The sexual and physical abuse of children and young people is a global plague; its manifestations run the gamut from fondling by teachers to rape by uncles to kidnapping-and-sex-trafficking. In the United States alone, there are reportedly some 39 million victims of childhood sexual abuse. Forty to sixty percent were abused by family members, including stepfathers and live-in boyfriends of a child’s mother—thus suggesting that abused children are the principal victims of the sexual revolution, the breakdown of marriage, and the hook-up culture. Hofstra University professor Charol Shakeshaft reports that 6-10 percent of public school students have been molested in recent years—some 290,000 between 1991 and 2000. According to other recent studies, 2 percent of sex abuse offenders were Catholic priests—a phenomenon that spiked between the mid-1960s and the mid-1980s but seems to have virtually disappeared (six credible cases of clerical sexual abuse in 2009 were reported in the U.S. bishops’ annual audit, in a Church of some 65,000,000 members).
Yet in a pattern exemplifying the dog’s behavior in Proverbs 26:11, the sexual abuse story in the global media is almost entirely a Catholic story, in which the Catholic Church is portrayed as the epicenter of the sexual abuse of the young, with hints of an ecclesiastical criminal conspiracy involving sexual predators whose predations continue today. That the vast majority of the abuse cases in the United States took place decades ago is of no consequence to this story line. For the narrative that has been constructed is often less about the protection of the young (for whom the Catholic Church is, by empirical measure, the safest environment for young people in America today) than it is about taking the Church down—and, eventually, out, both financially and as a credible voice in the public debate over public policy. For if the Church is a global criminal conspiracy of sexual abusers and their protectors, then the Catholic Church has no claim to a place at the table of public moral argument.
The Church itself is in some measure responsible for this. Reprehensible patterns of clerical sexual abuse and misgovernance by the Church’s bishops came to glaring light in the U.S. in 2002; worse patterns of corruption have been recently revealed in Ireland. Clericalism, cowardice, fideism about psychotherapy’s ability to “fix” sexual predators—all played their roles in the recycling of abusers into ministry and in the failure of bishops to come to grips with a massive breakdown of conviction and discipline in the post-Vatican II years. For the Church’s sexual abuse crisis has always been that: a crisis of fidelity. Priests who live the noble promises of their ordination are not sexual abusers; bishops who take their custody of the Lord’s flock seriously, protect the young and recognize that a man’s acts can so disfigure his priesthood that he must be removed from public ministry or from the clerical state. That the Catholic Church was slow to recognize the scandal of sexual abuse within the household of faith, and the failures of governance that led to the scandal being horribly mishandled, has been frankly admitted—by the bishops of the United States in 2002, and by Pope Benedict XVI in his recent letter to the Catholic Church in Ireland. In recent years, though, no other similarly situated institution has been so transparent about its failures, and none has done as much to clean house. It took too long to get there, to be sure; but we are there.
These facts have not sunk in, however, for either the attentive public or the mass public. They do not fit the conventional story line. Moreover, they impede the advance of the larger agenda that some are clearly pursuing in these controversies. For the crisis of sexual abuse and episcopal malfeasance has been seized upon by the Church’s enemies to cripple it, morally and financially, and to cripple its leaders. That was the subtext in Boston in 2002 (where the effort was aided by Catholics who want to turn Catholicism into high-church Congregationalism, preferably with themselves in charge). And that is what has happened in recent weeks, as a global media attack has swirled around Pope Benedict XVI, following the revelation of odious abuse cases throughout Europe. In his native Germany, Der Spiegel has called for the pope’s resignation; similar cries for papal blood have been raised in Ireland, a once-Catholic country now home to the most aggressively secularist press in Europe.
But it was the New York Times’ front page of March 25 that demonstrated just how low those determined to bring the Church down were prepared to go.
Rembert Weakland is the emeritus archbishop of Milwaukee, notorious for having paid hundreds of thousands of dollars to satisfy the demands of his former male lover. Jeff Anderson is a Minnesota-based attorney who has made a substantial amount of money out of sex abuse “settlements,” and who is party to ongoing litigation intended to bring the resources of the Vatican within the reach of contingency-fee lawyers in the United States. Yet these two utterly implausible—and, in any serious journalistic sense, disqualified—sources were those the Times cited in a story claiming that, as cardinal prefect of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith [CDF], Joseph Ratzinger, later Benedict XVI, had prevented sanctions against Father Lawrence Murphy, a diabolical Milwaukee priest who, decades before, had abused some 200 deaf children in his pastoral care. This was simply not true, as the legal papers from the Murphy case the Times provided on its Web site demonstrated (see here for a demolition of the Times’ case based on the documentary evidence it made available). The facts, alas, seem to be of little interest to those whose primary concern is to nail down the narrative of global Catholic criminality, centered in the Vatican.
The Times’ descent into tabloid sourcing and innuendo was even more offensive because of recent hard news developments that underscore Pope Benedict’s determination to root out what he once described as the “filth” in the Church. There was, for example, the pope’s March 20 letter to the Catholic Church in Ireland, which was unsparing in its condemnation of clerical sexual offenders (“. . . you betrayed the trust that was placed in you by innocent young people and their parents and you must answer for it before Almighty God and before properly constituted tribunals”) and unprecedented in its critique of malfeasant bishops (“grave errors of judgment were made and failures of leadership occurred . . . [which have] undermined your credibility and effectiveness”). Moreover, the pope mandated an Apostolic Visitation of Irish dioceses, seminaries, and religious congregations—a clear indication that dramatic leadership change in Ireland is coming. In framing his letter to Ireland so vigorously, Benedict XVI succeeded in overcoming the institutional Vatican preference for the subjunctive in dealing with situations like this, and the pleas of Irish bishops that he cut them some slack, given the intense pressures they were under at home. That the pope rejected both curial and Irish opposition to his lowering the boom ought to have made clear that Benedict XVI is determined to deal with the problem of sexual abuse and episcopal misgovernance in the strongest terms. But for those obsessing over whether a pope had finally “apologized” for something (as if John Paul II had not spent a decade and a half “cleansing the Church’s historical conscience,” as he put it), these unmistakable signals were lost.
Then there was the March 25 letter from the leadership of the Legionaries of Christ to Legionary priests and seminarians and the Legion-affiliated movement, Regnum Christi. The letter disavowed the Legion’s founder, Father Marcial Maciel, as a model for the future, in light of revelations that Maciel had deceived popes, bishops, laity, and his brother Legionaries by living a duplicitous double life that included fathering several children, sexually abusing seminarians, violating the sacrament of penance, and misappropriating funds. It was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger who, as prefect CDF, was determined to discover the truth about Maciel; it was Pope Benedict XVI who put Maciel under virtual ecclesiastical house arrest during his last years, and who then ordered an Apostolic Visitation of the Legion of Christ that is currently being concluded: hardly the acts of a man at the center of a conspiracy of silence and cover-up.
While the Vatican has been far quicker in its recent response to irresponsible media reports and attacks, it could still do better. A documented chronology how the archdiocese of Munich-Freising handled the case of an abusing priest who had been brought to Munich for therapy while Ratzinger was archbishop would help buttress the flat denials, by both the Vatican and the archdiocese, that Ratzinger knowingly reassigned a known abuser to pastoral work—another charge on which the Times and others have been chewing. More and clearer explanations of how the canonical procedures put into place at CDF several years ago have accelerated, not impeded, the Church’s disciplining of abusive clergy would also be useful.
So, of course, would elementary fairness from the global media. That seems unlikely to come from those reporters and editors at the New York Times who have abandoned any pretence of maintaining journalistic standards. But it ought not be beyond the capacity of other media outlets to understand that much of the Times’ recent reporting on the Church has been gravely distorted, and to treat it accordingly.
George Weigel, Distinguished Senior Fellow of Washington’s Ethics and Public Policy Center, is the author of The Courage To Be Catholic: Crisis, Reform, and the Future of the Church (Basic Books).
Comments:
The naked malice behind the Times' articles means that they smell blood and are pressing the attack. This must be met with the weapons of spiritual war: prayer, love, and the truth. Thanks to Mr. Weigel, the truth is getting out.
The problem is that our Church claims to be the the truth and the light, to have its moral authority handed down by Christ himself, to be the religion through whose intercession every person who ever lived on this earth will be saved. When our Church points fingers and cries, "Other religions do it, too! Our percentages of child abuse are no greater than anybody else's! Why don't you look at THEM? Conspiracy!", people jeer because it doesn't really matter what everyone else in the world does, does it? What matters is that we proclaim we are the One True Church. We should be held to a MUCH higher standard than schools, dysfunctional families, and other religions. Moreover, we have a much more defined hierarchy in this institution, leading right up to the Pope himself, than any of the other religions, schools, etc, have, which gives greater credence to the accusations of wide-spread systemic cover-up.
Of course anti-Catholics will jump on this story to push their own agenda. And sorting through all of the media stories on this scandal requires using reasoning and objectivity that can be very hard to maintain given the visceral reaction so many of us have to this horrible abuse of children.
But the Church's continuing cries of "Conspiracy! We are so persecuted by the media!" really have lost their meaning, especially when you have men like Cardinal Martins claiming such while telling us we shouldn't really be very scandalized by the covering up and shuffling of pervert priests by bishops. It's what every family does, after all, isn't it? Hide their "dirty laundry"? Which does make you wonder about just what kind of "family" our Church is, with this attitude being exhibited by top Vatican officials.
The Church will not gain ground on this issue by accusing the media of conspiracy. The only hope is that for once, the hierarchy will come out with the pure unadulterated truth on this scandal---no matter how ugly, and no matter how high-reaching, which would effectively disarm the so-called "attacks" by the media.
For if the Church is a global criminal conspiracy of sexual abusers and their protectors, then the Catholic Church has no claim to a place at the table of public moral argument."
Absolutely correct. Let's keep our eye on the ball. Sex abuse is only secondarily the issue. If we lose sight of that, we are lost. The only force with the power to prevail against marxists and utilitarians is the Church.
From my experience, the lack of action in the late 70s-early 80s against those who committed sexual abuse against minors extended beyond the Catholic Church.
In my public high school in Winter Park, FL, a somewhat popular (though somewhat weird) science teacher was suddenly terminated mid-semester of my sophomore year (1982-83). It turns out he had been having sex with students (aged 15-16) during his free period. He was fired but no legal action was taken for what was, even at the time, statutory rape. I heard he got another teaching job in a private high school in a nearby district.
A kid a year younger than I who lived down the street from me, "George", regularly played with kids in the neighborhood aged 6-8. Though just about everyone in knew on the block openly speculated as to what went on with "George" and these boys - and there were rumors and stories from time to time - not a thing was done to stop him. Why an alarm didn't go off in the heads of the parents of these kids is something I cannot speculate on. He and his family rather suddenly moved away right before I graduated high school.
In college, my freshman girlfriend told me that her uncle had molested her when she was 11. Her entire extended family knew of it, and no legal action was ever taken. And guess who sat across from me at that fall's Thanksgiving dinner?
From a commenter on (Notre Dame athletics and whatnot site) ndnation.com's politics message board:
I had a situation in the 80s....A client came to me charging a neighbor with molesting his 10 year old daughter. (not rape - but other molestation). We went to the Commonwealth Attorney who investigated. They found that there were other children also molested by this "kind" man who gave them candy. they felt to guilty to tell their parents.
