors in there, but this is just one, and it was pulled out of this 56-page document, which was not what I read to the Senate at all,” he said.

During the brief press conference and following a question by American Spectator reporter Philip Klein, Petraeus revealed that he had called the IDF chief of staff, who he referred to as “Gabi” and and reassured him that the reports were inaccurate.
The IDF Spokesman’s Office confirmed that the two had spoken and officials said that the fact that Petraeus referred to Ashkenazi as “Gabi” was a likely sign of the close ties between the two generals.

Following the reports that emerged last week, Israeli defense official expressed grave concern with the remarks attributed to Petraeus warning that it could represent a downturn in Israeli-US military ties. Officials said Thursday that it was possible that the remarks, attributed to Petraeus, who has been touted as a possible Republican candidate in the 2012 elections, were purposely blown out of context by the Obama administration.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby charleston » Thu Mar 25, 2010 2:16 pm

http://news.yahoo.com/s/csm/20100324/cm_csm/289907/print;_ylt=An6U0RQg0athUwQ.VnlphaW7e8UF;_ylu=X3oDMTBvajZzaTFyBHBvcwMxNQRzZWMDdG9wBHNsawNwcmludA--

Los Angeles – Muslims use the word haram to describe any act forbidden under the rules of Islam. Ayatollah Ali Khamenei, the supreme leader of the Islamic Republic of Iran, recently declared that Iran could not possibly be working on a nuclear bomb because doing so would be haram.

“We have often said that our religious tenets and beliefs consider these kinds of weapons of mass destruction to be symbols of genocide and are, therefore, forbidden,” he asserted in February. “This is why we ... do not seek them.”
At a time when President Obama and Western allies are confronting Iran over its suspected nuclear program, some in the West took solace in the supreme leader’s assurance. Such solace is foolhardy.
First, Mr. Khamenei does not hold a sufficient position to declare any act as haram. Only a mujtahid, an Islamic scholar, has such authority.

However, when Khamenei was appointed as supreme leader in 1989, he was not considered qualified to be a mujtahid, let alone an ayatollah. He attained the title of ayatollah virtually overnight amid a highly disputed succession process.
Second, Khamenei ignores the fact that, in the mid-1980s, Mohsen Rezaei, then chief commander of the Revolutionary Guards, got Grand Ayatollah Ruhollah Khomeini’s permission to develop nuclear bombs. As a CIA agent in the Revolutionary Guards then, I learned of this nascent effort and reported it to my handlers. The Iranians approached several sources, including Abdul Qadeer Khan, father of Pakistan’s nuclear bomb. His account of Iran’s bid to buy atomic bombs from Pakistan was reported very recently.

Say one thing, do another
That Khamenei has chosen to conceal Iran’s nuclear program shouldn’t be surprising. He also claims that the Iranian government doesn’t condone torture, that the recent Iranian election was just and proof that his nation is a real democracy, and that Iran is not involved in terrorism.

Islamic teaching considers the spilling of blood during the Islamic month of Muharram to be haram. Yet that didn’t stop the regime’s troops from slaughtering unarmed protesters last year on Ashura, one of Shiite Islam’s holiest days.
Khamenei considers the Koran to be the ultimate source of guidance. One Koranic tenet is that you should deceive your enemies until you are strong enough to destroy them. Khamenei is employing this when he makes his declarations to the West.


Within Iran, radical Islamists have grown in power since Grand Ayatollah Khomeini’s death in 1989. Even Khomeini – an extremist by any reasonable definition – saw them as too fanatic and tried to keep them in check.
These radicals belong to a secret society called the Hojjatieh. It’s essentially a cult devoted to the reappearance of the 12th imam, Mahdi, and Islam’s conquest of the world. To achieve that end, the radicals believe they must foment chaos, famine, and lawlessness, that they must destroy Israel, and that world order must come to an abrupt halt.

