On this episode of the First Things Podcast, editor Rusty Reno talks with associate editor Julia Yost about the violence in Charlottesville. Rusty observes that racial unrest has changed since the Civil Rights era: The right has cribbed a sociopolitical critique from the left, and the left has learned paramilitary tactics from the right. The replications are ominous.

Then, senior editor Matthew Schmitz talks with Julia about Convertgate, the recent dust-up in which liberal cradle Catholics instructed converts not to criticize the pope. Julia points out the incongruity of this spasm of liberal ultramontanism.

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