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On this episode of the First Things Podcast:

Editor Rusty Reno talks to associate editor Julia Yost about a shift in the terms that govern our political debates. He argues that the primacy once given to “freedom” in American conservatism now is given to “nationalism”—or should be.

Then, literary editor Matthew Schmitz joins Julia to discuss a few recent news items: the curious case of Boston’s re-frocked priest; Mike Pence’s rules for a happy marriage; and the cautionary tale of the professor who practiced “radical inclusion.”

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