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Catholics and the Next America

One of the key myths of the American Catholic imagination is this: After 200 years of fighting against public prejudice, Catholics finally broke through into America’s mainstream with the 1960 election of John F. Kennedy as president. It’s a happy thought, and not without grounding. Next to America’s broad collection of evangelical churches, baptized Catholics now make up the biggest religious community in the United States. They serve in large numbers in Congress. They have a majority on the Supreme Court. They play commanding roles in the professions and in business leadership. They’ve climbed, at long last, the Mt. Zion of social acceptance.

So goes the tale. What this has actually meant for the direction of American life, however, is another matter. Catholic statistics once seemed impressive. They filled many of us with tribal pride. But they didn’t stop a new and quite alien national landscape, a “next America,” from emerging right under our noses.

While both Barna Group and Pew Research Center data show that Americans remain a broadly Christian people, old religious loyalties are steadily softening. Overall, the number of Americans claiming no religious affiliation, about 16 percent, has doubled since 1990. One quarter of Americans aged 18-29 have no affiliation with any particular religion, and as the Barna Group noted in 2007, they “exhibit a greater degree of criticism toward Christianity than did previous generations when they were at the same stage of life. In fact, in just a decade . . . the Christian image [has] shifted substantially downward, fueled in part by a growing sense of disengagement and disillusionment among young people.”

Catholic losses have been masked by Latino immigration. But while 31 percent of Americans say they were raised in the Catholic faith, fewer than 24 percent of Americans now describe themselves as Catholic.

These facts have weight because, traditionally, religious faith has provided the basis for Americans’ moral consensus. And that moral consensus has informed American social policy and law. What people believe—or don’t believe—about God, helps to shape what they believe about men and women. And what they believe about men and women creates the framework for a nation’s public life.

Or to put it more plainly: In the coming decades Catholics will likely find it harder, not easier, to influence the course of American culture, or even to live their faith authentically. And the big difference between the “next America” and the old one will be that plenty of other committed religious believers may find themselves in the same unpleasant jam as their Catholic cousins.

At first hearing, this scenario might sound implausible; and for good reason. The roots of the American experience are deeply Protestant. They go back a very long way, to well before the nation’s founding. Whatever one thinks of the early Puritan colonists—and Catholics have few reasons to remember them fondly—no reader can study Gov. John Winthrop’s great 1630 homily before embarking for New England without being moved by the zeal and candor of the faith that produced it. In “A model of Christian charity,” he told his fellow colonists:


We are a company professing ourselves fellow members of Christ . . . That which the most in their churches maintain as truth in profession only, we must bring into familiar and constant practice; as in this duty of love, we must love brotherly without dissimulation, we must love one another with pure heart fervently. We must bear one another’s burdens. We must look not only on our own things, but also on the things of our brethren . . . We must be willing to abridge ourselves of our superfluities, for the supply of others’ necessities. We must uphold a familiar commerce together in all meekness, gentleness, patience and liberality. We must delight in each; make others’ conditions our own; rejoice together, mourn together, labor and suffer together, always having before our eyes our commission and community in the work, as members of the same body. So we will keep the unity of the spirit in the bond of peace.

Not a bad summary of Christian discipleship, made urgent for Winthrop by the prospect of leading 700 souls on a hard, two-month voyage across the North Atlantic to an equally hard New World. What happened when they got there is a matter of historical record. And different agendas interpret the record differently.

The Puritan habits of hard work, industry and faith branded themselves on the American personality. While Puritan influence later diluted in waves of immigrants from other Protestant traditions, it clearly helped shape the political beliefs of John Adams and many of the other American Founders. Adams and his colleagues were men who, as Daniel Boorstin once suggested, had minds that were a “miscellany and a museum;” men who could blend the old and the new, an earnest Christian faith and Enlightenment ideas, without destroying either.

But beginning in the nineteenth century, riding a crest of scientific and industrial change, a different view of the Puritans began to emerge. In the language of their critics, the Puritans were seen as intolerant, sexually repressed, narrow-minded witch-hunters who masked material greed with a veneer of Calvinist virtue. Cast as religious fanatics, the Puritans stood accused of planting the seed of nationalist messianism by portraying America as a New Jerusalem, a “city upon a hill” (from Winthrop’s homily), with a globally redemptive mission. H.L. Mencken—equally skilled as a writer, humorist and anti-religious bigot—famously described the Puritan as a man “with the haunting fear that someone, somewhere, may be happy.”

In recent years, scholars like Christian Smith have shown how the intellectual weakness and fierce internal divisions of America’s Protestant establishment allowed “the secularization of modern public life as a kind of political revolution.” Carried out mainly between 1870 and 1930, this “rebel insurgency consisted of waves of networks of activists who were largely skeptical, freethinking, agnostic, atheist or theologically liberal; who were well educated and socially located mainly in the knowledge-production occupations, and who generally espoused materialism, naturalism, positivism and the privatization or extinction of religion.”

This insurgency could be ignored, or at least contained, for a long time. Why? Because America’s social consensus supported the country’s unofficial Christian assumptions, traditions and religion-friendly habits of thought and behavior. But law—even a constitutional guarantee—is only as strong as the popular belief that sustains it. That traditional consensus is now much weakened. Seventy years of soft atheism trickling down in a steady catechesis from our universities, social-science “helping professions,” and entertainment and news media, have eroded it.

Obviously many faith-friendly exceptions exist in each of these professional fields. And other culprits, not listed above, may also be responsible for our predicament. The late Christopher Lasch argued that modern consumer capitalism breeds and needs a “culture of narcissism”—i.e., a citizenry of weak, self-absorbed, needy personalities—in order to sustain itself. Christian Smith put it somewhat differently when he wrote that, in modern capitalism, labor “is mobile as needed, consumers purchase what is promoted, workers perform as demanded, managers execute as expected—and profits flow. And what the Torah, or the Pope, or Jesus may say in opposition is not relevant, because those are private matters” [emphasis in original].

My point here is neither to defend nor criticize our economic system. Others are much better equipped to do that than I am. My point is that “I shop, therefore I am” is not a good premise for life in a democratic society like the United States. Our country depends for its survival on an engaged, literate electorate gathered around commonly held ideals. But the practical, pastoral reality facing the Gospel in America today is a human landscape shaped by advertising, an industry Pascal Bruckner described so well as a “smiling form of sorcery”:


The buyer’s fantastic freedom of choice supposedly encourages each of us to take ourselves in hand, to be responsible, to diversify our conduct and our tastes; and most important, supposedly protects us forever from fanaticism and from being taken in. In other words, four centuries of emancipation from dogmas, gods and tyrants has led to nothing more nor less than to the marvelous possibility of choosing between several brands of dish detergent, TV channels or styles of jeans. Pushing our cart down the aisle in a supermarket or frantically wielding our remote control, these are supposed to be ways of consciously working for harmony and democracy. One could hardly come up with a more masterful misinterpretation: for we consume in order to stop being individuals and citizens; rather, to escape for a moment from the heavy burden of having to make fundamental choices.

Now, where do Catholics fit into this story?

