Umberto Eco is one of those agnostic or atheist writers Christians tend to like, not just for the quality of his thinking on this or that question, but because every now and then he seems to let the cat out of the bag. “Your own guy admits it!” is one of the most satisfying arguments around. Christian apologists offer it a lot. (It’s also one of the easiest to make, and that aspect of its attraction should not be forgotten.)
And it is also, with a few exceptions, though I can’t think of any at the moment, an argument to be avoided, or used with qualifications. I’m thinking mainly of the apologist, who usually does not see that the atheist believes, and with reason, that he has no bag at all, much less a cat he might accidentally release.
In a column written for Christmas five years ago, which I recently came across while looking for something else on Christmas, Eco notes that “Human beings are religious animals,” and explains that “it is psychologically very hard to go through life without the justification, and the hope, provided by religion.” We need, he writes,
to justify our lives to ourselves and to other people. . . . It is the role of religion to provide that justification. Religions are systems of belief that enable human beings to justify their existence and which reconcile us to death.
Then—and this is the cat let out of the bag part—he notes that
You can see this in the positivist scientists of the 19th century. They insisted that they were describing the universe in rigorously materialistic terms — yet at night they attended seances and tried to summon up the spirits of the dead. Even today, I frequently meet scientists who, outside their own narrow discipline, are superstitious.
Aha! the apologist thinks at this point, he’s admitting that man can’t live without religion, from which it follows that man can’t live without God, from which it follows that God exists. If he does not go quite that far, he thinks that Eco has undermined the secularist narrative in a way that makes the theist narrative much more believable, or at least much more easily believed.
In any case, the embarrassing fact having been revealed by someone who shouldn’t admit it in public, the camel will follow his nose into the tent, the dominoes will fall, the other shoe will drop.
But the testimony of someone on the other side doesn’t really get the religious believer very far, no matter how eminent the writer who has offered the testimony. There is the simple problem that if the admission were really so damaging, someone like Eco would not admit it. Then there is the greater problem that whatever the cat the other side seems to have let out of it's bag, the admission can always be read in two or more ways and one of them will favor the non-believer. Each side can explain or explain away the most embarrassing facts.
The believer can say, “See, people are religious. Even the great nineteenth century atheists were religious. Eco admits it,” and the non-believer can respond, “They could not completely escape the effects of their upbringing and culture. Their minds and hearts were formed by the assumption that there is something out there.”
Offering evidence from the present, the believer may argue that many scientists are still religious, and point to the religious emotion and authority some who are not give to science, and the non-believer can respond that they could not completely escape the effects of a culture that is still religious, and point to the high percentage of atheists among practicing scientists. (Which may or may not be accurate, but we’ll let it go for now.)
One of them sees the persistence of religion as remarkable in a secular culture, the other sees the growth of atheism as remarkable in a religious culture. The same fact seems to each an argument in their favor.
The arguments can get more sophisticated, but at each level they have, I think, this same rough equivalence. The result is a debate a neutral observer would have to score as a tie. Each side presents a plausible way of reading the evidence and each can plausibly reinterpret in their own favor the other side’s criticisms.
That is not to say that I think the arguments are in fact equivalent or the answers only a matter of perspective or prior commitment—I think religion has the better case, as you’d guess. But I also think from long years of reading apologetics and apologists high and low, and of writing apologetics myself, that we typically make a mistake with this kind of argument. The agnostic or atheist has not given us anything. Nothing at all. We shouldn’t claim he did.
A p.s., of sorts. A friend to whom I’d sent the link to Eco’s article wrote back, “I have hope for Mr. Eco. At least he knows the right questions. The ones I’m worried about don’t even know there are questions to be asked.” So do Christians often respond to any non-believing writer who criticizes secularism, like Eco, or argues as a serious moralist, like George Orwell and Christopher Hitchens.
I would like to agree with my friend, but I can’t, not with any confidence. In my observation of my secular friends and acquaintances, Eco’s position is one of the worst from which to move back to religious faith, because it is so comfortable. You satisfy any religious leanings you still have by defending it and remembering it fondly while simply accepting that you can’t believe it anymore.
The reasons you give are intellectual, and if the real reasons are moral, you are not going to examine or question them closely enough to find out. Religion is no longer a question for you, but a stage you’ve been through. You view it with nostalgia, the way you might view the clothes you wore at twenty, or affection, the way you might view an old uncle who writes the newspapers declaring that the world is flat.
You may ask the right questions, but you will not offer the right answers, defined as those that will bring you back to the religious faith. The ardent New Atheist who can barely avoid shouting when talking about God is more likely to convert, and the louder he shouts the closer to conversion he may be.
But that, of course, I sometimes worry, may be true of the ardent Christian apologist as well.