The individual accused was a well-known high level executive.
What did the Commonwealth do about it? It told the guy to leave town. He had to "retire" but left town to go somewhere else. Nothing more was done. No arrest, no probation, no treatment. Not a damned thing. That was the way the government handled child abuse cases in our community.
I find it hard to believe that the folks at my high school, my neighborhood, my college girlfriend's family, and the authorities in the commenter's account above were trying to "cover up" anything or didn't take sexual abuse seriously. I believe it was simply a matter of not really knowing what to do with these people. Armed with a few decades more of knowledge and experience as to nature of sexual predators, we now look back at these accounts and shake our heads in disgust; however, sexual abuse was rarely if ever talked about back then, and I truly believe that a lot of folks faced with handling someone accused of an instance or even multiple instances of this type of abuse just simply did not know what to do with them.
Just my $0.02.
The way out of the crisis is by honestly acknowledging problems and failings, and then working to prevent them from ever happening again.
But the commentator completely ignores the underlying reason for the dynamic of bishops acting in the arrogant and careless fashion they did. So many bishops reflected the same emphasis that the pope has emphasized throughout his entire life - a single dedication to doctrine to the exclusion of arguably the main job of a bishop to act as a shepherd of his flock which means really caring about the people. Joseph Cardinal Bernadin modeled this behavior and we lost him way too soon.
Now many bishops like Chaput are all about laying down guidelines which in essence are drawing lines in the sand, and then plunging into partisan politics to bully their way. Doctrine is the ultimate weapon for a bishop. With it he can control, the operative word, his flock. This means the bishop is not tending the flock so much as putting them into a pen to keep them in line.
Male pedophiles (including priests) who abuse young boys are homosexuals — or, in the vernacular, "gay."
The antidote? Strong measures by the Church, NOT in the political realm, but in our own house! If the Church in the United States does not protect the purity of the faith, the integrity of the sacraments (especially the Eucharist) and the bonds of ecclesiastical communion, then what is its purpose for existence? If that means public rancor, a media frenzy, and hand-ringing by liberals, it is smaller price to pay then the one we are paying for open unanswered dissent and unjust attacks.
There are statutes everywhere dealing with corruption of minors. Has anyone ever heard of one of these cases being filed against any Priest, or a Minister of any other faith, for that matter? Most of the elected legal officials who could have taken action at that time are long gone. The only members of the legal profession left who are interested in "redressing" these past wrongs are the bottom feeders of the Tort Bar!
Why? Because the people involved were human beings, some of them weak, some of them mistaken about the best course of action, some of them evil. They were if anything embodiments of the Church's teaching that we are all sinners. The point of mentioning the abuse in other institutions is certainly not to excuse what happened in the Church. Both the abuse and the cover-ups were patently inexusable. It is to say that this kind of corruption happens anywhere there are a significant number of people. Christ gave the Church its mission, but he gave that mission to human beings who, as I said, the Church teaches us are fallible and in need of the grace of God (some of them also in need of chemical castration). It is also to point out that the Church is policing itself better than most other institutions where this type of thing, unfortunately, all to often occurs. For those who either sincerely believe the Church is an evil institution or those who would use this against her for political advantage, I would use an analogy. Many, all too many, policemen are on the take. Do we then disband police departments and declare police work evil? All too many doctors commit fraud against the government, order unecessary tests or prescribe unecessary drugs to make money, supply drugs to addicts, or kill people through incompetence or inattention. Do we then shut down all medical practices and declare medicine evil? The Church should indeed be held to a higher standard than police departments or medical practices, but humans being what they are, those standards will at some points be violated. All that the Church can do is what it is doing, work hard at minimizing the corruption in its midst.
The Protestant Reformation happened for good reasons. Does the Church really want to go through another hundred years of division? The Pope himself cannot really resign, but he can affect the resignations of hundreds of priests and bishops that need to happen to "clean house."
Blaming the media doesn't actually help the Church. It just makes people cynical.
A mature and loving Church would have fixed this immediately, by not just penance for the sins (rendering unto God...) but also through punishment for the crimes (rendering unto Caesar). Raping children is both sin and crime -- and all the perpetrators, as well as their superiors who covered this up -- should pay both ways for that they did.
The Church is crippled, all right, but it's not the work of its enemies. It is the accumulation of arrogance and insularity that now separates the Holy See from so many of its followers. A housecleaning is in order, but so long as people like Weigel try to frame this issue as the church being unfairly attacked there is little chance of a rebirth.
But catholic priests only make up about .016 percent of the adult population in the United States. That would suggest that priests are more than 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population.
Great job using the situation to attack the media...clearly they are the problem.
Just get your heads around that.
Then when the media points it out, it becomes an anti-Catholic conspiracy because "others are worse" and "others don't get as much reporting"
Excuse me but we are a story precisely because we have established ourselves as a higher moral authority then these others. No one looks to dysfunctional parents or athletic coaches or public school teachers as their guide to moral behavior. We are a story because the same people who we have entrusted to teach us to live a just life have been simultaneously living an un-just life.
It would not make a difference if there were only one or two such instances - it is not a question of relative statistics. It is question of failure of moral authority. And I am glad that we are exposing such failures and hope that we can continue to root them out.
There is not statute of limitations on the moral aspects of this situation. We don't get to say - "Oh, it was 60 years ago so its not our problem." A sin has been committed institutionally by our Church. And I, for one, don't think the response has yet to match the effort that has gone into the cover up over the years.
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0330.htm
As for Christopher Hitchens, though there is certainly cause for rage his animus colours and distorts much of what he writes. See here:
http://www.catholiceducation.org/articles/apologetics/ap0329.htm
To what purpose will revisiting the celibacy requirements serve? The abuse is clearly a violation of the discipline. I hope the comment is not to insinuate that an active sex life will cure sexual perversion.
While I agree with you - and I am sure everyone else does too - that we expect priests to be held to a higher standard than schoolteachers etc., - it is deliberately disingenuous (to be redundant!) to claim that we are crazy if we point out the huge, HIMALAYAN sized discrepancy between coverage of the Church's problems and everyone else's, ESPECIALLY given the equally huge, HIMALAYAN statistical differences between clerical and abuse and family/school abuse, not to mention the huge, HIMALAYAN difference in TONE of the coverage of the stories, or the difference in SOURCES. (Please - WEAKLAND was a source for this? In other venues, we are supposed to give credence to the hate-filled blitherings of HANS KUNG? When did you EVER see such nonsense in a story about any other organization?)
As for your comment that you want the hierarchy to come out once and for all with the unadulterated truth --- it seems you yourself are believing a conspiracy theory. There were a number of sinful, criminal priests, and a number of stupid, idiotic, and even, sometimes, criminal bishops. But to imagine there is ONE unadulterated truth that the entire hierarchy is party to, and keeping from us in a vast conspiracy of silence, instead of a lot of ad hoc, evil and stupid decisions, is on par with the wackiest tin-foil-hat ramblings of UFO conspiracists.
When we learn that archbishops moved rapists from parish to parish without so much as dismissing them from their duties, the outrage does not result from the notion that the priests are still being allowed to serve in the church. The outrage results from the notion that the church is part of a conspiracy to protect rapists from their victims. No conspiracy among "the media" against the church has ever been shown, but instances of the church conspiring to defame and deny justice to rape victims are well documented and widespread.
Until Benedict instructs his archbishops to submit names of known child abusers to the appropriate authorities, no one is going to believe that anyone is making amends over this reprehensible conduct.
I am concerned that the response of the Church has been too lenient. The apostles were gven the authority both to release and to bind sins (Matthew 16). What greater and more damaging sin is there (Matthew 18)? Our own are giving rhetorical fuel to the Enemy and confusing the flock. There are certainly false accusations, but where terrible guilt is clear, so should be the respose.
My prayers are as always with my priest, my bishop and my pope.
While Pope Benedict's letter to the Irish bishops was very firm, it fails to signal responsibilty by the Church's highest leadership for grave failures below...to admit that something grievous which happens on our watch is in some real sense a result of the culture we have created or unwittingly maintained. Like President Ronald Reagan with Iran Contra, "it doesn't look good if he knew, and it doesn't look good if he didn't know." In this case, the former would reveal secrecy, and the latter would show ignorance or tacit complicity for which there is no possible excuse.
A question: Many of us Catholics hear that "a priest is a priest forever..." No matter what he does? Would it not signal true humility on the Church's part to institute a process for "broken priests" similar to how we address many broken marriages? If the Sacrament of Holy Orders, like the Sacrament of Marriage, cannot be dissolved by people, why can't we create a "declaration of nullity" of the Sacrament of Holy Orders? In effect, to declare that a priest who has committed child sexual abuse was not fit to enter into Holy Orders in the first place? Could such a practice begin to address a widely perceived problem that the Church hierarchy puts regard for the identity of "priest" over and above the welfare of the most vulnerable lay faithful? If such an idea is considered ridiculous or nonsensical under Canon Law or for any other reason, maybe we'd better look again at the origins of marital annulment, and its underlying logic.
I love our Church. I pray for healing, for all. I believe that the "facts" as discussed here include some that our leaders cringe to fully face head on. And who wouldn't cringe? No one in a dysfunctional family wants to admit that their father or uncle has sexually abused them, or looked the other way when they he someone else had done it. We're talking taboo.
Who would have truer authority than the occupant of the Chair of Peter to lead ALL of us toward full acknowledgement, and addressing of, the problem of child sexual abuse -- throughout all society, and its institutions secular and religious? It seems that this, in addition to/instead of pointing out that "this happens everywhere," would serve the best interests of all.
Wow. Not only does it miss the point - that the Church has not taken responsibility, nor held the offenders to account for their actions in our society - but it is also such a complete strawman of an argument that I can't believe you think people will swallow it.
We not only must follow God's law, but while on this Earth we must follow Man's law. The Church has shown nothing but contempt for the laws of our societies. To compare the gross sexual abuse of children to some internal family matter that must be kept quiet is beyond the pale.
The Church is not exhibiting any profile in courage, as you suggest, it is merely cowardice. And regardless of the media coverage it does not change the basic facts: preists abused children and the Church covered it up and even today does not help in holding them to account for their actions to society. You should be ashamed at attmepting to blame the actions on the messenger. Who cares what the Times writes? The Church's response to this has not shaken my faith in God, but it has shaken my faith in the ability for fallible man to administer His word.
Some are answering this question, and others don't want to hear it. The church didn't actually "do nothing." During the 1970's and 1980's it did what it was advised to do by outfits like the American Psychiatric Association and put these priests into therapy, because that's what was done. It was stupid, but they were following the advice of "experts." They should have just trusted the Gospel, and their own common sense.
Ross Douthat wrote on this just yesterday http://www.nytimes.com/2010/03/29/opinion/29douthat.html?hp
Also, here http://www.firstthings.com/blogs/theanchoress/2010/03/29/praying-for-the-pope-for-all/
When all this abuse was happening the bishops were regularly throwing the kids to the wolves by simply transferring the perps to a new location. When the scandal hit, the bishops threw the perps to the wolves to save themselves. Although $2 billion + went down a rathole, we never heard any apology from the prelates. The idea was that most of the “guilty" were dead or retired. But the system basically is exactly the same today as then, except for a few rules changes.
