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From Junior High Down to VH1

Curious to see what’s out there, since we don’t watch television at home, while visiting friends recently I flipped through the channels after the children were in bed, and came across some sort of roast, I think on VH1.A woman who turned out to be the host was insulting several people sitting nearby and a man sitting a little above them, who turned out to be the evening’s victim.

The only guests whose names I caught were George Hamilton and Hulk Hogan. “That guy was governor of Minnesota?” I thought, confusing my pop culture references. The victim was someone named David Hasselhoff.

I watched as long as I could stand it, which was about five minutes, maybe ten. As they were being insulted, the guests would toss their heads back as they laughed in an open-mouthed way that was supposed to look like a surprised belly laugh. It looked, and I am sure was, utterly fake.

In her monologue, the host simply insulted her targets, with a good bit of profanity thrown in. Not once did she show an ounce of wit or intelligence, not a feather’s weight. Not, let me emphasize this, any. She spoke of Hulk Hogan, for example, as something like (I quote from memory) “the most disgusting person on the planet.” At which Hulk Hogan threw back his head and let out an open-mouthed laugh, which looked utterly fake.

And the audience, to whom the show cut a few times, never once really laughed. They giggled rather than guffawed. This means something, because they had come to laugh, had presumably paid money to laugh, were probably loosened up by a few drinks at dinner, and are, like the rest of us, conditioned to laugh at the cues.

Yet they didn’t. Some of them, when the camera cut to them, were looking at their partners as if, judging by their faces, to say, “Am I supposed to laugh at this?”

At the end of her monologue, now addressing the night’s main victim, she said that he had tried to do three things in his life, and (speaking directly to him) that you hadn’t, you couldn’t, and you’re a [very rude and crass insult]. Here she had the structure of the joke—it was the only wit-like thing she said in the time I heard her—a list in which the hearer expects one thing at the end and gets another. But to be funny, the new last item has to make sense. It has to say something true, that will be emphasized and made amusing by the surprise. It has to be a twist.

This woman’s climactic joke didn’t offer a twist. It was just an insult that made no sense in context. She substituted obscenity and shock for wit and insight.

It is hard to exaggerate the crudity of the performance: not so much the crudity of the language and subjects, but its intellectual crudity. Every single remark was the foul-mouthed adult’s equivalent of the seven-year-old’s “You have a big butt.”

And as I watched, with lurid fascination, I realized that the monologue reminded me of junior high, with one difference: in junior high, people were expected to be funny when they were abusive. Kids valued real wit, even if it were only seventh and eighth grade wit. They understood the need to end with a twist that made sense the kind of joke the host ended with an insult that didn’t. They knew more about real comedy, and real abuse, than the host of this VH1 show.

In the Darwinian world of junior high, the merely insulting and abusive kid was ignored, and other kids shunned him if he persisted. He wasn’t funny enough to get a hearing and gain a place. The kid whose abuse was not just persistent but stupid became the target himself. The host would not have done well in junior high.

People my age tend to find in every change a decline, and in every decline evidence of a general decline and fall. But it’s hard not to see in this show real evidence of a fall, and a long one, when the abusive kid who when I was a child would not have pleased junior high kids now appears on a television show on a major cable network.

The great icons of “edgy” humor like Lenny Bruce, and a few years later comics like George Carlin and Richard Pryor, began something that eventually lost its point but kept its edge. They shocked for a purpose, to force people to see something they didn’t see, or didn’t want to see, like Flannery O’Connor at a rather higher level. Their point was not always a very good point and the shocks sometimes seemed indulged for their own sakes, and being “edgy” built their reputations and brought them fame and work, but still, they were rude and profane for a reason.

But some, probably many, of their heirs have, judging from this show, descended to pointless abuse and obscenity, and because pointless, boring and trivial, shocking not for its content but for its emptiness. What is the pleasure in that? What does it offer? What is there in it to make the normal man laugh?

We have lost something, when obscenity and rudeness are no longer useful. It is a gift to be able to shock, but one we seem to have thrown away.

