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On this episode of the First Things Podcast:

1:34 Poetry, we are told, has gone viral on social media in the wake of Donald Trump’s election. Senior editor Mark Bauerlein and associate editor Julia Yost discuss what role poetry should play in public life, in this time of political tension and attention deficits. Mark offers a historical perspective on the separation of poetry from public and political life, and Julia recommends a poem for the Trump Era.

30:12 Four cardinals have presented five “dubia” to Pope Francis, concerning the apostolic exhortation Amoris Laetitia. Deputy editor Elliot Milco talks with Julia about what this move portends, why schism remains highly unlikely, and why Cardinal Burke inspires so much schadenfreude in Catholic liberals.

46:40 A special Thanksgiving message from the First Things editorial staff, courtesy of assistant editor Alexi Sargeant.

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