Whenever secular liberals are challenged on one of their latest innovations in ethics, their reply almost invariably goes something like this: “Well, if you are opposed to same-sex marriage, then marry someone of the opposite sex.” Or: “If you are so against abortion, then don’t have one.”
In other words, in the immortal words of Rodney King, why can’t we all just get along? I’ll let you have your morality if you let me have mine.
Occasionally, though, the veil slips and liberalism shows that its fondness for the “live and let live” principle is only skin-deep. The latest example of a more bare-knuckled liberalism comes from that famous mangler of the English language, Vice President Joe Biden. On his recent visit to the Far East, he expressed his “understanding” for China’s one-child policy, which is regularly enforced by compelling women in their second pregnancy to abort their child. True, he went on to criticize that same policy, but only on utilitarian grounds: As to the delicate point of government lackeys dragging women from their homes and fastening them to hospital gurneys—not a word. “Pro-choice,” indeed.
The Vice President’s nod to what I will call here “coercive liberalism” is unfortunately not an isolated case. In the August 29, 2011 issue of National Review, the vigorous and witty polemicist Mark Steyn collected a veritable rasher of examples of secular liberalism at its most heavy-handed, including the cases of Lars Hedegaard, a Danish journalist convicted of “racism” for questioning Islam’s treatment of women, Stephen Boissoin, a Canadian convicted of violating a “human rights” law for writing a “homophobic” letter to his local newspaper, and Dale McAlpine, a British street preacher arrested for publicly promulgating Christian teachings on homosexuality. Perhaps what is most disturbing about this trend is that these attempts at micro-tyranny are coming from liberals, who used to be the ones most hyper-reactive to restrictions on free speech.
Speaking very generally, liberals get their initial inspiration from John Stuart Mill’s classic text of political theory, On Liberty, while conservatives get theirs from Edmund Burke’s Reflections on the Revolution in France. From those conflicting inspirations come the caricatures that each side holds of the other: Liberals see conservatives as hidebound worrywarts, always defending tradition at any cost, while they in turn are bravely upholding the right to free speech: you can say whatever you want, and let the government lump it.
So how has liberalism come so far that it now abandons so cavalierly what ought to be the foundation of all its subsequent policies? Without a robust devotion to free speech, what is the point of being liberal at all? What happened?
The story of this declension is a long one, and surely Friedrich Nietzsche’s blistering attack on Enlightenment reason must play a key role here. As soon as one thinks that truth-claims are but assertions of the will-to-power, it then becomes all but impossible to uphold the formerly liberal idea of the universal “rights of man,” a coinage that served as the title for the famous manifesto that inaugurated the French Revolution.
Not that liberals are showing much “will to power” of their own these days. Rather, recent attempts to muzzle free speech—especially speech criticizing Islam—seem to stem from their desire not to be bothered. Notice how weak-kneed was the reaction of the ruling classes in England to the recent riots by the young offspring of Britain’s permanent welfare class, a cowardice that reminded more than one commentator of the effete Eloi hiding in their houses at night from the marauding, light-fearing Morlocks in H. G. Wells’ great science-fiction novel The Time Machine. Never confront, always hide.
But our modern-day Eloi are not just hiding from adolescent yobs. Whole neighborhoods of mostly Muslim immigrants and their children are now being declared effectively off limits, as is criticism of anything pertaining to their religion.
Theoretically, one might think that, of all the religions in the world, none would prove more repugnant to the basic values of liberalism than Islam. Yet, in country after country in Europe, the sensibilities of Muslims are cosseted and their critics harassed. In 1999 the European Parliament passed a resolution sponsored by the Green Parties and other assorted busybodies on the left condemning the Catholic Church’s refusal to ordain women. But dare to criticize Muslim mistreatment of women, and—as Lars Hedegaard found out to his consternation—you can look forward to a not-so-pleasant spell in the Danish pokey.
The liberal worldview has imploded so quickly because no one, absolutely no one, believes in its myth of progress anymore. To go back to Nietzsche once more: whatever else his legacy means, advanced civilizations can no longer believe that things are getting better (which is why, among other reasons, there is so much hoopla over “climate change”).
