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George Weigel

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Vatican III? Where?

There are many good arguments against quickly convening a Third Vatican Council—a notion beloved of Catholics who occupy the portside cabins on the Barque of Peter.

The most obvious is that Catholicism has barely begun to digest the teachings of Vatican II on the nature of the Church, the universal call to holiness, and the reform of the episcopate, the priesthood, consecrated life, and the lay vocation in the world. Until the dramatic change in Catholic self-understanding that Vatican II mandated is fully internalized and implemented—until the Church understands itself as a mission, not as an institution that has a mission (as one among many things it does)—there seems little sense in convening Vatican III.

One might also argue that another ecumenical council would be a distraction from the evangelical mission to which Vatican II called the Church, and especially the Church’s bishops. As it is, bishops spend far too much of their time in meetings. Would the preaching of the Gospel, which, according to Vatican II, is the first responsibility of bishops, be advanced by gathering the entire world episcopate into a global mega-meeting for three or four months of the year, over a period of years?

Then there’s the question of resources. Any Vatican III would cost vast sums of money: Would such an expenditure be the best use of the Church’s resources? (As Father John O’Malley reports in What Happened at Vatican II?, one of the reasons Pope Paul VI was determined to conclude Vatican II in December 1965 was that the Council was simply costing too much.)

These are all good reasons why a general council would be a bad idea for the foreseeable future. But there’s another issue here, one that raises an intriguing question about any future council, no matter when it’s convened: Where could Vatican III (or Lateran VI, or Trent II, or Lyons III, or whatever-the-future-council-is called) possibly be held?

Vatican I (1869-70) met in one transept of St. Peter’s, because there were only 737 bishops attending. Some 2,800 bishops participated in the four sessions of Vatican II, which met in the fall months of 1962, 1963, 1964, and 1965, although at any one session there were between 2,000 and 2,500 bishops present—and they filled the entire, vast nave of St. Peter’s, seated on bleachers built high above the basilica’s marble floor. Add the ecumenical observers, the Council periti (advisers), and other functionaries with access to the Council aula (as the reconfigured basilica was called), and St. Peter’s was packed full.

But today? At the end of 2009, the last year for which complete Church statistics are available, there were 5,065 Catholic bishops in the world. A general or “ecumenical” council is, by definition, one in which all bishops have the right to participate (Canon 339). Where would this throng of over 5,000 bishops, literally twice the size of the episcopate that attended the most jam-packed session of Vatican II, meet? It certainly couldn’t meet at St. Peter’s, or at any of the other Roman basilicas. Indeed, is there a Catholic church in the world that could readily accommodate more than 5,000 bishops, their advisors, the ecumenical observers, and all the others who would rightly claim at least some place in a council hall?

One wag to whom I mentioned this conundrum spoke of a future council as “Metroplex I,” with the Council Fathers, the observers, the advisers, the translators, and all the rest of the apparatus meeting in Cowboys Stadium, graciously donated for the occasion by Jerry Jones. Bad jokes aside, however, the fact that the world episcopate has doubled in number over the past 50 years raises important questions for the future. How can this large a body function as the episcopal “college” of Vatican II’s Dogmatic Constitution on the Church? Is it possible to imagine a “virtual council,” or some other technological mechanism that would allow the world episcopate to meet as a whole?

There’s far more, literally, to any future council than typically meets the eye.

George Weigel is Distinguished Senior Fellow of the Ethics and Public Policy Center in Washington, D.C.

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Comments:

2.8.2012 | 5:57am
Greg says:
George - I envision that Vatican III could be held at Genesis Farm in New Jersey, run by the Caldwell Dominican Sisters. Labyrinth walks, tree whispering (I'm not kidding), lectures on the Ecozoic Period, in which we now live, and the "Deep Transition Culture of resistance," nature walks, home made jams and jellies, classes on canning your own garden veggies, etc. etc. This would be perfect for the bishops! And since the sisters boast that there is no chapel on the premises, and no religious services, that would free up the bishops to write an addendum to their "investigation" into American women's religious communities. And as an added bonus, for the first time in Church history, an ecumenical council will be "carbon neutral"!
2.8.2012 | 10:12am
I would have thought that the Paul VI hall in the Vatican would accomodate the potential 5000+ fathers of any future Vatican III without much of a problem.
2.8.2012 | 10:15am
Stephen says:
There is also the insight gained from Public Choice economics: with such a vast and disparate array of clerics, the process is inevitably affected tremendously by procedural protocol. Any position that falls outside infallibility is likely to generate a random result.
2.8.2012 | 10:55am
I would think that those who oppose the Church's mission might think it appropriate if the world's bishop were to meet in the Roman Colosseum. It would hearken them back to a time and status during in which they enjoyed watching large gatherings of Church leaders interacting with various animals and people of far less peaceful dispositions. They found it very entertaining then. They will probably package it as the latest and best reality series on TV - mining the treasures of ages past to find entertainment for the masses now. The revenues from selling the commercial rights would bring in enough money to keep the show running for years without emptying the Vatican's coppers.

Just a thought.

Fr. Tim Moyle
Mattawa, Ontario
2.8.2012 | 12:08pm
Eric Kniffin says:
"The First Orange County Convention Center Council" doesn't sound quite right.
2.8.2012 | 2:18pm
Gil says:
Thanks everyone for my morning chuckle. Better than coffee, and, being Irish, better than a double shot to face the ever-crumbling world.
2.8.2012 | 2:38pm
Rachel says:
Virtual Council I. Do it all online.
2.8.2012 | 3:27pm
Christopher says:
Mr. Weigel, I don't know that I can agree.

I would start with the distinction of right to attend vs. deserving of funding. Simply because a bishop has the right and duty to attend does not mean that the bishop's expenses are given or guaranteed by the Church as a whole. Further, I am interested to see the practical application of cannon 339 in terms of bishops sending delegation, historically speaking.

