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Patrick J. Deneen

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E.J. Dionne and the Contradiction of Progressive Catholicism

For over seven years, I have had a mailbox just above E.J. Dionne’s in the Department of Government at Georgetown University. E.J. and I have always shared cordial relationships, periodically getting together to discuss our shared and differing opinions on American politics. We have speculated on what might be a blood relationship, as my mother’s maiden name is Dionne and we both have family that hail from Fall River, Massachusetts, by way of French Canada. In graduate school I was impressed and influenced by E.J.’s book Why Americans Hate Politics, a book I hoped some day to emulate in sensibility if not sales. E.J. recently wrote an admiring blurb for a book of essays that I co-edited by my mentor, Wilson Carey McWilliams.

Patrick J. DeneenThus it goes against my personal inclination to criticize E.J., but I have grown increasingly distressed by his tendency to define the Church and its activities in terms of American partisan politics. By doing so he diminishes the Church and threatens to make it merely an extension of modern politics and even the State.

Dionne has written in the past that the Church’s positions, reflecting a commitment to a “seamless garment of life,” should have the effect of “making us feel guilty” about the tendency of American Catholics to identify first as political partisans and only secondarily as Catholics. Indeed, the Catholic Church’s teachings do not map well, or at all, with the particular way in which American partisan positions have developed in the last fifty years, particularly out of the cauldron of the Cold War and its aftermath.

Dionne has been lambasting the Catholic leadership for its “conservative” positions, and praising the Church’s “moderate and liberal” elements, whether bishops, religious, or lay. He has accused the bishops of becoming too cozy with the Republican party and engaging too directly in electoral politics leading up to the 2012 election, particularly in regard to its stance against the HHS mandate and in the actions of a number of bishops and Catholic organizations filing suit against the mandate.

Yet, Dionne was a signatory on a letter signed by 90 Georgetown faculty that approvingly cited the “wisdom” of the Bishops when they responded critically to aspects of Paul Ryan’s budget. There was no alarm raised here by the “partisan” nature of such pastoral letters, nor fear expressed that the Bishop’s criticisms aligned them too closely to the Democratic party and would unduly engage them in a major issue animating the upcoming election.

He has written approvingly of the Church’s work on behalf of “social justice,” which would include (by his lights) not only the many corporal works of charity performed around the world by the Church’s many institutions, but as well the Church’s support for immigrants, its opposition to the death penalty, and its support for health-care reform that respects the inherent dignity of every human.

These activities Dionne regards worthy of support by “liberal” or “progressive” Catholics, while opposition to the HHS mandate reflects a worryingly “conservative” position. Yet, the Church’s leaders themselves do not use this language to discuss these various commitments, for the simple reason that they would not recognize this language to be an appropriate or accurate description of the work or teachings of the Church. The Church understands these commitments to be internally consistent; only a partisan would not.

In one recent column, “The Battle Among the Catholic Bishops,” Dionne divides the Bishops between “moderate and liberals” and “conservatives,” and points to the vast majority of dioceses that did not file suit against the HHS mandate as proof that there is a silent majority of liberal Catholics. He points with particular delight remarks by Bishop Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton, CA, who “broke the silence on his side” to express reservations about the lawsuits.

Yet, while Bishop Blaire expressed concern about tactics, he stated robust agreement with his fellow bishops who “very strongly support whatever action has to be taken to promote religious liberty.” That is, Bishop Blaire’s concerns are prudential, not categorical. Such differences do not suggest the fundamentally opposed worldviews of “liberals” or “progressives” against “conservatives.” They are properly and appropriately Catholic, in which there are properly and appropriately differences that are prudential in nature.

For American liberals and conservatives, there is a yawning divide regarding the legitimacy of abortion, gay marriage, and stem-cell research. There is no such divide among the Bishops and, thus, they are not appropriately accorded the same label as political “liberals” and “conservatives.” By describing discussions within the Church in terms of American partisan labels, he threatens to instruct his readers that there is no difference between internal Church discussions and debates in American politics. Dionne portrays a Church whose internal discussions are simply an extension of contemporary political debates.

The labels themselves are inappropriate, particularly that of “progressive Catholic”—a combination that is fundamentally a contradiction in terms, yet a label that Dionne uses again and again to describe his approach to the Catholic faith. The Progressives were theologically millenarian, even Arian, believing that salvation could be achieved through human effort and especially through the twin avenues of science and politics. In the late-nineteenth and early-twentieth century Progressives such as John Dewey, Herbert Croly, and Walter Rauschenbusch were self-described critics of the past and hostile to tradition. John Dewey equated Christianity and democracy, believing that democracy had become the new means of ongoing revelation, and in which the teacher should seek to bring about the kingdom of God—progress advanced in the classroom could accelerate the coming of the millennium on earth.