Oddly, though, and in one of the great ironies of history (which knows only one law: the Law of Unintended Consequences), the collapse of this myth of progress has been turned to great advantage by Muslims in Europe, giving them a leg up in their search for converts, as Christopher Caldwell notes in his book Reflections on the Revolution in Europe:
Islam may be quantifiably backward, but it is backward at a time when progress has acquired a bad name. To say that controversial Muslim figures “come straight out of the Middles Ages” . . . does nothing to blunt their appeal. The Middle Ages is their selling point. One need not be fundamentalist or a fanatic to worry that it is in the West’s nature to advance too far, too fast. The Green and anti-globalist movements share such worries.
By no means are liberals alone to blame for this turn of events, however. Christians, too, are deeply implicated in helping to bring about this upside-down world, especially those in the liberal churches, where dogmatic integrity is eschewed, if not completely scorned. I will conclude these somber lucubrations with another quotation from Caldwell’s immensely insightful book:
The problem is not just that Saudis do not permit Christianity in their country; it is also that Europeans are less interested in evangelizing there than Saudis are in proselytizing in Europe. As long as Muslim believers are more passionate than Christian ones, and as long as the Christian world is more free than the Muslim one, [reciprocity] is a nostalgic wish, rather than a demand.
And so we come to the dénouement of this bizarre story: an epicene liberalism practices its petty harassment on an epicene Christianity because it can afford to do so, but it gives a safe-conduct pass to Muslims because it is afraid to do otherwise. To pester Muslims in Europe and Canada with the same measures meted out against Christians would at least mean that liberals are consistent in their schoolmarmish hectoring. But actually, all they want is not to be bothered.
Edward T. Oakes, S.J. teaches theology at the University of St. Mary of the Lake in Mundelein, Illinois, the seminary for the Archdiocese of Chicago. He is the author, most recently, of Infinity Dwindled to Infancy: A Catholic and Evangelical Theology.
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America's liberals on the other hand, do believe perfection is possible. But they're only interested in perfection as they define it. Their goal is equality of results, and they're willing to break a lot of eggs and pound of lot of square pegs into round holes to get there. It's the liberals who are the latter-day alchemists, trying to magically turn lead into gold, or turn government regulations into freedom. Doesn't work.
Liberals find Muslim attitudes (to women, Jews, homosexuals, etc.) as objectionable as conservatives do, but they believe people should not be assaulted, however abhorrent their opinions.
That may be a stretch. Some liberals, and I know too many Jesuits to have this wrong, helped to shape my view, and fight by the inch not the yard, live and preach the same Gospel.
In some geographic areas the absurdity of the other than Catholic is less than in arithmetic terms, than my core convictions, that gain is slower than I ever thought, but still relish a great debate on the Gospel of Jesus Christ.
The abrasive approach may not work as well as those Catholics, while never wavering on moral grounds, and bearing the rebukes of the over zealous, to their perceptions on shortcomings in our faith. California is a not all roses, nor all thorns, and that Evangelical mass of the old "know nothings" have matured into "know everything." Liberals I know are obviously more akin to the guerrilla warfare in our redemptive efforts, but as true to their personal beliefs on Catholicism as I and every bit as Conservative.
The quote from Rousseau is one of the most sinister passages in the annals of modern Western political thought and part of the charter of totalitarianism. When I first read "forced to be free," my blood froze.
Best,
Richard
RJT, this is not accurate. Churches don't have to marry anybody. In those states where same-sex marriage is legal, then a civil marriage may occur, but no church is compelled to marry two people of the same sex. That is part of the separation of church and state.
On the other side, the author seems to be obsessed with Muslims more than with criticizing liberalism. Is not that Islam is (or should be) beyond criticism. But conservatives (in Europe as in America) have taken the usual liberal criticism of religion (that they dismiss, of course, when it targets Christianity) as an excuse to bash Muslims or hide their own racist and xenophobic agenda. Left wing parties, not being liberal (or consistently liberal), of course see that and try to use anti liberal measures to censure conservatives using the hand of the state. A morally unacceptable strategy to defend immigrants or Muslims, yet I can see they may have a point...