The same Puritan worldview that informed John Winthrop’s homily so movingly, also reviled “Popery,” Catholic ritual and lingering “Romish” influences in England’s established Anglican Church. The Catholic Church was widely seen as Revelation’s Whore of Babylon. Time passed, and the American religious landscape became more diverse. But the nation’s many different Protestant sects shared a common, foreign ogre in their perceptions of the Holy See—perceptions made worse by Rome’s distrust of democracy and religious liberty. As a result, Catholics in America faced harsh Protestant discrimination throughout the 18th and 19th centuries. This included occasional riots and even physical attacks on convents, churches and seminaries. Such is the history that made John F. Kennedy’s success seem so liberating.

The irony is that mainline American Protestantism had used up much of its moral and intellectual power by 1960. Secularizers had already crushed it in the war for the cultural high ground. In effect, after so many decades of struggle, Catholics arrived on America’s center stage just as management of the theater had changed hands -- with the new owners even less friendly, but far shrewder and much more ambitious in their social and political goals, than the old ones. Protestants, Catholics and Orthodox, despite their many differences, share far more than divides them, beginning with Jesus Christ himself. They also share with Jews a belief in the God of Israel and a reverence for God’s Word in the Old Testament. But the gulf between belief and unbelief, or belief and disinterest, is vastly wider.

In the years since Kennedy’s election, Vatican II and the cultural upheavals of the 1960s, two generations of citizens have grown to maturity. The world is a different place. America is a different place—and in some ways, a far more troubling one. We can’t change history, though we need to remember and understand it. But we can only blame outside factors for our present realities up to a point. As Catholics, like so many other American Christians, we have too often made our country what it is through our appetite for success, our self-delusion, our eagerness to fit in, our vanity, our compromises, our self-absorption and our tepid faith.

If government now pressures religious entities out of the public square, or promotes same-sex “marriage,” or acts in ways that undermine the integrity of the family, or compromises the sanctity of human life, or overrides the will of voters, or discourages certain forms of religious teaching as “hate speech,” or interferes with individual and communal rights of conscience—well, why not? In the name of tolerance and pluralism, we have forgotten why and how we began as nation; and we have undermined our ability to ground our arguments in anything higher than our own sectarian opinions.

The “next America” has been in its chrysalis a long time. Whether people will be happy when it fully emerges remains to be seen. But the future is not predestined. We create it with our choices. And the most important choice we can make is both terribly simple and terribly hard: to actually live what the Church teaches, to win the hearts of others by our witness, and to renew the soul of our country with the courage of our own Christian faith and integrity. There is no more revolutionary act.

Charles J. Chaput is the archbishop of Denver.

Comments:

9.17.2010 | 12:19pm
Richard says:
In other words, do and think and believe what the bishops tell you no matter what you think and believe. And.....us bishops will regain the power we once had that has seriously eroded. That's part of the "Next America" Archbishop Chaput wants to see if you tow the line as he tells you.
9.17.2010 | 12:27pm
DMP says:
Richard,
Ridiculous comment. Reductive to the point of disrespect. For shame. Engage the content, or don't engage.
9.17.2010 | 12:35pm
Paul Shonk says:
Actually, Richard, there is nothing in this article that remotely sounds like "do and think and believe what the bishops tell you no matter what you think and believe."
9.17.2010 | 12:48pm
Greg says:
Wonderful "state of the union" address.

Unlike Richard, I do not see the call as "do what the bishops tell you no matter what" but rather as a prophetic statement that we need to find stabilizing values that allow us to work together as a community as we seek better conditions for all men.

It is a suggestion that, once we emerge from the supermarket aisle and our exercise of choice regarding our detergent has proven to be less than what we want from life, we are invited to return to the Christian covenant to seek a better life that offers a greater level of fulfillment.

That which is enduring and timeless awaits us, even as that which is built on a foundation of sand crumbles.

Thank you Bishop Chaput for continuing to be a guiding voice of wisdom in these volatile and challenging times.
9.17.2010 | 1:06pm
Don Roberto says:
Most Americans live lives of complacent profanity, rotating between idolatries. Most of our mental efforts go to gathering earthly treasure, like the untrustworthy servant who was praised for pulling one last scam when his master discovered his embezzlement. If we were to reguarly take the time to think about the things that really matter, our land would be transformed.
9.17.2010 | 1:19pm
Publius says:
Archbishop Chaput is one of America's foremost Catholic thinkers, and we should be thankful for his robust participation in the public square.... Regarding John F. Kennedy and the 1960 election - - JFK would have renounced his grandmother if it would have helped him get elected. Nothing in Kennedy's conduct indicates the slightest influence of Catholicism -- the endless philandeering and his fascination with the "rat pack' and the underside of Hollywood. It should come as no surprise that Kennedy advocated a high wall of separation between Catholic public servants and their religious beliefs. It certainly made life easier for him, and it opened the door to the kind of cultural decline we have experienced
9.17.2010 | 1:32pm
M says:
Richard,
I am sure Archbishop Chaput would be the first to agree that you and every other human is free to "do and think and believe" as you please. Why, because unlike the dogs, cats and other animals of the world who operate on instict, we humans were given free will and the intelligence to use it by God. However, with free will comes much responsibility. I suggest you use yours to search the truth, the whole truth and nothing but the truth. Study and listen to the messages given to us by Jesus and to the early church fathers who were given the responsibility to continue that message. Archbishop Chaput is not asking you to tow the line and do as he says, he simply wants you and all Catholics to learn, live and speak the truth.
9.17.2010 | 2:03pm
Richard says:
If the second to last sentence is not telling us to adhere totally to the teachings of the Church as announced to us by bishops like Chaput, I am not reading the erudite article correctly. Chaput is one of America's foremost "conservative" Catholic thinkers. I have engaged him on a number of issues directly over the years and he is consistent and demanding that all Catholics must accept the letter of the doctrine or they are not welcome in the Church.

You know, when Humanae Vitae came out in the late 60's there was a real stir about the condemnation of birth control. I believe something like 80 % of the Catholics in the country ignored that doctrine. And what did the bishops do? Nothing. They retreated into a sort of uneasy compromise between their hard core doctrine and the overwhelming implicit rejection by the faithful.

It is clear that in recent years many bishops like Chaput have decided to take a new and arrogant approach and literally sweep out of the Catholic Church any member that didn't adhere to the strict line. I have personal examples from my own former Catholic parish.

I have searched for the truth all my life as I assume most visitors here have. I agree with many commentaries and disagree with many. And I am concerned with the current direction of the Church in addition to the direction of my own spiritual life.
9.17.2010 | 2:47pm
Sean says:
Forget Glenn Beck, we need Archbishop Chaput firing up the troops at million man marches in DC.
9.17.2010 | 3:05pm
Matt Yonke says:
Richard -- While I would never advocate you leaving the Catholic Church, I wonder what keeps you in if you don't believe the Church is what she claims to be. If it isn't the church that Jesus founded and imbued with the charism to teach truth binding on all people through her bishops, why would you want to remain in it?

It sounds like you think the bishops are just making it up as they go along, so why not join one of the thousands of Protestant groups that change their teaching to suit the disposition of their members?

