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Tuesday, July 6, 2010, 10:35 AM

Clearly, we have too much time on our hands in the office. We put our heads together and came up with a list of what may be the ten worst hymns of all time. Here are the hymns with video links. Take a look and a listen, and let us know what you think!

[Note: The criticism applies only to the hymns themselves and not to the performances in the examples.]

10. “Pescador de los Hombres” (Lord, When You Stood by the Seashore)

According to some sources, this was the favorite hymn of Pope John Paul II.

9. “I Am the Bread of Life,” by Suzanne Toolan

8. “On Eagles’ Wings, ” by Michael Joncas

7. “Pan de Vida, cuerpo del Señor,” by Bob Hurd and Pia Moriarty

6. “Sing a New Song,” by Dan Schutte

5. “We Remember,” by Marty Haugen

4. “Here I Am, Lord,” by Dan Schutte

3. “City of God, ” by Dan Schutte

2. “Gather Us In,” by Marty Haugen

Oddly, “Gather Us In” reminds some of us of a much better secular song, “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald,” by Gordon Lightfoot

1. “Sons of God, Hear His Holy Word,” by James Thiem
Because this onetime favorite has disappeared (mercifully) from most modern hymnals, no video seems to be available. Here are the lyrics.

What hymns would you put on the list?

254 Comments

    Chris
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:49 am

    You forgot the worst of all: “Sing a New Church”. Seriously, how does one “in splendid, varied ways, sing a new church into being” anyway?

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    John Hetman
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:10 am

    Just looking at this list gives one chills of terror and prayers that the Lord will cause us to have head colds at those masses where these ditties are foisted upon us. Add “Sing a New Church” and “All Are Welcome” to this list of elevator music.

    Anne B.
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:12 am

    The one that has me jamming my fingers into my ears at Communion is “Whatsoever You Do…” wherein (as Thomas Day puts it) “the congregation repeatedly and crassly congratulates itself” for its virtue.

    Mike
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:12 am

    “Anthem” by Tom Conry was a staple of the suburban Catholicism of my youth. I’m surprised its copyright hasn’t been purchased by Organizing for America.

    Chris Baker
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:16 am

    Rory Cooney’s “Walk In The Reign” is rather peignful. I wrote a parody of it, “Jesus In Reign Boots,” and was humbled by the original hymn’s power.

    Gregory Alms
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:23 am

    A vocal performance of “Sons of God Hear His Holy Word” is available here:

    http://tasbeha.org/mp3/Songs/English/Shepherd_of_My_Soul.html

    Third from the bottom.

    Jodie
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:30 am

    What about Be Not Afraid???

    Can you do a list of the 10 greatest catholic hymns?

    J.W. Cox
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:31 am

    They’re the worst.

    Except for all the others that are even worse than these.

    Zadok the Roman
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:34 am

    I can’t believe that you left out Marty Haugen’s All are Welcome.

    Arnobius of Sicca
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:36 am

    Seems to me the worst hymns would be:

    1) As a Fire is Made for Burning
    2) Sing a New Church

    Steve
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:38 am

    Can you really say that this is in any way constructive? Arguments about taste are unresolvable. This serves only to add to division by so pointedly singling out the St. Louis Jesuits. This is neither clever nor helpful. It’s schoolyard stuff.

    And, I HATE On Eagle’s Wings.

    Bill Daugherty
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:44 am

    We Are One in the Spirit and Let There Be Peace on Earth are just two more achingly bad ones. I don’t think you can limit this category to just 10, Joe; there are at least a hundred performed throughout the year.

    Bill Daugherty
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:46 am

    I neglected to say earlier: I think it’s overly generous to call any of these hymns; they are campfire songs, most of them, and particularly bad ones at that.

    Miguel
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:54 am

    Worse than all these, I think, is “Ashes,” which is actually heretical. A staple on Ash Wednesday’s in some parishes, it goes: “We rise again from ashes to create ourselves (!!!) anew…”

    Boz
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:54 am

    Can’t believe you forgot “Peace is Flowing Like a River.” Forced to sing this many times in Catholic grade school in the 1980s. Not a song for 5th grade boys. We all dissolved into laughter at the line, “Peace is flowing out of you and me.”

    Joseph
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:58 am

    As a singer, sadly I gotta ask myself: can I in good conscience sing these words? I’m willing, in the spirit of Christian fellowship and personal mortification, to sing horrible music, as long as the lyrics aren’t out-and-out heresy.

    With that in mind, I’m with Chris on “Sing a New Church” – the kindest thing one can say is that it’s incoherent – but not incoherent enough for a faithful Catholic to sing. It crosses the line between the style of modern hymn that is a mere hodge-podge of religiousy-sounding phrases with no overall sense or message to words that, if they mean anything at all, mean something I’m not willing to affirm.