David Mills is Deputy Editor of First Things. His previous “On the Square” articles can be found here. For the works he quotes, see Eco’s God isn't big enough for some people and Lewis Campbell’s introduction to Jowett’s Scripture and Truth.
Comments:
Acts of the understanding are specified by their object, so true and false beliefs are no more equivalent than apprehension and misapprehension are equivalent species of an identical genus; rather, false beliefs are paralogisms
According to Thomas Aquinas, yes. Because there will always be a lack of certainty, faith is an act of freedom. If the truths of faith were as certain as the existence of the keyboard I am typing on now, we would we would be compelled to believe and have no choice.
http://thinkpoint.wordpress.com/2008/12/03/i-hope-there-is-no-god-thomas-nagel/
What is at the core of our "post-modernist" destruction of language and ideas but a childish avoidance of accepting failure by throwing the whole game on the floor in a twisted and confused mess?
The thing to note, though, is that the atheist's argument is reasonable given the (faith-based) assumptions he starts with - assumptions as to the nature of what we can know and how we can know it, what kinds of information are valuable or trustworthy, what kinds of information should be dismissed without thought.
Atheists embrace a set of assumptions derived from the Enlightenment. They genuinely believe these set of assumptions are "the truth", not faith-based. These assumptions include (but are not limited to) the assumptions that are the basis of the scientific method. Forgetting that the scientific method is always, always conditional (if the assumptions are correct, then the conclusion is fact), the atheist - or more accurately the humanist - makes a leap of faith in believing that assumptions such as Ockham's razor can be taken for "the truth".
I say "more accurately humanist" because, whether they identify themselves as an atheist, an agnostic, or even as a Christian or pagan, the true description of the religious beliefs of the humanist is Unitarian Universalist - a recognized religion whose beliefs are identical with the core assumptions of humanism itself, a set of beliefs big enough to accommodate any religion at all, as long as you subordinate your religious beliefs to the core beliefs of humanism (such as the presumption that scientific method is the first and best source of knowledge, and all that entails),
The scientific method is not neutral when used in this way. It starts from the assumption that the universe is material until proven otherwise, and then admits only certain kinds of evidence. It preferences certain kinds of argument over others, and certain conclusions over others. It assumes that the acquisition of knowledge is a higher good than the humane treatment of our fellow creatures. And so on.
So, I can appreciate the pun in the title of the article : The Atheist gives us nothing.
Indeed.
Good one, David!
The observation that human beings " need a myth " has been discovered several years back by the well known psycologist , C.G. Jung. That is good reason to join not to run from.
Aha! The atheist debater might say at this point. The theists admit it at last! But it doesn't necessarily follow that every piece of good news is mere wishful thinking. So no gotcha-points to the atheist, and none to us in re Eco. Every hard-wired human urge does not support a proposition about the universe. Why else isn't the world made of bacon?
Spiegel outlines a slippery slope, whereby 'sin corrupts cognition' (p.54). He quotes Kierkegaard's statement that 'people have hitherto been beating the air in their struggle against objections, because they have fought intellectually with doubt instead of fighting morally with rebellion' (p.57).
Drama of a different sort informs Religious people. It is the drama of contingency. A recognition that our hold here is tenuous, that our lives matter, that what we do and don't do matters and that we are not the determinate of what and how things matter. This is the greater drama, that we occupying a small space on a small planet for a short time can cast our lot for a greater thing or failing that must stand against the consequences. My version of the living drama of atheism can be summed up by the question of why are there cornflakes on the kitchen floor. The answer is someone dropped their bowl.
1. The idea that the question of God existence is a question of meanning. The question of God existence is not a question of meanning (if life makes sense without God). The question of God´sexistence is a question of truth: Does the a God a(or many) ctually exist? Yes or no. What if God doesn´t exist and life has no meanning, as believers seem to assume? What if that is true? Eco observation, as the author of this entry rightly points, is not an admition or a concesion to the believer. Actually it points that religious belief (in many cases) is just a question a belief for confort, a pshycological trick, a placebo, but it is not related with the truth of the claim about the existence of God (of God existences and the validity of all other claims made by specific religions).
2. The idea that atheists are materialists per se. True, many of the modern day atheists are indeed materialists, but not all of them. I do not assume that all that exists is matter (although, I assume methodological materialism in the practize of science, which is a whole different issue). Yet I still haven´t seen any decent argument, any metaphysical assumption, any onthological consideration that will make me believe that there is a God. Wrong or right, my point is that it has nothing or little to do with me being a materialist (which I am not by the way).
If all that exists is not matter, to which you say you assume, what else are you referring to? Do you assume a spiritual realm that exists independent of matter, or can you elaborate please?