David Mills is the deputy editor of First Things. His previous "On the Square" articles were Spirituality Without Spirits and Show Us the Money

Comments:

10.8.2010 | 12:35pm
pentamom says:
The seeds of this were sown in the late 70's, when sitcom humor changed from wit and actual jokes, to someone walking into a room and either insulting someone else or making a sexual double entendre as the primary medium of humor.

Thankfully once the junior high writers of that era got over themselves, that kind of thing did get better for a while. But it's been a long, slow decline to the point where merely being sufficiently obnoxious in a childish way is now not merely a component of humor, but apparently the epitome, at least in some quarters.
10.8.2010 | 1:32pm
Obscenity, profanity, and rudeness "work," if at all, only when socially-recognized norms are violated. But those norms are maintained only by a minority of us these days, and we have little cultural influence. Such violations substitute for wit only for so long, and that time is long past. It's evident that much of the media has nothing of real import to say any longer, so they say what little they can loudly, somehow imagining that volume makes up for lack of substance.
10.8.2010 | 1:37pm
I had a similar reaction the first evening I walked down Bourbon Street in New Orleans. This wasn't "adult entertainment", I realized -- it's an adolescent fantasy of what "adult entertainment" is like. On Bourbon Street it's not so much sex, drugs, and rock 'n' roll as it is sex, alcohol, and jazz, and I like that stuff as much as the next guy ... but I no longer need to get in touch with my inner 14-year old.
10.8.2010 | 2:08pm
The same thing is true of much of what passes for entertainment these days. Look at the old movies. When William Faulkner was the scriptwriter or John Ford the director, the movie didn't need any foul words nor any sex scenes nor, even, any sexually double entendre. When Rhett said, "Frankly my dear, I don't give a damn" it was shocking precisely because no one had ever used the word damn in a movie before and, yet, it fit and, by being the only use of the word or any other such word in the entire film, it stood out and drove home a point. As the quality of the writing descended, the use of foul words, sex scenes and sexual double entendre rose. Now, I can't even take my children to a G rated movie without hearing God's name used in vain and a cartoon character suggest some sexually perverse act to another cartoon character, meant, supposedly, to entertain the adults who brought the children, who, it is assumed, can't be entertained otherwise.

George Carlin was funny and his 7 Filthy Words monologue had a purpose, a political one and a legal one. It's purpose was a bad one, mind you, but it did have a purpose other than entertaining stunted adolescents occupying 30 year old bodies. No, as David observes, any such purpose is absent and all we are left with are empty filthy words, meaningless sex scenes and juvenile sexual double entendre.
10.8.2010 | 2:26pm
This is actually in line with something I'm thinking about re this week's Glee episode. Some Catholics swooned about the "Eucharistic" moment when the kid ate the burned grilled cheese sandwich that had an image of Christ on it. I did not. The audience, which just got preached to (full face to camera) about how Christians are "anti-gay, anti-women, anti-science" and "cruel" watched a kid sing that he was losing his religion and then eating the thing he'd previously thought was holy. They're not going to get "Eucharist" from that, they're going to get "faith means nothing." In the same way, the kids watching that VH-1 roast are not going to get that the event was crude, or that edgy language can be a means to an end, but not an end to itself. They're just going to think that nothing matters and anything goes; that immature, uncivil behavior is just the way the world rolls.
10.8.2010 | 3:29pm
Ethan C. says:
"Lost its point but kept its edge" is one of the best turns of phrase I've heard in years. Did you come up with that yourself, or steal it from some place?
10.8.2010 | 5:40pm
Martin Snigg says:
Thanks for the chance to concur David. Can't stomach TV either and haven't used it for many years. Mrs. Scalia reminds me how its too difficult now just to watch plain non-aggressively secularist programming; tried watching sport recently but then got hit by not just obnoxious but intolerable commercials - ones that would damage impressionable young ones - let alone what they do to me (can feel the spiritually oppression descend).

That we pipe this deadly preaching into our living rooms is a cause of great sadness to me - insofar as they capture the young ones these boomers in charge will make bastard children out of them. The decrepit and dying progenitors of an anti-culture that simply won't make it through the next 50 yrs, will leave no lasting legacy because of their worship of the life force but don't pass it on by embracing self sterilisation.