G.K. Chesterton wrote that “the fatal metaphor of progress, which means leaving things behind us, has utterly obscured the real idea of growth, which means leaving things inside us.” Catholicism is an accumulation of tradition, including a magisterium that does not waver from the fundamental truth as divulged in the teachings and life of Jesus. It is a faith that traces itself back through apostolic succession to its point of origin with Jesus’s commission to his apostles to go forth and spread the Word. It is a faith that is populated by constant remembrance of the cloud of witnesses, the communion of the saints, who are remembered in every Mass during the Eucharistic prayer. While Catholics look forward to the future with hope, they do not invest their hopes in perfection of the City of Man. If Catholics are anything, they are not “progressives,” and to import the political term for the description of Catholics is to collapse the Church into a political program that cannot be reconciled to the Catholic worldview.

If less pernicious, Dionne’s other preferred form of self-description—“Social Justice Catholic”—appears only to endorse the Church’s charitable work on behalf of the poor, with a heavy preference for government’s role in that effort. But is the Church’s efforts on behalf of the dignity of every human life—born or unborn—any less a part of its commitment to social justice? Is not the defense and preservation of the family a central focus of social justice? Should not we understand the Bishop’s opposition to the HHS mandate, and preservation of the Church’s ministry without needless interference by the State, also to be a part of social justice? Dionne seems to define social justice to be activities that conform solely to the platform of the Democratic Party, but, here again, American partisan positions map poorly onto the Church’s rich tradition of Catholic Social Thought. His portrayal of “Social Justice Catholics” as distinct from “conservative Catholics” is a disfigurement of the fullness of Catholic teaching.

Of course, those who too closely equate the Church to the Republican Party (though such individuals rarely seem prone to self-describe as “conservative” Catholics, as far as I can tell) should be similarly called to task. However, Dionne bears a particular responsibility for distortions and confusions, given his status as among the only few distinguishable Catholic voices and spokesman in one of the nation’s mainstream news publications, a position that burdens him with special responsibility to be careful in distinguishing the politics of the City of Man from the positions of the Church.

At his best, Dionne understands and is rightly suspicious of the temptation of American Catholics to define their faith in terms of their political allegiances. He rightly encourages American Catholics to allow their faith to correct the narrow vision imposed by partisan blinders. That best E.J. has not been in evidence of late, and too often he has displayed anything but a “guilty conscience” about his own coloring of the Church’s teachings based on partisan positions. As any Catholic knows, it is difficult to practice what is preached, and a particularly probing self-scrutiny is warranted, doubtless and especially during an election year when the cacophony arising from the City of Man threatens to drown out that clear song that orders us rightly toward the City of God.

Patrick J. Deneen was, until May 30, 2012, the Tsakopoulos-Kounalakis Chair of Hellenic Studies and Associate Professor of Government at Georgetown University. In 2006 he founded the Tocqueville Forum on the Roots of American Democracy. On July 1, 2012, he will begin an appointment as Associate Professor of Political Science at the University of Notre Dame.

RESOURCES


E.J. Dionne, “The Battle Among the Catholic Bishops”

Letter Criticizing Paul Ryan

Bishop Stephen E. Blaire of Stockton on the HHS Suit

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Comments:

6.6.2012 | 11:51am
I think this is a very kind and generous article. Generous because it makes the assumption that EJ Dionne is a wise and well-intentioned author who is actually attempting to offer valuable commentary about how Catholics should relate to our political culture. He just seems to miss the mark but if we point out a couple of his contradictions he will improve. On the other hand, my assumption after reading many of Mr. Dionne's articles has always been that he just is not very smart, or if he is that he assumes that most of his readers are not very smart. I will try to adjust my attitudes to this more charitable set of assumptions, no matter how unlikely they may seem to be.
6.6.2012 | 1:29pm
Well written and explained. Dionne is representative of the weak, untrained, undisciplined character of many Catholics, lacking faith but having every good intention by advocating progressive politics as the "road to salvation." It is reprehensible to see that research data shows that as much as half of the population of Catholics supports politicians who advocate abortion policies and the like when they should vote against them. Families are much more important to the well being of society and instead of regarding children as a burden public policy should be focused on doing everything possible to help families succeed. This is something Catholics really should support instead. The mix of "do-gooder" progressive politics with Catholicism is misguided at best, gives off an odor of sulfer, and surely signals the way down the road to perdition.
6.6.2012 | 2:44pm
@ Slats Grobnik