Again, I'm not saying you should and I hope you don't, but I just can't see what keeps you on board given your opinions on the ontological nature of the Church.
9.17.2010 | 3:17pm
Blissmeister says:
Archbishop Chaput is not conservative, he's orthodox, because he adheres and defends all that the Catholic Church teaches, and the teachings of the Catholic Church are neither liberal nor conservative, but Catholic. There are some Catholic teachings, such as the right to life from conception until natural death, that conservatives would agree with, and there are some, such as the preferential option for the poor, that liberals would agree with, but Catholic teaching as a whole challenges both liberals and conservatives and is not hospitable to either of these ideologies.
As Cardinal Francis George makes clear in his book "The Difference God Makes", we as Catholics are not to seek to be liberal nor conservative, but Catholic.
Archbishop Chaput might be outspoken on right-to-life issues and against secular humanism, but he also has made clear that illegal immigrants are people too, and we must treat them humanely.
http://www.4marks.com/articles/details.html?article_id=5111
9.17.2010 | 3:25pm
"I have engaged him on a number of issues directly over the years and he is consistent and demanding that all Catholics must accept the letter of the doctrine or they are not welcome in the Church."

Wow, you mean a Catholic bishop offended you by saying that being a Catholic involves adhering to Catholic doctrine!? Well, that's gotta be difficult to hear. It's like a football coach telling a kid that he has to obey the rules of football in order to make the team or play in the game. How insensitive!
9.17.2010 | 3:26pm
Blissmeister says:
"In other words, do and think and believe what the bishops tell you no matter what you think and believe."

No, Archbishop Chaput is saying that as Catholics we must give religious assent to the teachings of the Catholic Church, and this was reiterated by Vatican II just as it has been taught by the Church for over 2,000 years. Obedience is a virtue.
9.17.2010 | 3:29pm
Richard says:
I suppose I expect to get the straight doctrinal line challenging my thoughts. Here is my basic point: today's Church in the person of such as Chaput simply don't care about people!! They care about doctrine......and power; theirs. The examples are legion. Why is this hard to understand? I think to an extent JP II cared about people. Clearly Bernadin did and it is bishops like him that make me continue in my own fashion with my Catholic faith. That and a lifetime of Catholic ritual and life, most of it comforting and rewarding.

Those here that don't think the current approach of the Church is different, dramatically different, than just a few decades ago are deluding themselves.
9.17.2010 | 3:29pm
andrew says:
the number of assumptions with which richard has read this essay amazes me. it seems public discourse has no chance of finding wisdom if we come to the table with such prejudices.

i worry, in turn, about my own ability to read essays fairly.
9.17.2010 | 3:47pm
Blissmeister says:
Richard,
I'm in my early twenties, so you're right, I wasn't around when Vatican II was being implemented. However, I studied abroad in Rome for a semester and when I was there I was fortunate to hear him speak on several occasions. It was clear from not what the Holy Father said but how he said it that clearly showed that the Holy Father cares deeply about the flock entrusted to him by Christ. He speaks with a deep love and compassion in his voice far deeper than anything I've ever head before. He is very wise, compassionate, and grandfatherly. If Pope Benedict XVI was a cruel dictator, then why would he write his first encyclical on love, or why would he write his second and third encyclicals on hope and how human dignity must be the foundation of every economic system? Why would he write a series of books on the person of Jesus Christ?
Have you read anything Pope Benedict has written? If not, I would start by reading Deus Caritas Est (God Is Love) which can be found on the Vatican website here:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html
Deus Caritas Est is the best writing on the nature of love I've ever read in my life, and I hope you enjoy reading it.
9.17.2010 | 3:52pm
Blissmeister says:
I made a mistake in one sentence of my post. The sentence in question should have read as follows:
"It was clear from not just what the Holy Father said but how he said it that clearly showed that the Holy Father cares deeply about the flock entrusted to him by Christ."
9.17.2010 | 3:57pm
Blissmeister says:
I caught another error in my post, so here's the corrected version of the original one. I apologize for the confusion.

"Richard,
I'm in my early twenties, so you're right, I wasn't around when Vatican II was being implemented. However, I studied abroad in Rome for a semester and when I was there I was fortunate to hear Pope Benedict XVI speak on several occasions. It was clear from not just what the Holy Father said but how he said it that clearly showed that the Holy Father cares deeply about the flock entrusted to him by Christ. He speaks with a deep love and compassion in his voice far deeper than anything I've ever head before. He is very wise, compassionate, and grandfatherly. If Pope Benedict XVI was a cruel dictator, then why would he write his first encyclical on love, or why would he write his second and third encyclicals on hope and how human dignity must be the foundation of every economic system? Why would he write a series of books on the person of Jesus Christ?
Have you read anything Pope Benedict has written? If not, I would start by reading Deus Caritas Est (God Is Love) which can be found on the Vatican website here:
http://www.vatican.va/holy_father/benedict_xvi/encyclicals/documents/hf_ben-xvi_enc_20051225_deus-caritas-est_en.html
Deus Caritas Est is the best writing on the nature of love I've ever read in my life, and I hope you enjoy reading it."
9.17.2010 | 4:13pm
PeteG says:
Oh thank goodness that we have fearless commentators like Richard to alert us to the nefarious stratagems of Archbishop Chaput! Here I thought that the Archbishop was fearlessly calling for a renewed zeal in following Jesus and not mammon; whereas gimlet-eyed Richard was able to see that Archbishop Chaput only wants more power for himself! He isn’t concerned about the dangerous direction we are heading in our country. He isn’t concerned about seeking first the Kingdom of God. No, Archbishop Chapit just wants us all to toe the line at the parish level (Richard knows of examples from his own former parish). Wow was I wrong! Thanks for clearing it up. These lines sealed it for me though, “I have searched for the truth all my life as I assume most visitors here have. I agree with many commentaries and disagree with many. And I am concerned with the current direction of the Church in addition to the direction of my own spiritual life.” Need I say more? I mean, who can disagree with that?
Please Richard, out of Christian charity, read and comment about what is written by Archbishop Chaput in this article, rather then type a tanrum over some past injury.

Thank you Archbishop Chaput for your words... Be urgent in season and out of season right? Well done.
9.17.2010 | 4:30pm
Blissmeister says:
I encourage all people taking part in this conversation to be civil and respectful, and to exercise great charity when commenting. Sarcastic comments like PeteG's, though well intentioned, will only alienate people like Richard farther from the Church.
People like Richard need our love and prayers, and instead of attacking him with sarcastic and snide remarks, we should pray for him.
Richard, although I don't agree with your remarks, I respect you as a human being and I am sorry that you've had to put up with a lot of snide and sarcastic remarks in this discussion.
9.17.2010 | 7:16pm
Ars Artium says:
John Paul II taught (as does Pope Benedict and Archbishop Chaput) the doctrines of the church precisely because he did care about people and understood the mortal harms that come about when those doctrines are ignored. It is understandable that wrong paths appear to be right paths to persons who are suffering painful temptations. Surely it is better and more respectful to offer the truth about things rather than temporary solace that can only lead to more and greater suffering in the end.
9.17.2010 | 8:37pm
PeteG says:
Blissmeister,
You don’t find my use of sarcasm prudent. I do. I have read First Things for over a decade now, and have kept my eye on the website when I can. I mention this to you as I think that a bit of bite in ones response is well within the “style” of the magazine. I am not as worried about Richard’s proximity to the Church as you are, but am more interested in engaging his ideas. These ideas better hold up to scrutiny in the public square (no kid glove treatment)-in other words: they better be true. Richard posts often enough, and I think that Richard’s message is getting awfully shopworn. (Come on, it was such a stretch to read Archbishop Chaput’s concluding sentence the way that Richard did; I thought he needed to see a chiropractor.) I agree that Richard needs our love and prayer, (and I will heed your advice to pray for him and hope he would do the same for me), but I don’t think it unloving to call someone out strongly when they are mistaken. The real problem as I see it, is Richard’s attempt to highjack an important message to all Christians in America today, and turn it into a squabble about the mean old authoritarian Catholic hierarchy who are not letting us have our spirit of Vatican II. Respectfully,
PeteG

P.S. Thanks Ars - You put it a lot better than I, and are more gifted in being able to get to the higher things.
9.17.2010 | 9:04pm
Ben Anderson says:
Most excellent article, your Excellency.

