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The End of Advent

Christmas has devoured Advent, gobbled it up with the turkey giblets and the goblets of seasonal ale. Every secularized holiday, of course, tends to lose the context it had in the liturgical year. Across the nation, even in many churches, Easter has hopped across Lent, Halloween has frightened away All Saints, and New Year's has drunk up Epiphany. 

Still, the disappearance of Advent seems especially disturbing—for it's injured even the secular Christmas season: opening a hole, from Thanksgiving on, that can be filled only with fiercer, madder, and wilder attempts to anticipate Christmas. 

More Christmas trees. More Christmas lights. More tinsel, more tassels, more glitter, more glee—until the glut of candies and carols, ornaments and trimmings, has left almost nothing for Christmas Day. For much of America, Christmas itself arrives nearly as an afterthought: not the fulfillment, but only the end, of the long Yule season that has burned without stop since the stores began their Christmas sales.

Of course, even in the liturgical calendar, the season points ahead to Christmas. Advent genuinely is adventual—a time before, a looking forward—and it lacks meaning without Christmas. But maybe Christmas, in turn, lacks meaning without Advent. All those daily readings from Isaiah, filled with visions of things yet to be, a constant barrage of the future tense: And it shall come to pass . . . And there shall come forth . . . A kind of longing pervades the Old Testament selections read in church over the weeks before Christmas—an anxious, almost sorrowful litany of hope only in what has not yet come. Zephaniah. Judges. Malachi. Numbers. I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh: There shall come a star out of Jacob, and a scepter shall rise out of Israel.

What Advent is, really, is a discipline: a way of forming anticipation and channeling it toward its goal. There's a flicker of rose on the third Sunday—Gaudete!, that day's Mass begins: Rejoice!—but then it's back to the dark purple that is the mark of the season in liturgical churches. And what those somber vestments symbolize is the deeply penitential design of Advent. Nothing we can do earns us the gift of Christmas, any more than Lent earns us Easter. But a season of contrition and sacrifice prepares us to understand and feel something about just how great the gift is when at last the day itself arrives.

More than any other holiday, Christmas seems to need its setting in the church year, for without it we have a diminishment of language, a diminishment of culture, and a diminishment of imagination. The Jesse trees and the Advent calendars, St. Martin's Fast and St. Nicholas' Feast, Gaudete Sunday, the childless crèches, the candle wreaths, the vigil of Christmas Eve: They give a shape to the anticipation of the season. They discipline the ideas and emotions that otherwise would shake themselves to pieces, like a flywheel wobbling wilder and wilder till it finally snaps off its axle.

Maybe that's what has happened to Christmas. The ideas and the emotions have all broken free and smashed their way across the fields. From Henry Wadsworth Longfellow's I heard the bells on Christmas Day / Their old, familiar carols play to Irving Berlin's I'm dreaming of a white Christmas / Just like the ones I used to know, there has been for a long time now something oddly backward looking about Christmas music—some nostalgia that insists on substituting its melancholy for the somber contrition and sorrow of forward-looking Advent. 

For a similar reason, the memoir of childhood has become the dominant form of Christmas writing. Often beautiful—from Dylan Thomas' “A Child's Christmas in Wales” to Lillian Smith's Memories of a Large Christmas—those stories nonetheless deploy their golden-hued Christmassy emotions only toward the past: a kind of contrite feeling without the structure of Advent's contrition, all the regret and sense of absence cast back to what has been and never will be again. 

On the other hand, there are plenty of Christmas elements that remain forward looking. In many ways, the season has become little except anticipation—anticipation run amuck, like children so sick with expectation that the reality, when at last it arrives, can never be satisfying. This, too, is something broken off from the liturgical year: another group of adventual feelings without the Advent that gave them form, another set of Christmas ideas set loose to run themselves mad. 

Back in the early 1890s, William Dean Howells published a funny little fable called “Christmas Every Day” in one of the most popular venues of the time, St. Nicholas Magazine for Boys and Girls. Once upon a time, the narrator explains as the story begins, “there was a little girl who liked Christmas so much that she wanted it to be Christmas every day in the year.” What's more, she found a fairy to grant her wish, and she was delighted when Christmas came again on December 26, and December 27, and December 28.

Of course, “after it had gone on about three or four months, the little girl, whenever she came into the room in the morning and saw those great ugly, lumpy stockings dangling at the fireplace, and the disgusting presents around everywhere, used to sit down and burst out crying. In six months she was perfectly exhausted, she couldn't even cry anymore.” By October, “people didn't carry presents around nicely anymore. They flung them over the fence or through the window, and, instead of taking great pains to write ‘For dear Papa,' or ‘Mama' or ‘Brother,' or ‘Sister,' they used to write, ‘Take it, you horrid old thing!' and then go and bang it against the front door.”