You are more charitable than I am about Dionne in giving him the benefit of the doubt. Both you and the writer grant him the benefit of the doubt as to being a genuine Catholic. For me the word "apostasy" comes to mind. But the writer has a personal relationship with Dionne while all I have to go by is what I've read written by Dionne. So, I will temper my thoughts with charitable reservations.
6.6.2012 | 4:11pm
Richard says:
I nearly always agree with what E. J. Dionne has to say. And to argue that the direction the bishops are taking the church is neither political nor tracks with the Republican Party is rationalization at its extreme. During the 2004 election flyers at our church on Sunday were placed on our windshields and the theme was an anti-abortion argument that virtually said to vote Republican. They were called "voter guides." After Obama was elected a priest south of me told his congregation that those in attendance that voted for Obama "had the blood of innocent children on their hands." And bishops have indicated they would not give communion to the likes of John Kerry. What happened to the millions that take the same positions on doctrinal issues? There are tons of pro-choice politicians that have spoken at Catholic Universities over the years, including some Republicans that used to be pro-choice like Reagan and Bush pere, but none of them achieved the attention Notre Dame got when Obama spoke at a recent commencement. Most of the time I pretty much keep my opinions to myself when with some of the very right Catholics I pal around with. We get along just fine. But I come here to read the comments to get the flavor of just how extreme and radical the Church has become. Too bad the bishops don't spend as much time on actual pastoral work as they spend on public issues like the health care bill.
6.6.2012 | 5:59pm
@Richard:

It is not the bishops' fault if one party's position on a particular issue happens to track orthodox belief. Although I'm not Catholic, I feel fairly certain that if the parties' positions on abortion were reversed, we'd be hearing this argument in reverse also. Moreover, while not speaking about Kerry specifically, there are certainly arguments to be made that certain politicians should be refused communion.
6.6.2012 | 6:05pm
Apparently the commenting system ate my link; the last part of my comment should be linked to http://www.canonlaw.info/canonlaw915.htm
6.6.2012 | 6:16pm
Gil says:
In 1937 Pope Pius XI published and ordered his encyclical, "Mit brennender Sorge", drafted by who would become Pope Pius XII, to be read from every Catholic pulpit, highly critical of Hitler and Nazi persecution. Many scholars insist that this document was the "first great official public document to dare to confront and criticize Nazism" and "one of the greatest such condemnations ever issued by the Vatican." Yet little is reported on how the Catholic Church was highly criticized in Germany at the time not only by Nazis, but by faithful Catholics who believed Church officials had no business entering the political fray. Then, of course, after the war the Catholic Church was and remains criticized for not being bold enough in its criticisms.

In Seattle, Washington where I reside, our Archbishop openly supports opposition to gay marriage, which is the culminating point of redefining marriage out of existence, which is a direct assault on the nuptial mystery that is essential to understanding and living a Catholic spiritual life. Yet not only many Catholics, but many Catholic priests, including the pastor of St. James Cathedral, has voiced opposition to the Archbishop's stand.

On matters of faith and morals, all bishops must take a stand, and it is not political: it is lending public clarity to what is essential for Catholics to embrace in living a moral and faith-filled life. And because we have an evangelical heart, a directive from Our Lord to go out, our voices must be heard to the ends of the earth. It is the only way to be truly Catholic.

The serious error Dionne is caught up in is subsuming his faith into a political paradigm, which reduces faith to a solely temporal phenomenon. Because this is a common practice in America doesn’t mitigate the seriousness of the error. The danger is obvious: persons of faith can be manipulated out of living their faith, becoming no longer political human creatures, but political animals.
6.6.2012 | 7:01pm
My personal opinion of progressivism and progressives is that their political positions spring from a very old, and very human, error. The underlying assumption of the movement and its members is a flawed understanding of humanity. They assume as their first principle that mankind is now sufficiently more knowledgeable than our predecessors that we no longer make the sorts of "errors" of judgment about what is right and what is wrong that were made by our progenitors (of whatever era may be appropriate to the topic under discussion). We, being so much better informed and enlightened than those progenitors are now able to bring our more sophisticated understandings to bear on all manner of problems facing the polis, the nation, the market, etc., and are now clever/intelligent/smart enough to determine the one best solution to any problem. F. A. Hayek defined this process as "the progressive fallacy."