The harder they work to make converts from monogamy culture the faster their converts go to the grave, the futility of the thing is macabre. David Spengler Goldman convinces me there is nothing they can do but begin to worship the God of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob. Nothing else seems able to save them. For that reason TV is like a bone box to me.
10.8.2010 | 6:01pm
Maria V. says:
Hope many would note the really 'cool' part about t.v being avoided in a household with children ....

In a death culture , deep in unwashed guilt , attitudes such as above can be seen as a related sequelae ...

May His infinte mercy take in all - the hardened sinners too , to set them free , to see what goodness can be !
10.8.2010 | 6:23pm
David Mills says:
Ethan:: Did I steal it? Ahem. No. But thank you for the first three-quarters of the comment.
10.8.2010 | 6:25pm
I've rarely, if ever, suffered from much boredom in my life, but I find myself stifling yawns when "forced" to watch TV (i.e., my wife wants company in front of the tube) and most movies, or read the Los Angeles Times and modern novels. I've thought the common factor was modernism, but more specifically it's really modern secularism--a life in which faith is simply a fantasy lacking all the "real" benefits of modern fantasies, e.g., money, sex, and power (although admittedly the heretics succeed by adding one or more of these).

This hit me this week when trying to read Ken Follett's latest doorstop, "The Fall of Giants." I loved "Pillars of the Earth" some time back, his novel about the building of a fictional cathedral in 12th century Britain. But "Giants" bores me with its frequent sex scenes, a requirement of all modern literature since, oh you know--the 60s. The sex has no charm, no magic--it's all mechanical lust. It's not even funny, except in a way Follett doesn't intend. In some ways this may be the most significant "achievement" of the last half century--turning sex into an object of boredom.
10.8.2010 | 9:04pm
Sally Thomas says:
We're a no-tv household, too -- which means that when we go out to eat, which is seldom, and there's a television on in the restaurant, which seems more and more to be the case, we're the only ones rubbernecking to watching some 1987-vintage episode of America's Funniest Home Videos.

My mother, who's hardly consciously conservative, noted once that television shows used to be about relatively normal people to whom funny things happened. And now -- say I -- they're mostly about weird people doing their version of normal.
10.8.2010 | 10:17pm
Tony Esolen says:
We watch, just for lazy family fun, very old TV comedies on DVD. Mainly the goofball comedies from the 60's, like The Munsters, or the Dick Van Dyke show. My son loves those things. And my wife and I are fond of Gunsmoke, which was really well written and well acted. I also watch some baseball and football (the baseball on the computer, without commercials).

Probably even that is too much. We do notice sometimes the commercials for current shows, and it seems as if they are all snotty and obnoxious vehicles for snotty and obnoxious people.

I have a dream ... that Christians will get together to throw away the TV, and start doing things in their neighborhoods, like play ball, or play cards, or visit their neighbors, or read aloud to one another, or sing ... I need to be pushed to do those things as much as anyone.
10.9.2010 | 1:01am
Rob G says:
"The time will come when the devil will put himself inside a box and start shouting; and his horns will stick out from the rooftiles."

St. Cosmas of Aitolia, +1779
10.9.2010 | 2:50am
Bret Lythgoe says:
Thanks, to David, for an intelligent article. Humor is a real art, and requires intelligence, on the part or its producer. Sadly, the lack of intelligence, that's creating the lack of humor, seems to be on the rise. Perhaps this is further evidence, for the need of people, generally, to return to books. What worries me, is that too much television, and too little book reading, to lead to increases of dementia, down the road.
10.9.2010 | 5:17am
Even those of us who are cognizant of how TV and Hollywood propogate evil memes must be wary. God protect us!
10.9.2010 | 6:46am
Asa Kraut says:
I am actually appalled by the comments here. We are living in a golden age of television. Something wonderful is flowering. Drama has found novelistic space and heft. Developed, rounded, morally astute, well written, well acted, well made. Compelling for all the best reasons. Check out Breaking Bad, The Wire, Mad Men, Deadwood. Rent or buy a season’s worth and watch it in a sitting. Allow yourselves to be surprised.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=63CXrk_hon8
10.9.2010 | 8:20am
Matthew Berg says:
@Elizabeth -

Yes, some of the characters who reflected mainstream misunderstandings of religion, but that was counterpointed by the concern felt by the faithful members of the club for Kurt and his father. And Sue's cynicism and bitterness was nicely counterpointed by the quiet and enduring faith of her sister Jean.