These days, by the time Christmas actually rolls around, it feels as though this is very nearly what we've had: Christmas every day, at least since Thanksgiving. Often it starts even earlier. This year the glossy catalogues of Christmas clothing and seasonal bric-a-brac started arriving in September, and there were Christmas-shopping ads on the highway billboard signs before Halloween. The anticipatory elements reach a crescendo by early December, and their constant scream makes the sudden quiet of Christmas Day almost a relief from the Christmas season.

I don't remember this opposition of Christmas and the Christmas season when I was young. When I was little—ah, the nostalgia of the childhood memoir—I always felt that the days right before Christmas were a time somehow out of time. Christmas Eve, especially, and the arrival of Christmas itself at midnight: The hours moved in ways different from their passage in ordinary time, and the sense of impending completion was somehow like a flavor even to the air we breathed.

I've noticed in recent years, however, that the feeling comes over me more rarely than it used to, and for shorter bits of time. I have to pursue the sense of wonder, the taste in the air, and cling to it self-consciously. Even for me, the endless roar of untethered Christmas anticipation is close to drowning out the disciplined anticipation of Advent. And when Christmas itself arrives, it has begun to seem a day not all that different from any other. Oh, yes, church and home to a big dinner. Presents for the children. A set of decorations. But nothing special, really. 

It is this that Advent, rightly kept, would prevent—the thing, in fact, it is designed to halt. Through all the preparatory readings, through all the genealogical Jesse trees, the somber candles on the wreaths, the vigils, and the hymns, Advent keeps Christmas on Christmas Day: a fulfillment, a perfection, of what had gone before. I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him, but not nigh

Joseph Bottum is editor of First ThingsThis essay originally appeared in the December 2007 issue of First Things

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11.28.2009 | 7:01am
E. P. Gale says:
An anecdote.

I once lived near Cincinnati, and was a member of an Episcopal parish in Covington, Ky, across the river. One year, our rector told us of his neighbor, who had the Christmas tree out on the curb on the 26th. The neighbor forgot (if he ever knew), that Christmas is a season, with 12 days, ending with the Epiphany.

We need Advent, to keep us from having Christmas to soon. We need to remember the 12 days, and how they lead us to Epiphany, to avoid giving it up too soon.

Of course, this was a parish in which we did not sing Christmas carols until the Christmas Eve service. Some grumbled, but the rector and the music director were on to something.
11.28.2009 | 11:21am
Victor says:
Thank God for The Spirit of Christmas and may This Spirit in the eyes of His Children always remind U>S that Christ will Love us for Eternity.

May The Spirit of Christmas never stop reminding all His Children that this world might someday end and everything in "IT" but His Son's Words will never.

God Bless,

Peace
11.28.2009 | 1:36pm
Dewy Huynh says:
Virtue, as Aristotle suggests, is the mean between two extremes. If anticipation is to be virtuous, it must reflect the truth of this understanding.

Thank you Dr. Bottum for such a wonderful observation.
11.28.2009 | 4:07pm
Caution! After reading the next few lines your enjoyment of Christmas has disappeared forever.
I'm not very bright. Some decades ago I tried to study literature at Copenhagen University, but had to admit defeat. I had the privilege to meet some extraordinary persons there, fx Aage Henriksen, the eminent Karen Blixen-scholar. He is slightly off-center:the old man is a Swedenborgian. He thinks, fx, that reincarnation is explicit in the New Testament, cf the story of The Transfiguration. He hated Christmas. "Christmas is black magic", he said. "During all of December things interconnect in strange, magic ways; but all those connections amount to nothing: one cannot use one's December experiences when January comes around. Mankind allows itself to waste 31 days of the year". Many years later I encountered a book on magic, "Stolen Lightning", by O'Keefe. It's the only book on magic I've read. O'Keefe (whose first name I don't remember) warns against studying magic. He says and proves that Christmas is indeed magic: People's way of celebrating Christmas is a direct denial of the divinity of Our Lord Jesus Christ.
They celebrate a nice shaman during their all-encompassing(i.e.magic) feast. The
revealing feature of Christmas is the focus on the new-born babe. Now I need only to refer to "Rosemary's Baby" by Polanski (whose existence I would like to forget after the emergence of the story of his rape of an under-age girl): the birth of Rosemary's baby is extremely important to the sect, because a sect feels itself to be more powerful when it grows through addition of new-born children. I could go on, but read O'Keefe yourself. I have already said too much; at least enough to receive one or more hate-letters. By for now.
Yours
Jens Aage
11.29.2009 | 9:31am
Steve Redder says:
I find Joseph Bottum's article odd. I do not understand his since of loss, nor do I understand his concluding sentence: " I shall see him, but not now: I shall behold him , but not nigh."