And it is a fallacy. It ignores several problems:

• First, it incorrectly assumes that there is one best solution to almost any problem, when in fact the solution which works for me may not work for you, and the one that works for you may not work for our mutual neighbor, etc., etc. ad infinitum.

• Second, it incorrectly assumes, even if a particular solution set might work for everyone at some particular moment in time, that the latency between gathering, collating, sorting and analyzing the necessary data will not introduce the problem of latency. Stated another way, by the time the "experts" have the data in a form usable to drive a particular solution, the circumstances of enough ot the population are likely to have changed such that the answer is stale by the time it is determined.

• Third, and perhaps the greatest error, is that it assumes that we have advanced in virtue to the point that we humans (or at least the progressives among us) are now intelligent, virtuous and knowledgeable enough that we can accurately design a viable solution, that we no longer require God's revelation to understand what is right and what wrong, what solutions are virtuous and what sinful. If I recall correctly, this is a problem that has been with us since the Garden, when the serpent assiduously suggested to Eve that the reason God wished us not to eat of the Tree of Knowledge of Good and Evil because were we to do so, we would no longer need Him to show us what was good and what evil, we would be able to make those determinations ourselves.

I would humbly submit that the major flaw in progressivism is its insistence on man's sufficiency to design perfect solutions to social ills, and its intransigent refusal to acknowledge that we are dependent upon God for the answers to those questions. Progressivism is neither more nor less than a reprise of the Fall in modern attire.

Pax et bonum,
Keith Töpfer
6.6.2012 | 8:44pm
A.M . says:
The children in Fatima were taught a simple prayer - 'My God, I believe , I adore , I trust and I love Thee and beg pardon for those who do not believe , do not adore , do not trust and do not love Thee...on account of the infinte merits of the Immaculate Heart of Mary and most Sacred Heart of Jesus , I beg of Thee , the conversion of poor sinners .'

In our own times the devotion to Divine Mercy , with the simple motto - 'Jeus , I trust in Thee ' is there .

Would it not be that those who see themselves as ' progressive 'are telling the rest that man is progressed when he arrives at his fallen , animal nature or worse ; after all, our first parents did choose to trust an animal and not The Father !

Thus , The Church tell us , with trusting love , that our Lord has garnered for us, the strengt and the grace , to be what we have been created to be , participating in the holy , divine nature - for all that can come with it , including the grace to call on the Holy Spirit , on behalf of others too .

May there be many among uswho do so !
6.6.2012 | 9:07pm
Don Roberto says:
What they (Gil and Martial) said! If only liberal Catholics would seriously consider your excellent points.

So-called progressive Catholics remind me of St. Peter when he told Jesus that He would surely not have to die on the cross. Today a like-minded (well-intentioned) disciple might ask: Surely the person with queer appetites cannot be asked to remain celibate? Surely the woman with the cruel husband should be granted a divorce? Surely the Yale-bound lovely should not have her studies interrupted by a baby?

6.7.2012 | 12:07pm
Clement_W says:
Over the past few years, I have been thinking about the seemingly never-ending arguments for or against evolution by Scientists and Christians. About a year ago, believe it or not, it was an article by E. J. Dionne which led me to think about the species of Homo sapiens to which we claim to belong. The varying degrees of the 'sapiens' among us, especially the ones who write opinion columns, indicates that our evolution has not been uniform. This goes to explain some, perhaps all, of the Christian denominations interpretations of the Word of God, the Sword of the Spirit, which is used to sow dissent and conflict instead of being used to cut through the weeds which have been allowed to flourish.

Conclusion: We are not yet evolved into Homo sapiens - Homo presapiens may be more honest - but the Gift of Humility from the Holy Spirit is necessary for that.
6.7.2012 | 2:56pm
The main reason these types of arguments exist is because of the prioritization of the abortion question (above all else) by the magesterium of the Church. By doing that and then preaching to the faithful that it is a sin to vote for a pro-choice politician, some bishops have essentially aligned themselves with the party that is pro-life. I believe the crime of abortion is horrible and systemic in our country, but so are the crimes of poverty, capital punishment, hunger, and homelessness. They may not be equally horrible, and I know the Church is working to address all of these issues at once, but often the media and certain powerful bishops do little to inform the laity or general public of that.

As a Catholic who believes in reform from within, these are extremely challenging times. In the U.S. we are fortunate to be sufficiently free to practice our religion that we can consider the HHS mandate a serious affront to religious freedom. At the same time, our brothers and sisters in faith around the world are being slaughtered or jailed simply for professing the name of Jesus. I hope we can keep things in perspective and stop hurting our cause by comparing President Obama to Hitler, for example. One can stand up for something without resorting to such inaccurate vitriol.