"And the most important choice we can make is both terribly simple and terribly hard: to actually live what the Church teaches, to win the hearts of others by our witness, and to renew the soul of our country with the courage of our own Christian faith and integrity. There is no more revolutionary act."

very chestertonian:
"readers will expect me, when I propound an ideal, to propound a new ideal. Now I have no notion at all of propounding a new ideal. There is no new ideal imaginable by the madness of modern sophists, which will be anything like so startling as fulfilling any one of the old ones. On the day that any copybook maxim is carried out there will be something like an earthquake on the earth. There is only one thing new that can be done under the sun; and that is to look at the sun. If you attempt it on a blue day in June, you will know why men do not look straight at their ideals. There is only one really startling thing to be done with the ideal, and that is to do it. It is to face the flaming logical fact, and its frightful consequences."
9.17.2010 | 10:32pm
Richard says:
The comments about just responding to Archbishop Chaput's commentary are appropriate. I have a history with this bishop that goes back at least ten years and my comments are NOT responding to his words, which, typically, are informed and erudite. In the end I am not so much concerned with him as what he represents. Of course, having my own individual debate with this prelate is important to what I say. But, in the end, I speak as one who was an altar boy in the early 50's, studied to be a priest in a seminary for three years of high school, and attended Catholic schools to graduate school.

Most of you I suspect are honed into the words of the Archbishop which are magnificent, on their face. History is filled with authors, religious writers as well, who commit words to paper which we all admire. What does this mean? Every day people in all walks of life, at births, deaths, conferences, family reunions, memorials, etc. say words that are significant and eloquent. They are words. By their acts you shall know them or something to that effect. There are the abuse scandals, which are not so much about the abuse as about the bishops that knew, did nothing or worse.

To me, what this is about is Archbishop Chaput who is capable of this incredibly compelling commentary and at the same time setting up his legislative council for legal issues in his office and literally browbeating his flock into submitting to his political views and legislative agenda. You don't see that in this commentary, of course. But I urge you to just keep watching this Archbishop, carefully, and watch the emergence of his real agenda. You are believers, informed but able to separate the "wheat from the chaff."
9.17.2010 | 11:53pm
nasicacato says:
Alright Richard, I'll bite. What's his real agenda?
9.18.2010 | 12:42am
Claire says:
Richard,
I am terribly sorry that you have had bad experiences with Archbishop Chaput. If what you are implying is true then he will be judged accordingly by God, if not sooner.
Please do not extend your animosity of 1 bishop to Church doctrine, encyclicals, beliefs,... Many good and holy people, clergy and laity, have had a lasting input in further understanding and explaining God's revelation to us within His Church.
9.18.2010 | 12:46am
stmm says:
I live in Chaput's diocese, raised children here, and have taught in Catholic schools all over the country, including more than 12 years in Denver. The environment Richard describes may be real in his head, but it bears no resemblance to the facts of Church life in northern Colorado. Any leader who speaks up, stays consistent and makes no excuses about defending the Church, her teachings and her people will have critics and admirers. There's plenty of spine, but no uncharity, inflexibility or smallness in this bishop, and the vitality of his diocese proves it.
9.18.2010 | 12:47am
"To me, what this is about is Archbishop Chaput who is...setting up his legislative council for legal issues in his office and literally browbeating his flock into submitting to his political views and legislative agenda".

I suspect that Archbishop Chaput is representative of those Church leaders who are publicly and legislatively attempting to defeat the culture of death, preeminently and fundamentally manifested in the direct, intentional destruction of unborn human life. This presents a quandary for Democrats who have an attachment to their Catholic heritage.

I don't need to know Archbishop Chaput personally to know that he would support a candidate from any party who embraced Catholic social justice principals personally and pursued them legislatively, beginning with the very right to life itself.
9.18.2010 | 2:23am
Gordon says:
Archbishop Chaput is telling it like it is. I do not see him as a cleric who desires control of the people for the sake of control. I see him as a man of integrity, a man of Christ, and he is not going to lay down for anyone, except maybe to save another persons life. Those who see him as a power hungry religious despot are missing the most important part of what he sees as his calling. I would encourage you to read what he has previously written.

Peace and God Bless, and may Christ be the center of your life.
9.18.2010 | 9:58am
Suzie says:
Archbishop Chaput ROCKS! I love that he is my shepard! Cafeteria Catholics usually have a problem with him. Stay in the store but get out of the Catholic aisle until you are ready to check-out. That is when it is really going to count and you will know how much it is going to cost you when you are at check out. I need him to guide me on what is good and bad for my health in the store. It is up to me if I wonder around the rest of the store and pick up whatever I want that might not be good for me. We are free to do that.
9.18.2010 | 10:07am
Actually, Richard's comments are indicative of the mindset of Americans in general. The American mindset is simply this: "NO ONE tells me what to do!!" Take Richard's comments and replace the word "bishops" with the word "Jesus" and see how this plays out in your mind.

Jesus gave the world the Church to lead us into brotherly harmony, peace, and moral propriety. The Protestant Rebellion has led us into a world of selfishness, me centeredness, and individualism in which men like Richard think that their thoughts are the apex of all truth and relevancy. Nothing could be farther from the Truth.

Those who will not listen to the Church will not listen to Jesus when He returns. There is a place in the universe for such people. It is called Hell.
9.18.2010 | 11:00am
KM says:
Sounds to me like Richard is saying that what the Archbishop wrote is right, but that he has questionable ulterior motives. I do not know the Archbishop, but take what he says as a pastor leading his flock. As St. Ignatius said in 110 AD, "Let us be careful, then, if we would be submissive to God, not to oppose the Bishop."

Maybe Richard should read CCC paragraph 2477.
9.18.2010 | 11:21am
John says:
There is quote I ran across the other day from Reginald Marie Garrigou-LaGrange, O.P., the early 20thcentury Scholastic and Dominican.
"The Church is intolerant in principle because she believes; she is tolerant in practice because she loves. The enemies of the Church are tolerant in principle because they do not believe; they are intolerant in practice because they do not love."
It strikes me that one's position in these sorts of debates are an expression of whether one is oriented more towards principle or practice. We must of course integrate both, but that is precisely the difficulty.
Richard, what those of us who consider ourselves orthodox are saying is that we cannot ignore principle just because it may seem unloving or harsh or difficult. It is part of the depositum fidei. We believe that the church is guided by the Holy Spirit. We believe it is the one true holy catholic and apostolic church. If we cause scandal by not loving in practice, that is our own sinfulness and not faulty principle. The solution is not to change principles, it is to change our hearts.
9.18.2010 | 11:40am
Father John says:
Richard, you wrote:

"If the second to last sentence is not telling us to adhere totally to the teachings of the Church as announced to us by bishops like Chaput, I am not reading the erudite article correctly. Chaput is one of America's foremost "conservative" Catholic thinkers."