Jesus lives in my heart, I feel him and on many occasions I have seen Him-walked with Him and spoken with Him. What is this longing for union? Why doesn't Mr. Bottum's feel what I feel? Why does he feel separated? Why would any born again Christian feel detached from the presence of Jesus? S9ome one please explain.
11.29.2009 | 10:31am
Matt says:
Rejoice!

It has been at least a full month since Americans have started thinking about and anticipating the birth of our Savior! Or at least the celebration of His birth. And now, with their Thanksgiving dinners finished, and Christmas shopping nearly complete, they have nothing to do but wait for Christmas morning.

And they're starting to wonder: why did I do this? Why have I gone Christmas shopping? Why did I get a Christmas tree? Why did I put a star at it's top? What's the point of this season?

Shouldn't we answer these questions? We have all the answers - and all the time in the liturgical calendar to present a good answer. For someone who's standing in the department store checkout line on Christmas Eve, it might be too late. But for the person waiting on Black Friday, there's a whole month of opportunity to reach them with the meaning for the season.

The apostle Paul "[became] all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some." (1 Cor 9:22) I think this is our time to do the same.

Mixed in with every trip to a public place for the next 4 weeks are the sounds of Christmas - not just Frosty and Rudolph, but O Come O Come Emanuel and Silent Night and We Three Kings and Mary Did You Know. Amid the babble, some will hear the story of God With Us.

Manger scenes and cantatas and concerts and caroling are on the landscape and on the calendar for the next month. A special event one Saturday evening can tell them the whole truth of love and redemption.

Holiday charity events bring out the best in even the most secular people. While dropping coins in a shiny red bucket or dipping a cup of soup for the homeless, they might learn the reason we give in the first place.

I miss the anticipation of Christmas that was present in my childhood (or more likely, my parent's childhood). But I only consider the real loss to be inside the church - for outside, it was never there in the first place. Only because our generation is overwhelmingly lost does it loom so large today.

But take heart - God is gracious! When a holiday loses its meaning, it should fade out of existence. Who really takes the time to celebrate Veterans' Day anymore? It's just a day off on the Federal calendar (most private companies are still open). And it was established and revered just a couple generations ago. But with fading memories and resistance to war and shrinking of the military, it's meaning has become lost and it probably won't even show up in another generation or two. (Don't even get me started about Columbus Day or President's Day). Not so with Christmas. As the world around us becomes increasingly lost, we get more time - not less - to tell them about Christ.

So take it - take the opportunity that's been given. Invite someone to the cantata, or church service, or caroling. Instead of "The Night Before Christmas", tell the story of the very first Christmas. Read from Isaiah and Micah and Daniel and Malachi - and "write them on the doorframes of your houses and on your gates," (Deut 6:9) so that others will see them and believe. Maybe this Christmas, instead of keeping Christ to ourselves, we'll bring others to Him.

Do it now, while the Christmas season is still here. After all, Easter doesn't start until after Valentine's Day.
11.29.2009 | 11:47am
Maureen says:
Only someone who denies the Incarnation would think that worshipping the Child Jesus diminishes Jesus' divinity. Only somebody who doesn't understand Christianity would pretend that Rosemary's Baby, of all movies, disproves Christianity.

If you can't tell the difference between a "shaman" and God Incarnate, or between the Greatest Story Ever Told and an Ira Levin novel, you really need to work on discerning good from evil. You also need to learn to see Christ's entire human life as holy, from conception (Feast of the Annunciation) through the nine months of pregnancy (Feast of the Visitation), birth (Christmas), submission to the Covenant as a man (Circumcision/Purification), and so on through His Life as commemorated throughout the year, until we celebrate His death, resurrection, ascension into Heaven, and current reign as Christ the King. Try it. You'll like it.