Similarly, those who are strictly aligned with certain bishops should be free to disagree with laity who are not aligned, but realize that neither group is anathema. It seems there is no more room for discussion within the Church; according to some, there are those who grasp firmly to every single teaching of the Church and those who are heretics. Great progress HAS been made within the Church in regards to the factual reality of the solar system, the morality of slavery, and the primacy of the papacy due to vigorous debate between faithful individuals.

Remember: do unto others as you would have them do unto you. Not everyone who disagrees with you is your enemy (and even if that person is your enemy, Jesus teaches that we should love that person).
6.7.2012 | 5:00pm
Mr. Deneen, your friend E. J. Dionne leaves himself open to some criticism, but you are wrong to dredge up an archaic and no longer relevant definition of the word "progressive" in your effort to discredit him. I am a progressive Catholic, and I am certainly not an Arian. Where Dionne has gone wrong is in equating a political viewpoint with a religious one. There are many issues on which a person can be liberal or conservative, and many people, myself included, find themselves on opposite sides of the line on different issues. Economically I'm liberal, for example. But I am opposed to abortion. I also consider abortion to be a moral issue, on which we should take our guidance from our religious leaders rather than our political leaders. It should not be a part of the Democratic platform.

You speak of a 'yawning divide" between liberals and conservatives on certain issues, all of which are moral issues. Would that we voters had the luxury of choosing representatives who agreed with ALL the issues we hold sacred. Instead we have to choose those with whom we agree on most issues, or on issues of overriding importance.

The real "yawning divide" is between Catholic laypersons and the Church hierarchy, with some priests on one or the other side. How can bishops, cardinals and the pope find fault with nuns, who have dedicated their lives to teaching and caring for the sick, the poor and the elderly, when they look the other way and ignore the sexual improprieties of the clergy? A "magisterium that does not waver"? True, in matters of dogma. But they have lost sight of the simple matter of following in the footsteps of Jesus Christ. (Simple to understand, not necessarily to follow.)

Am I a "Social Justice Catholic"? I suppose so, but I would favor social justice even if I were not a Democrat, and I would be a Democrat even if I were not a Catholic.

Finally, some comments in response to what your other readers have written:

Gil wrote about the Seattle Archbishop's opposition to gay marriage. The Archbishop is right to do so, as that is the official position of the Church. I consider myself, as the father of a gay man, better informed than average on gay issues. Here in Colorado, our State Legislature considered a bill to authorize gay civil unions. Unfortunately it failed, but no doubt it will come up again. I am, however, opposed to gay marriage, as is my son. We agree with the prevailing conservative definition of marriage, but we support providing certain rights to gay couples, similar to what married people have. Furthermore, priests or other ministers should not be required to perform gay ceremonies. That can be done in civil settings.

And Martial Artist Keith Topfer's greatest error is in reading Hayek, which is enough to mess up anyone's mind. I know a lot of progressive people, some of whom are Catholic, and none of them fit your descriptions.
6.7.2012 | 9:40pm
Michael says:
I'm a catholic and I see EJ on msnbc all the time. I also a pro-life democrat. I wonder if EJ knows that feti are living homo sapiens. Being pro-life is a liberal position. Abortion discriminates against human beings based on age, gender, disability and even on race. Sure women probably don't get abortions based on gender that often and I doubt many women have sex with a minority and then get an abortion because they don't want a mixed child. Whether that be because they are somewhat racist themselves or their family would not accept a minority child. But Murphy's law states that anything that can go wrong will go wrong. When you are pro-life you are supporting civil rights not opposing them.
6.7.2012 | 11:14pm
Thank you, Mr. Deneen, for a well-written and well-reasoned article. I recently re-read G.K. Chesterton's "Orhodoxy"; I found it replete with the solutions to many of the mis-characterizations made by Dionne and other "progressives".

As to the point made by one of the posters, there is no such thing as a "progressive Catholic". You either are Catholic, whole and complete, or you should refrain from identifying yourself as such. And this really should apply to politicians. Catholicism involves questions of truth and, the opposite, heresy. Politics, as correctly defined by Mr. Deneen, may involve conservatives and progressives (as well as moderates), but only according to political (temporal) aspirations and solutions. Best to leave the moral questions to the unquestioned authority of the Church.......which refuses to negotiate on TRUTH.
6.8.2012 | 4:45pm
Edwin says:
I agree that many commentators such as Mr. Dionne are too quick to interpret everything Catholic bishops do in partisan terms.