More on this, the Pope, himself and alone, determines the matters and order for Council. He could limit the scope and time.

Finally, I think a council would be great that focuses only on the matters of Christianity Unity (with Orthodox) and the powers of Metropolitan Bishops (SSPX and the TAC situations should be handled in a General Roman Council).
2.8.2012 | 3:45pm
Torontonian says:
As Dr. Weigel rightly points out, an ecumenical question is out of the question, and logistics is the lesser issue.

It took one great Pope, John Paul II, to define the creative direction the Church must go, and his outstanding successor, Benedict, to even begin to put in practice all that it implies. There is far to much unresolved territory to explore in the next lifetime or two, and a successor ecumenical council should be left to confront things unimagined in our era.
2.8.2012 | 5:02pm
Evagrius says:
Why do all the world's bishops need to attend a future ecumenical council? It has never been a requirement for an ecumenical council to be called such in the past, after all.
2.8.2012 | 5:51pm
richard says:
You are right. The Church ought to get on with the work of evangelizing.
2.8.2012 | 8:10pm
Beth Banks says:
Good one, Father Tim!! Maybe you need to pitch it to A&E.
2.8.2012 | 9:01pm
Hoss says:
Perhaps instead of a Vatican III there should be issued from Rome with input from all the bishops a new Syllabus of Errors.
2.9.2012 | 12:50am
Richard says:
I've always been partial to the second council of Trent. It seems to be the right location. Of course I never thought of the logistics. To provide for 5000+ bishops AND a bunch of Protestants numbering in the thousands would require a new building complex of significant size. Maybe they have a stadium that could be covered for the purpose.

Perhaps though it is more important to first have Constantinople V. Hagia Sophia is not really that big a building so some new building would be needed there for 5000+ Catholic bishops and thousands of Orthodox bishops. Besides, Turkey might not want their museum used by the Christians who built the place.

Both would be logistical nightmares with the number of bishops and advisors and interested parties and ecumenical invitees. Security alone might make either council impossible. Practically a virtual council makes some sense but would it be a 'real' council with all the bishops sitting around their Cisco telepresence units all over the planet?
2.9.2012 | 10:33am
Nancy D. says:
A new Syllabus of Errors? Since no room could possibly contain all the errors that have been allowed to multiply due to a false sense of ecumenism, The Syllabus of Errors would need to be placed on-line. Then there would really be no need for a Vatican lll, as the Syllabus of Errors would contain all the errors from those who misrepresented The Spirit of Vatican lll as well.
2.9.2012 | 12:56pm
HermitTalker says:
I do not see how anyone can disagree that we have not fully absorbed the teachings of the Second Vatican Council yet. There is a percolation and filtering process that all of its structural and teaching elements require.

The growing number of people who totally misunderstand the outreach for re-uniting the Church, and have ignored the precise claims to the RCC being Christ's Church which needs to dialogue with the other world faiths frightens me. I have no idea how many they are but they are quite active on various sites. Some also seem to be unaware that a conversion process of mind and heart are at the heart of all renewal and no decree from the Pope or document from bishops' conferences gets all marching in single file.
2.9.2012 | 1:19pm
Nancy says:
Oops, that should read, it would contain all the errors from those who misrepresented The Spirit of Vatican ll as well.
2.9.2012 | 7:14pm
Nancy D. says:
HermitTalker, to be clear, I am referring to those who have compromised our Faith.
The purpose of dialogue has never been to compromise our Faith but rather to bring others into the fold by witnessing to The Word of God.
2.9.2012 | 8:37pm
edmond says:
Vatican III, what a cop out! If there is a Vatican III, it will go the same direction as Vatican 2 because the church as a whole is still trying to embed Vatcian 2 into a multi-cultural, multi-;level of understanding. There are many grey areas because some countries still have vestiges of vatican I. I recall Mr. Weigel's rant of special ministers of the eucharist weeks back with agreement from some FT posts. Vatican 2 is still unfolding very slowly, partly because of resistance, partly because of lack of interest by the laity and mostly because there is not a unified template of the objectives of Vatican 2. There is no visible effort save for plenary councils to bring parishes into vatican 2 mode. So about Vatican 3? Get down from the paraphet, get real!
5.23.2012 | 8:27pm
Dear George:

I disagree. The only reason we ever had Trinity II was to give us a platform to move on to Trinity III, for how can you have a 3 without haveing a 2. If you ask me, we never should of had a Vatican 2 and should have gone right into Vatican 3 from the get go. The reason why is because of the Trinity. I belive in the Trinity and that is why Vatican III will go on forever... because this is what the Father, the Son and the holy ghost commands.
9.8.2012 | 7:26pm
Simply, Vatican III does not have to be held with everyone present in one spot.

In the 21st Century, a Vatican III could be a virtual event with regional meetings, regional conversations and a central document editing/distributing office.

But the way things seem to be, Vatican III might not be conducted by the Roman Catholic Church hierarchy, but rather by Catholic people and other interested parties who seek to go beyond the current problems of the starboard leaning clergy.

CC.
11.8.2012 | 1:27pm
It would be nice if this website would begin formulating what should be addressed in Vatican III. I note an article about Jews in Israel tattooing the numbers of their concentration camp ancestors on their wrists out of fear that there will be another holocaust. Should the Catholic Church do what it can to prevent another holocaust? Should the Church examine closely the Bible passage about who wanted Jesus crucified? If it was "the Jews", does this include the Mother and Father of Jesus, and all His disciples? I would hope Vatican III would re-examine the Bible and those passages that might lead to another holocaust. I feel confident Jesus would not want the Bible to inspire anti-Jewish feelings.
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