You write, "Some liberals, and I know too many Jesuits to have this wrong, helped to shape my view, and fight by the inch not the yard, live and preach the same Gospel." This certainly is not true in Seattle, Washington. The preeminent catechists for the Archdiocese for many years were pro-abortion, and during that time I was asked to leave St. James Cathedral as a parishioner, and Blessed Sacrament Church as a parishioner. Those same catechists now are pro-life. Yet those same catechists are now pro-gay marriage, and I am ostracized for insisting on what the Church teaches on human sexuality, best represented in Pope John Paul II's "Theology of the Body".
Also, Se attle’s Jesuit University hired professors that teach the correctness of gay marriage and other dogmas of sex liberationists, while inviting Larry Flynt to lecture on free speech, praising him as a hero when in fact his fight is to publish porn, and free speech serves him well in his business adventure.
experiment.) The problem, according to Belloc, is that "Islam is apparently unconvertible." Id., at 54.
First, others I suppose some may disagree, but I don't for one minute believe that Vice President Biden doesn't actually disapprove strongly of China's one-child policy and forced abortion. And of course his office did put out the following statement: "The Obama administration strongly opposes all aspects of China's coercive birth limitation policies, including forced abortion and sterilization. The vice president believes such practices are repugnant. He also pointed out, in China, that the policy is, as a practical matter, unsustainable. He was arguing against the one-child policy to a Chinese audience."
"Stephen Boissoin, a Canadian convicted of violating a 'human rights' law for writing a 'homophobic' letter to his local newspaper" . . . The ruling against him was reversed.
"Dale McAlpine, a British street preacher arrested for publicly promulgating Christian teachings on homosexuality . . . . " Yes, he was arrested, but he was then freed with no charge being filed.
"Lars Hedegaard, a Danish journalist convicted of “racism” for questioning Islam’s treatment of women . . . . " Appeals to the Supreme Court and the European Court of Human Rights lie in the future.
I was speaking from the UK situation, where a member of parliament has proposed just such coercion.
Perhaps in some sense that is true, but is it a good legal principle? Isn't one of the basic tenets of the rule of law that laws apply equally to all people? So that someone who defames Islam receives the same treatment as someone who defames Christianity? (Not that I think defamation of a religion should be illegal at all.)
Isn't there, also, something rather perverse and self-defeating about "special protection" for people who want to destroy your way of life? How far are you willing to take that idea before you would consider yourself a traitor to your own culture?
And also, what about the Muslim women? Aren't they in need of protection? And do you think Muslims in Europe are really all that "weak and vulnerable" anyway? Are you suggesting that their culture is inferior?
You must not overlook Rousseau's remarks in the previous chapter on the social compact:
" These clauses, properly understood, may be reduced to one — the total alienation of each associate, together with all his rights, to the whole community; for, in the first place, as each gives himself absolutely, the conditions are the same for all; and, this being so, no one has any interest in making them burdensome to others.
Moreover, the alienation being without reserve, the union is as perfect as it can be, and no associate has anything more to demand: for, if the individuals retained certain rights, as there would be no common superior to decide between them and the public, each, being on one point his own judge, would ask to be so on all; the state of nature would thus continue, and the association would necessarily become inoperative or tyrannical.
Finally, each man, in giving himself to all, gives himself to nobody; and as there is no associate over whom he does not acquire the same right as he yields others over himself, he gains an equivalent for everything he loses, and an increase of force for the preservation of what he has."
I was waiting for the caricature that conservatives holds of liberals, but somehow that never came up.
Or was the whole essay intended to illustrate it? :)
Many *don't*, true. But they *could*:
http://www.edge.org/3rd_culture/pinker07/pinker07_index.html
The fact is? Conservatives are far, far, far more coercive than liberals. Indeed, they already do not allow freedom of choice, in many matters.