A bishop's job is, indeed, to announce the full teachings of the Catholic Church, and thanks be to God we have shepherds like Archbishop Chaput to do it clearly. You use the word conservative as a pejorative, when guarding the deposit of faith (the essence of conservatism) is precisely what a bishop is called to do. What troubles me is that what you said (quoted above) contradicts what you say here:

"You know, when Humanae Vitae came out in the late 60's there was a real stir about the condemnation of birth control. I believe something like 80 % of the Catholics in the country ignored that doctrine. And what did the bishops do? Nothing. They retreated into a sort of uneasy compromise between their hard core doctrine and the overwhelming implicit rejection by the faithful."

On the one hand, you paint a bishop who speaks clearly and incisively as an out-of-touch advocate for blind adherence to Church teaching (which, if you read the archbishop carefully, you would know that such a characterization is grossly inaccurate), then condemn bishops who don't speak out when there are clear violations of Catholic belief, on the other. It seems that he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't. Which is it?
9.18.2010 | 1:53pm
Thank you Arch Bishop for another informative article,so needed.I only wish the Clergy was more open to the teaching of the Church and let us hear it from the pulpit,you never hear them speak on the social issues.I have 14 grand children and only one practices the Faith,the others [some with 12 and 16 years of Catholic Education] could care less about the Faith.I agree with you it is going to take great courage to be a strong Catholic in the future,and we are not going to be strong in number
9.18.2010 | 2:01pm
Richard says:
From the beginning I must disambiguatge myself from the Richard who has been posting in criticism of Archbishop Chaput. I write not to criticize my homonymous poster but to offer a very different appraisal of his head pastor. I am a grateful admirer of the Archbishop, who in the eyes of this outsider combines brilliance, eloquence, strength, holiness, orthodoxy, pastoral love, and unswerving obedience to the Pope and the magisterium.

Frankly, I am thrilled that Archbishop Chaput is a strong pastor who will brook no compromise of his duty. I am sick to death of prelates who have the consistency and firmness of fungus. Archbishop Chaput is responsible in the eyes of God for every soul in his archdiocese and beyond. That's a heavy burden. It would not go well for him in the great reckoning if he were to hide betrayal of the triune God behind the mask of compassion which leads so many self-indulgent souls to their own ruin. To speak the saving truth to all, whether it is easy or hard, is the duty of every Roman Catholic Cleric and to do so is the last full measure of Christian love. Archbishop Chaput in my eyes is one of the glories of the Roman Catholic episcopate.

Best,

Another Richard
9.18.2010 | 2:16pm
stmm says:
John, thanks for that fantastic quotation from Garrigou-LaGrange. I'll use it in my 8th grade Catholic morality class.
9.18.2010 | 2:33pm
C'mon, folks, what Richard has written is so obviously true. Chaput believes that the Church teaches the truth, and encourages all to form our lives accordingly, but he has a political agenda, and is only interested in increasing his own power. Richard, on the other hand, is an open-minded seeker of truth, and has the benefits of personal experience that we don't.

How can we be sure of this? Because Richards says so.

I know I'm convinced.

GR
9.18.2010 | 3:22pm
Gina Marie says:
This dialogue is not so much about the Church or archbishop as much as it is about the state of so many Catholic souls, so many just like Richard, crying out for a huge hug. The intellect is engaged here and ideas rationalized but the soul is wounded and unable to read and perceive correctly, our shepherd Charles, or receive Church teaching, as Christ in persona. Richard, and many others will go to the grave whining unless they have an authentic encounter with Christ. When that happens Mother Church, our devoted, loving and challenging archbishop, our parish priests and all the loyal religious who have espoused themselves to Christ and his Church will be seen as the beacons that they are. Submitting only to intellectual discourse, can't open eyes to truth. Try reading archbishop Chaput with an open mind, heart and soul while asking the Holy Spirit to allow you an experience of Christ. This is a spiritual request that He will never deny. Then you will be able to take your place as an apostle and make a difference in this world, as archbishop is challenging us to do.
9.18.2010 | 8:20pm
Alan says:
The accusation that the bishop has a political agenda comes in part, I think, from the disjunction between his diagnosis and his second-to-last paragraph. Quoting Lasch and others, he notes the secularization of American society, which he implies is tied to the creation of a consumer-society. But when he gets to examples, it is same-sex marriage and abortion that he highlights. It is in my view, which I think I learned from Tocqueveille, a materialism that focuses on the immediate rather than a commitment to the eternal that is the real challenge for American society. I think that Catholics, of which I am proud to be one, need to focus on the sins of which we are guilty rather than the sins of others (abortion and same-sex relations) to which we are not tempted.
9.18.2010 | 11:08pm
Red Velvet says:
Dear Patricia Flynn,

Your family is proof of the abyssmal state of Catholic higher education. Why did your own children persist in forking out exhorbitant tuitions to have their kids taught basic dreck. Any serious Catholic has long known what is going on at Georgetown, Santa Clara, Boston College, the University of San Diego, Gonzaga (until lately?), etc.

However, I think things start to deteriorate at the Catholic High School level, or even earlier. Here in my town the local Catholic school promotes "tolerance" by celebrating the homosexual lifestyle via productions like "Rent". There was no crucifix on the wall of the Catholic elementary classroom my daughter briefly attended, but she was sure to start her day with a half hour of yoga taught by a Protestant teacher. Those are just two example. BTW, I yanked my daughter out of that farce of a Catholic school.

I know a good, faithful Orthodox deacon who wouldn't dream of allowing his son attend the local Catholic High School, and opts for a public education.

We have a very weak, low-profile bishop in these Catholic backwaters, however.
9.18.2010 | 11:10pm
Red Velvet says:
Alan,

Catholic women abort at the same rate as Protestant women.
9.19.2010 | 12:50pm
Mark says:
You know, I really feel sorry for someone like Richard who is so unfortunately paranoid about clericalism. Much better, and more liberating, is it to live in happy and obedient union with the Church. Those on the outside will never understand this. It's much like trying to explain the joy of following Jesus to an unbeliever. It's a foreign concept to those who do not live it.

As far as Archbishop Chaput's article, I think we've known for some time that a new America is coming. In fact, it's been here for a while, if you ask me. Christians will continue to be marginalized and our beliefs will be criminalized with time. I really do hope this is not true, and that now I'm the one that is being paranoid! However, it seems to be the logical conclusion given the current of popular thought and law in the western world.
9.19.2010 | 1:56pm
Aimee says:
Those who are snarky and reductive ought to get their idioms straight:

It's TOE the line, not TOW the line.