At the same time, the version of Catholic social teaching generally advocated for in _First Things_ maps extremely well onto the partisan map of contemporary America. When the bishops condemn Obama's contraception policy and Ryan's budget, they are clearly not being partisan. But Mr. Deneen seems to want them to do the former and not the latter--in short, to be more and not less partisan.
6.9.2012 | 10:39am
Dionne is spot on with his commentary given the nature of politics and the media in today's society. Interpreting the Bible has been, and will always be, a "temporal matter" in that men, with their ideological underpinnings at their disposal, will interpret the Good Book in a matter that religious values will manifest itself into political ideology and social policy. That is, if a person is religious, he/she will hold political views predicated on those beliefs and values. Based on those political leanings and religious doctrine, the laws that govern a society are created. Today's pundits

"You either are Catholic, whole and complete, or you should refrain from identifying yourself as such." And your position is EXACTLY why Catholicism today is undergoing a paradigm shift. No longer are the Dark Ages upon us in which the RCC was the sole political and religious institution in which a majority of people had to follow exactly its own interpretations on spiritual matters. As nation-states developed, and leaders crafted laws which separated the religious from the political, groups debated and fought over that very definition of what is meant to be "Catholic". The Bible itself is replete with contradictions and discrepancies. Ever try living EXACTLY as the Bible says one should live? I would argue everyone who is Catholic has violated its tenets in some way, shape, or form as it was originally intended.

"Of course, those who too closely equate the Church to the Republican Party (though such individuals rarely seem prone to self-describe as “conservative” Catholics, as far as I can tell) should be similarly called to task."

And note how the author deftly steers away from chastising his own brethren. Fox News comes to mind with their commentators who are well-known for champion their cause as "Conservative Catholics". "Individuals rarely seem prone..." I think NOT.

"However, Dionne bears a particular responsibility for distortions and confusions, given his status as among the only few distinguishable Catholic voices and spokesman in one of the nation’s mainstream news publications, a position that burdens him with special responsibility to be careful in distinguishing the politics of the City of Man from the positions of the Church."

The political and religious realm of the RCC has always been contentious, with each aspect playing off one another. To say one can separate the two parts is being delusional. Traditional Catholics state that abortion is a sin and want political assurances that this practice is illegal in the society in which they live. Humans by their very nature are political animals who seek to dominate their surroundings through laws and policies. Influenced by a particular faith, they seek to embed those values into the foundations of our society. In particular, the RCC has called for its members to NOT vote for politicians who support abortion. A Catholic living in our society has to determine whether that issue ought to be of primary importance, or whether it is one of many things he/she must consider when making a political decision as a member of a faith. Indeed, politics and religion are intertwined today compared to any point in our world's history.
6.9.2012 | 5:48pm
Mike Petrik says:
Edwin,
The word "seems" does an awful lot of heavy lifting in your post above, since there is nothing in Mr. Deneen's piece that supports your assertion. That said, there is an important distinction between the bishops' views on Ryan's budget proposals versus their views on the Administration's contraception mandate. The latter strikes at the heart of a rather precise Catholic teaching; the former is a matter of prudence grounded mostly in one's evaluation of comparative consequences, which is a function of prediction. The Bishops are not accorded special predictive powers, and while I do not suggest that it is inappropriate for them to express their prudential assessment of policy options, they should do so with caution given their lack of any special charism in such matters. One cannot honestly compare the two.
6.12.2012 | 12:00am
Charles says:
Progressives were content with the quiet, liturgically and doctrinally-confused Catholic priest of the 20-30 years after Vatican II. Now that we have our bearings straight (if you know what I mean) and our doctrine reconciled to Tradition, the progressives are running scared like swine into the sea.
6.12.2012 | 12:04am
Paul says:
I am progressive caught living in a very conservative area.
The big problem here, which gets lost in the noise, is that there is a dividing line between the temporal and the secular. I do not have a problem with the priests in my parish having republican views. They are individuals and have the right to hold whatever view they wish. But their role in the parish is on temproal issues and that view has to be non partisan. The church as a body is apolitical and does not (and should not) take political positons. Politics is left to outside groups.
I have a big problen in that I do not want my children growing up in this manifestaion of the catholic church. The fibre of my being screams to me that what is coming out of my local parishes is just wrong. When I read the word "Obamacare" in my parish bulliten, I know that the secular line has been crossed.

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