    There are many others that, even with a generous mind, one simply cannot seriously sing before our God and Savior.

    Bob Dobie
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:06 pm

    The problem with these hymns is that they date very badly: they may have been passible in the 60′s or 70′s (though even as a kid in the 70′s, I remembered these hymns as sounding pretty “dorky”), but they sound even more pathetic today – sort of like the aging hippy trying to “get down” with the kids. Really good hymns, like those of Gregorian chant, are timeless. But if one were making a list of the best Catholic hymns, I’d probably put “Holy God We Praise Thy Name,” near the top of the list along with hymns I remember singing in my childhood during Benediction service, “O Saving Victim,” and “Tantum Ergo.” They still send shivers up my spine!

    Matt Hummel
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:22 pm

    Hey folks- leave some room for Protestant atrocities. Herb Brokering and his loud boiling test tubes come to mind or the oeuvre of John Ylvisaker.

    Donal Kinney
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:26 pm

    Sorry to disagree, but about half of these hymns are ones I very much enjoy at Mass, and the videos of these hymns, even with accoustical problems, sounded good to me. “On Eagles’ Wings” is one of my favorites.

    Peter S
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:30 pm

    I rise in defense of “Pescador de Hombres” . . . in Spanish. Its translation into English is another matter.

    Anne B.
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:31 pm

    ”Can you really say that this is in any way constructive?”

    Maybe not, but it’s sure cathartic.

    Jeannine
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:31 pm

    I’m working on a rule that any hymn that contains the contraction “fam’ly” is a bad hymn.

    JDD
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:31 pm

    I’m afraid “Anthem” tops my list. I truly can’t make myself sing the line, “…who was rage against the night.”

    I’m a little torn on the topic – seriously. I think in my college days I would have connected better with this song and others. The question then is was I growing closer to God through these songs – or was I being convinced of my own potential, my own goodness with God along for the ride as sort of a mascot?

    Sally Thomas
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:49 pm

    Re the constructiveness of conversation about poor hymnody:

    a. It’s not just a matter of taste. Hymnody is catechesis, in the way that the great altarpieces once were, and whatever you might think about the sing-y Celtic tune, a hymn which has Jesus asking, “Can you love the ‘you’ inside . . . ” is objectively cruddy catechesis and ought to be called out as such.

    b. Many of these contemporary hymns are, for the average person in the congregation, much more difficult to sing than traditional hymns, because their intervals are weird and their time signatures keep changing. Often the melody changes from verse to verse, or the words don’t line up predictably with the notes, so when you think you’ve figured out how it goes, you haven’t. This is objectively a problem if you want people to sing. (a musician friend of mine notes that it’s a stroke of . . . some kind of genius . . . that the opening interval of “On Eagle’s Wings” is precisely the interval you use when you call, “Yoo-hoo!” And what are the first two words? “You who.” Genius.)

    c. Conversation about these things is not just pointless grousing. Sometimes you need a reality check — it’s not just you who think this, and you’re not just an obsessive crank with too much spare brain space for thinking it.

    In my own experience as a mediocre and nervous singer/cantor, Gregorian chant is far easier to sing than just about anything else. It more or less sings itself, and you can pitch it anywhere you like to suit your vocal range. This is good news for those of us who shouldn’t give up our day jobs to be soloists, but are what our parishes have to work with nonetheless.

    fionnbharr
    July 6th, 2010 | 12:54 pm

    I always cringe when I see a song is written by Dan Schutte or Marty Haugen. Also pretty much any song written by someone namd ‘Bob’ or ‘Dan’ or ‘Jim’ or ‘Steve.’ You’re publishing songs (and in a hymnal no less!) Use your full name!

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    Elizabeth Scalia
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:05 pm

    Do not forget “We Are Called,” by David Haas.

    Everytime I hear “commmme live innnn the liiggght,” I wonder why Styx has not sued for plagiarism; I wish they would. It would keep me from beginning mass wishing that I could fly in with a knife between my teeth and cut every guitar string in the house!

    Ian
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:10 pm

    Eagles wings is a horrible distortion of the original source material. Read more.

    Sean
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:12 pm

    Soooooooooooooooooooo glad I’m Orthodox. :P

    Carol
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:19 pm

    I agree with Steve. Unless the theology is wrong, it’s a matter of preference. Music that inspires and moves one person might be auditory torture to someone else. That’s why my husband and I have our individual iPods.

    Sean
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:20 pm

    I’m finding that all these songs sound pretty good if you play all the files simultaneously. Sounds like early industrial music, or something off the 2001 Space Odyssey soundtrack.