New America, indeed.
9.19.2010 | 5:13pm
MAT says:
It is Catholic belief that Christ gave us the Church as our mother and to follow her teachings is the way to happiness and salvation. The rub comes in accepting and embracing this unconditionally. Everyone seems to know better. But this is what faith is all about, and this is the secret to happiness. God bless Bishop Chaput.
9.19.2010 | 8:57pm
Kathy says:
I am thankful for Archbishop Chaput. God bless this good and courageous man.
9.20.2010 | 9:03am
Diane says:
Very simply?
We live in a Democracy and our religious freedoms depend on this.
The Catholic church is not a democracy and never will be.
The people of the church struggle with this and I know, question the need to obey those that tell us what to do and how to do it.
We don't get a vote or a voice in how our religious life is being shaped. Many people, after seeing how the church has handled the child abuse scandal do not trust the church and see little reason for obeying a hierarchy that is corrupt and self absorbed.

I honestly don't see the Catholic church thriving unless there are changes and the Church has no reason to change and millions of reasons to stay the same.
Fortunately, the church will have to change.
It would be so much better if the church would lead the way.
I have no hope that it will. The change will come from the people the real church.
9.20.2010 | 10:26am
MadMonk48 says:
The "real church" is the people who remain faithful to the Gospel, their pastors and the witness of Catholic teaching. No one forces anyone to stay. Complaining only sucks the oxygen out of the air for everyone else. It's more honest, and also more charitable to others who want to remain, to migrate to some other church if the burden of being faithful to Catholic teaching is so onerous.
9.20.2010 | 12:42pm
Timon says:
Archbishop Chaput does not believe in the Triumph of the Immaculate Heart of Mary in 7 years as The Pope said in his sermon at Fatima May 13, 2010. This is revealed by the fact that Chaput thinks Chrisitanity will become harder in the next decades. But this is not true. There will be a complete victory of Our Lady of Fatima much sooner than that - after a limited nuclear war and then the shocked bishops will finally stop lying and consecrate Russia.
9.20.2010 | 2:07pm
Henry says:
Shouldn't somebody mention to his Eminent Obesity that "agenda" is plural and only a complete illiterate would write "agendas" in a Church publication?

Naw. Let's give him a chance to get over his objectively disordered relationship with cheeseburgers first.
9.20.2010 | 2:24pm
Ann says:
"atheism trickling down in a steady catechesis from our universities, social-science “helping professions,” and entertainment and news media"

What a waste of ink. If you want to say "the Jews," go ahead and say it. Coughlin, Feeny, Williamson or Ratzinger would.
9.20.2010 | 3:02pm
Richard says:
Henry,

Agenda is usually used as a singular in English. Acceptable plurals are agendas and agenda in that order. If you think that you are more learned than Archbishop Chaput, I do not envy you.

I am, by the way, a professional Classicist. My first degree was in English. Bishop Chaput's usage is standard English. Your response indicates that you have some work to do on your English, to say nothing of your civility or lack thereof.

Richard
9.20.2010 | 4:21pm
MadMonk48 says:
Henry: If you want to be abusive, at least try to learn English usage first. Check the dictionary, for heaven's sake. "Agendas" is perfectly acceptable -- in fact, standard -- English.

Ann: I'm still trying to figure out your point -- that Chaput is somehow an anti-Semite? Are you serious? Or is that the only crack you can think of.

One of the most interesting things about Chaput's writing is that it reduces so many of his critics to name-calling knuckleheads.
9.20.2010 | 9:42pm
Michael P says:
Henry, If "agenda" is plural, I guess "agendum" would be a common word. Actually the plurality of "agenda" is in the items on the list, not the list itself, also called an "agenda", which is a single thing. Thus there can be many "agendas", each listing many agenda, things to be done. Not too hard to understand.

Btw, wouldn't it be better to ignore Richard et al? Why should discussion be diverted from what Chaput said to what he said?
9.20.2010 | 11:47pm
Kingsman01 says:
Thank you Archbishop Chaput. Your insight and leadership provide clear direction for the serious disciple of our Lord Christ. Clearly we need to invest ourselves in following our Lord and emulating our Lord. This lies at the heart of what Chaput is encouraging us to strive for. This will be more than sufficient to transform our country's culture.

P.S. Richard apparently has sought to criticize Chaput's character without evidence. This is in very poor form.

Diane, we live in a constitutional republic. Not a democracy
9.21.2010 | 9:09am
Joe DeVet says:
We can say for certain that Abp Chaput does not "browbeat" the rank-and-file faithful in his see. He knows very well, as John Paul II said, that his role is to propose and not to impose.

It's a different matter with employees, clergy, and volunteers in ministry under his wing. If there's any "browbeating", it must be with these appointed, or self-styled, leaders of the Catholic community. It's the bishop's duty to ensure that those who lead the faithful are real shepherds and not hirelings. And so it is totally appropriate that he should align the legal structures and other instruments of authority at his disposal to see that this is accomplished. What would one call a leader who failed to attend to the integrity of his institutions? The words weak, ineffective, effete, misfeasant, or hypocritical come to mind. By contrast, praise God that Abp Chaput does his duty!

To those with a loose grasp of the faith, to dissenters, to one who absorbed what passed for Catholic education during the early adult years of one who was an altar boy in the 1950's (as I was too), such discipline can sting. It can seem as if the Church, under such a leader, is changing in an ominous way, when what is really happening is that it is being restored to itself. It can seem like a prelate is imposing his legislative, political preferences when he calls the faithful not to cooperate in evil by, for example, promoting pro-abortion politicians.

Eternity is closing in on us. Let us watch and pray, and appreciate the truth when one is confronted by it.
9.21.2010 | 3:04pm
TPI says:
From Richard above, "It is clear that in recent years many bishops like Chaput have decided to take a new and arrogant approach and literally sweep out of the Catholic Church any member that didn't adhere to the strict line. I have personal examples from my own former Catholic parish."

Bishop Chaput is not the one sweeping those out of the Church who will not adhere to the teachings of the Magisterium or the particular Bishops. We who sin and reject the word of God and divine revelation by our own actions cast ourselves out into the street. For we sinners cannot exist in the Church in our mortally sinful state. Whether the Bishops or the Magisterium tell us this or not does not change that fundamental truth that sin is a rejection of God and full communion with Him.

What Bishop Chaput is doing is preaching and holding true to the Deposit of Faith and calling those in sin to return to the Church and hold to her teachings because in the end salvation is through Christ and His word.
9.21.2010 | 3:39pm
Cody says:
Kingsman,

As far as I understand it, democracy and republic are not mutually exclusive. Democracy literally means "strength of the people" which seems to mean that a democratic government would be one in which all people are permitted to participate, regardless of status. Interestingly, that would seem to imply that this country was not founded as a democracy.