If you really just want to shock people, you need to work harder. Your comment is exactly the sort of silliness that people insist on posting every year. Christmas is so good they literally can't stand it. So most Christians who celebrate Christmas just yawn and ignore.
11.29.2009 | 12:19pm
Victor says:
Hey Joe,

I forgot to add that God loves all His Children even so called "Angels With Dirty Face"

Thanks for your silent help and prayers Joe. :)

Peace
11.29.2009 | 3:45pm
swisswiss says:
Reply to Steve Redder:
Bottum is quoting from Numbers 24:17, about which John Henry has a wonderful sermon on "Worship, a Preparation for Christ's Coming," which explains all. See: http://www.newmanreader.org/works/parochial/volume5/sermon1.html
11.29.2009 | 10:27pm
aimee says:
Thanks for this. It brought back memories of my own Christmas childhood, what was missing then, what I have found since then - and I had to go write about it. You inspired me! Blessed Advent, and, when it comes, Merry Christmas!
11.30.2009 | 5:57am
Steve Redder says:
Swisswiss : After reading Numbers 24:17 in context I am even more disturbed. In my opinion Bottum's concluding scriptural quote was disgusting. The spirit of advent is summed up in the words of Jesus Christ as recorded by Dr. Luke in the Gospel of Luke chapter 4 verse verse 16-21 :

"He came to Nazara, where he had been brought up, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day as he usually did. He stood up to read, and they handed him the scroll of the prophet Isaiah. Unrolling the scroll he found the place where it was written:

The spirit of the Lord has been given to me, for he has anointed me. He has sent me to bring the good news to the poor, to proclaim liberty to captives and to the blind new sight, to set the downtrodden free, to proclaim the Lord's year of favor.

He then rolled up the scroll, gave it back to the assistant and sat down. And all eyes in the synagogue were fixed upon him. Then he began to speak to them, ' This text is being fulfilled today even as you listen' "

I realize those who profess to be Christians are at different stages of their faith: some are yet babes, some are adolescents and others are mature. So I shall not point a judgmental finger at anyone, but I will state that I see spiritual blindness in God's people-- oh sure I see erudition, but it is for the most part unleavened, lacking the leavening of the Holy Spirit. It is my hope that during this Advent season all my sisters and brothers will pray for spiritual refreshing. Embrace the fire!
11.30.2009 | 7:04am
Ars Artium says:
Steve Redder would better understand Joseph Bottom's thinking had he read the sermon of Cardinal Newman at the link provided by "swisswiss". The difference in opinion seems to be based on the fact that Scriptural references can be found to support two truths that exist in tension: In a way known to God, the mission of Christ is complete in God's timeless eternity ("It is consummated!") and yet not complete for His people on earth - those of us who are very much still "works in progress" - but potential saints.
11.30.2009 | 8:28am
Steve Redder says:
Ars Artium: I browsed through Newman's sermon. The crushing of skulls is disgusting. As to your "works in progress-but potential saints" comment. You are either born again and therefore a saint or you are not. To be a new creation in Christ Jesus is to become a saint. Ars Artium I suggest you inspect your claim to salvation.
11.30.2009 | 10:21am
Ars Artium says:
Yes, but the "new creation" requires conforming oneself to Christ or "putting on Christ". This does not happen automatically or suddenly but is an arduous, life-long process involving acceptance of purification by the Holy Spirit. Cardinal Newman's sermons cannot be understood by browsing. They must be carefully read and pondered. His particular approach is not for everyone. I do not understand what you mean by "The crushing of skulls...". God bless you.
11.30.2009 | 11:08am
S. Hersey says:
Excellent article, but I’m a little uncertain about Bottum’s diagnosis. Large swathes of America—particularly west of the Mississippi and south of the Ohio—consist of heavily evangelical communities in which Advent was never forgotten because local Christians had never heard of it in the first place.

I’m a reasonably typical product of a devout Southern evangelical upringing, and not in the boondocks by any means, but I was well into adulthood before ever hearing the word “Advent”; I remain a little uncertain of discussing its details intelligently, simply because I’ve never seen it observed. Outside of regions with large numbers of Catholics or ecclesially-inclined Protestant denominations, one regrets to say that Advent is about as well known as Eid ul-Fitr ... and in light of modern classroom “diversity” regiments, probably a good bit less known.

In short, Bottum has some reason for optimism, in that he’s not necessarily observing signs of spiritual lassitude, but of ignorance. Perhaps he or some other FT writer will eventually have a chance to regale many first-time listeners of what is evidently a dearly held deposit of tradition.
11.30.2009 | 11:11am
Shawn says:
Steve Redder,

Don't take this personally, but please read the bible more carefully. On the question of sanctification:

"For this very reason, make every effort to add to your faith goodness; and to goodness, knowledge; and to knowledge, self-control; and to self-control, perseverance; and to perseverance, godliness; and to godliness, brotherly kindness; and to brotherly kindness, love."

"Therefore, my brothers, be all the more eager to make your calling and election sure. For if you do these things, you will never fall, and you will receive a rich welcome into the eternal kingdom of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ."