Do you therefore mean to speculate, fearfully, that liberals might one day, be as coercive - as you yourself are?
(By the way, Biden's being "sympathetic" to China's policies, is not the same as embracing them explicitly.)
There is no about-face or change in Liberalism, its liberal allowance of all kinds of behavior. Nor in Conservatism - and its continuing rigid coercions, its restraints on freedom.
To the extent it resembles a coherent political ideology, American liberalism emerges from the conjunction of two tendencies: libertarianism and the belief that state power must guarantee individuals the material conditions necessary for the full use of their rightful freedoms. We can think of autonomy as kind of the lynch pin here—the dignity of humans requires respect their capacity to govern their own affairs, and making this autonomy real requires both the protection of basic rights and the provision of certain goods such as adequate education, decent living conditions, and freedom from humiliation and exploitation.
There’s an obvious tension here, and it’s hardly surprising that in pressing one of these two tendencies liberals can end up endorsing illiberal means. The important point, however, is that there are ample resources within liberalism itself to criticize these mistakes. No liberal is contradicting herself in rejecting forced abortions or any of the other examples appealed to here. (For what it’s worth, I would argue that modern conservatives face the same kinds of temptations to rely too much on the state, but also have the resources available to resist that same temptation.)
The second point I would make is that so characterized modern liberalism is rather modest, philosophically. In particular, it neither endorses nor rejects a particular view of history as progressive. Nor is it utopian, or contingent on human perfectibility. Nor need it assert or deny the reality of transcendent truths or what have you.
I'm not equipped to speak competently about a complex thinker whose ideas have occasioned intellectual wars between giants. So a few subjective remarks. It does seem to me that the Christian can never cede all his/her rights to any "general will" lest the "general will" demand that which the Christian cannot accept. God first, humankind second.
It also seems to me that Rousseau's line of thinking is naive and fabulously susceptible to manipulation by the unscrupulous, and the unscrupulous we have always with us. I think particularly of Animal Farm and Catch 22, in which Milo Minderbinder says of "the corporation," "and the best thing is that everybody has a share." HA!
Best,
Richard
The second mistake is that cultural conservatives usually blame the wrong thing. Liberalism is not so much the enemy of cultural conservatism as is consumer capitalism. It is consumer capitalism that promotes so many of the things that enrage cultural conservatives. And I’ll add that it will be consumer capitalism that defeats Islam. The people want their blue jeans.
I agree with some commentators that the author confuses classic liberalism with contemporary leftist politics such that he seems to advocate religious discrimination (odd for a priest) as long as it applies to Muslims. It is certainly true that there is a paradox inherent in tolerance and protecting minority groups, a paradox not lost on the left.
How does one support the rights of a religion that would deny those same rights to others?
One does it carefully, with precise distinction and discernment, encouraging the better parts of said religion to overcome the uglier parts. At least that's what I tell my gay friends when they ask why I can still be catholic...
From which camp has a plethora of assaults on the Magisterium taken place? The liberal or the conservative? An openness and a willingness to listen to and receive others is certainly a positive in liberalism, but the negative penchant is as Fr. Oakes outlines here, a tendency to suppress truth and coerce persons into embracing destructive lies as central to the ideal of being open and receiving others.
The laws should should not discriminate. Law enforcement should discriminate; it should direct more attention where crimes are likely to be committed. Defamation of Islam is unimportant. What is important is that defamation of Islam sometimes constitutes incitement to violence.
The very few Muslims who really want to destroy our way of life do not have even the remotest chance of actually doing so. When a caged dog growls at passersby, those who ignore him are not traitors.
Muslim women should be afforded the fullest protection of the law. This is extremely hard in practice, but most Western governments make a good-will effort.
I personally consider it a foregone conclusion that most Muslim cultures are inferior to Western culture. Anybody who is nostalgic for the Middle Ages obviously does not know much about them.