Long ago, my best friend and commander in the Revolutionary Guards reminded me of a hadith, a saying from the prophet Muhammad, about Imam Mahdi: “During the last times, my people will be afflicted with terrible and unprecedented calamities and misfortunes from their rulers, so much so that this vast earth will appear small to them. Persecution and injustice will engulf the earth. The believers will find no shelter to seek refuge from these tortures and injustices. At such a time, Allah will raise from my progeny a man who will establish peace and justice on this earth in the same way as it had been filled with injustice and distress.”

The Hojjatieh see any movement toward peace and democracy as delaying Mahdi’s reappearance.
Although he strenuously denies it, Ayatollah Mesbah Yazdi reportedly sits at the top of this secret society. He is an influential member of the Assembly of Experts (the body that chooses the supreme leader), an adviser to President Mahmoud Ahmadinejad, and the founder of the Haghani School that teaches the most radical Shiite beliefs.
The teachers and students of this school run some of the most important political and security institutions in the Iranian government, including the Ministry of Intelligence, which is involved in organizing death squads against the opposition and coordinating terrorist activities against the West.

Ayatollah Janati, the powerful chairman of the Guardian Council, is also associated with the school. Yazdi, Janati, and Mojtaba Khamenei (Ayatollah Khamenei’s son) were central to President Ahmadinejad’s fraudulent reelection last June and the suppression of the opposition, and they are directing the supreme leader regarding the nuclear program.
A wake-up call for the West

It is difficult for the West to understand this ideology. We find it astounding that Iranian leaders seem to be instigating an international confrontation. But we can’t afford the luxury of confusion.
We can’t allow Khamenei’s statements to deceive us. Whether it is haram or not, Iran is almost certainly developing nuclear weapons, and an Islamic Republic of Iran with atomic bombs would strongly destabilize the world.
The choices are clear: We can either rise up to our principles and defend the aspirations of the Iranian people for a free and democratic government, or we can continue with our vacillation and indecision, allowing Iran to become a nuclear-armed state.

Instead of counting on watered-down United Nations sanctions, the West should cut off all diplomatic ties with Iran, close down all airspace and seaports going to or from Iran, sanction all companies doing business with Iran, and cut off its gasoline supply. We should then demand an immediate halt to all Iranian nuclear and missile delivery activities and the right to peaceful demonstration and freedom of speech for all Iranians. And if that fails, a military action should be in the cards.

Reza Kahlili is a pseudonym for an ex-CIA spy who requires anonymity for safety reasons. “A Time to Betray,” his book about his double life as a CIA agent in Iran’s Revolutionary Guards, will be published by Simon & Schuster on April 6.


Guess the Supreme Leader did not get Ibraheim's message-and apparently believes

Khamenei considers the Koran to be the ultimate source of guidance. One Koranic tenet is that you should deceive your enemies until you are strong enough to destroy them.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Sabba Hillel » Thu Mar 25, 2010 3:49 pm

Petraeus Sets the Record Straight on Israel

By Philip Klein on 3.25.10 @ 6:09AM

Earlier this month, a posting on the Foreign Policy website caused a firestorm by reporting that in January, Gen. David Petraeus “sent a briefing team to the Pentagon with a stark warning: America's relationship with Israel is important, but not as important as the lives of America's soldiers.”

According to the dispatch by Mark Perry (an advocate of talks with terrorist groups), Petraeus requested that the West Bank and Gaza be shifted to his Central Command (from European Command) so that the U.S. military could “be perceived by Arab leaders as engaged in the region's most troublesome conflict.”

The report, which was presented as context for the recent blowup between the Obama administration and Israel, was quickly seized on by critics of Israel as confirmation of their view that U.S. support for Israel hinders America’s national security interests.

Soon, other blogs followed up by reporting that Petraeus echoed this sentiment in testimony before the Senate Armed Services Committee. For instance, in a post titled, “Petraeus Makes His Move,” Talking Points Memo’s Josh Marshall wrote, “Now we have (Petraeus) saying it in his own words.”

But on Wednesday, Petraeus poured cold water on the controversy, explaining in detail why “all three items...were wrong, frankly.”