What was the "real" cause of the abuse? In the immediate sense, the perps. But in a larger sense it was the clericalist culture--where clergy counted and laity didn't. That system is still operating. There is no accountability for bishops, other than an occasional wrist-slap from the Pope. I think the entire clericalist culture has revealed itself in this tragedy, and we won't get past the tragedy until the house is swept clean. We need a "sweeping" and total reform in the Church to make clericalism impossible. And a good way to start would be to demand total transparency about all financial matters, because the clericalist culture revolves around control of the money.
I am not a "liberal," but a Catholic with eyes. Conservatives depending on bishops to put the liberals down are leaning on a frail reed. The bishops gave the press the opening and it's a little late to be complaining that they're getting a bad press.
I appreciate greatly what the church has done to protect children since the abuse scandal really exploded and my heart aches for the vast majority of non-dangerous priests who are viewed with suspicion and hostility because of this scandal. But there was corruption up and down the ladder, and it does no good to dismiss it as a hostile conspiracy--especially when you were a major intellectual enabler and defender of one of the scandal's great monsters.
However, it was deliberately done in a way that left lingering ambiguity and public grounds for doubt about Maciel's culpability as a way of self-servingly limiting the damage to themselves. Most especially, Pope Benedict refused to make Maciel publicly accountable for a full accounting of his sexual crimes, and he did so on the threadbare pretext of his then-advanced age. The self-serving nature of this pretext is revealed by the fact that it was the decades of stonewalling on legitimate religious grievances against Maciel by the Vatican and the CDF that allowed Maciel to reach such an advanced age in a completely judicially protected manner in the first place!
I am sorry, but as long as the Catholic Church under Pope Benedict continues to operate in this self-serving, mealy-mouthed fashion, rather than with a completely forthright and PROMPT confession of the truth of any crimes committed by its clergy, it will remain much easier for me to believe accusations such as those recently launched by the New York Times than to disbelieve them - the Times' animus against the Catholic Church notwithstanding.
Many, many people feel as I do, and Mr. Weigel's pollyannaish defenses of a Church authority still bent upon utilitarian concealment of the truth do nothing to advance the cause of genuine evangelism for the truth of Christ. On the contrary, they retard it, by giving those seeking Christ entirely comprehensible cause to associate the justified suspicion they feel for the untrustworthiness of the Catholic Church with the veracity of Christ and the salvation He offers.
forget these days is that that higher standard comes from her valid sacraments
which is like adouble edged sword !When those inThe Church recieve our Lord, in
a state of serious unrepentant sin , we call down worse judgements than may be those who have recieved less !
Abortion, immoralty, use of artificial contraceptives that damage the sacredness of
marriage ( and which has been prophesied by Pope Paul V1 ,as cause of many future
serious issues ) , all these can bring in a spirit of abuse into persons, families , The Church ; may be even let the children be vulnerable to same .
Shepeherds too have been reluctant to addres these unpopular issues for fear of loss of popularity and now having to deal with the whirlwind !
Yet, any serious improvemenet in these areas would have to be done by the
laity ; meanwhile, very good to read that abuse cases are very much down in The
Church ; as to the public , the attitudes that prevailed in The Church that dealing with
these through more attention to the problem would be more damaginng to the victim
and that the perpetrators would have enough repentance to change - these have
been shown to be wrong, may be due to the lack of holiness itself , among enough
memebers in The Church and laxity of use of such powerful aresenal, like exorcisms !
Real healing can only come when the righteous anger and hatred is acknowledeged
surrendered to His mercy - such has to be the experience of all other forms of abuse in our culture too that abound in abortion, use of artificial contraception etc ; that also need to be understood as root forms of serious abuse !
Cardinal Law sits comfortably in Rome, protected from the flock he betrayed, protected from any hint of accountability for his failures. A potent symbol of "protecting the Church" means in the Vatican these days.
It's not that scores of people believe there's an organized 'conspiracy' within the Church...But that the unadulterated wickedness -- yes, wickedness -- of child molesters who identify themselves as representing Christ (the seal on their souls from Holy Orders notwithstanding) adds up to the gravest moral infraction. It is disaster for everyone: the victimized; the great numbers of faithful; and the perpetrators themselves.
Did bishops et al who kept pedaphiles in ministry, shielding the Church from scandal, contemplate the great harm they were doing to their brother priests by NOT confronting them? The New Testament tells us to admonish and instruct one another...to hold each other accountable. Or if, as others here have said, Church officials "didn't know what to do with pedaphiles," why don't they come out and say this? Can you imagine the moral authority and trust such an admission would restore?
Isn't Jesus quoted in the Scriptures as declaring woe to them who "drive these little ones away from me?" What do you think this horrific abuse is doing, but leading to despair and distrust? Child sexual abuse kills....twisting psyche, heart, and mind, sometimes irreparably. As the Sabbath is made for man and not man for the Sabbath, it's surely truth that the hierarchy is for the Church, and not the Church for the hierarchy. The priest for the people, and not the people for the priest. "He would be great among you must be your servant...." and, "I came to serve, not to be served."
What did Jesus say to Peter when Peter told Him he wouldn't allow Him to be killed? "Get thee behind me, Satan." And this to the one who first professed Jesus as the Christ! Do you think our Lord was kidding when He rebuked Peter in the strongest possible terms, before others, for hindering his divine plan?
Jesus also told Peter that he would pray for him -- that when he had "turned," he would become the strength of his brothers. Many of us call on our Church leaders to "turn," and to become our strength.
The point here is not what the NYT said. The issue is what actually happened; the untold fear, revulsion, and distrust of other people -- and of our God -- these events have engendered; and our need, as a Church, for thorough self-examination, to make amends, and to change our ways.
Thank you for a good belly laugh!
I do want to respond to your claim "it is deliberately disingenuous (to be redundant!) to claim that we are crazy if we point out the huge, HIMALAYAN sized discrepancy between coverage of the Church's problems and everyone else's": I never said it was crazy to point out discrepancies in reporting. I would not say such a thing, but I do respond when I hear it implied that the media really does not care about the safety of children (as evidenced by their lack of reporting on same). My statement is simply that I DO indeed see stories on child abuse occurring in our area, on a regular basis. I never claimed there wasn't a discrepancy in coverage. My view is there SHOULD be a discrepancy in coverage due to the higher standard we should hold ourselves to as being the religion claiming to be the one True Way to God.
You start your entry by claiming to be "respectfully" disagreeing with me but end it by stating "it seems you yourself are believing a conspiracy theory" and telling me that my imaginings on this matter "is on par with the wackiest tin-foil-hat ramblings of UFO conspiracists." Which really did make me laugh, so I do thank you.
Meanwhile, we have cardinals running around crying "conspiracy", and I've even read some rumblings on the internet about the freemasons possibly being behind same conspiracy. I'm thinking I might have to start sharing my tin-foil-hat with some of the Curia!
Marc: no one - absolutely no one - makes this argument. If you say our arguments are straw men, yours is a straw son - a position obscurely descended from a position never held. This is the extent to which reason has fallen? To the now-you-guys-are-just-making-stuff-up phase?
After all the Pope has done in the last decade (meaning while he was cardinal,too - it's not hard to find this info if you look PAST the NYT) to get the truth out - and it's a fact that the safest place for children now is not in their own homes but in church, due to the INCREDIBLE number of changes that have taken place - for people to not use reason or examine the evidence for themselves, especially on these two current cases, but just to buy what Weakland and the NYT say, apparently out of disgust, is just a sad, sad commentary during Holy Week as Christ is being mocked and jeered and spat upon.
As you join in the jeering and mocking and spitting, as you get caught up in the Stockholm Syndrome of believing every word the captors tell you, as you, again like the Stockholm Syndrome, identify with those captors to the extent that you begin to make up your OWN conspiracy theories about the massive "cover-ups" supposedly going on, you might want to instead do some praying for our beloved and bealeagured Pope, for our Church, for those who were truly molested, for those who were not but hoped they could cash in by defaming some dead priest, and yes, you can most certainly pray that more bishops will be called to task.
But don't throw out our Mother along with the baby and the bathwater. The Church will survive the New York Times -- it survived Nero and Diocletian, it survived the KGB of ELizabeth I (when thelife expactancy of a priest in England was 18 months) it survived Napoleon, Stalin, Mexico in the 20s and 30s, and it will survive the current overwhelming backlash of hatred, even from its own members, due to a tiny number of sinful, sinful priests.
Again, it doesn't matter that the NYT said something. It only matters if it's true...or, in this case, true enough to warrant concern. And can't you see that it doesn't matter "who else did it?" We need to sweep our own house. Yes, the Church is the body of Christ on earth, but it isn't perfect. We are the "Church Militant" partially because we're struggling; we're fighting a battle. But fighting a battle doesn't mean we must adopt a bunker mentality...us against "them." No. We are all in this together.
Don't you understand, too, that it's not only the "tiny, tiny number" of "sinful, sinful" priests that's the problem here...but other "good priests" who didn't stop them? Have you ever heard the saying that the greatest evil is for good people to do nothing?
I am a faithful, committed Catholic who is praying for healing for all. Please, please can you see beyond the "smear campaign" and look at the evil that was done for the evil it is? Admit that we have a beam in our eye, and THEN we'll see clearly to pluck the plank out of someone else's?
Cannot you not see the good that could come out of our Pope acknowledging that if child abuse can happen even within God's church, it can happen anywhere? That it often does? And that we must all work together to combat it?
What these people fail to realize is that the Church has survived crises that make this, terrible as it is, look pedestrian. Crises created by enemies without and within. The Church is far older than the current Western culture and any government on earth. More importantly Christ promised that His Church would not fail, and as powerful as the New York Times think they are I don't think they will be proving Christ wrong any time soon.
What is sadly ironic is that this entire crisis was born from the efforts by elements inside the Church to "modernize." If our clergy and hierarchy at all levels would just have listened to the Pope and fulfilled their mission like they should have instead of trying to please the world, this never would have happened.
The smoke of Satan indeed crept into the Body of Christ on earth, but it will not and cannot prevail.
That is the only solution--and it must be applied to every single person involved from the newest recruit to Ratzinger.
You nailed on the head. I also find it interesting that this is brought to a head right after the passage of a health care bill the Church opposes.
The fact is this on April 19th 2005 The Third Person of the Blessed Trinty
through the sucessors of the Apostles the Cardinals choose of the the 5 Billion people on earth Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger the Vicar Of Christ. In these times The Holy Spirit which see's all would not have chosen this man if he wasn't meant for the job.
The Pope goes to Confession I believe every week and sins like us all
and is not perfect. But he was chosen by the Holy Spirit knowing that this abuse crisis would have to be handled in his years as Pope.
Why Not Arzine, Schorrmberg or Maida??? The Holy Spirit knows what He is Doing.
Pope Benedict has done more than anyone to condem this abuse and speak to and address it as he did when he came to the USA and spoke to its victims.
John
Clawson MI
The ...........oh my goodness, I could go on and on and on..............Jesus Christ will be the Savior of this sad, sad, very sad world.....and we will suffer for our shunning Him and placing Him at the bottom of our things to do. What are the commandments? Who lives them anymore..........OH YES......WE WILL SUFFER.