Overall I was surprisingly pleased with the episode.
10.9.2010 | 1:18pm
David Mills says:
A friend sent an illuminating comment: This tv show, she wrote, "sounds like something from Dante's Inferno. Dante records mindless insults like these in Malebolgia, as in the bolgia of the grafters, thieves and impersonators. "
10.9.2010 | 7:14pm
Martin Snigg says:
It is appalling isn't it Asa - the divisiveness that secularism causes such that ordinary people are repelled by TV programing. It is a good thing we have people like you to tell us what is quality and what is not and that I need only a DVD player and patience to avoid the worst of TV.

I wonder though if I'm ever going to see a TV program that is self aware enough to examine something like secularism, the way Christianity is critiqued or more often parodied. I'd have to wait a long time no? Yet secularism is regnant in almost every niche of elite thinking. Not such an amazing co-incidence that they produce what they find comforting.

I'm with Hunter Baker. Have secularism taught at schools and universities the way Christianity is 'taught' or deconstructed in divinity schools and departments world wide.

Where did it come from?
What do its advocates and practitioners believe?
Why do they believe it?
Do their most cherished beliefs stand up to scrutiny?
How do they approach politics?
What are their prejudices?
What kind of people are secularists?
What professions do they dominate? (Media as it happens)
Is secularism just another way for the people of wealth and fashion to maintain their prerogatives against religious appeals for righteousness?

Are the guiding questions he'd use in his course. Teaching that is desperately needed you'd have to admit Asa.

Until they get their act together I can't give them my time and money. If secularism injures those who make quality dramas and destroys the industry well let us not submit to such stifling inhuman orthodoxies. Let the industry stand up for itself.
10.9.2010 | 9:03pm
Roger says:
I note the vanity displayed by the anti-tv crowd. There is rubbish on tv, but you can avoid it and see some excellent entertainment as Asa Kraut says.
Also you can watch some extraordinary productions such as "The American Experience", "The blue planet", "The Planets", any NOVA show plus many other excellent programs on the discovery, history, science, military and National Geographic channels. I just watched a very interesting program on the evolution of flighted animals, but perhaps a majority of the readers of this website don't believe in evolution and think the earth is 8000 years old.
I don't watch sitcoms, it is just one navel gazing show after another about jewish anxieties, as an anglo, jews bore me.
As for wit and humor, it died years ago, to be replaced by coarseness and vulgarity.
10.9.2010 | 9:26pm
Joe says:
"Check out ...The Wire... Mad Men... Deadwood."

I have. They are well-crafted, but acidic in their secularism, at least to me.
10.10.2010 | 12:05am
Rob G says:
"They are well-crafted, but acidic in their secularism"

Have only seen Breaking Bad, which I think is fantastic. It is somewhat violent and coarse, and I wouldn't recommend it to just anyone, but it does have a very strong moral sense, which is a prime reason I like it. Can't speak for the other shows Asa mentions, but I tend to turn aside from the "acidly secularistic" and the nihilistic no matter how well crafted they are.
10.10.2010 | 12:26am
Asa Kraut says:
**Martin Snigg**
I take it you have never watched Deadwood, Martin. Nor Breaking Bad, nor Mad Men nor The Wire. And when you ask if you are ever going to watch a TV programme that is self aware enough to examine what you are pleased to refer to as “secularism,” I can confidently answer that you are not. Why? Because you are too self-satisfied in your own prejudice to ever wish to be persuaded otherwise by truth, so why should you bother to seek truth in any place that might challenge your prejudice?

When I hear people use the word secular and its cognates in the way you do, I immediately conclude they mistake it for the word profane. The holy and the profane are incompatible, but the secular is designed to complement and preserve the holy with the intention of “letting it be.” The last point is difficult to communicate in bullet points, but it has been profoundly articulated in great drama, such as Deadwood.
But seeing that you are culturally illiterate with respect to modern television drama, let me try to address your bullet points.