Petraeus made the remarks in response to a question by TAS at a press briefing held prior to a scheduled appearance St. Anselm College in Manchester, New Hampshire. (Watch video of the full exchange here.)

To start with, Petraeus said he never requested to have the West Bank and Gaza added to his responsibilities as leader of the military’s Central Command. He said that “every year or so” commanders submit a plan that takes a geographic look at their areas of responsibility, and then there’s discussion about whether it would make sense to redraw the boundaries. For instance, he said, last time Sudan, Somalia, Ethiopia, Eritrea and Djibouti were shifted to the Africa Command.

“Typically, there’s a question of should we ask to have Israel and Palestinian territories included, because what goes on there is obviously of enormous interest to the rest of the Central Command area, which is the bulk of the Arab world,” Petraeus said. However, he emphasized that it was “flat wrong” to claim he actually requested responsibility for the areas.

He said the report was “based on ‘bad gouges,’ as a sailor would say -- bad information.”

He also refuted the claim that he had sent a request to the White House, saying he “very rarely” sends things to the President, and only does so if he’s specifically asked.

In addition, he explained that the quote that bloggers attributed to his Senate testimony was actually plucked out of context from a report that Central Command had sent the Armed Services committee.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby hoosiernorm » Sun Mar 28, 2010 3:26 pm

http://www.alertnet.org/thenews/newsdesk/N28221289.htm

Source: Reuters
* Obama's Afghan trip shrouded in secrecy

* U.S. president gives rousing speech to troops

* Obama says progress needed on corruption fight

(Adds arrival details, quotes, troop figures)

By Jeff Mason

KABUL, March 28 (Reuters) - Barack Obama made his first trip to Afghanistan as U.S. president on Sunday, delivering a rousing speech to troops and telling Afghan President Hamid Karzai that progress on fighting corruption should match military gains.

Air Force One landed in darkness at Bagram airfield north of the Afghan capital, and Obama was whisked by helicopter to Karzai's palace in Kabul, where he was greeted by the Afghan president and a band playing the U.S. national anthem.

"I want to send a strong message that the partnership between the United States and Afghanistan is going to continue. We have already seen progress with respect to the military campaign against extremism in the region," Obama told Karzai in front of reporters inside the palace.

"We also want to continue to make progress on ... good governance, rule of law, anti-corruption efforts -- all these things end up resulting in an Afghanistan that is more prosperous, more secure, independent," he added.

Karzai said he hoped "the partnership will continue in the future towards a stable, strong, peaceful Afghanistan that can sustain itself, that can move forward into the future."

U.S. officials said corruption and governance were among the issues that the president discussed directly with Karzai during talks that lasted barely half an hour.

Obama returned to Bagram, appearing in a bomber jacket, and delivering a speech to troops just before midnight, telling them he was confident they would have success in their mission.

"I want you to know ... whether you are working here on Bagram or patrolling a village down in Helmand ... your services are absolutely necessary, absolutely essential to America's safety and security," he told the troops.

Perhaps fending off criticism for having taken so long to visit the war zone, he said: "I want you to understand there is no visit that I consider more important than this visit I'm making now."

In December, Obama ordered the deployment of an extra 30,000 U.S. troops to Afghanistan and set a mid-2011 target to begin withdrawal. About a third have so far arrived, participating in a major offensive in the south of the country last month.

The Obama administration has had an uneasy relationship with Karzai throughout Obama's 14 months in office, reaching a low point during a three-month Afghan election dispute last year.

The U.S. ambassador in Afghanistan, Karl Eikenberry, wrote in a classified cable in November, later leaked, that Karzai was "not an adequate strategic partner".

Obama speaks to Karzai much less frequently than his predecessor, former President George W. Bush, who launched the war after the Sept. 11, 2001 attacks on the United States.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Wellington » Sun Mar 28, 2010 4:31 pm

I expect Obama's conversation with Karzai goes something like this:

BO: I know what Mahmoud Amadinejhad said to you. And I know what you said back you pathetic sack of s**t. Who the f**k do you think keeps you whole and in power, MA or me?