(2 Pet. 5-8;10-11)

Cheers,
11.30.2009 | 11:49am
Steve Redder says:
Ars Artium: When I accepted Jesus Christ to be my Lord and Savior, I also received the Holy Spirit, which gives a number of gifts to those who are able to bear them. Paul lists them in 1st Corinthians chapter 12 : the gift of preaching with wisdom, preaching instruction, the gift of faith, the gift of healing, the power of miracles, prophecy, recognizing spirits, the gift of tongues, and another the gift to interpret them.

In verse 31 Paul says " Be ambitious for the higher gifts." I have been given the gift of discerning spirits among others, consequently, I can quickly see the spiritual foundation of writings and souls. That is to say if it needs to be know to me for purposes of ministering.

I am a son of the reformation. I say that with great pride. When I look into the spirit of the Catholic church body I see great corruption I will go so far as to say unspeakable evil.

Ars Artium do you see spiritual things? Some times I wish I did not--at times what I see terrifies me. I see demons and I see angels, I see men and women who present themselves to be holy and righteous, but inwardly they are devils. I am not sure the discernment of spirits is a higher gift, but it certainly seems important to me. When I see in the spirit I see levels of spiritual realms I see people in those realms as well as ministering angels and demons . As I mature as a Christian the ability grows and becomes more intricate.

You wrote of "an arduous, life-long process involving acceptance of purification" That is simply not true and smacks of a works based faith. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 11 verse 28-30 :

"Come unto me , all you who labor and are overburdened, and i will give you rest. Shoulder my yoke and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart , and you will find rest for your souls. Yes, my yoke is easy and my burden light." Carefully consider those words spoken by our master.

The problem as I see it through experience is that most Christians defy the Holy Spirit. If you submit to the Holy Spirits will over your life the way is easy( remember we are Christs slaves)--that is to say your walk with the Lord is unencumbered, but your walk in this world is will be very, very challenging.

The crushing of skulls: Bottums concluding biblical quote from Numbers chapter 24 verses 15-19continues on thusly: "a star from Jacob takes the leadership , a sceptre arises from Israel. It crushes the brows of Moab the skulls of all the sons of seth." Nice advent message don't you think? It dramatically contradicts the coming of the prince of peace. Ars God has blessed me beyond my wildest imagination.
11.30.2009 | 12:02pm
Steve Redder says:
Shawn no offense taken. Thank you for your comment. I am called to bear witness to the... what can I say about the Holy Spirit?: Maddening-insufferable-demanding-unrelenting-wonderful-companion-comforter-teacher-friend.

The Holy Spirit leads me into all righteousness, it is only when I act in my own understanding that I err and oft times sin. The scriptures are the foundation of our faith but the Holy Spirit interprets them and shows us how to apply them in our daily life. The scriptures in and of themselves are lifeless words, it is the Holy spirit who brings them to life. I am not sure I answered your question but I think you get a sense of how my thought life in animated.
11.30.2009 | 12:14pm
Jennifer says:
No Advent? Then why did we hang chrismons on the tree yesterday at church?

Sure sounded and looked like the first Sunday in Advent to me...
11.30.2009 | 1:13pm
Betty says:
I agree with what Jennifer says
11.30.2009 | 1:25pm
Ars Artium says:
There is no unspeakable evil in the Catholic Church body which is the Body of Christ. Within this Body there are for certain many sinners who have had to repent of unspeakable evils including the sin of pride. Sinners were present within the faith from the beginning of Christianity and, as we know that there are no perfect people, will be present until the end of time. Acceptance of purification has no connection whatsoever with "works righteousness". It is a hard won but beautiful act of humility involving acceptance of the fact that "apart from God we have no good." Many sons and daughters of the Reformation have now returned to the Church for as Scripture teaches, "There is one Lord, one faith, one baptism, one God and Father of us all." Eph. 4:56. Division in the Body of Christ is a great scandal, one that is of great benefit to Satan, the Father of Lies himself.
11.30.2009 | 4:22pm
mmdr says:
There is at least one advantage to living in Canada rather than the US at this time of year; because our Thanksgiving falls in mid-October, we don't experience quite the same frenetic rush towards Christmas that our cousins to the south of us do after their Thanksgiving. Still, each of us must make a conscious effort to share as deeply as we are able in that blessed anticipation we call Advent.
12.1.2009 | 4:45am
Steve Redder says:
Ars : You as have most Catholics confused ( brain washed is a more apt term) Christ body with the traditions of the Catholic church--that is to say the traditions of men. In closing you either believe that the reformation was an act of the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ) or of the Devil. I all ready know your position on that subject. Be well.
12.1.2009 | 10:15am
Mark Kirby says:
Funny: I wonder if a side-effect of the loss of Advent is fat. Those four weeks folk used to fast; now we gorge ourselves, what with office parties and such.

