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Editor R. R. Reno talks to contributing editor Mark Bauerlein about his article “A Less Perfect Union,” from the January print edition. They discuss the mixed legacy of Lincoln’s actions and rhetoric, the heroism of the Southern military, and the ways in which Davy Crockett and Jack Kerouac embodied America.

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