Study Shows [Liberal] Social Media Sites Censor Christian Views
The National Religious Broadcasters (NRB), the official organization representing the interests of Christian broadcasters and ministries, has released a report showing that social media websites are actively censoring Christian viewpoints. According to an NRB press release, the group’s study examined “the practices of Apple and its iTunes App Store, Google, Facebook, MySpace, and Twitter, as well as Internet service providers AT&T, Comcast and Verizon,” The findings, said the NRB’s senior vice president and general counsel, Craig Parshall, were “ominous.”
http://www.thenewamerican.com/culture/faith-and-morals/9026-study-shows-social-media-sites-censor-christian-views
Freedom for me but not for thee.
So I take it you would have no problem with, say, a supporter of gay marriage being arrested for expressing their views, provided the charges were eventually dropped, perhaps months or years later?
But no one can allow live and let live all the way down, now even a Hobbesian contract. The lack of principles by which to judge fairly will require a surrender to an arbitrarily designated power holder. The reason this is not perceived as coercive is because no alternative appears conceivable. Ought implies can but one cannot appeal to objective principles nor allow everyone to do what they want. Force is thus only inappropriate when there is a meaningful alternative of suasion. But pessimism doesn't see one.
Any individual who is arrested, charged, sued, and so on but who wins out in the end obviously goes through a personal ordeal that he or she should have been spared. But listing a collection of people who were arrested and then let go without being charged, charged but then acquitted, or sued unsuccessfully, does not make the case that Oakes is trying to make.
And let's take the case of Dale McAlpine. The charges were dropped and then we had the following:
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Veteran gay rights campaigner Peter Tatchell condemned the arrest and urged the home secretary to issue new guidelines to the police.
He said: "Although I disagree with Dale Mcalpine and support protests against his homophobic views, he should not have been arrested and charged. Criminalisation is a step too far."
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http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/england/cumbria/8687395.stm
Now, Peter Tatchell is a very big name in the gay rights movement in the UK. I can't think of an equivalent in the United States. And he condemned the arrest. It is basically dishonest to use a case like this to try to demonstrate some kind of trend.
Also, every time there is case like this in which the aggrieved party is vindicated, it sets a precedent and makes less likely that something similar will happen again.
The case in Denmark, however, does seem troubling. And I am not saying there are no threats to free speech or freedom of religion. But I don't think Oakes has made his case.
To an American, freedom primarily means being free from interference, especially government interference. To a European, freedom primarily means sharing in the government.
The American Revolution, after all, was a rebellion against an external power, the British Crown; thereafter, strong local feeling often led to the Federal Government being seen as, in some sense, an external power.
In Europe, by contrast, in the wake of the French Revolution, government action came to be seen by the citizens, as the consummated result of their own organized wishes. Of course, Europeans can be very readily persuaded that self-serving deputies are betraying the people’s mandate, in the service of special interests; in fact, the political class is held in great contempt. Nevertheless, no one believes that curbing the powers of government is desirable, or even imaginable: the government is the appointee and agent of the people; to curb the government’s powers is to curb their own.
Hence, the French (and, now, the German) fear of “communautarisme.” for which there is simply no English translation. By “communautarisme” they mean religious and ethnic solidarities and allegiances that threaten to override Republican unity. This concern is largely incomprehensible to Americans who have learned to embrace the realities of their multi-ethnic, multi-cultural society, but it is deeply rooted in French political culture, going back at least as far as Rousseau's suspicion of particular interests that undermined the general will.
Nickol: "Why is it that these laundry lists of liberal offenses never turn out to be quite what they seem?"
Because for disingenuous liberals, the state using its police to arrest and harass innocent people is not an issue, given their total disregard for the most basic human rights.
"Dale McAlpine, a British street preacher arrested for publicly promulgating Christian teachings on homosexuality . . . . " Yes, he was arrested, but he was then freed with no charge being filed.
Why is it that Nickol can never correctly acknowledge just how underhanded and abusive liberals are?
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Mr Mcalpine was preaching to shoppers in the west Cumbrian town on 20 April when he said he was approached by the PCSO, who told him he was a liaison officer for the local lesbian, gay, bisexual and transgender (LGBT) community.