Secularism:
Where did it come from?
- - It arose from the modernist recognition that politically organized societies may include people with different and sometimes contradictory beliefs which in turn may ground different and sometimes contradictory principles on how society should be ordered.
What do its advocates and practitioners believe?
- - That in so far as those principles which are commonly held amongst most people within a society allow, the operation of principles that characterize one group over another should not be imposed on all.
Why do they believe it?
- - Because they reason that this is the best way of maintaining order within a society that consists of people who hold different sets of ordering principles
Do their most cherished beliefs stand up to scrutiny?
- Secularists may also be Christians, Muslims, Atheists or anything along these lines and their most cherished beliefs may have nothing to do with their secularism.
How do they approach politics?
- - Secularists have been known to embrace most party positions across most political spectrums. For example: Labour, Conservative, Fine Gael, Christian Democrat, etc.
What are their prejudices?
- - In so far as they are secularist? You tell me.
What kind of people are secularists?
- - Well, among other kinds, they are the kind of people who wish to protect the freedom of all religious expression as far as it can be protected without violating the commonly held principles of order that operate within a political society.
What professions do they dominate? (Media as it happens)
- - Does American Founding Father count as a profession?
Is secularism just another way for the people of wealth and fashion to maintain their prerogatives against religious appeals for righteousness?
- - Lots of religious people are wealthy, fashionable, righteous and secularist. They are aware of when and what to render to Caesar and when and what to render to God. In fact it is the secularism of religious people that allows them to distinguish between Caesar and God. And one way they acquire a discerning secularism is through engagement with modern television drama. Deadwood, for example.
10.10.2010 | 1:04am
Margaret says:
We can rant and rave against this kind of dreck until we are blue in the face but what we really need to do is demand something different. We are not alone as Catholics or even as Christians or even as religious people. Surely there must even be decent agnostics and atheists wishing for entertainment that isn't utterly lewd and crass. I know we must be a sizable minority and perhaps we are even a majority. But somehow there is NO popular media working to meet our needs.

I am very frustrated by the lack of media that is just merely decent. I don't expect everything to be Catholic. I just want TV I can watch and magazines I can read that are not relentlessly offensive. I want something to enjoy with my kids. I want an environment free of same-sex "marriage" and co-habitation and pre-marital sex and political correctness and the bashing of Western culture. Is this so much to ask?

Why isn't there a Time magazine for decent people? Why isn't there a Slate.com for decent people? A Larry King Show or a Tonight Show or a morning news show for decent people?

I love to be informed and I cannot find what I want and I am so angry about this!
10.10.2010 | 2:01am
Martin Snigg says:
Asa I believe you've conflated the concept secular with secularism.

Apart from that I should make it clear I genuinely want to benefit from those who research what is good and bad on TV. I'm simply not prepared to do it myself.

In case you genuinely are confused about the two concepts I'll be explicit. Full fledged secularists would be very happy to overwhelm every inch of public space considering it freeing public life from divisive superstitious beliefs. They believe Christianity is nothing more than a private hobby and can have nothing valid to say about how we order our common life. Given these facts I don't think what I wrote is controversial in the least.

Christians simply want all speech judged by the same standard. Want the ability to persuade with reasoned argument to be the criterion by which public policy is accepted or rejected. Secularism however rules Christian speech invalid from the beginning as a violation of the neutrality of the public square. This is an arbitrary privileging of unbelief and so more correctly deserves your epithet of "self-satisfied [irrational] prejudice". I think Stanley Fish wrote an article recently on 'secular reason' from an unbeliever's perspective, it might help. I should get around to reading it myself.


I cherish a neutral secular space for the reasons you supply and so cherish the thing that created it and is capable of sustaining it - Christianity and its philosophical anthropology.
10.10.2010 | 2:02am
Patrick says:
Video games may be a colossal waste of time, but if nothing else they at least indicate the idea that one has to have his wits about him in order to survive. You don't passively absorb a video game, you either win or lose, based on the quickness of your reflexes, your situational awareness, your navigational and mathematical abilities, etc. I'd much rather have my child fighting his way to the top of the World of Starcraft hierarchy than having crude TV programming dulling his intellect.
10.10.2010 | 2:50am
Don Roberto says:
Asa, the shows you mention, however well crafted, depict graphic scenes of murder, suicide, torture, rape, buggery, fornication, and drug abuse: They revel in the base. Viewers bathe in mental manure. Soak in it too long, and you're going to come out smelling funny.