Lovely essay by the way. This thought struck me as especially acute:

there has been for a long time now something oddly backward looking about Christmas music—some nostalgia that insists on substituting its melancholy for the somber contrition and sorrow of forward-looking Advent.
12.2.2009 | 4:45am
Maureen is exactly right when she writes:

"If you really just want to shock people, you need to work harder. Your comment is exactly the sort of silliness that people insist on posting every year. Christmas is so good they literally can't stand it. So most Christians who celebrate Christmas just yawn and ignore. "

Every December, we who celebrate Christmas hear all kinds of people hating Christmas: it's too secularized; it's too Christian; it's too commercialized that it gets in the way of a true appreciation for Christ. When I hear the "Christian" attacks on Christmas, I get particularly worried because the most notable early attacks on Christmas by "christians" were led by that anti-christian Oliver Cromwell. Yes, that Oliver Cromwell who killed so many of the Christians of Ireland in the name of a purer Christianity.

Christmas is what we each make of it. I am not going to waste my Christmas worrying about the purity of my neighbors' celebration of the Birth of Gesu Bambino. Instead, I will worship the God-Baby Jesus Christ in the arms of the Ever Virgin Mother of God, Mary Most Holy. Just as I will worship the God Man Jesus Christ broken and dead in the arms of His Mother later in the Liturgical Year and the Risen God Man and Christ seated in Heaven every day throughout the Year. That whole story tells me of how Jesus Christ died for my sins.

Why is it that Christmas produces such attacks, even though liturgically it is not as important as Holy Week and Eastertide? Precisely because of its promise of salvation in the person of a "mere" babe. It teaches us to appreciate things as God appreciates them and not as the World with all its hates and contentions does. Does this culture appreciate babies? Come on: kill a baby for Seculardom. Christmas is the most powerful of all "holidays" precisely because it is so counter-cultural. It is the Most Wonderful Time of the Year!!
12.2.2009 | 5:01am
Steve Redder writes:

"I am a son of the reformation. I say that with great pride. When I look into the spirit of the Catholic church body I see great corruption I will go so far as to say unspeakable evil."

How ironic: to be "proud" of the most profound ecclesiastical disruption caused by the sin of pride.

Redder later writes:
"In closing you either believe that the reformation was an act of the Holy Spirit (Jesus Christ) or of the Devil. "

The "Reformation" purported to attack the Church's "addition" of Tradition to Scripture, yet Steve cannot come up with a single verse of Scripture that says that Martin Luther was an appointed agent of the Holy Spirit in attacking the Only Church that Jesus Christ ever founded. Sola Scriptura may be a useful tool to attack Christ's Holy Church but Protestants ignore it when judging the obvious lack of Scriptural Warrant to their own breakaway from Christ's First Century Church.

In the end, the only way to judge which is Christ's Church is to look at who (or Who) founded which church when. No Protestant can make a serious claim to belong to the Church that Jesus founded in the First Century AD because none of their churches were founded any time before October 1517. And I don't want to hear anything about the "Invisible" Church because the Church was very visible in the Book of Acts. Not just visible but centralized, as the Council of Jerusalem shows (Acts 15:1-16:5).
12.2.2009 | 5:21am
Steve Redder writes:
"You wrote of "an arduous, life-long process involving acceptance of purification" That is simply not true and smacks of a works based faith. Jesus said in Matthew chapter 11 verse 28-30 :

"Come unto me , all you who labor and are overburdened, and i will give you rest. Shoulder my yoke and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart , and you will find rest for your souls. Yes, my yoke is easy and my burden light." Carefully consider those words spoken by our master. "

Protestant deafness. Jesus did NOT say that we did not have to shoulder a burden. Instead He said we would have to shoulder a burden but we could handle it just as He did: "Shoulder my yoke and learn from me, for I am gentle and humble in heart , and you will find rest for your souls. "

God wasn't just talking blather (as Protestants implicitly contend) when He gave us the 10 Commandments. He gave us those rules as a way to live our lives and He put them on tablets of stone that Moses promptly messed up out of anger and judgment of his fellows. All we have now is a reprint of the Message written in other people's hands.