HK: But, but, but..

BO: Shut up motherf***er and listen to me.

HK: But, but, but,..OK.

BO: I am the f***ing President of the United States of America. I command over 100,000 armed men and billions of $$$ in your country and I own your f***ing ass. Don't you f***ing dare make a peep of support for MA or I will nail your f***ing hide to the doors of the American Congress and feed your body to pigs. Then I'll start on your family. Get it motherf***er?

HK: Ye-e-sssir, uh, yes sir, yes, yes!

BO: Turns on his heel, leaves the room and gets back to the business of publicly turning the sanction screws on Iran while privately reviewing Mullen's plans to handle the blowback of Israel's upcoming attack on Iran. It includes assassinating MA. BO likes it.
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Simple Minded » Sun Mar 28, 2010 8:18 pm

Wellington wrote:I expect Obama's conversation with Karzai goes something like this:

BO: I know what Mahmoud Amadinejhad said to you. And I know what you said back you pathetic sack of s**t. Who the f**k do you think keeps you whole and in power, MA or me?

HK: But, but, but..

BO: Shut up motherf***er and listen to me.

HK: But, but, but,..OK.

BO: I am the f***ing President of the United States of America. I command over 100,000 armed men and billions of $$$ in your country and I own your f***ing ass. Don't you f***ing dare make a peep of support for MA or I will nail your f***ing hide to the doors of the American Congress and feed your body to pigs. Then I'll start on your family. Get it motherf***er?

HK: Ye-e-sssir, uh, yes sir, yes, yes!

BO: Turns on his heel, leaves the room and gets back to the business of publicly turning the sanction screws on Iran while privately reviewing Mullen's plans to handle the blowback of Israel's upcoming attack on Iran. It includes assassinating MA. BO likes it.


CD, DID YOU SEE THIS???? did Wellington slip across the border in the middle of the night?

Wellington sounds like one of those half vast right wing extremist members!!

Real reaction - I am so proud of Wellington, I hereby grant him honorary US citizenship!!!!

PC reaction - Why all the hate? Report to the Ministry of Sensitivity Monday at 0900 for medication and training!!
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby charleston » Sun Mar 28, 2010 10:53 pm

medication

where is the medication?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fTTP61_9Acc
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby CognitiveDistoibance » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:36 am

Simple Minded wrote:
Wellington wrote:I expect Obama's conversation with Karzai goes something like this:

BO: I know what Mahmoud Amadinejhad said to you. And I know what you said back you pathetic sack of s**t. Who the f**k do you think keeps you whole and in power, MA or me?

HK: But, but, but..

BO: Shut up motherf***er and listen to me.

HK: But, but, but,..OK.

BO: I am the f***ing President of the United States of America. I command over 100,000 armed men and billions of $$$ in your country and I own your f***ing ass. Don't you f***ing dare make a peep of support for MA or I will nail your f***ing hide to the doors of the American Congress and feed your body to pigs. Then I'll start on your family. Get it motherf***er?

HK: Ye-e-sssir, uh, yes sir, yes, yes!

BO: Turns on his heel, leaves the room and gets back to the business of publicly turning the sanction screws on Iran while privately reviewing Mullen's plans to handle the blowback of Israel's upcoming attack on Iran. It includes assassinating MA. BO likes it.

CD, DID YOU SEE THIS???? did Wellington slip across the border in the middle of the night?

I think Wellington is fantasizing again. 1700lbs of ammo and all that... It is hard for some to keep repressing certain realities of their nature.

Here's my version of the conversation:

    HK: President Obama, what a surprise!

    BO: Have you seen my poll numbers?

    HK: Well, no matter why you are here, we need to talk.

    BO: We don't need to talk. I need to change the narrative from HCR. You are just a prop.

    HK: Ummm....

    BO: HCR is killing me and my party in the polls. If this keeps in until November, the GOP will capture Congress and we'll be in gridlock.

    HK: I understand something of tribal warfare. Let us talk about Iran...