We have the power to change our brains--for better or worse. In the language of secularists, we are capable of self-programming. Lead yourself not into temptaion.
10.10.2010 | 11:26am
What interests me most in your narration, David, is why people who don't have to are willing to be abused in the manner you describe.

I first took note of the phenomenon when in my early twenties I was a sexton at a wealthy church, during a funeral for one of its members, also a member of a fraternal organization called the Knights Templar. His brother Templars were there in force and gorgeous uniform to march down the aisle to Onward Christian Soldiers. They were led by a red-faced, strutting little martinet (think Fr. Neuhaus, but without humility, humor, or charity) who strode up and down their line finding fault with their carriage, their uniforms, the angles of their swords, and everything else he could think of in this what appeared to be perfectly arrayed and faultlessly dressed group of distinguished older men (two were physicians called away at some point in the proceedings by calls from their offices). They humbly "Yes Sir'ed" and "No excuse, Sir'ed" as he called them names and flicked motes of dust from their coats. Clearly the Knights were men who in civilian life were used to giving orders instead of taking them, and derived what was (to me, at the time) a weird satisfaction at receiving frightful public abuse from a man whose accents and vocabulary identified a probable inferior.

I have seen enough of this since then--and your television episode is another instance--that it appears there is much to be learned about a human need to displace one's sins, at least symbolically, from the breast into pleine air, and receive priestly absolution for them, and that there are many permutations upon this desire in accordance with the belief system, social status, and personal characteristics. Among public people with high social standing this may take a different form than it does with you and me, a form that will appear strange or corrupt to us. A judge or a chief of staff may see permission to proceed down the aisle toward the casket of his friend suitable to his needs in that regard, the secular public personage may receive the same from the laughs of a television audience at the recitation of his faults--and the taken-aback audience, which is likely composed of common folk who don't really understand, should do them the exculpatory favor of laughing, even if it isn't funny.

It is interesting that these observations should come so close on the heels of your piece on confession. There is a close relation.
10.10.2010 | 12:56pm
David Mills says:
The better distinction, I think, is between secularism and secularity. Benedict has spoken many times about a "positive secularity" and his book *Without Roots*, written a secular Italian scholar (see http://www.zenit.org/article-14280?l=english) for an example.
10.10.2010 | 2:01pm
Asa Kraut says:
Martin,

I understand your point about my conflating the secular with secularism and if you wish to describe what I’ve done in that way then I feel I have no right to deny it. However, I believe that describing what I’ve done solely in those terms won’t take you any further as it mires you in a false position from the beginning.

A more accurate way of describing what I have done is to say that I have defined secularism in terms of the secular, and I have done this because the definition you offer of secularism is not only at variance with the notion of the secular, but is incoherent with respect to it and consequently meaningless. For, after all, what does it mean to say that secularism seeks to “overwhelm every inch of public space” by expunging all traces of Christianity, say, as having “nothing valid to say about how we order our common life?” As the secular is precisely that realm which identifies what is common to both Christian and non-Christian (the neutral space you cherish), then expunging of what it has in common with Christianity would to the same measure expunge what it has in common with itself; an impossibility, as it would render the secular as empty and meaningless as your definition of secularism. In addition, your definition of secularism also deprives the word secularist of definition. For when you talk of a secularist to whom do you refer: to the one who promotes the secular or to the one who promotes secularism?

And indeed, what you yourself say shows that you do not accept your definition of secularism in any practical, working sense. For you refer to “full fledged secularists,” and this is like referring to the full fledged dead as opposed to the somewhat or mildly dead. In your terms one is either a secularist (proponent of secularism) or one is not. There can be no in-between, for to be in-between would be to cease being a secularist and to become a proponent of the secular.

The secular realm is not one realm among others (Muslim, agnostic, atheistic, etc) but it is the realm that seeks to guarantee the preservation of other realms by defining what is common to all realms and so providing acknowledged space for each set of differences. The true mission of Christianity is not to redefine the secular realm, but to conquer the other realms through the persuasiveness of its own self-expression.
10.10.2010 | 2:03pm
David Mills says:
We do watch selected television shows when we can get them on dvd, which among other things spares us the commercials, which when you're not used to them feel like a repeated and regular smack in the head. And there are many very good tv shows. I particularly like the British series "MI-6," despite the somewhat wearying anti-Americanism.