"He told me he was homosexual," Mr Mcalpine said.
"I said 'the Bible says homosexuality is a sin'. He said 'I'm offended by that and I'm also the LGBT liaison officer within the police'.
"I said 'it is still a sin'."
He said three uniformed police officers then appeared and accused him of using homophobic language.
"I'm not homophobic, I don't hate gays," Mr Mcalpine said. "Then they said it is against the law to say homosexuality is a sin. I was arrested. It's crazy isn't it?"
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It is crazy. It's a psychologically deformed man in a police officer uniform using the state apparatus to harass people who don't agree with his particular sexual psychology problem.
Coercive, oppressive, and foul liberalism, thanks to people with a homosexual problem.
The wisdom of this? Of Jesus? It is that if we try to get along with our enemies, to meet them on their own turf, they will see us listening to them, and they will respect us. And soon enough, they will cease to be our enemies.
Fr. Oakes. Fr. Oakes.
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The above trend is absolutely incontestable.
"Any individual who is arrested, charged, sued, and so on but who wins out in the end obviously goes through a personal ordeal that he or she should have been spared. But listing a collection of people who were arrested and then let go without being charged, charged but then acquitted, or sued unsuccessfully, does not make the case that Oakes is trying to make. "
They would have never been harassed, sued, charged, arrested, etc. a few years ago. The trend is absolutely, unequivocally clear. The abuses, although not on a mass level, are the canaries in the liberal mine.
For each case that an individual is actually taken to prison, there are thousands of others whose speech and opinion were repressed, censored or silenced, in school, in the media, work or social environments that we never hear about.
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"Now, Peter Tatchell is a very big name in the gay rights movement in the UK. I can't think of an equivalent in the United States. And he condemned the arrest. It is basically dishonest to use a case like this to try to demonstrate some kind of trend."
No, it's not. Peter Tachell is a grotesque homosexual, with a destructive agenda, including wanting adults to be able to have sex with 14 year old boys.
Simply because he spoke against the arrest does not mean that the majority of liberals in the UK are now civil or respectful towards people with other ideologies, viewpoints, or religions. In the UK, or in the US.
It does not mean that Eunice and Owen Johns have been allowed to foster needy children, because deformed people with a homosexual problem like Tachell stand in their way. Obviously, Tachell is too deformed to foster children himself, but a perfectly good, caring couple, like the Johns, are now barred by the state to care for and love children who need a loving family. And obviously, a homosexual pedophile monster like Frank Lombard had no trouble getting his hand on two small boys to sexually torture as it pleased him.
http://religion.blogs.cnn.com/2010/11/01/would-be-british-foster-parents-sue-alleging-discrimination/
In the UK of Tachell, the Catholic Church and its agencies cannot practice their religion-- Catholic teaching is now a crime and the Church cannot uphold it:
"The Charity Commission has defended its decision not to allow the charity Catholic Care to prevent gay people from using its adoption service, at a charity tribunal hearing."
http://blog.echurchwebsites.org.uk/2011/03/14/charity-commission-defends-decision-forbidding-catholic-care-adoption-agency-preventing-gay-people-service-tribunal/
As was very nicely put:
It is interesting to see that in the name of liberty and equality the laws look so fascist.
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In Canada, the thought police uses the moniker “Human Rights Commissions”. A complaint has to be filed, but the complaint can be filed by an employee of the commission, and they are permitted to entrap individuals. Charges are not fought in real courts of law. Pseudo-magistrates decree sentences as they feel. The Homosexual community is one of the most active plaintiffs, and Christians are the most often targeted. Homosexuals labor under the erroneous idea that truth can be expunged from public discourse. They do so because their consciences devour them from within. Their response, being that they are blinded by sin, is to scapegoat those who speak truth in the vain hope that their consciences will be quiet and they can find peace in their lies. The hand-picked, party-line towing, ruling class elites that man these kangaroo courts and propaganda protection agencies are reprobates.