And then you have the NERVE to feign indignation that a few men succumb to what is encouraged and promoted as perfectly normal and healthy by the rest of "society". I give up. I would like to be a fly on the wall of this writer's bedroom/bathroom and plaster a web-cam of it all over youtube so he gets a feel for what it's like. Seems any two-bit "journalist" can post, these days, so long as it attacks a: the Church b: marriage and family, c: politics not left of center. Get the **** off my computer screen, you dope.
There are really two points that shouldn't be forgotten: first, the New York Times lied. They took two sources who are clearly biased and made up a story. Now, "lied" implies they knew what they were telling is a falsehood, so perhaps it's not a nice thing to say. However, easily accessible facts refute their story, so I'm sticking with "lied" for now.
Second point, with Ginger and other Catholics here, I'm pretty happy about the course of things. Our house is getting a thorough and needed cleaning and we will be the better for it. Sadly, the protestant and Orthodox churches, the schools (public and private) and various other social institutions will simply go along, in happy denial that they have this cancer eating at their craw. The real sadness about the NYT, however, is that they have lied about the one man who, as cardinal and pope, has actually don't more than anyone else to address the sex abuse problem.
Granted, media types would like a bit more drama: firings, public excoriation, maybe a flogging or two. But Kodak moments don't make for justice and healing. They just make for good TV. Nor would they satisfy the hard core anti-catholics, for whom it will always be "too little, too late", for whom the pope is the ultimate scapegoat. The fact is we have gotten rid of a lot of bad priests, not to mention a few bad bishops. We have gotten rid of a lot of excess money that was making too many clergy too comfortable and secure. A rich church is a church at risk for exactly the sorts of problems you see in the U.S. and western Europe. We are better off without the dollars.
Whether the sacraments can be conferred by evil ministers? Yes, they can!
http://www.newadvent.org/summa/4064.htm#article5
The Church is a divine institution, and it does not lose its efficacy because it is comprised of sinners, yes, even those in the clergy. The Pope is not God; he is not perfect. Yet he is not nearly the hypocrite as those anti-Pope, pro-abortion (viz., pro- extreme child molestation) proponents are.
We must pray, not waste our breath so much, arguing. The Holy Spirit will see to His church.
Be at peace about it and trust Him.
By the same token, absolutely anyone who uses the New York Times (NYT) as their source of information on this issue must also be held accountable and punished.
Sadly, issue manipulation and distortion and falsification of the facts is standard and accepted practice at the NYT. Its own scandals in this regard have been widely reported.
As a newspaper publisher, treasurer of the U.S. Hispanic Publishers Federation, and vice dean of the Cuban Journalists Association in Exile, I believe the NYT is an embarrassment to the Media and should be condemned for its total disregard for the truth and its lack of ethical principles and journalistic integrity in its reporting and commenting of the news. How can any one who even remotely respects themselves use the NYT as a credible source of information on practically anything any more?
The Church is rotten to the core. The message of Christ and 2000 years of Saints is being ruined. Those responsible for this abuse and those who protected them through cover-ups should be jailed. The Church is not above the law.
Until we move to allowing women and married men to be priests, this problem will continue. These are not issues in Protestant sects. Also, until we move to where morality counts more than upholding an institution, the Church will continue to rot from the inside and watch the ongoing loss of members.
When Weigel talks about six credible cases in 2009, that means six cases that the hierarchy had o choice but acknowledge. But that is only the tip of the iceberg.
It seems that there are a number of people retroactively demanding perfection particularly of the Church. If child abuse is the problem being addressed, where are the proposals to correct this is the society at large. The dioceses I've lived in have addressed the issue in waves starting back in the 1980's when it first surfaced. That includes Boston, Cardinal's Law's archdiocese. Did he make mistakes? Yes, certainly. Did he do nothing? No, that is simply not so. I suspect that is true for most bishops, clergy, law enforcement, not to mention us ordinary folks.
Each of us needs to find the courage to pursue the truth in these issues. And figure out what we each should do to protect children better. We are not perfect either.
"Each person must bear the weaknesses of others. Who is perfect? Who can boast that he has kept his heart undefiled? Hence, we are all sick, and whoever condemns his brother does not perceive that he himself is sick, because a sick person does not condemn another sick person."
Per this article: "2 percent of sex abuse offenders were Catholic priests."
But catholic priests only make up about .016 percent of the adult population in the United States. That would suggest that priests are more than 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population.
Great job using the situation to attack the media...clearly they are the problem. "
Matt, if you compare the % of priest to general population, should you not also compare the % of abusing priests to the general population? Otherwise it is an incurrate comparison . Please provide all the numbers is calculations involved in your calculations, # of people in adult pop., number of priests in US. thankyou
Per this article: "2 percent of sex abuse offenders were Catholic priests."
But catholic priests only make up about .016 percent of the adult population in the United States. That would suggest that priests are more than 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population.
Great job using the situation to attack the media...clearly they are the problem."
It seems if you are comparing the number of priests to the general population you should also compare the number of abusers to the general population.
Below are numbers I see. Please provide your calculations supporting you 100x claim. I assumed adult pop. of $218M.
number of priests in US 41000
% abusers 0.02
# abusers 820
% abusers to general pop. 0.0003761%
% of Pop that are priests 0.0188073%
% of pop. That are abusers (2% x 218,000,000) 4,360,000
% of priests that are abusers to gen pop. 0.0188073%
% of abusive priests to general pop. 0.0003761%
% of priests that are abusers 2.00%
It is very sad that so many of you are willing to dismiss the hurt done to these children and the years denial and cover-up that allowed these predators to molest other children. I know it's not unique to the Catholic Church but that doesn't make it any less wrong. The lack of true reflection and the reflexive attacks on the messengers is hard to fathom.
Regards, David
Of course the NYT would paint the Catholic Church as a villain. See the attached blog for the truth.
"Per this article: "2 percent of sex abuse offenders were Catholic priests."
But catholic priests only make up about .016 percent of the adult population in the United States. That would suggest that priests are more than 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population.
Great job using the situation to attack the media...clearly they are the problem"
If you are going to compare the % of priests to the US adult pop., then you should also compare the % of abusive priest to the US adult pop. You should not divide 2% by .016%. Why not divide the % of abusive priests by to the general pop. by the number of priests to the general pop.
If you do this you will come to about 2%.
Truth is, we (united universally) are 100 percent guilty of a crime. Agrue if you wish, but what you are doing is much like the sentencing of Jesus... because little lambs (abused children) were sent to the slaughter in innocents by the hand of heirachy within Our Lord's House! Should you defend that even if it were one lamb?
Realize that you will stand before our Lord to explain why you felt one lamb was not worth your love!!!
Truth is, we (united universally) are 100 percent guilty of a crime. Argue if you wish, but what you are doing is much like the sentencing of Jesus... because little lambs (abused children) were sent to the slaughter in innocents by the hand of heirachy within Our Lord's House! Should you defend that even if it were one lamb?
Realize that you will stand before our Lord to explain why you felt one lamb was not worth your love!!!
For all the protesting that the Catholic Church is being held under the spotlight----you fail to point out that the official Catholic Church (in America), has no qualms about actively lobbying Capitol Hill to get its own twist of the Health Care Bill passed (and this effects millions of people). But it is now crying "the
blues" when newspapers, blogs, magazines point out that its leaders have failed to be open in disclosures about sexual abuse over the decades. And for all the protestations of the conservative side of the Catholic Church---not one constructive comment has been made, even by Mr. Weigel, as to how the Church can improve upon handling, reporting, and admitting its past errors.
And, on the subject of openness, I know our beloved Church cares about perception. Hence, shouldn't we go to great lengths not only to avoid child abuse, the perception of its being kept quiet to avoid scandal? As many institutions tell their members in Codes of Conduct and such, the appearance of impropriety can be every bit as damaging as the impropriety itself. Perception is reality for a lot of people, and we must respond to it, whether we like it -- and whether it's just -- or not.
“No one seems to want to answer a very simple question. The church knew of the behavior of many of these priests, bishops and cardinals; and the church knew of Weakland's anti-Catholic teachings, yet the church did nothing for years. If anything the church aided and abetted the behavior. Why?”
I do not know the answer to your question and this is why I do not answer it. It is not because I do not want to. I would guess that most people are in the same position as I am. So the way you frame your question “No one seems to want to answer a very simple question” is, I would suggest, firstly not true, and secondly suggestive of something that is not true, viz. that Catholics are willfully avoiding the issue and refusing to face up to it.
It is not that “the church” knew, only individuals know. So your question becomes why did those individuals who knew not do anything? I am not sure that all the individuals who did know did “nothing” all those years. I suspect that those individuals who were in positions of authority with respect to those who committed abuse and who could have acted to prevent further abuse or protect those abused either went into denial about what was going on or tried to handle it quietly in a way that did not cause attention or embarrassment to them or their fellow priests.
As to the question of the degree to which this behavior was unacceptable and culpable I believe can only be properly answered on an individual-by-individual basis. How many of us with a son or a brother or a father who sexually abused a minor would as a matter of first resort call the police? I don’t know if I would.
Perhaps I simply cannot face up to your question honestly, not because I do not want to but because I do not know how to. All I know for certain is that I am sad and sorry for all the suffering that has been inflicted on those who were abused and for those who inflicted it and or those who failed to act against it. And I am sorry for myself too for I am surrounded by those who believe that all simple questions must have simple answers.
The times in which we are now living which is regarded as the secular materialistic age requires supernatural intervention from heaven through the assistance of Our Mother Mary who has promised to help bring peace into the world by way of the proclamation of the Fifth and Final Dogma, proclaiming Her as Co-Redemptrix, Mediatrix, and Advocate whose time has now come.
Ave Maria!
Roy S. Tenn.
Spare me your uneducated bile. The portion of my statement you take exception to is in direct reference to Weigel's first paragraph. I didn't bring traffickers into the debate - Weigel did and I responded.
As for your over the top, us vs. them rhetoric, save your hate for another forum. Clearly you are having a metaphysical crisis.
None of your ranting about the source changes the elemental facts: priests abused children, and the Church covered it up. The priests were never held accountable for their actions.
NYT, USAToday, Billy Bob's Blog, it doesn't matter - the facts aren't in dispute. If you don't like the NYT's coverage, fine. But you aren't entitled to pretend the actual abuse didn't happen.
The fact that you even consider the NYT "attack" on the Church of greater import than the abuse of children by Church officials and its subsequent cover up speaks volumes about how fringe your perspective is.
We pray for all our detractors and stand steadfast in the words of the Savior "You are Peter and on this rock I will build my church the gates of the nether world will not prevail"
He knew satan would use the likes of NYT but he affirmed they'd not prevail. I think NYT is just speeding up the innevitable - the paper's demise
us of , due to psychologising of faith and sin and idolsing of sex as a need and right
of all ( thank God we now have Bl.Emmerrich's revelations that natural sex was
not even in the original plan of creation - Adamand Eve who were made in pure gloy
had beams of light for hair; they were to bring forth holy children through the spoken word, in joy and ecstacy of total union !
Instead , by listening to the voice of the serpent, its spiritual dominion had been brought forth .
Priesthood , in The Church , by the gift of the Holy Spirit is again given this power of spoken word , in the Sacraments , due to The Word himself who came to free us
from the slavery to sin and hatred .
True ,that the 60 s saw a torrent of the effect of bad voices in The Church ( mostly from secular world ) and confusion came in may be even in the concept of the mystical
relationship of priests as fathers, in imitation of our Lord ; some possibly having been \
misled into wrong concepts in this areas !