Cody
9.21.2010 | 4:08pm
Challico says:
I have a few questions. What has happened to erode a strong Christian's beliefs? What has happened in your lifetime to weaken your Catholic faith? What behaviors will strengthen it? If you care about Christianity, do more of whatever will strengthen it for you. Isn't that basically what Charles Chaput is saying?
9.21.2010 | 4:46pm
Fr Eric says:
Thank the Lord that Popes St Gregory the Great and St Leo the Great did not have to worry about blogs and email. Attilla the Hun would have been the victim of a religious despot. Yet, the enemies of the Church today, just like those in the 5th and 6th centuries, are just as illiterate.
9.21.2010 | 7:40pm
The fact that homosexual marriage bills will probably not go through in the end is a sign that Catholicism is blooming. But a majority of Catholic voters voted in Obama, which means that they must hold a view that abortion is right and good. That is a terrible statement about the average Catholic voter. I did not vote for Obama. I have made a conscious choice to follow the teachings of the Church for better or for worse, while many other Catholics, all one quarter of the population as they are, are probably having a large proportion of the abortions that go on. If only we had voted out Obama! But it is getting to be too late. Let us hope the future will not be like the movie, "Soylent Green" where people who don't want to live have their flesh fed to a starving world...
9.22.2010 | 1:56am
@ Diane:

The vast majority of Protestant churches have more open, democratic structures. As a result, they've fractured into so many competing "truths" that it makes no sense to count them anymore. Moreover, the laity have a great deal of influence over how religious life within the parish is shaped ... especially when the parish priest cedes his responsibility to guide and teach. In some parishes, that's been more of a detriment than a help.

Granting that, individually and corporately, the hierarchy has badly managed the "predator priest" problem, I still have to wonder what "change" you think is needed. Whenever someone makes reference to "the people [as] the real church", I immediately think of the "Good Church/Bad Church" meta-narrative dissidents try to impose on us, and I flinch. Sorry, the hierarchy is just as much part of the real Church as are the laity. Nor will the problem be solved by copying the Protestants ... "democratizing" the Church hasn't worked for them, so why should it work for us?

A change is needed: the Church needs to become more true to its traditions, its teachings and its beliefs, not "Catholicism and water". Part of the problem of the last forty years is that the bishops lost sight of their role as successors to the apostles, getting lost in administration and conciliation precisely when they needed to stand firm and speak loud. While there's no epirical numbers to point to, there's plenty of hearsay which suggests the parishes and sees that thrive are the ones that become more orthodox in their orientation, not less. In other words, mere "change" is not enough if it means just doing things differently. What's needed is authentic reform that remains true to the DNA of the faith.
9.22.2010 | 12:29pm
Tim H says:
>>>to actually live what the Church teaches, to
>>>win the hearts of others by our witness, and to
>>>renew the soul of our country with the courage
>>>of our own Christian faith and integrity.

Thank you Bishop Chaput.

I pray every day that God gives his Church and it's individual members - myself most of all - the strength to do so every day. It is so very, very difficult and yet how wonderful our Catholic faith is for all of it's gifts.

Once again, thank you.
9.24.2010 | 3:58pm
Mary says:
Thank You Archishop for at least trying to wake up Catholics.

Turn off your TV's. I turned off mine 2 years ago and only watch EWTN on my computer. Amazing how much time I found to pray. This year I joined 3 prayer groups and I am applying to be a Stephan Minister. I am 62-it has taking me a long time to shut up and to start to really learn my faith and put prayer into practice. We all need to pray pray pray. I do believe that Mary is our way and that these are her times. She said to us of her son " Do as he tells you" I heard many years ago that the Catholic Church is like a yard stick with the contempletives on one end and the charismatics on the other. I have been on both ends of that yard stick and practice both forms of prayer and encourage prayer in what ever form the Holy Spirit leads one to. Prayer is an action. To love one another requires action. I think the Archbishop wants us to put our Catholic faith into action and demonstrate it.

It is shameful that some of the Catholic politians in congress have brought on the disillusionment of young people ( and in old people) because they do not walk the walk. I know I am disillusioned by them and wish the Bishops would be more public in admonishing them to put their faith into action and to write laws and policies that reflect the faith that is taught in the CCC. Unfortunatly we have a media that will not support Catholic ideals and comments. I had to watch the Pope on you tube because I was out of town and did not have my computer so I did not have access to EWTN. That is shamful also that my grandchildren could not see the Pope on regular TV and what was on the news was not the Mass or any thing in his own words- It was a commentater telling us what he thought was important- so irritating. As Catholics we are forced to our own TV and Radio and it is not part of the public access- when you think about it the public gets very very little of anything Catholic and what they do get is not positive, but the ugly side- as if only Catholics are sinners. So it is up to us to go and find and get our own info. I am reading much much more than I ever did and listen to Catholic Answers and go to Catholic web sites to learn. As we are all one body, when one member causes hurt we are all hurt. Again we need to pray from our hearts for the whole body. This week we celebrated Padria Pio's feast day- he prayed 18 rosaries a day. All saints prayed a lot. We are all called to be saints. I totaly agree with those comments before mine to pray. Please Pray. I am praying for a Catholic radio station. Praying, at the very least that is one action we can all do and need to do a lot of before it does become illegal to pray. If you have money to through around that would be good too, but prayer is the foundation. We are born in these times because we are the ones to pray for these times and do something about it- all I am sure of doing is prayer and being an example of prayer. ( I wish I could see all the text that I am typing the right edge is cut off from my view and I sure could use spell check- I am sure there are mistakes in this paragraph - sorry. Also I did not mean to sermonize, but all these comments seems to have brought that on- my intention was to encourage prayer) Archishop I continue to pray to the Immaculate Heart of Mary for you. God Bless you.
9.24.2010 | 6:15pm
Jeannie says:
Gentlemen or Fathers,
Am I not correct in thinking that Paul had most likely offended a few people by killing thousands of Christians and yet his words and his teachings lacked nothing in divine inspiration.

Dear Richard, I have just discovered this column. I'm a revert who is experiencing that amazing passion to learn my faith for over a year now and I'm aware that while my zeal is essential, the delivery of my message is not yet a sure thing. I've always been able to write, but I am so very intense that speaking is not always effective. Calm, charm and humility.

Mostly I have always retained the directive to have the faith of a child. Since we know NOTHING that Jesus said was random or light I know that that was not capricious. A child has the heart to forgive, the desire to be given directions and the curiosity to pursue something with an open mind.

The messenger, like the American Catholic church, may have been riddled with fallibility, but the message is as divine as ever.

I have also been reading at thesestonewalls.com and to see serious, continually ATTEMPTED humility in this day and age is like water in the desert.

God bless you all and may God inform your hearts so that you lead as many souls to Christ as possible. Zeal!

My thanks for your love and sacrifice.
9.26.2010 | 9:09pm
thomas says:
Hospitality is the hallmark of evangelization! Christ is the King !
9.27.2010 | 3:53pm
Sheila C says:
I must go back to Suzie’s comment from early this morning, “Archbishop Chaput rocks!” Judging by the comments here, he most certainly does. Why? Because we have not heard the truth from the pulpit in a very, very, very long time! I would say for the span of my life, which is over forty years. Thankfully, I heard it from my parents, so I recognize it when I hear it spoken.
Archbishop Chaput is a shepherd in the best sense of the word, a priest cut from the same cloth as St. Francis de Sales, given to our time to wake us up and lead us out of the muck and the mire on to true heroic sacrifice as we witness to the truth of Christ. I have met the great Archbishop and he is very down to earth and very friendly. Most importantly, he is not afraid of anything. He strikes me as a man who daily considers the account he must give to his Savior one day when he answers for the welfare of His flock. I for one am glad this holy man has extended his reach beyond the boundaries of Denver! God bless you Archbishop Chaput! I bless your name and pray for you daily. Thank you for your courage. You give us hope and strength!
10.4.2010 | 11:08pm
Dennis says:
I think the the Kennedy thing is a generational GAP. I was 2 when he was killed and never really was proud as a Catholic that he represented that we arrived in this country. Certainly history has proved that his moral Catholic upbringing didn't have much of a bearing on his life.