Pascal, although brilliant in other areas, would have been wise to consider Augustine's statement, 'Understanding is the reward of faith; therefore, do not seek to understand in order to believe, but believe that thou mayest understand'.
“You can see this in the positivist scientists of the 19th century. They insisted that they were describing the universe in rigorously materialistic terms — yet at night they attended seances and tried to summon up the spirits of the dead. Even today, I frequently meet scientists who, outside their own narrow discipline, are superstitious.”
In “Uncle Tom’s Cabin” Harriet Beecher Stowe observed that self-described atheists often break down and eventually believe in some sort of odd spirituality, or quasi-paganism (which I guess means they’re not really atheists). I think Stowe’s character Simon Lagreed had such views. I also think it was G. K. Chesterton who once lamented that 19th century people believed in nothing, which led to 20th century people believing in just about anything.
One area where I must give Eco credit is that, in the above quote, he laments some of the goofy spiritual ideologies of fellow scientists who clearly should know better. As a Catholic with a technical background I find these beliefs inconsistent with rational thought, and just plain maddening. I must credit ECO for the above quote.
Finally it seems that, for the lion’s share of us, we either believe in the one true God, or we worship some strange something. I think with Stowe and Chesterton, you can’t go wrong.
I don't think you've got St. Thomas right. It's true that it is possible for a rational being to disbelieve in God, but that doesn't mean that it is reasonable in the sense that's relevant here. We are not forced to believe in it, but denying it is not reasonable. Aquinas held that there were preambula fidei, among which is the truth that God exists. These preambles of faith are accessible to reason, and one who denies them is, to that extent, unreasonable.
I believe (though I have not seen the lecture, just read someone's notes of the lecture) that Dr. Robert Sapolsky can even compartmentalize "religious" practices with the traits listen above. For example, schizophrenia can lead to odd perceptual beliefs (God, angels, demons, etc), obsessive compulsive disorder can lead to religious ritualistic practices (self-cleansing, food preparation, numerology, symmetry, etc.).
The question is even if we grant this were all true, just how much does it really explain? I mean, I don't see how this would disprove religion or God. One can't explain religion and say they have falsified it, without actually falsifying the truth claims that religions makes.
For the next 27 years I was involved in thoughtful and heartfelt investigations into what might constitute the gestalt, the grand Truth, from which all truths might emanate from or resonate with (because Buddha and LaoTse didn’t believe in God, I of course included their insights in my research). What I didn’t know during those years is that because I had dismissed God as irrelevant, I unconsciously avoided a lot of research into the possibility of him existing and therefore the truths that research could offer in arriving at a gestalt: I had unknowingly limited my investigation.
At age 38, a few months after my daughter was born, I became aware in a moment of clarity as a single parent that I was incapable of raising her properly with all the accumulated truths of my research, and so I turned back to the God I had dismissed at age 11 and asked for his help (it was the first time I sacrificed my ego cornered in Godless research), and the help I've received has worked many miracles for me as a parent, miracles that could not otherwise have occurred.
Now this doesn't prove the existence of God, but what I did discover after my return to believing in God is that I had unconsciously decided to limit my investigation into what constitutes the gestalt of the many particular truths of human existence, and so I had a lot of catching up to do.
On this broader path of investigating I would discover Thomas Aquinas, Hans Urs von Balthasar, Henri de Lubac, Joseph Pieper and many others, and after discovering them I would understand more deeply writers I had loved so dearly for many years in my limited search, like Proust, Dostoevsky, Kafka and Flannery O'Connor.
Now at age 63 I can see clearly how vast the terrain is and how much I had limited my vision when I had abandoned God. And it is only now that I can see clearly the common tragedy that afflicts us all in some degree: the many impasses that we can get locked down in so easily. For there is nothing more tragic than ending the journey to the Godhead, the only journey of ultimate value and meaning.
Nothing can be proved to anyone who has arrived at an impasse, camping out on the endless terrain of the Absurd, and this is true not only of atheists, but of religionists who cling piously and fearfully to religious notions about existence without actually participating in the life of God, and at that point the person trapped in an impasse is trapped in a cyclical vision, like Nietzsche's Eternal Recurrence.
Intellectual titillation becomes key in the illusionist trick of making a meaningless impasse meaningful (Camus, whom I still admire as an honest man so beautifully rabid in his search for the Truth, made the best-known attempt in his book “The Myth of Sisyphus”), the most effective salve of the many Epicurean fixes. Even old heroin addicts intellectualize endlessly in their cyclical dead end, represented best by William Burroughs (let’s be serious folk, how many little truths did he contribute to a gestalt understanding of truth?)