Sin also brings with it negative energy and inertia (Nazi Germany an example).
These crises and the anguish it generates could help many , including or esp.lay
persons to be made aware of abuse in its many forms in their own lives (any sin that damages ones holiness and relationship with our Father is an abuse !)
Such repentance then , along with pleading for mercy could bring in a flood gate of
graces into The Church , to help her to be tended onto higher pastures !
A much stronger Father relationship with our Triune God , in and through a stronger
Mother presence could be a critical need in preventing confusion and establishing
stronger Father relatioship among paint also ( and we are well familiar with the need
for same !)
Thus, let us hope that declaration of the 5th Dogma , having our Mother , pleased in
as Mother of all - sinner or saint, born or unborn which in tunr would bring in a deeper
awareness of God as Father of all could be the glorious fruit of this crisis !
Even the Orthodox might join us, thus to usher ina perios of true peace !
We apreciate your concerns if only they were genuine concerns for abused children. Islamic countries allow marriage of 7 year olds why isn't anybody figthing for these children. Abuses occur in other religious denominations why isnt the media reporting on this. NYT and all U in it's pockets are fighting a loosing battle
Having said that though I note that I cannot speak to Ginger’s points on the media coverage in her area, and I haven’t personally have not heard (or seen) the Church talking about the sins of others – churches or anyone else. The Church as best I can tell, and by that I mean the Vatican, is dealing only with the abuses within the Church. It is commentators like George Weigle who are pointing out what seems to be going on quite broadly in the secular press and beyond. I don’t know where Ginger lives but she surely does not live in Washington, DC, where Catholic stories are front page and school, Protestant and other cases of sexual abuse – of whatever kind -- are inside and usually in the Metro Section. Just last Sunday – Palm Sunday – readers of The Washington Post were treated to several items about the scandal in the Catholic Church; one a huge feature in the Opinion Section that was both venomous and misstated and distorted facts enthusiastically.
But there is no question that we have a severe problem in the Church; we have had it for decades yet the actions of the perpetrators, while revolting, are really less astonishing and of less systemic concern than the culture within our clerical structure that could have allowed it to happen and to persist for so long. That is the real problem to be addressed and one George Weigel has been addressing for years. Here I come back to the substance of the attacks and note that Mr. Weigle sees the matter clearly and a good eight years or so ago he published The Courage to be Catholic: Crisis, Reform and the Future of the Church setting out the entire problem and strategies for dealing with it.
If he is not the best at all this, I don’t know who is.
http://catholicanchor.org/wordpress/?p=601
"The problem is that our Church claims to be the the truth and the light, to have its moral authority handed down by Christ himself, to be the religion through whose intercession every person who ever lived on this earth will be saved. When our Church points fingers and cries, "Other religions do it, too! Our percentages of child abuse are no greater than anybody else's! Why don't you look at THEM? Conspiracy!", people jeer because it doesn't really matter what everyone else in the world does, does it? What matters is that we proclaim we are the One True Church. We should be held to a MUCH higher standard than schools, dysfunctional families, and other religions. "
What's this "we" stuff, Kimosabe? We, the Church, didn't molest anyone. Individuals who were members of the Church molested people. Their individual sinful conduct does not negate the Truth Claim of the Catholic Church, any more than Peter's cowardice or the immorality of members of the Corinthian Church affected the Church's Truth Claim in apostolic times. The Church had sinners in it from Day One. Christ knew that when He chose to found His Church, which He did after recruiting whom He did. He full well knew that priests of His Church would commit sins throughout the next centuries down to the End of the Age, yet He promised to remain with the Church until the End of the Age nevertheless.
Is it appropriate for the Catholic Church to point out that there are similar abuses going on in other churches and the public schools? Of course. The Media repeatedly emphasizes the pedophilia that has gone on in Catholic dioceses across the World, yet similar conduct by rabbis, ministers, boy and girl scout leaders, sports coaches and public school teachers of all sexes rarely receives more than episodic coverage. Pope Benedict should no more go to jail (as some purple editorialists have suggested), than should the Governors of many states whose teachers have been raping kids since the public schools were first formed. It is irresponsible to suggest those governors should go to jail and it is equally irresponsible to suggest that the Pope should.
I remember being in a high school in California in the early 1960's when a certain Father Rucker would fondle girls right out in the open just looking into their eyes while he placed a hand on a breast. The girls talked about his behavior but no one wanted to do anything about it. I remember saying we should just throw a blanket over his head and beat it with a baseball bat. Well, that might have been the wrong thing to do, but if it had got him to stop the Church in California would be millions richer as Rucker was responsible for much of their woes.
Do I believe in sacrifical love and forgiveness? Yes!I do. But I also believe in justice and that the revelation of truth is essential and divine.
I mean "REALLY"!!! What if it was your son or daughter!!!?
I was confronted about this by a well meaning friend recently, but I pointed out the tendency to blame the victim. The Church is the victim when the wolves enter in, as Jesus foretells in Matthew 7:15. There he speaks of false prophets infiltrating, but the same principle applies (I submit) whatever the diabolical purpose might be -- as for example, the infiltration by practicing homosexuals and pedophiles.
At one point the seminaries were notoriously negligent in guarding the gates, but thanks largely to Pope Benedict that has changed radically.
"This is not a time for Catholics to attack the world press. It is a time for us to disavow pedophilia in our church and the bishops who covered for offending priests. It is a time to demand that the Vatican get ahead of this rolling disasterl by giving us truthful answers as to what they have done, and what they will do from now on. "
Had she written this a decade ago, I might have agreed with the sentiments expressed, but the sentiments ignore a decade's worth of progress on coming to grips with the abuse issue. In fact, the US Catholic Church has been handling the issue in a responsible way for at least the past five years, and its approach is now being adopted in Ireland and other countries too.
The "new" revelations aimed at Pope Benedict on the Wisconsin and Bavarian priests dredge up two ancient cases where there had been no coverup. Both cases were reviewed by the competent civil authorities in a timely fashion.
In WI, the DA chose not to proceed with a prosecution presumably because of Statute of Limitations considerations. Yet, the Church continued to pursue its own internal case for abuse of the confessional against Fr. Murphy. As the judge on the case (Fr. T. Brundage) has recently written, that case continued right up until the death of Fr. Murphy. As to the Bavarian case, Cardinal Ratzinger's alleged "misconduct" was his 1980 approval of a transfer of the accused priest to the Munich Archdiocese so the priest could be given psychiatric treatment. As though psychiatric treatment were wrong? We may have learned that it has not proven effective for the treatment of pedophilia, but that was an empirical lesson still to be learned 30 years ago. Hindsight may be 20-20, but we live our lives and make our decisions in the quiddity of the present.
(PNVD, acronyms Netherlands), "can not be banned, as it has the same right to exist than any other party." The
objectives of this political party were: lowering the age of consent (12 years) for sex, legalizing child pornography,
supporting the hardcore porn broadcast on daytime television and allow bestiality (zoofilia). The party has just
dissolved this week. Apparently, has been the success of a "tough campaign" launched on all fronts, including
internet, by Catholic priest F. Di Noto, relentless in the fight against pedophilia.
The good news - whose hero is a Catholic priest - match another poor, which also starred priests of this confession. I
mean the media storm sparked by some priests that committed sexual abuse of minors. These are the details: 3,000
cases of diocesan priests involved in crimes in the past fifty years, although not all found guilty of conviction.
According to Charles J. Sicluna - something like the attorney general of the Vatican responsible for these crimes -:
"60% of these cases are 'ephebophilia', or being sexually attracted to adolescents of the same sex, 30% are
heterosexual relations, and 10%, acts of pedophilia true and proper, that is, sexual attraction to prepubescent
children. The latter are about three hundred. They are always too many, but we must recognize that the phenomenon
is not as widespread as they say. "
Indeed, if one considers that today there are about 500,000 diocesan and religious priests, these data-without ceasing
to be sad - put both percent not more than 0.6%. The most solid scientific work that I know of no Catholic author is
Professor Philip Jenkins, Pedophiles and Priest, Anatomy of a Contemporary Crisis (Oxford University Press). His
thesis is that the proportion of clergy with sexual disorder problem is lower in the Catholic Church than in other
confessions. And above all, much less than in other organized institutional models of coexistence. If the Catholic
Church is now more highlighted - and earlier also - is because of the centralization by the church of Rome, which
allows collection of information, accounting and know the problems with more immediacy than in other institutions
and organizations, religious or not. There are two recent examples that confirm the analysis of Jenkins. The data,
which the Austrian authorities just facilitated, indicates that, in the same period, cases of reported sexual abuse in
church-related institutions have been 17, while in other settings were 510. According to a report published by Luigi
Accatoli (a classic of the Corriere della Sera), from the 210,000 registered cases of sexual abuse in Germany since
1995, only 94 correspond to people or institutions of the Catholic Church. That represents a 0,045%.
I get the impression that an artificial climate of "moral panic" is being generated, which is not strange to some
pandemic or literary media focused on the "clergy sexual deviations," turned into a kind of moral swamp. Nothing
new, on the other hand, but now reaches disproportionate levels, following of the announcements a few days ago
about the cases in Germany, Austria and Holland. The campaign recalls the black legends about the topic in
medieval Europe, the Tudor England, revolutionary France or the German National Socialist. I do agree with
Jenkins when he observes: "the power of the continuing pedophile propaganda issue was one of the means of
propaganda and harassment used by politicians, in their attempt to break the power of the German Catholic Church,
especially in the field of education and social services. " This idea is illustrative, if you think about this comment by
Himmler: "Nobody knows what is happening behind the walls of the monasteries and in the ranks of the community
of Rome ..." Also today information and data are mixed and caused by provoked insinuations and
misunderstandings. In the end, the impression is that the only blame for this sad situation is the Catholic Church and
its sexual moral.
Said this, it is clear that the problem is serious enough to tackle it without obliquity's. Lets see their causes. I must
admit I was struck by the emphasis made by Benedict XVI as he repeated condemnation of these abuses on his
journey to America. Analysts, of course, were expecting some reference to the subject. But surprisingly, he four
times alluded to these scandals. And that is, in fact, that this issue has its roots in the sixties and seventies, but broke
early in the new millennium with its economic impact and the reparation for the victims. Something, I thought it
belonged to the past. A past which coincided with the flare of the sexual revolution of the sixties. It is when it was
discovered, among other likes and dislikes, the "novelty" of pedophilia, noting, inter alia, the demolition of the
"walls" erected to prevent erotic contact between adults and minors. Who does not remember - around that time - the
Mrs Robinson and Lolita ...? If one delves a bit, then one can see that some of the most current inflexible "moralists"
were the active apostles of the sexual liberation in the sixties / seventies.
This revolution marked a culture and his era, leaving a deep imprint, which also caught some clerical environments.
Thus, some Catholic Universities in America and Europe developed a misconceived teaching about human sexuality
and moral theology. As a generation, some of the seminarians were also not immune and then acted in an
undignified way. John Paul II strongly confronted against such corruption, canceling the permission to teach at those
universities to some teachers, including a Charles Curran, a qualified example of that trend.