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There is reality, then there is a deliberately distorted account by Nickol.
http://socimages.blogsome.com/2011/06/02/uk-fight-for-freedom-of-speech-and-conscience/
And how much time, money and worry was expended in obtaining that reversal?
"Dale McAlpine, a British street preacher arrested for publicly promulgating Christian teachings on homosexuality . . . . " Yes, he was arrested, but he was then freed with no charge being filed."
So being arrested is no big deal to you? You are not troubled by someone being arrested for rxpressing an opinion?
"Lars Hedegaard, a Danish journalist convicted of “racism” for questioning Islam’s treatment of women . . . . " Appeals to the Supreme Court and the European Court of Human Rights lie in the future.
I am sure that is very comforting to him. Once again, how much money, disruption to his career, and anxiety should Mr. Hedegaard have to undergo to express his thoughts on this issue?
And the point you keep missing is that the injustices these men experienced have impact on the society. How many people want to be arrested or pulled before kangaroo courts just for expressing their opinions? Most people think it is just better to keep their mouths shut and stay out of trouble, which is exactly what the thugs who initiated these charges are counting on.
To initiate a more informative conversation about liberalism, I'd suggest inviting Tristian to contribute a few columns. His/her comments have been consistently informed in precisely those ways that seem to be absent in the essays of First Things' "top writers."
My experience during these 20+ years at my church is that the liberals who ostracize me still retain at least a semblance of a loving heart towards me, while the conservatives are much more hardened in how they relate to me, a superior indifference.
For me, the real problem is any person of faith subsuming his/her faith into any political paradigm. Liberals and conservatives have much to offer a person of faith in discerning the ways of the world. For example, Obama is the first president in my lifetime that I believe can actually begin a process of dismantling our perennial containment policy in Third World countries of supporting dictators who would quell our fears concerning our economic interests as a nation, with no regard for the plight of the people and their rich history and culture. Reagan, more than any president in my lifetime, instilled the belief that there should always be a zero-tolerance with evil forces, but not to the point of shutting down all communication with those at the helm of some evil network. In other words, he embodied a respect for his enemies that I believe was rooted in a Christian love of one’s enemies.
Liberals and conservatives need each other as critics of each other, and what Fr. Oakes is doing here is a wake-up call to every person with a loving heart that wants to stop the damage wrought by the liberal impulse to love one’s neighbor even at the cost of truth, which, in the end, is not Christian love at all, for Jesus made it clear to those who love freedom: “The truth will set you free.”
These are examples of liberalism run amok, but was the judge who reversed the ruling against Boissoin a liberal or a conservative? Was the person who released McAlpine liberal or conservative? Are the justices who decide Hedegaard’s fate liberal or conservative? The odds are good that liberals have participated in righting these injustices.
As David Nickol points out, one of the people urging the police to abandon coercion was a man (Peter Tatchell) who is otherwise extremely liberal. Most liberals are against coercive forms of liberalism.
There are conservatives after all who stand up against fellow conservatives who run amok. Unless you think conservatives are somehow less tempted to be coercive.
They are examples of attempts to criminalize certain ideas, which is a key component of modern liberalism.
Do we need to go through the whole list of incidents throughout the country where there was no reversal: the photographer in New Mexico, the Ocean Grove NJ case, the E-Harmony case in NJ, the numerous bed and breakfasts that have had various charges brought against them for refusing to accept gay couples, the suspended teacher down in Florida. Why don't we talk about the thuggish intimidation tactics used by opponents of Proposition 8 as well?
"Unless you think conservatives are somehow less tempted to be coercive."
Absolutely. Liberals cannot win a battle of ideas, so they rely on the coercive power of the state, and if that fails them, verbal or physical intimidation.
“Absolutely. Liberals cannot win a battle of ideas, so they rely on the coercive power of the state, and if that fails them, verbal or physical intimidation”
Oh, I see. You really are one of those. The bubble is a fine place to live, but you might try to call to mind some of the elements of the conservatism I was raised in—the idea, for example, that some people will always try to bend the system in order to accumulate power. If you really, truly believe that conservatives are less likely to be coercive, perhaps you should peek outside the bubble and listen to some of the stories told by aggrieved citizens (some of them conservative) about their treatment by coercive conservatives.