I watched the first two seasons of "Breaking Bad," at the urging of Rob G. and another friend. It is very well done, and gripping, etc., and charts the moral decay and the resulting losses of a man who begins by doing a wicked thing he thinks justified and necessary, which of course leads to him doing worse and worse things. But still, after investing all those hours in the show, I don't feel I've gained much if anything, and certainly nothing I wouldn't have gained from reading.

In fact, I've come to see, or at least to feel, that if I just want to relax, reading is still much better than watching tv shows, even if I only read a mystery. The experience is just as relaxing, but is more mentally engaging and provides a richer encounter with the subject. I feel better when I finish a book than when I finish a tv series. I wouldn't propose this as a rule for everyone, but I've come to feel it more strongly.

My friend Steve Hutchens is referring to my "Selling Confession" (http://www.insidecatholic.com/feature/selling-confession.html) in case anyone is interested.
10.10.2010 | 5:35pm
James Murphy says:
Roger offers us the following bromide:

"but perhaps a majority of the readers of this website don't believe in evolution and think the earth is 8000 years old."

Apparently this is his first visit to First Things.
10.10.2010 | 8:40pm
When our son was born we dumped TV. While we still possess the physical instrument, it is not connected a to cable or satellite feed. He watches only what we deem fit to watch, and only in our immediate physical presence. When my wife or I want to watch a television show, we watch it privately via PC on Hulu, Netflix, or iTunes.

Most TV is garbage, as is most of everything, but it is possible to separate good garbage from bad. The show MAD MEN is an example of good garbage. It depicts alcoholism, greed, vanity, lust, license, divorce, and abortion in frank terms, but never in a positive manner. Adultery, for example, is frequently depicted, but never in terms of glamor or release; rather, it is shown always as the filthy, life-wrecking, marriage-ruining, child-damaging act that it is. Philandering and lying are the main character's primary personality traits, but they are presented as tragic flaws to be overcome, not as liberating virtues to be emulated. The Church is depicted with all its warts and bruises, but never disparagingly or as a force for evil as is common in other entertainments of our day.

The producers and writers of MAD MEN are not, to my knowledge, overtly religious or culturally conservative. Nevertheless, they are in my opinion attempting to point out the weaknesses and the strengths of what for lack of a better term I call Pre-1960s America. While never shying away from the uglier aspects of "the good old days", the creators of MAD MEN often compare and contrast what might be called "pre-revolutionary" American values and behaviors with those of the Age of Aquarius — and depict the latter as being inferior in many ways. Whether this unfavorable attitude towards the Sixties Revolution is conscious or unconscious on the part of the show's creative teem is unclear — but as a traditional Catholic and staunch reactionary I find it to be obvious.

Having television in one's home is in many ways akin o having a sewer pipe emptying into one's living room. however, by using the Internet and PC as means by which to filter this effluent, it is possible to separate the useful, fertilizing material from the toxic and noisome bulk.
10.11.2010 | 4:35am
Martin Snigg says:
Asa secularism as a set of doctrines defines itself by opposition to Christian inspired secularity. See Fr. Neuhaus' 'The Naked Public Square' or anything on the matter in FT's archives.

A Christian believes intrinsic human dignity is common to both believers and non-believers and will want to use philosophy and revelation to make his case. A secularist will deny this metaphysical principle and man's supernatural destiny. They will want it replaced with their own metaphysical principle, that of autonomy. The difference in terms of abortion, euthanasia and the place of the family in the social order is an ocean of blood.

And rather than contend for public support for its doctrines and its way of ordering public goods in a disputed public space, secularism seeks to install itself as some kind of neutral public philosophy - as the gatekeeper of what constitutes truly public secular speech. This is most evident in some of the most egregious opinions of US Supreme Court Justices.

Christian contributions are dismissed without argument as divisive and unpersuasive because philosophically disputed. Secularist contributions to the public square though they often constitute aggressive attacks on the cultural status quo and are themselves philosophically disputed do not receive the same treatment. Despite having no Constitutional warrant - they are yet taken as neutral and tolerant rather than radical impositions of secularist doctrines.