Benedict XVI, despite the ancient roots of the problem, decided to act with zero tolerance against something which
tarnished the honor of the priesthood and the integrity of the victims. Hence his repeated references to the issue in
United States and rapid reaction to Rome calling those responsible, when the issue erupted in some dioceses of
Ireland. In fact, a strong letter just made public to the Church in Ireland, where the Pope is calling "traitors" those
guilty of abuse and announced, among other things, a rigorous inspection in dioceses, seminaries and religious
organizations. It is a sarcastic attempt to engage him now in priest sex scandals in the diocese ran by the Archbishop
Ratzinger for years. Especially if you think that it was precisely the Cardinal Ratzinger, who as prefect of the
Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, signed on May 18, 2001 a circular of ' delictis gravioribus' ("most serious
crimes") with tough enforcement action against those behaviors. The very fact that it reserved to the Holy See the
right to judge cases of pedophilia (along with the attacks on the sacraments of the Eucharist and Confession)
underscores the gravity that they confer, and the purpose of the trial does not appear "conditioned" by other local,
potentially more influenced.
Of course they bake beans everywhere. Nigel Hamilton has written about the U.S. presidency: "In the White House
we've had rapists, moths, and, to put it mildly, people with unusual sexual preferences. We had murderers, slaves,
cons, alcoholics, gamblers and addicts of all kinds. When a friend asked why President Kennedy allowed his lust to
interfere in national security, said: "I can not help it."
Faced with the problem, the Church is one of the few institutions that had not closed the windows and barricaded the
doors until the storm passes. Has not been huddled in itself like "the barbarians to retire to the woods." But stood up
to the problem, has toughened its laws, has apologized to the victims, have given compensation and has become
ruthless with the aggressors. Lets denounce the errors, of course, but let's be fair to those who did want to, unlike
Kennedy, avoid them.
Rafael Navarro-Valls
BIO (spanish):
http://sites.google.com/site/rnavarrovallsweb/
…this article recently appeared in the Spanish newspaper -El Mundo-. The translations is my own, an is not
authorized.
This is the link to the original article in Spanish:
http://elmundo.orbyt.es/2010/03/21/tu_mundo/1269204013.html
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The comments I see here seem to imply a mindset that priests are above the law, and answerable only to the Pope. No one who defends the actions of the church makes the argument that child rapists are punished by the church as they would be by secular authorities; no one seems to even consider why such a disparity should exist. Perhaps, in a world where the most severe acceptable punishment for rape is losing one's rank and career, we would all agree that the NYT is unfairly attacking the Catholics; but in the world I live in, I expect child rapists to direct their mea culpas to a grand jury.
None of you have mentioned the one statistic that would be relevant to Matt's claim, namely the percentage of child abusers in the general adult population. Without this information (which none of you have provided in your somewhat confusing and confused manipulations of numbers) no meaningful comparison can be made.
(Jamesz1a says
% of pop. That are abusers (2% x 218,000,000) 4,360,000
but there is not source for the claim that 2% of the population are abusers, other than the claim that 2% of priests are abusers. Effectively James builds his conclusion in here -- he begs the question, in the logician's sense.)
She adds that if the crisis "mostly involves men and boys, that's partly because priests for many years had unquestioned access to boys." Yes, but it's mainly because so many of those priests were homosexuals who, in the spirit of the '60s and '70s, were not "judged" for letting it all hang out.
Going from bad to worse, the apparently ex-Catholic Dowd says it is "throw[ing] gorilla dust" to say that at the time of the Father Murphy abuses in Wisconsin--the '60s and '70s--therapy and "inclusiveness" were all the rage for sexual predators and other criminals, and that the Church was influenced by this spirit of the age. But what if it makes perfect sense? There's no gorilla dust here, only the massive obtuseness (and anti-Catholic venom) of Maureen Dowd.
Fr. Brundage continues:
“As I have found that the reporting on this issue has been inaccurate and poor in terms of the facts, I am also writing out of a sense of duty to the truth,” he continued. “The fact that I presided over this trial and have never once been contacted by any news organization for comment speaks for itself."
http://www.catholicnewsagency.com/news/reports_blaming_pope_for_mishandled_sex_abuse_case_are_inaccurate_church_judge_reveals/
J.K. Chesterton saw this coming hundred years ago when he said: “What is really working in the world today is Anti-Catholicism and nothing else. It certainly is not Protestantism” (The Well and the Shallows). But what he also said that it should be taken as a supreme compliment that the world will not tolerate evil in the Catholic Church while it tolerates evil everywhere else. (The Thing).
I also had to leave the public school system when I noted that friends of mine and friends of someone with whom I did not get along emerged from the bathroom at junior high school $5 richer than when they entered (my weekly allowance was 25 cents). The student with whom I did not get along and I went to the principal together to report what we saw, which might have added to our credibility. The offending teacher was transferred to the public high school. I decided it was time to go to a Catholic high school, to get away from the perverts and the incompetent administrators. It worked.
Sexual immorality among heterosexuals could in some way predispose the culture at large , to homosexulaity too - when the two that have become one, then join another ,easy to see how confusion sets in !
There could even be a possibilty of bad voices , or even just seductive voices from watching too many even heterosexual films and such that are also influencing persons !
After all, in the normal , natural world , how often is one supposed to hear such !
Our first parents , who were made in Godly glory ( beams of light for hair !) were going to be given power to bring forth holy children, through the spoken word , in perfect harmony !( revelation of Bl.Emmerich .)
The dominion of the evil one came into that power when they listened to its voice !
Elisabeth was filled with the Holy Spirit , when our Mother's voice fell in her ears !
The culture recognising that sex as it is now was not even in the original pristine plan could help many to know that celibate priests are not deprived , just closer to the Father's plan , that they are given the Holy Spirit power , to bring forth Godly life in others !
Listening to Godly voices, in Liturgy , holy chants , rosary , the word and avoiding too much suggestive voices - such could be the ways for the oversexed culture , to take Godly dominion in this area .
Who knows how many have been led astray by the mocking laughter in T.V that scorns all Godly values !
So, hopefully , these scandals would unleash enough Father love in the heart of The Church , to snatch up a whole lot of people from enemy lands by deploying what we would know need to happen ; no wonder it is out for war !
Given that in shear numbers the majority of accusations against priests are false, how could the Church possibly hold to a you’re automatically guilty if accused policy. Obviously, all the world’s religion haters could clear out the entire priesthood in less than a year.
That said, we should immediately adopt a zero tolerance policy: one instance and you're out of the priesthood. There's no reason why an ex-priest can't be a Catholic--God knows we're a spotty lot but we try our best-- but he shouldn't remain a priest. We as the lay should insist on this when our leadership for whatever reason does not.
And we should continue to pray for our priests, that they triumph over their weak impulses and lesser selves and that the priesthood attracts men of honor and faith. They need to call out their fellow priests when they see it needs to be done, and have the courage to go to their superiors with any information. And the superiors need to act firmly to address these issues. Zero tolerance.
The point is : she hasn't got anything to say at all
Hence: she insults people. While priests the world over spend hours educating children and they do most of their work for free she is paid to write insults and slogans on a newspaper... and in a month or two her big story and her name will be forgotten even by her readers
Yet many of the commenters here and elsewhere complain of the Church's handling of sexual predators as if the wrong-headed and ineffectual approaches in use during the '70s and the '80s, were still operational today.
They are not. And these commenters know they are not, yet they continue to compare what the Church was doing back then to what non-Catholic entities do today - that is, to stop the predators in their tracks.
As if the Catholic Church weren't now handling these predators in the exact same way that non-Catholic entities are handling theirs. Today.
Zero tolerance, which is the right way to go, has now been the Church's policy for years. All but a tiny number of predators have been smoked out and are gone.
But the solid improvements present in the current state of affairs - the virtual absence of ongoing predation within the Catholic Church TODAY is never alluded to in all this ongoing publicity, is it?
Is it?
No, it is not. And it is not alluded to, I believe, because as Mr. Weigel notes, ". . . the crisis of sexual abuse and episcopal malfeasance has been seized upon by the Church’s enemies to cripple it, morally and financially, and to cripple its leaders."
If we started actually comparing how the Catholic Church is CURRENTLY handling sexual predators within it ranks to how the public schools, for example, are CURRENTLY dealing with their CURRENT predators, we would observe that the approaches fairly closely match. As to children and their predators.
I'm not talking about punishments, or apologies, or transfers, or publicity, or pay-offs or other peripheral matters.
I'm talking about VICTIMS and PREDATORS. And predators' access to victims
Today. RIGHT NOW.
Today and right now, the Church is doing the right thing for children's safety and welfare as it pertains to predator's access to victims.
That's the crux, and that's the bottom line.
For people genuinely concerned with children's safety and welfare, I think that's an important piece of information.
But then, enemies of the Church are not concerned with children's safety or children's welfare. Nor are they concerned with the truth. Instead, in their quest, as Mr. Weigel puts it, to morally and financially cripple the Catholic Church, the Church's enemies refuse to acknowledge the truth that the Church's present committment to children's safety and welfare is where it needs to be, and where it should stay.
It's easy to see that these enemies of the Church are dishonest and disingenuous phoneys. I am amazed that everyone doesn't see through them. But as Mr. Barnum said, there's a sucker born every minute.
"If it is true that the New York Times has acted so irresponsible, why doesn't Mr Weigel take it to court for libelling the Church and the Pope? Apart from doing the Pope and the Church a great deal of good he could also make a fortune! "
"Irresponsibility" (i.e., negligence) is irrelevant when a Libel suit is brought against a newspaper by a "public figure" such as the Pope . The New York Times of all papers knows that! Indeed, such a case would be judged under the almost impossible to satisfy test set forth in a 1960s case brought against the New York Times (NYT v Sullivan), which requires not just falsity but malice.
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We read in God's word how He forgets our sins when we repent ; now , true repentance that is life changing needs God's mercy , to make one constantly aware of His love and presence and mercy !
Yet, even the seeming delay and the unintentional noninvolvement from higer
ups could be too have been His mercy, to give time for repentance for atleast some perpetrators , time for victims to be strong enough to live through the pain and shame of the experience before testifying - till the judgement times came forth , in His own time !
And we can be pretty much certain that prayers of Pope John Paul 11 are there too , strenghtening our Holy Father as well as others to take on this huge task of cleansing out The Church for once and all and taking that strenght , to may be even the wider world out there !
Last evening on Australian ABC radio I heard a new descriptor - a shame of journalists. This would certainly be most apt when applied to various media outlets who have forgone facts for fallacies when attacking Pope Benedict 16th for his putative cover-up of sexual abuse by priests.
The timeline of events related for example to the Fr Murphy case, easily sourced on the internet by fair-minded readers, clearly demonstrates that some media outlets, notably the New York Times, have behaved shamefully.
Kind regards
John Wilks
AUSTRALIA
Archbishop Dolan is also about as far different from Weakland as possible. Archbishop Dolan is a theological conservative, Weakland was an advocate of theological relativity.
I would join with others in asking why the Catholic Church has defrocked if not excommunicated Weakland. Coming from The Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints where excommunication is done at a more local level and more commonly than in the Catholic Church, and probably over half of all excommunications are for adultery, although apostasy, other sexual crimes, serious criminal offenses and many other things will also lead to it, I always wonder why the Catholic Church does not excommunicate more people.