Perhaps you should read a history of the 20th Century.
But they are thick books, and they include enough accounts of Tito’s Yugoslavia and Castro’s Cuba and spasms of political correctness that I find it impossible to believe that any particular group of people is more virtuous than another. I am all too aware, however, that most folks prefer a simpler history, packed with good guys and bad guys.
They have crossed over into the Red China, former USSR and NAZI philosophical tyrannies.
Apparently you have defective history books. They are missing the murderous Founding Fathers of Republican France, Hitler, Lenin, Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot, and various other less famous left-wing murderers. It is interesting you mention Franco. Certainly his followers committed some atrocities, but they pale in comparison to the outrages of the Spanish Leftists. Thousands of priests, nuns and other religious murdered just because they were part of the Church.
Your history books also appear to be missing sections on the attempts by European countries, starting in the mid-19th century, to drive religion out of public life. The Left will always resort to coercion because they have to force human beings into conformity with Leftist plans for society that have no basis in reality.
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2011/09/22/texas-school-punishes-boy-for-opposing-homosexuality/?test=latestnews
I could have provided a much longer list of left-wing tyrants than the five you provided from only four countries, but I wonder whether you could provide the names of even three right-wing tyrants. And while you have somehow remembered the Spanish slaughter of clerics, I doubt you’ve thought very hard about the conservative atrocities that gave rise to the left-wing tyrants you’ve committed to memory.
More than a history book, I suspect you need a textbook on basic conservative principles. A conservative who isn’t afraid of what conservatives have done when they accrue too much power or self-righteousness is an ideologue, not a true conservative.
And by the way, nice try on passing off Hitler as a leftist. You can redeem yourself if you can list five characteristics of Nazism that were borrowed from the left and five that were borrowed from the right and then weigh them, explaining why historians who have transcended ideology consider Nazism as fundamentally a conservative movement.
In the article you link to, Matt Krause, the lawyer from Liberty Counsel who represented Dakota Pope, says, “In German class there should be no talk of being pro-Gay or homosexual topics.”
If the teacher was being intolerant of Dakota’s anti-homosexual speech, is the lawyer now being intolerant of the teacher’s pro-homosexual speech? Or does it only work one way for you?
By the way, if Fox is your only source of news, then you might just be missing out on some of the stories liberals tell about intolerance. Pop goes the bubble.
Reading the judges' ruling in this case should be required.
http://www.bailii.org/ew/cases/EWHC/Admin/2011/375.html
"Paragraph 8 of the judges’ ruling
“I discussed with Eunice, four possible scenarios, and asked how she might support the young person:
1 Someone who is confused about their sexuality and thinks they may be gay.
2 A young person who is being bullied in school regarding their sexual orientation.
3 A young person who bullies others regarding the above.
4 Someone in their care whose parents are gay.
Eunice’s response to the first situation was that she would support any child. She did not offer any explanation as to how she would go about this. On a previous occasion when the question had been put to Owen, he responded by saying that he would “gently turn them round”. In the second situation, Eunice said she would give reassurance and tell the child to ignore it.
In response to the third situation, Eunice said she didn’t know what she would do. In the case of someone whose parents are gay, Eunice said that it wouldn’t matter, and that she would work with any one.”"
Paragraph 8 of the judges’ ruling—“Mr Johns’s response to the first postulated scenario is, it might be thought, particularly revealing. There can be no doubting the meaning and significance of his reference to “turning” such a child round.”—is worth noting. Beyond this, they said that they’d try to fix non-heterosexual childrens’ sexuality, that they'd tell the children them to ignore homophobic bullying (as opposed to doing something about it), and were at a loss to imagine what to do if a child under their care was engaging in homophobic bullying him/herself. The potential for harm to children in their custody, notwithstanding their concern for children in the abstract, is clear.