In truth, long before there was even Word One of Scripture, God wrote us of the importance of our conduct. And when Christ taught us in the Flesh to shoulder His yoke, He was not undoing the Decalogue. Instead, He was telling us NOT to resist the Christian Message just because of the excuse that it was too hard to live the way God wanted us to live. When we live that way, we find that the burden is not so hard as we had pretended it was. Rather "my yoke is easy and my burden light." Feliz Navidad!!
12.3.2009 | 6:00am
Steve Redder says:
Patricksarfield:
Protestant deafness? Please! I am a member of the body of the spiritual body of Christ "first" a practitioner of the prescribed doctrine of the protestant church second, albeit because of the mainstream protestant churches rebellion I find myself less and less interested in any of the churches edicts. You on the other hand are most likely only a member of the intellectual and communal body of the catholic church. And after contemplating your post most assuredly spiritually blind.

Do you know me? No you do not. Therefore why do you assume I do not live a life in accordance with God's moral laws? Upon what grounds do you make that charge? From what source does your religious intolerance and bigotry originate? When you read my post you only saw an opportunity to lash out at a protestant. Unfortunately I find your (catholic) behavior typical and decidedly unchristian.

Now as to the quote I excerpted from the gospel of Matthew. Implicit in the quote is the understanding that the Christian life is difficult-very difficult at time... but note the use of the phrases: "shoulder my yoke" and "my burden is light" Albeit the image of being yoked is obscure today, one only has to look toward Asia to see the image of a yoked water buffalo at labor and the meaning of word burden is straight. I would continue on, but you do not live a life in the Spirit consequently, you have no eyes to see. P.S: hyper scriptural rationalism will not gain you personal salvation.
12.4.2009 | 6:30am
Apparently, Steve Redder does not like it when Catholics are almost as straightforward in their criticism of Protestants as he is of Catholics. Beyond that, his latest very emotional post raises nothing new. It is more ad hominem Anti-Catholicism that shows the same infirmities as the prior posts I have already commented on.
12.4.2009 | 6:38am
I wrote too quickly when I wrote there was nothing to comment on in Steve's last post. There was this one very ironic infelicity:

"[I am] a practitioner of the prescribed doctrine of the protestant church second, albeit because of the mainstream protestant churches rebellion I find myself less and less interested in any of the churches edicts."

Which are you, Steve? A practitioner of some church's doctrine as you first claim or a rejector of all protestant churches' edicts? This is one of the weird things about Protestants: they claim the authority to reject anything they want to reject from their church's (or churches') teachings, yet are, in their minds, nevertheless doctrinally sound Protestants. Apoparently, sound doctrine consists primarily in a radical acceptance of the attack on the only Church Jesus actually did found.
12.7.2009 | 3:35pm
Mark F says:
I've found this discussion rather late in the day, but I'm interested in how Steve Redder interprets Paul the Apostle's words:

"Do you not know that in a race all the runners run, but only one gets the prize? Run in such a way as to get the prize. Everyone who competes in the games goes into strict training. They do it to get a crown that will not last; but we do it to get a crown that will last forever.No, I beat my body and make it my slave so that after I have preached to others, I myself will not be disqualified for the prize."
(1 Corinthians 9: 25-27)
12.7.2009 | 9:00pm
R.C. says:
In evaluating the Protestant Schism, given the ridiculous choice between "act of the Holy Spirit" and "act of the devil," I'll guess I'll grumblingly choose the latter.

But of course I think it's a ridiculous choice. Certainly the division of the Body of Christ and the truncation and alteration of the apostles' teaching which occurred in the Protestant churches was a sad thing, and a scandal before the whole wide world...but I still call Protestants my brothers, no less than I did when I was one.

As a Protestant I was mite less well-informed in the essentials of the apostolic faith than I could have been, largely because some of what I "knew" wasn't so. But having known mostly Protestants for most of my walk with Christ, I think they're rather better informed than some lukewarm Catholics I can think of, and rather more willing to be faithful to the moral code and doctrines Christ gives us than certain dissenting Catholics I could mention.

It wasn't my fault, as a cradle Protestant, for having been born into a schismatic denomination: I didn't know there was anything to be in schism from! Could a "cradle" monophysite help being prone to monophysitism? Or, still earlier, a "cradle" Samaritan help being prone to thinking worship in the Jerusalem temple must be a load of trumped-up nonsense? Could a man of the Northern kingdom help his natural bias against anything that "Jesse's son's sons" might be doing in the South? Can a son of Ishmael help thinking that the promises to Issac must be all rot?

In the end I found I'd been raised and taught the faith by some wonderful godly folk who were busy trying to build an alternate church for Jesus because they didn't realize His original one hadn't been overcome by the gates of Hell like they'd been told. They were like a bunch of devout men of Judah, saying to themselves, "the kingdom has become corrupt, let's march off to some other land and start up a New Judah without any corrupt kings or idolatrous queen-mothers." They were like sons of Abraham who, fed up with the misbehavior of Abraham's more prominent descendants, forsook their lineage and opted to start a new lineage somewhere else, in hopes that a reformed line would bless the nations when Abraham's corrupt descendants weren't up-to-snuff.