    Trish
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:20 pm

    Thank you, Sally, for explaining the need for such threads as this!

    my entries: “Sing to the Mountains,”

    “Though the Mountains May Fall” (actually any song that mentions mountains!)

    “One Bread, One Body”

    “Come to the Feast”

    “The Spirit is A-Movin’” (shudder!!!!)

    Rick S.
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:27 pm

    The one that has the lyrics:

    We have come to share our stories
    We have come to break the bread

    I refuse to open the hymnal to figure out the name of the song but that is the most naval gazing lyric that I have ever heard and our choir sings it all the time.

    LaCoff
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:31 pm

    In a two month period, we sing at least 8 of these songs. “Sing” being a polite fiction since, as a baritone, I can’t sing any of them. I especially dislike all hymns that are striving to be Broadway Show Tunes or Caribbean dance numbers. I have come to accept some on this list since we often “try” new hymns that are barely music. I’m reminded of what Maestro Muti once said to the audience: you need to be educated about music, not enjoy it.

    Michael A.
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:31 pm

    How about “But Then Comes the Morning,” a way-back hymn sung at many a Newman Center in the 1970s. “…robots have taken his job, confined to a home for the aged, forgive, Lord, forgive, it was night when we did what we did. But then comes the Morning….[!!!]

    Jeanne Grunert
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:31 pm

    Hey! Does it mean I have no taste if “I am the bread of life” is my all time favorite hymn?

    What didn’t make the list –
    “Unless a Grain of Wheat Should Fall” – my least favorite

    Miguel
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:32 pm

    While not a hymn, I vote for “Somewhere Over the Rainbow.” I recently attended a mass where the celebrant called up a Protestant pastor who commenced to sing this song while playing a ukelale! Ugh!

    Paul Snatchko
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:34 pm

    I have to disagree. I like a lot of the hymns you have mentioned above.

    As someone who grew up in the late ’80s and early ’90s, these hymns were part of my Church experience — which I think of very fondly. They were part of my youth and campus ministry days.

    BTW, “City of God” was the recessional hymn of the Papal Mass in Central Park in October, 1995. It is forever tied to my memories of that wonderful morning and Pope John Paul II.

    Rob Skrobola
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:40 pm

    A couple of the commentators have missed that there are lyrics in some of these songs that are just flat out heretical:

    “Not in the dark of buildings confining, Not in some heaven light-years away”.

    That’s just heresy. It’s not taste, it’s error.

    Rob

    Cathy
    July 6th, 2010 | 1:41 pm

    Consider this another vote for “Sing a New Church”. This is one of two songs I outright refuse to sing at Mass, the other being “Lord of the Dance”.

    I don’t want to “sing a new church into being”. I like the old one pretty darn well!

    Keljeck
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:03 pm

    I don’t know if it qualifies as a hymn, but at my church’s contemporary service we will occasionally sing “Heart of Worship.” It puzzles me how that song became a praise chorus since it’s about a CCM singer apologizing to God for making the music about him.

    I doubt this is a situation many congregants find themselves in.

    Tommy
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:10 pm

    “Name unnamed, hidden and shown, knowing and known, Gloria!”

    This refrain by Brian Wren is the recurrent theme of perhaps the worst hymn lyric ever conceived. I recently heard it at Atlanta’s Christ the King Cathedral.

    Here’s the whole thing for those inclined toward self-flagellation.

    Name unnamed, hidden and shown, knowing and known, Gloria!

    Beautifully moving, ceaselessly forming,
    growing, emerging with awesome delight,
    Maker of Rainbows, glowing with color,
    arching in wonder,
    energy flowing in darkness and light:

    Name unnamed…

    Spinner of chaos, pulling and twisting,
    freeing the fibers of pattern and form,
    Weaver of Stories, famed or unspoken,
    tangled or broken,
    shaping a tapestry vivid and warm:

    Name unnamed…

    Nudging Discomfort, prodding and shaking,
    waking our lives to creative unease,
    Straight-talking Lover, checking and humbling
    jargon and grumbling,
    speaking the truth that refreshes and frees:
    (was that last line written for us?)

    Name unnamed…

    Midwife of Changes, skillfully guiding,
    drawing us out through the shock of the new,
    Woman of Wisdom, deeply perceiving,
    never deceiving,
    freeing and leading in all that we do:

    Name unnamed…

    Daredevil Gambler, risking and loving,
    giving us freedom to shatter your dreams,
    Lifegiving Loser, wounded and weeping,
    dancing and leaping,
    sharing the caring that heals and redeems.

    Name unnamed, hidden and shown, knowing and known, Gloria!

    (Words: Brian Wren, 1936-, Copyright 1989 Hope Publishing Co.; Music: W. Frederick Wooden, 1953- , Copyright 1992 Unitarian Universalist Association; from “Singing the Living Tradition,” Beacon Press:Boston, 1993, #31.)