This double standard exists because secularism, which presents itself as neutral, as set of doctrines dominates public life.

A full fledged secularist will be someone who self consciously promotes secularism. An ordinary run of the mill secularist these days will be a herd animal having unarticulated and truly incoherent beliefs about what kinds of speech genuinely liberal in the best sense of that word.

The secular is not one realm among many agreed, yet secularists by arrogating to themselves the authority to define the shape and boundary and access to this realm claim sovereign ownership of what is supposed to be held in common. They have a recent odious history of using the power of the state and more particularly the judiciary to coercively maintain this domination.
10.11.2010 | 3:03pm
Rob G says:
"[Reading] is just as relaxing, but is more mentally engaging and provides a richer encounter with the subject. I feel better when I finish a book than when I finish a tv series."

Agreed. Thing is, I already read quite a lot (usually 15-20 hrs. a week at least) but watch TV shows or movies only three or four hours a week. For me it's the reverse -- watching a TV show on DVD or a movie from Netflix or the library is a chance to relax the eyes and the mind a bit and briefly go a little passive.
10.12.2010 | 1:55pm
When there is no grace, all virtue is lost. Courtesy depends on charity for its existence; take away the virtue and lose the practice of kindness that courtesy involves. So on television there is no courtesy because the industry has made a point of ignoring virtue to the point of obliteration.
10.13.2010 | 9:54am
Living, as I do, in a coercively "politically correct" environment, I'd put it like this: One can no longer say even what is true if it gives offense, so some take refuge in just giving offense.

There is no help for this except the channel changer, the Off button, or the charity shelter that could use a TV in their common room.
10.13.2010 | 2:49pm
andrew says:
i can't help but think of st. paul's comments regarding eating consecrated meat.... and of the old reformed doctrine of "common grace."

two of my favorite films are p. t. anderson's "magnolia" and "there will be blood." both are works by a consummate artist, i think. they may well fall into the category of "good garbage," but i'm not so sure they're garbage. i think they're good art, true art, art that wrestles with the inescapable reality of the fall. magnolia, despite the profanity, is spectacularly moving.

because of first things, i also watched "the lives of others" recently. plain and simple, the film has made me a better man. film can be redemptive, at least to some people.

i wonder what someone like matthew milliner would think of this discussion. for surely film qualifies as art.
10.25.2010 | 5:28pm
talia89 says:
As a family, we have pretty much given up TV except for the occasional hockey game during playoffs in spring. Being Canadian of Ukrainian descent, we were under much pressure (mainly from my parents) to watch the local "So You Think You Can Dance" knock-off since both male finalists were of Ukrainian descent. After watching for 20 minutes or so with frequent channel changes to avoid the raunchier dance sequences, it occurred to me that I long for the days when a child could watch prime time TV without his parents being in a state of constant apprehension. The conclusion of the show brought the only relief of the evening. You may wonder why we didn't turn it off earlier. So do I. I have to confess, it's more than a little bizarre that my 84 and 89 year old parents are more liberal in their viewing habits than I am.
3.23.2011 | 3:34am
Thanks for the chance to concur David. Can't stomach TV either and haven't used it for many years. Mrs. Scalia reminds me how its too difficult now just to watch plain non-aggressively secularist programming; tried watching sport recently but then got hit by not just obnoxious but intolerable commercials - ones that would damage impressionable young ones - let alone what they do to me (can feel the spiritually oppression descend). Asa, the shows you mention, however well crafted, depict graphic scenes of murder, suicide, torture, rape, buggery, fornication, and drug abuse: They revel in the base. Viewers bathe in mental manure. Soak in it too long, and you're going to come out smelling funny.
5.24.2011 | 1:16pm
Angela Beats says:
We can rant and rave against this kind of dreck until we are blue in the face but what we really need to do is demand something different. We are not alone as Catholics or even as Christians or even as religious people. Surely there must even be decent agnostics and atheists wishing for entertainment that isn't utterly lewd and crass. I know we must be a sizable minority and perhaps we are even a majority. But somehow there is NO popular media working to meet our needs.
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