    BO: Shut up, and for Obama's sake, don't bring up Iran. The only person I've managed to intimidate so far during my administration is Bart Stupak.

    HK: I don't understand...

    BO: I'm here to rehabilitate my image. My assistant has handed you your statement for the press conference.

    HK: I may not agree with the contents...

    BO: Frankly, I don't care if you do or not. Lie through your teeth and then ally yourself with Iran for all I care. Just keep it quiet until after November. Now, whether you'll excuse me or not, I have a private dinner to attend.
Simple Minded wrote:Wellington sounds like one of those half vast right wing extremist members!!

Or half mast right wing extremist? :wink:
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Simple Minded » Mon Mar 29, 2010 10:56 am

CognitiveDistoibance wrote:I think Wellington is fantasizing again. 1700lbs of ammo and all that... It is hard for some to keep repressing certain realities of their nature.


You're probably right. Fool me once... fool me twice... and all that.

Forgive me, for a couple minutes I got all carried away with the spirit of Hope and Change. I'm back now.

I can see him up there in Canada now all dressed up like Little Joe from Bonanza, practising his quick draw in front of a full length mirror while saying in his best GW Bush voice:

"C'mon Barry.. heh heh.. C'mon Harry... heh heh... make my day!!!"

"Hey Nancy, you want some health care reform? I got it right here! Meet Dr Colt!"

At this point, Wellington switches to Sly Stallone in Cobra (not the health care plan) and says:

"Yo Harry! Yo Nancy You're a disease and I'm da cure!"

Damn there I go getting all hope and changey again. I need some medicine.....
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Re: Obama's Alliance With Iran

Postby Wellington » Wed Mar 31, 2010 11:10 am

Wellington wrote:I expect Obama's conversation with Karzai goes something like this:

BO: I know what Mahmoud Amadinejhad said to you. And I know what you said back you pathetic sack of s**t. Who the f**k do you think keeps you whole and in power, MA or me?

HK: But, but, but..

BO: Shut up motherf***er and listen to me.

HK: But, but, but,..OK.

BO: I am the f***ing President of the United States of America. I command over 100,000 armed men and billions of $$$ in your country and I own your f***ing ass. Don't you f***ing dare make a peep of support for MA or I will nail your f***ing hide to the doors of the American Congress and feed your body to pigs. Then I'll start on your family. Get it motherf***er?

HK: Ye-e-sssir, uh, yes sir, yes, yes!

BO: Turns on his heel, leaves the room and gets back to the business of publicly turning the sanction screws on Iran while privately reviewing Mullen's plans to handle the blowback of Israel's upcoming attack on Iran. It includes assassinating MA. BO likes it.


After bitch-slapping Netanyahu and Karzai, it's Sarkozy's turn for comeuppance.

BO: So you, like those other idiots, thought I'd be hamstrung by a big loss at HCR huh? So you thought you could piss on me from great heights and get away with it you f***ing shrimp-in-a-high-collar?

NS: Well, heh heh look here Mr President, you know it's our tradition here in Europe, particularly France, to cast aspersions on American presidents - and especially so on one that is half-negro smoky-looking like yourself, so, heh heh what does one in your position expect then, eh what?

BO: I'll tell you what you feckless f***head - not only will you get the f*** into line on Iranian sanctions, you will shut the f*** up about financial regulation, Jewish settlements and any other Franco-European initiatives that give me foreign policy problems, get it!?!

NS: But, but...

BO: Shut The F*** Up you jumped-up half-pint! Further - today you're going to eat American common-folk food, and you're gonna speak up cheerfully in public sayng you like it! And since you brought up the part about half-negro, your lovely wife here, Carla Bruni is not only going to order and scarf down a half-smoked, she's gonna like it so much she'll order a second and state publicly that 'Give me that half-smoked again baby, er, I mean can't get enough of your hot half-smoked meat, er, I still hunger for your hot half-smoked...'

NS: (faints)

CB: Hey BO, while he's out cold, let's talk about your hot lunchmeat...

MO: Hey Barack, I'd pay to watch this...mHmmmm!
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