Funny, how generations can view the man's Catholic background as a turning point from discrimination in this country. I have always been embarrassed by the liberation theology the Kennedy generation has promoted. We will be much better off in this country once they die off, and stop this never ending need to elevate ourselves by social works and freedoms that never existed like a women's right to choose.

We are reaping what we have sown with this sixties crowd...Sorry illegal immigration is dumping on America Archbishop. We have a moral obligation to the ones who are here legally. Mexico's corrupt government is not our emergency. Their people can rise up like we did at the founding of this great
country. I suggest we help them then when they get the courage to do it.
10.6.2010 | 6:04am
andrew gray says:
Archbishop Chaput puts the case for a well-formed catholic laity who will live the Faith in the quotidian with courage and integrity. As a catholic who lives in Brtiain the secularisation of life leads inevitably to a culture of death where taking the lives of un born children is seen as a freedom of choice and where marriage as an exclusice covenant between a man and woman is seen as bigotry. Homosexual 'civil partnerships' are promoted even inside the Church as a positive option. The failure to adequately catechise Catholics in over two generations leads to a mass lapsation of the young in their droves while their parents see no problem in similar apostasy from the Church.
Well done your grace, if only we had a prelate of similar quality in Scotland
11.19.2010 | 1:40pm
It is Catholic belief that Christ gave us the Church as our mother and to follow her teachings is the way to happiness and salvation. The rub comes in accepting and embracing this unconditionally. Everyone seems to know better. But this is what faith is all about, and this is the secret to happiness. God bless Bishop Chaput. Please Richard, out of Christian charity, read and comment about what is written by Archbishop Chaput in this article, rather then type a tanrum over some past injury.
6.30.2011 | 9:05pm
nes says:
A) The warning and prophecy of our Lord concerning those who will remain faithful to the Catholic Church:
"But yet the Son of man, when he comes, shall he find, think you, faith on earth?" [Luke 18:8, http://www.newadvent.org/bible/luk018.htm]

Personally, I'm convinced that it's no coincidence that few go to the Latin Mass and/or the Eastern Rite Mass and demonstrate their deep love for God, our Blessed Mother and the Holy Mother Church...holy affection that is hard to perceive from among many 'Catholics'.


B) The Pre-Figuration of the current scenario about the few who will remain faithful to the Catholic Magisterium and defend the Church's teachings:
[1Maccabees2:7-14, http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1ma002.htm]
7 And Mathathias said: Woe is me, wherefore was I born to see the ruin of my people, and the ruin of the holy city, and to dwell there, when it is given into the hands of the enemies? 8 The holy places have come into the hands of strangers: her temple has become as a man without honour. 9 The vessels of her glory are carried away captive; her old men are murdered in the streets, and her young men are fallen by the sword of the enemies. 10 What nation has not inherited her kingdom, and gotten of her spoils? 11 All her ornaments are taken away. She that was free is made a slave. 12 And behold our sanctuary, and our beauty, and our glory is laid waste, and the Gentiles have defiled them. 13 To what end then should we live any longer? 14 And Mathathias and his sons rent their garments, and they covered themselves with haircloth, and made great lamentation.

[1Maccabees2:49-68, http://www.newadvent.org/bible/1ma002.htm]
49 Now the days drew near that Mathathias should die, and he said to his sons: Now has pride and chastisement gotten strength, and the time of destruction, and the wrath of indignation: 50 Now, therefore, O my sons, be zealous for the law, and give your lives for the covenant of your fathers. 51 And call to remembrance the works of the fathers, which they have done in their generations: and you shall receive great glory, and an everlasting name. 52 Was not Abraham found faithful in temptation, and it was reputed to him unto justice? 53 Joseph, in the time of his distress, kept the commandment, and he was made lord of Egypt. 54 Phinees, our father, by being fervent in the zeal of God, received the covenant of an everlasting priesthood. 55 Jesus, whilst he fulfilled the word, was made ruler in Israel. 56 Caleb, for bearing witness before the congregation, received an inheritance. 57 David, by his mercy, obtained the throne of an everlasting kingdom. 58 Elias, while he was full of zeal for the law, was taken up into heaven. 59 Ananias and Azarias and Misael, by believing, were delivered out of the flame. 60 Daniel, in his innocency, was delivered out of the mouth of the lions. 61 And thus consider, through all generations: that none that trust in him, fail in strength. 62 And fear not the words of a sinful man, for his glory is dung and worms: 63 Today he is lifted up, and tomorrow he shall not be found, because he is returned into his earth and his thought has come to nothing. 64 You, therefore, my sons, take courage, and behave manfully in the law: for by it you shall be glorious. 65 And behold, I know that your brother Simon is a man of counsel: give ear to him always, and he shall be a father to you. 66 And Judas Machabeus, who is valiant and strong from his youth up, let him be the leader of your army, and he shall manage the war of the people. 67 And you shall take to you all that observe the law: and revenge the wrong of your people. 68 Render to the Gentiles their reward, and take heed to the precepts of the law.

C) It's impossible to remain faithful and 'have the testimony of Jesus Christ' and keeps the commandments of God if you are not with the WOMAN (Mary, the Mother of God), be consecrated to her Immaculate Heart and be among the 'rest of her seed' with whom the dragon will make the final war:

[Revelation 12:13-18, http://www.newadvent.org/bible/rev012.htm]
13 And when the dragon saw that he was cast unto the earth, he persecuted the woman who brought forth the man child. 14 And there were given to the woman two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the desert, unto her place, where she is nourished for a time and times, and half a time, from the face of the serpent. 15 And the serpent cast out of his mouth, after the woman, water, as it were a river: that he might cause her to be carried away by the river. 16 And the earth helped the woman: and the earth opened her mouth and swallowed up the river which the dragon cast out of his mouth. 17 And the dragon was angry against the woman: and went to make war with the rest of her seed, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ. 18 And he stood upon the sand of the sea.

Because I am an ordinary lay Catholic, and not a theologian, I interpret the 'two wings of a great eagle' as the Rosary prayer and the Adoration of the Blessed Sacrament while I am nourished with the Eucharist in the Extraordinary Rite [Latin Mass]
3.12.2012 | 1:40pm
Patricia says:
To Richard: the Catholic Church is not a democracy. Elemental to Catholicism is that the doctrines of the Church universally taught by all of the bishops in concert with the Bishop of Rome or formally taught ex-cathedra by the Holy Father are protected by the Holy Spirit and in this way infallible. If you are in communion with the Church, you accept this teaching. If you do not accept it, you are not in communion with the Church and should look elsewhere.

It is precisely because the Catholic Church is the Church founded by Jesus Christ, Who promised to be with us always and Who named Peter, the first Pope, the temporal Head of the Church, that the Church can claim these Truths.

At the same time, there exist many ideas proposed or promoted by various priests, bishops, or even the Pope that are personal opinions. One type of personal opinion might even be the way a society should implement the teachings of Christ. These various specific and concrete details are opinions and do not have to be believed or followed by Catholics and can be opposed without breaking communion with the Church.
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