It is clear though that the claims of the New York Times, that the scandal are a reflection of a centralized authority, are unsupported. While the claims that post-Vatican II seminary rules are the source of the problem ignore the large numbers of cases that pre-date Vatican II, and the attempt to class it all as "homosexuality" ignores that about a third of the cases involve females, and probably more like 40% of the perpetrators preyed on females since most of the truly egregious cases of huge numbers of victims involved preying on boys and minor males, so issues are more complexed than some want to admit.
Still, it seems odd that only in cases where there are attempts to destroy an institution is sex with a 17-year-old, be they a male or a female, a relationship with a "young boy" or "young girl" or even an "innocent child".
The fact of the matter is in the 1980s a Democrat Representative from Massachusetts admitted having sexual relations with his 17-year-old page. Since he did this in Morocco he did not break statutory rape laws (but somehow I suspect homosexual relations of anykind are illegal in Morocco). This representative did not apologize, he boldly claimed that what he did was OK, and the people of Massachusetts returned him several times to the US house.
At the same time a representative from Illinois was revealed to have had sexual relations with his female page. He apologized and sought forgiveness, but was defeated in his run for re-election.
You can defer all you want, but this is simply the kind of thing that happens when we allow our morality to be governed by the writings of bronze-age goatherds as interpreted by men who hear voices in their heads.
I suggest that the primary reason why reported cases of sexual abuse of minors by Catholic priests spiked in the 1960s is that period is the same period when there was a peak in the number of priests and enrollment in Catholic schools. Since that time, the number of priests in the sexually active age bracket and the number of students enrolled in Catholic schools have each dropped by about two-thirds. This would result in 1/9 the number of possible interactions between priests and children.
It is also very misleading and dangerous to report the number of cases reported in 2009, as if this was a positive indication of any effort by the Church to address the issue. As advocates of statute of limitations reform have rightfully advised, it may take many years, even decades, if at all, for an abused child to report an incident of sexual abuse.
What is really needed in this discussion is not name calling, demonizing, or pursuit of personal agendas, but a sincere effort to address an important issue. i.e, what is best for the minor age victims of clerical sexual abuse.
90% of minor age victims of sexual abuse never make an allegation. They remain anonymous to us. However, even though we do not know their names and faces, the Church can provide comfort to these people by revealing all information about the abuses and all information about those who aided the cover-up. Surely this is the very least the Church can do for people who suffer effects of their abuse every day of their lives.
In both the U.S. and Europe, the scandal was dug up and made famous by the press. This has aroused resentment among church leaders, who this week accused journalists of spreading "gossip," of going into "attack mode" and showing "bias."
But this is not true, or to the degree it is true, it is irrelevant. All sorts of people have all sorts of motives, but the fact is that the press—the journalistic establishment in the U.S. and Europe—has been the best friend of the Catholic Church on this issue. Let me repeat that: The press has been the best friend of the Catholic Church on the scandals because it exposed the story and made the church face it. The press forced the church to admit, confront and attempt to redress what had happened. The press forced them to confess. The press forced the church to change the old regime and begin to come to terms with the abusers. The church shouldn't be saying j'accuse but thank you.
Without this pressure—without the famous 2002 Boston Globe Spotlight series with its monumental detailing of the sex abuse scandals in just one state, Massachusetts—the church would most likely have continued to do what it has done for half a century, which is look away, hush up, pay off and transfer.
In fact, the press came late to the story. The mainstream media almost had to be dragged to it. It was there waiting to be told at least by the 1990s, but broadcast news shows and big newspapers weren't keen to go after it. It would take months or years to report and consume huge amounts of labor, time and money—endless digging through court records, locating victims and victimizers, getting people who don't want to talk to talk. And after all that, the payoff could be predicted: You'd get slammed by the church as biased, criticized by sincerely disbelieving churchgoers, and maybe get a boycott from a few million Catholics. No one wanted that.
An irony: Non-Catholic members of the media were, in my observation, the least likely to want to go after the story, because they didn't want to look like they were Catholic-bashing. An irony within the irony: Some journalists didn't think to go after the story because they really didn't much like the Catholic Church. Because of this bias, they didn't see the story as a story. They thought this was how the church always operated. It didn't register with them that it was a scandal. They didn't know it was news.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052702303960604575158310656792820.html
I think you just answered your own question, didn't you? There are no celibacy requirements for teachers, coaches, stepdads, live-in boyfriends, grandfathers, cub scout leaders, etc., etc., and yet abuse happens in these settings more frequently than within the Church. What good would it do to "revisit" the celibacy requirement? In my opinion, it would only diminish the beauty of the priesthood and hold those responsible for abuse even less accountable ("The celibacy made me do it!"). How ridiculous.
The Vatican's reactions are illustrated by shocking statements such as those made by the Pope's personal preacher, Father Raniero Cantalamessa who likened criticizing the Papacy for gross negligence to the Holocaust. The absurdity of this comment grows exponentially when one considers that Mr. Ratzinger is a former (conscripted) member of the Nazi paramilitary group, Hitler Youth.
The Catholic Church is no victim, it is an institution with immense earthly riches (recognized as an earthly sovereign state), created and maintained by flawed earthly men. These flawed, earthly men created the Vatican document, Crimen Sollicitationis, that outlined strict instructions for covering up the criminal actions (serial child rape) committed by pederast priests.
Some journalists have indeed been reporting unfairly as far as the church is concerned. The Times Richard Owen for instance, speaking about Father Amorth, an exorcist who works at the Vatican, writes that Father Amorth claims to have dealt with 70000 cases of posession. In fact Father Amorth has recently asserted that in all his life, he has dealt with less then 10 people, who-according to him- were posessed. Now I dont' want you to believe in the existence of such an entity but what point was R. Owen trying to make? Does he like making fun of the Times' readers? Owen has recently published an article In a communist Italian magazine in which he says he feels that his task is that of telling people the truth...it's also interesting that a journalist who writes on a conservative newspaper( we are talking about The London Times)sells article to communist magazines...Richard Owen also published an article in whic he copied the story published by the Nyt as far as the Murphy case is concerned. Maybe the copycats are more to blame than the Nyt itself. Because at least the Nyt has (maybe) done sm research about it while Owen just copied the story and from the headline as well as the article he has written the appearance is that the story published by the Nty is the only possible truth ... Now that it has been debunked Owen hasn't apologized for that. Nor has the Nyt.
R Owen was also criticized in 2009 by some Italian newspapers for reporting news from Italy badly and unfairly.
If not all journalists are biased and shallow as some of them are,the media the world over(with some due exceptions) are failing to report about the great help ordinary catholic priests give in extremely poor areas of the globe, and the persecutions of Christians in dictatorships the world over ( where christians are still being killed for their faith) We are not hearing much of this from the media,are we?
Yet, it possibly would take lots of work and coordination , to be rid off these too !
May be that would be another good that would come from these scandals - true cleaning all around !
Between the 1+ billion Catholics and all the rest of the poor in the world that The Church often tries to help too, and all the future generations that these wealth belongs to , how wealthy really is The Church , in her worldly holdings !
We read how Pope John Paul 11 died without any earthly wealth , almost penniless ( and all the richer for same , in heaven !)
There was a time when Church used to require public confessions and public penances ; then , in His mercy, She was tended onto more merciful ways of dealing with offenses and sin , may be aware of grace of repentance being stronger, from all the merits of her growing number of heroic saints that intercede and help The Church Militant , from heaven !
That is , until these times of ours when evil and its effects have grown much along with all forms of abuse - esp. in interpersonal realms in families, marriage, towards the unborn , towards sacredness of body !
Time to be tended onto more drastic measures again , also to help the abusive world out there too , to raise its conscience of how wrong it is !
True, media has helped , esp. in the above, to raise awareness of abuse which happens to be much worse in the secular world and how denyiny ones God given manhood and father identity are all abuse !
Let us hope that every scandal report would make the public ask themselves - are they too part of the problem !
The Church is wealthy , in what She has to offer as far as remedies ; let us hope She would use these liberally , with power of holiness, bringing the searching , lost sons , to The Father's merciful holy realtionship so that they would recognise that their weaknesses and shame , can be repented and washed off too, in The Precious Blood of mercy, that make them aware that they too are precious , as those in special need of mercy ; once they tasted same , they will be new , who would only care to keep gazing at that merciful Face !
True, some may be so hardened and in the grip of such evil that it would take The Church to sharpen up the exorcism skills very much and keep the afflicted away and confined , till they are tottally free of evil inclinations - which may not even be in this life ! Such power of exorcism is too her real wealth ( her Lord had shown her how to free even the ones infested by legion of evil !)
So, let us be the army that pleads for mercy that sets hard hearts free of evil , bring in Godly wisdom into more areas and persons !
Such is our wealth !
Child abuse is a horrible reality and it is not limited to the Roman Catholic Church. The lid has been blown off of the secrecy that helped protect a minority of priests who abused.
I think that the next step needs to be taken. We need to blow the lid open on the biggest place of child abuse which is in the family. But this is difficult because the family will keep the secret much more securely than even a church, or school board, etc.
I believe that a lot of the anger over child sex abuse that is directed at the Church is because of the anger that is boiling in society over the horrific situation which sees so much abuse committed against the most vulnerable -- the children -- in a variety of institutions. The Church has become the flash point for that anger and I believe that this is unfair but perhaps understandable.
People who say that the Roman Catholic Church has not done anything to start cleaning this up are unfair and have a hatred that goes beyond reason. The Church has done a lot and continues to do much to ensure that this is cleaned up.
People who say that celibacy is the problem are not realistic and are really just promoting a personal agenda.
People who think that all priests are abusers (at least at heart) are idiots and should keep their illogical rants to themselves. Such generalizations are always false bespeak a hatred rather than a concern.
And what about the majority of priests who work hard, who live out their vows with faithfulness? The men who really do care about the faith and the salvation of souls are the majority. They are having the anger of society centred on them because of the actions of a few of their confreres.
Charaterizing and generalizing the actions of a few onto an entire group is evil and wrong. Nothing good can come of this type of thinking. In other areas of secular life, it would be called something akin to racisim.
Just as Ivan was never abused, neither was I. However, one should realize that an abuser grooms potential victims, seeking a person that would be compliant and one who would not report an incident. After all, an abuser does not want to get caught! I can only assume many others like myself have not been abused because an abuser would easily be rebuffed and/or would fear that if they tried something untoward they would be reported.
A number of respondents have defended the rank and file clergy. I know many good men who are priests, but until all priests clamor for the release of all records of the credibly alleged abusers and those who are complicit in the concealment, all priests will have the dark cloud of the scandal above them.
If these priests are such good men, why are they not demanding the release of all information? Just think of the positive impact that would have on all victims and on the Church?
Their purpose - to impose their own radical agendas of sexuality, morailty, politics, genetics, and social behaviors into main stream America under the guise of tolerance and social justice. The Catholic Church is their largest obstacle because its code of morality and principles of faith are inherently opposed to the idolatry and immorality inherent in this godless and corrupted culture. And, Sin by its nature currupts.
They are supported by a popular and corrupted media which draws more and more of its worker bees from our corrupted educational system which ignores historical evidence. They have little if any instruction in logic or reason or the Greek classics. Rather, they have been trained to despise and mock most religions, especially Christians. They type cast its beleivers as followers of foolish myths and legends.