What I have discovered that might be of interest: all the many truths expounded on by the great atheist writers - including Marx, Freud, Darwin and Nietzsche - have lost their edge, although these truths remain independent of the books they were elaborated on and too often held captive to erroneous conclusions, certainly ripped from the gestalt that could have enshrined them. But I keep returning to Aquinas, de Lubac, Pieper, von Balthasar and other great companions of God, those who lived inside the very life of our Lord, NOT because they were religious and I’m fixated on being religious, but because the truths they write about harmonize in a mysterious fashion with all the truths of existence, not in any way standing on their own as the great atheist tracts do, separate from the “hymn of the universe” as Tielhard de Chardin called it.
What I know for certain in my case is that I'm not in a cyclical journey, but stumbling ever forward to the Omega Point. And the reason I love Nietzsche's writings, why he among all the atheist writers has given me the most joy, is that he was honest enough to admit he lived in a cyclical nightmare that he could dispel only with intellectual titillation, and being a genius of thought he got more comfort than most, but not enough to prevent madness, and I am convinced that the Absurd, the Omega Point for every honest atheist, inevitably leads to suicide, madness or some form of addiction, especially intellectual addictions.
Anything can survive an intellectual debate, but nothing will survive laughter. It's too bad christians as a whole have lost their ability to laugh at others' folly, I personally find it a very helpful corrective in a debate. But I'm the only one laughing at their arguments - if they met more christians who did the same, they might begin to actually question their South Park/Simpsons indoctrination.
Thank you for your testimony.
For me it was Aristotle and Thomas Aquinas who liberated me from the intellectualized sophist-icated babble during my course of studies.
"For example, schizophrenia can lead to odd perceptual beliefs (God, angels, demons, etc), obsessive compulsive disorder can lead to religious ritualistic practices (self-cleansing, food preparation, numerology, symmetry, etc.)."
Having grown up with a schizophrenic, I can confidently say Sapolsky doesn't know what he's talking about. There is absolutely no way anyone at any point in human history would mistake a schizophrenic for an authority on anything, let alone religion. It wouldn't surprise me at all if tribes however many thousands of years ago killed them once their anti-social behavior manifested itself.
"Religions are systems of belief that enable human beings to justify their existence and which reconcile us to death."
Aside from being completely false, this caricature has all the sophistication of a "fact" regurgitated by a 9th grader.
Christians are more or less laughing at the folly of JGY in this debate on First Things' Evangel blog from a post titled:
Moral Blind Spots.
I've been checking it out. That's probably the main reason I love JGY. strident gay activists ftw
Funny, I have the same impresion of many theists. See:
"Many so-called theists convince themselves they believe in a creator because it gives them the ability to rationalize whatever (often quite depraved) behaviors, all in the ´name of God´..."
Unfortunatelly those sophisms tell us nothing about existence or inexistence of God.
What depraved behaviors do theists engage in in God's name?
Well, you know, like taking a plane full of people and crashing it against a building full of people, burning, decapitating and generally murdering ´infidels´ (just for being infidels), or sexually abusing people, human sacrifices...you really want me to continue?
Aside from the one method of mass murder you mention, all that and more have been committed by secularist regimes: the Reign of Terror, the exploitative colonialism of Cecil Rhodes, the race theories developed by followers of Darwinism which exacerbated that colonialism, Stalin, Hitler, Mao, Pol Pot...do you really want me to continue??
You can continue if you want (by the way, I do not accept Hitler as an atheist nor his regimen as a secularist one). My point is that if you are going to make silly generalizations about all atheists and their motifs, you should be aware the same can be dont to theists. But that again, hardly settles the question of God existence or inexistence.
Sue Abromaitis
Way too far :D. He was writing about religion as just another evolutionary mechanism that helps us live. Anxiety or depression are similar mechanisms when you think about it, but not closed in any dogmatic systems.
"The Atheist on the other hand is constrained to only one choice: consistent denial and refutation of innumerable evidences presented by nature, man, universe and even his own conscience."
Oh boy, when you don't believe in gods, all those so called evidences are proving that there is no god, or there is allah, or buddha if you are from different culture. Whatever tells you previously programmed brain, you will easily prove it with "nature, universe and conscience". Seeing atheists as guys obsessed with religion, doing nothing but deny religious dogmas is simply wrong and close minded idea, which fits to 1% atheists at best. I don't think theists understand that when you don't believe in god, you don't believe in god. It's that simple, nothing more or less. I would LOVE to believe in some god, but after examination there is no evidence supporting god of any religion, so going against one's conscious and subscribe to religion would be denial of innumerable evidences against it.



Does the Christian faith somehow constrain us to deny these possibilities? If so, then we can at least sympathetically understand the hasty-minded apologist, who is all-too-ready to see in the atheist's words evidence of bad faith. But, if not, then perhaps acknowledging these possibilities might help us to avoid the errors which David Mills so thoughtfully discusses.