Well intentioned but misguided. As a result the Body of Christ is riven by division: some of His limbs are nearly amputated, hanging by a capillary here or there. Other limbs are more firmly connected, but seem unwilling to respond to the nerve signals that Christ Our Head sends to His muscles through His nervous system, the ordained successors of the apostles. Spasms and tremors and paralysis results.

That sorry state makes Satan happier than it does the Spirit. But I think it's more the work of human frailty, ego, and misguided notions than of either Satan or the Spirit.

In the meantime we commit what little trifling sufferings we endure in this life to make up what is lacking in Christ's afflictions, for the sake of His Body, the Church. We do everything for Him, pummeling ourselves lest we be disqualified for the prize. We do not think we have yet attained it, but in hope we press on.

When we are immersed in sufferings and trials, we undergo them gladly knowing that we can offer these up for the sake of the dead -- a baptism that would be pointless if there were no resurrection, but we look for the resurrection of the dead.

We know that we must forgive those who trespass against us -- work, and hard work at that -- or we won't be forgiven our sins. We know we must eat His flesh and drink His blood or we won't have any life in us. We know we must be born again, from above, of both water AND the Spirit. We know that when those in apostolic offices teach us, they have just authority to set disciplines and practices according to whatever seems good to the Holy Spirit and to them. We know that even Judas Iscariot's office of leadership still existed after Judas himself died, and was handed on to a successor, and that Peter made provision for his own office to continue after he himself went to be with the Lord.

And we know that after our earthly bodies fall asleep, but before the resurrection, we will be purified, purged of what is earthly by the refiner's fire: That whatever in us is built on the one foundation which is Christ will pass through to fire to our reward, but that whatever in us is straw will be burned up, and during that process we know we will suffer loss.

But praise God, we will have more hope in that suffering than ever in this life, because in the midst of that burning charity we know we stand on the threshold, at the gates, stripping off our filthy rags to change them for white robes, and that the exile is almost ended, after which we will see Him face-to-face, and by His grace hear Him say, "Well done, good and faithful servant."
12.8.2009 | 9:13am
JP says:
Steve Redder obviously doesn't see the illogic of his position. If he as he professes is "born again" and has recieved The Holy Ghost, by what authority does he call himself a Christian? He cannot point back to the continuity of the Apostles, as that was broke with Luther. He can say he is simply a believer, and does not follow the Traditions of Man. That's well and good. But he cannot pick and chose what he believes and what he does not. The Bible itself was cannonized by the Catholic Church and changed by Luther. The authority of the Magesterium gave us many doctrines -including the Holy Trinity. Obviously Steve accepts this, even though it is never mentioned in sacred texts. And there is no reference in the Bible that it is the sole authority of all things Chirstian.

Steve essientially has made himself an authority unto himself. In this way, he isn't not much different than Judas (the first Protestant). Judas, who was in the sanctifying presense of Chirst, in the end didn't accept Christ's authority. If you believe the Gospels, Judas's break came with Christ's teaching concerning the eating of Christ's flesh and drinking his blood (Judas wasn't alone in this). It wasn't too long after Luther that Protestant sects began to question and then dispense with Holy Communion altogether.

Steve hides his pride behind scriptual references and faux humility. At a time when most Old line Protestant churches are disintergrating, and newer denominations constantly change, evolve, and redefine themselves, the Catholic Church remains as it was 2000 years ago. No simple Born Again Protestant can change that.
12.8.2009 | 10:07am
RC writes:

"In the end I found I'd been raised and taught the faith by some wonderful godly folk who were busy trying to build an alternate church for Jesus because they didn't realize His original one hadn't been overcome by the gates of Hell like they'd been told. They were like a bunch of devout men of Judah, saying to themselves, "the kingdom has become corrupt, let's march off to some other land and start up a New Judah without any corrupt kings or idolatrous queen-mothers." They were like sons of Abraham who, fed up with the misbehavior of Abraham's more prominent descendants, forsook their lineage and opted to start a new lineage somewhere else, in hopes that a reformed line would bless the nations when Abraham's corrupt descendants weren't up-to-snuff."

I too hope for the salvation of all (See 1 Tim. 2:3-4), but God only knows who's going to Heaven, and who isn't. So, I'll leave it up to God to decide who's been "godly" or not, and restrict myself to easier questions that I am capable of handling, as in: how may churches did Jesus Christ found and when did He found it? As to everyone else but me, I pray for the living and the dead. It's all I can productively do.
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