Where Roe v. Wade showed the willingness of government to turn its head away from protecting the life of the unborn, the Terry Shiavo case further revealed how corrupted our government has become in it's unwillingness to even defend one innocent life outside of the womb. The killing of Terry, by government sanction highlights the antagonism to Christianity which has been allowed into its halls and chambers. Terry's family, her parents and brother were each practicing Catholics.
And so, this corrupted media, driven by an even more corrupted, powerful and power hungry elite group of politicians, lawyers, and judges constantly attacks the Church, especially the Catholic Church, because the end game is to make the Church less powerful, less of a voice for truth, freedom and life. Marginalize it, and you can spread more corruption, immorality and lies upon a naive society.
Instead of looking at the beam in its own eyes, it is content with the speck in the Church's - 6 cases in 2009 versus what 37,000 others reported elsewhere. Imagine if the witchhunt that has been unleashed on the Church the last two decades now focused its attention to these other institutions? It should be for the sake of all these other children?
We are witnessing nothing less than a new age of persecution of the Church.
"2 percent of sex abuse offenders were Catholic priests - That would suggest that priests are more than 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population".
Even if George Weigel wants to defend the truth about the Church, He gives completely wrong numbers of priests involved therein. The source is probably here: „ According to a survey by the New York Times, 1.8 percent of all priests ordained from 1950 to 2001 have been accused of child sexual abuse”.
But there is a great difference between saying: “about 2% of priests were child abusers” and saying “2% of child abusers were priest” (if 50% of priests are older than 60, it does not follow, that 50% of people older than 60 are priests, does it?).
This error was already widely repeated in European media, unfortunately, because Weigel is very popular in Europe. And, yes, if true, it WOULD really prove that priests are 100 times more likely to commit sexual abuse than the general population. Thank God, it is NOT true….
I boycotted it long ago. As a student of Psychology and I have studied Sexual abuse for years, I can honestly state that sexual abuse is an epidemic. Especially in the Family. The New York Times couldn't care less about abuse. They never report on abuse, other then the Catholic Church. This Pope is one of Greatest Popes the Church has ever had. Firstly the New York Times is doing very badly, and can only be kept alive by money from severe left wing propaganda ,communist nuts, with an anti catholic agenda. In other words they really paper the house. Nobody buys this rag anymore. If the world hates you they hated me first, were the words of Our Risen lord. The fact that the media hates the Church is more then ample evidence that The Catholic Church is the only True Church. the "descendants" of the ones who crucified Christ our alive today, (and we all know who they are) to Crucify The Bride Of Christ.
Christ Built His Church On a Rock and the gates of Hell will not prevail upon it, no such luck for The New York Slime.
Hope you would look up St.Maria Goretti ,an 11 y.o girl ,who was able to resist a knife weilding attacker !
Do many of the victims have a deep sense of remorseand shame about their own role , not that it should by any means lessen the impact of the offense !
Yet, that may be the hardest part to admit and be forgiven !
True, The Church as it does now , should have had tight protocols to deal with these situations , may be not just in a legal manner but more with spiritual remedies too ; lots of confusion and apathy could have been from reluctance to apply themselves in this manner, in an era when many may not even have believed in such remedies - exorcism, penances, isolation , supervision ! There might have been the vain and slothful hope that these persons , just from being transferred would recognise that they are being watched and would stop !But , no ! Hold of evil too strong and power of holiness to expel evil not very available or not used !
Hope that many who have lost hope and hold bittreness would seek intercession of St.Maria Goretti, St.Bakhita - a modern African saint , who was terribly tortured by her slave holders, yet went on to become a joyful person, with an incorrupt body !
There are two Persons who alone would know what it is to be abused and tortured , in total innocense and yet were able to be in the flow of love , from The Father and for The Father , to make same available for us , for our deepest wounds , the healing Presence of love !
He has made HImself as small as bread,bread of merciful love, to bring His mercy, into all our deep hungers, hunger to be heard, to be accepted, to take even revenge , in is way and time, so that the sinner too would recognise his littleness and need for mercy !
1) Why is the Catholic Church the only organisation, that when any suspicion of child abuse is raised do not have to report it to authorities?
(All teachers at my school [In Mackay, QLD, Australia] receive a $3000 fine if they do not report ANY single suspicion of child abuse or sexual abuse to higher authorities)
2) If there is so "little" amounts of child abuse in the churches, why is there a 2000-year paper trail of Church documents showing this first became an issue in the years following Jesus’ death?
3) Many people that attempt to defend the Catholic church state the statistics that show that almost ALL of the pedophiles in the churchs are actually homosexuals that prey on younger children. If this is correct than why do so many homosexuals decide to join the church?
4) If my educated estimates are correct, the homosexuals join the church as they see it as a safehaven. The reason they see this as a safehaven is because the church takes care of their pedophiles and child abusers in their own way, without handing these cases over to the police. Why do you not get the police to help when you get reports of pedophilia?
1) Why is the Catholic Church the only organisation, that when any suspicion of child abuse is raised do not have to report it to authorities?
(All teachers at my school [In Mackay, QLD, Australia] receive a $3000 fine if they do not report ANY single suspicion of child abuse or sexual abuse to higher authorities)
2) If there is so "little" amounts of child abuse in the churches, why is there a 2000-year paper trail of Church documents showing this first became an issue in the years following Jesus’ death?
3) Many people that attempt to defend the Catholic church state the statistics that show that almost ALL of the pedophiles in the churchs are actually homosexuals [Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female, A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States] that prey on younger children. If this is correct than why do so many homosexuals decide to join the church?
4) If my educated estimates are correct, the homosexuals join the church as they see it as a safehaven. The reason they see this as a safehaven is because the church takes care of their pedophiles and child abusers in their own way, without handing these cases over to the police. Why do you not get the police to help when you get reports of pedophilia?
5) George stated that "2% of priests are pedophiles". Well if so why does "A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States" show that it is more like 4% AND just remember just because 2% / 4% of preists are pedophiles doesnt mean that they had only one victim each, 3.5% of pedophile priests had 10 or more victims.
So after all this evidence showing that there is a problem with their priests being homosexuals/ pedophiles and corrupt why has the church not released all their documentation and handed all cases over to police?
I would like for someone to answer my questions without saying "such an attack on our lord" or "only used for personal agendas". Honestly just answer my questions as I dont know the answers.
1) Why is the Catholic Church the only organisation, that when any suspicion of child abuse is raised do not have to report it to authorities?
(All teachers at my school [In Mackay, QLD, Australia] receive a $3000 fine if they do not report ANY single suspicion of child abuse or sexual abuse to higher authorities)
MY ANSWER:This is not how the Church works. The divine court pardons anyone who pleads guilty with ecclesiastical sanctions (read Canon Law for details on this) not so in the civil court. It is important to note however that any Church authority could advise and /or encourage the family of the victim to file a case against the abuser. The Church cannot file the case for the victims.
2) If there is so "little" amounts of child abuse in the churches, why is there a 2000-year paper trail of Church documents showing this first became an issue in the years following Jesus’ death?
ANSWER: I do not data on this.
3) Many people that attempt to defend the Catholic church state the statistics that show that almost ALL of the pedophiles in the churchs are actually homosexuals [Victims' gender: 81% male, 19% female, A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States] that prey on younger children. If this is correct than why do so many homosexuals decide to join the church?
MY ANSWER:In my opinion, many homosexuals think that joining the Church is the cure to their homosexuality. The Church has been stringent on this matter by clarifying that "wanting" to be called is not the same as "having" the calling and the conditions for it , i.e. emotional maturity, sexual stability.
4) If my educated estimates are correct, the homosexuals join the church as they see it as a safehaven. The reason they see this as a safehaven is because the church takes care of their pedophiles and child abusers in their own way, without handing these cases over to the police. Why do you not get the police to help when you get reports of pedophilia?
MY ANSWERL:Lapses in vocation and mishandling of these lapses and the consequent abuses are a reality but I do not believe that the church "takes care" of their pedophiles. Quoting Weigel: "It was Joseph Cardinal Ratzinger who, as prefect CDF, was determined to discover the truth about Maciel; it was Pope Benedict XVI who put Maciel under virtual ecclesiastical house arrest during his last years, and who then ordered an Apostolic Visitation of the Legion of Christ that is currently being concluded: hardly the acts of a man at the center of a conspiracy of silence and cover-up." If one is not "on either side of the fence on this issue", then questions on why the media did not investigate on wh JP II chose Ratzinger to clean up seminaries of many dioceses with such abuses, have been posed? That Ratzinger is not the problem but part of the solution to the problem was never even taken into account. The then Cardinal, Ratzinger who was tasked by JPII to investigate and to clean it up became the culprit.
5) George stated that "2% of priests are pedophiles". Well if so why does "A Report on the Crisis in the Catholic Church in the United States" show that it is more like 4% AND just remember just because 2% / 4% of preists are pedophiles doesnt mean that they had only one victim each, 3.5% of pedophile priests had 10 or more victims.
So after all this evidence showing that there is a problem with their priests being homosexuals/ pedophiles and corrupt why has the church not released all their documentation and handed all cases over to police?
MY ANSWER: The Church is not a Civil Court. The Church is the People of God under one head, Christ, with Peter (the pope) as its head on earth. Civil Court punishes the accused if found guilty. The Church helps the abuser repent and begin a new life as well as protect the abused child from unnecessary and shameless exposure to the ruthless curiosity of the public. The Church helps both the victim and the abuser. The Church sanctions the guilty and advises the family of the victim to take legal action.
One thing that could help explain this is the rule of secrecy in the Sacrament of Confession for us Catholics, where the priests cannot hand over to the police sinners who admit their crimes in confession. The confessor can only guide the sinner by turning himself over to the authorities and be save his soul by the this act of justice.
However, "if bishops or priests become aware of crimes commited by their priests outside the sacrament of confession, they are obliged to report them to the judicial authorities" --Msgr Scicluna, Promoter of justice of the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith, handles cases brought against abusive priests.
I would like for someone to answer my questions without saying "such an attack on our lord" or "only used for personal agendas". Honestly just answer my questions as I dont know the answers.
The ff articles could help you probe on issue:
http://www.zenit.org/article-28634?l=english On the Church's Strict Patrol on Pedophilia
http://www.vatican.va/resources/resources_card-levada2010_en.html on The New York Times and Pope Benedict XVI.
Doesn't the fact that the same hands that were administering communion were the instruments of abuse? And the same ears that heard confessions were hearing (or deliberately not hearing) the sounds of children being abused?
Count me as someone who is absolutely stunned on one level and totally unsurprised on another level that the Church hierarchy circled in and used canon law to protest priests who were known pedophiles and abusers - and that there was a formal system in place to deal with these priests, including 'rest camps' and other priests who facilitated the use of canon law to keep the actual crimes these priests committed from being reported to authorities and prosecuted.
Mr. Wiegel and his wife have three children. How would he feel about this issue had one of his children been an abuse victim? Would he still feel comfortable mounting semantic defenses and expecting people outside the Church to condone a cover-up because, well, after all, they're Priest and this is the Church? I seriously doubt it.
Well said. If there are problems in the church, then it should be changed. Having children victimized is a terrible thing, and just because it is a Christian organization, it should not be protected. Those doing such devious acts should be punished.



No one seems to want to answer a very simple question. The church knew of the behavior of many of these priests, bishops and cardinals; and the church knew of Weakland's anti-Catholic teachings, yet the church did nothing for years. If anything the church aided and abetted the behavior. Why?