    Francis Beckwith
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:11 pm

    What, no Jack Hayford?

    Diane
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:13 pm

    I dislike most of them, but especially “Sing a New Church,” and particularly when in the same Mass the priest urges those individuals seeking confirmation to make promises as “WE” rather than “I” and when the song is followed by the congregation applauding their own performance of it.

    Bob G
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:13 pm

    Marty Haugen, Dan Schutte, David Haas and all the rest should have been taken out and shot as soon as they raised their heads. That would have saved countless millions untold agony. In our church they play this garbage compulsively. It’s enough to make one an atheist.

    I may be showing my own corruption, but I can live with “This Is the Bread of Life.” But I guess I shouldn’t give them an opening.

    Michael
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:15 pm

    What about “All That We Have”?

    “All that we have, and all that we offer, comes from a heart both frightened and free?” What does that mean, exactly?

    The parish I grew up in (on a military base) sang these songs so exclusively that we were just handed the same printed song sheets week after week.

    Bob G
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:16 pm

    Correction: I can live with “I Am the Bread of Life.” I believe there is another more obnoxious tune “This Is the Bread of Life.”

    Joseph
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:18 pm

    I agree with several comments above: the most important issues should be – can I sing these words in the presence of God and His Church?

    Because however musically lame many of these songs are (and I’m a musician and former choir director, I can appreciate the difference between bad and good music), they will have become part of somebody’s life through no fault of their own, and, provided they are not out-and-out heretical, they can be tolerated, in the same way that a valid Mass in an ugly church celebrated by a wannabe talk-show host is still something to be grateful for.

    Personally? My mom, may she rest in peace, LOVED Eagles Wings. I Am the Bread of Life (especially in its pre-politcally-corrected version) is OK, if difficult for most people to sing – I wouldn’t schedule it, but I’ll jump right in and sing it. The ‘artists’ formerly known as the St. Louis Jesuits are uniformly maudlin, insipid and hard to sing – but often, not expressly heretical – so, I’ll grit my teeth and sing along to the congregation’s idiosyncratic interpretation (nobody sings the music as written, because it’s perversely unsingable!). And so on.

    The real perversity, the one that killed my enthusiasm choir directing, is the almost universal (excluding Newman Centers and their spawn, which tend to exist in their own space-time continuum) fact that a good old solid hymn, with a catchy, consistent tune will ALWAYS get sung louder and more enthusiastically than any of these musically and textually random wannabe folk/pop/rock tunes. Yet Sister Peter Paul & Mary can’t let it go! We MUST sing these, even if, based on all the evidence available to the senses, the people don’t sing them much or well.

    If we really cared about active participation, we’d sing Holy God, We Praise Thy Name and the like. Sigh.

    Suzanne
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:23 pm

    At our ultra-liberal parish, we sing these songs regularly; we are ESPECIALLY good at anything that mentions ourselves, which runs the gamut between navel-gazing and patting ourselves on the back. On any given Sunday, perusing the “worship aid” (aka songsheet) will reveal the words “I” or “we” or “me” 100 more times than “God” or “Jesus” or “praise”. However, the worst is at our “Youth Mass” when the youth choir, during communion, sings the (secular) “just a slob like one of us” or “Lean On Me”…and no, I’m NOT kidding.
    As to the parish having to ‘put up’ with cantors: in our parish, it’s all about performance and you are ‘fired’ if you don’t match up! So much for the service aspect…?
    I could go on and on….sigh.

    shana
    July 6th, 2010 | 2:28 pm

    My family passionately hates:

    We are a Pilgrim People (“Look for the union label when you are buying that coat, dress or blouse!”)

    We are Companions on the Journey (Please, if the choir breaks out with this at Mass again, poke out my eardrums with a pointy stick!)

    Change our Hearts (“Change our hearts this time, because Lord, last time it didn’t stick”)

    Up from the Water! (It is so chirpy, repetative and gaggy “Up from the Water God has claimed you! Up from the water Child of Light!” Our music minister plays this every baptism and for weeks after Easter.)

    Our music minister, God help us, found this hideous tune that begins with the very solemn and beautiful “Ave Maria” sung by the women, and then cuts in with “I believe that for every drop of rain that falls, a flower grows!” sung by the men, accumulating with both songs being sung simultaneously. Oh, the agony of THAT sung right after Confirmations! UGH! It doesn’t help that our music guy advertises the choir by telling the congregation to please join, you don’t have to know how to sing or read music….so you can just imagine the agony we have to face.

    There are more. Thankfully, we can’t remember any more of them.

    Thank the mercy of God that our pastor now has two music-less Masses on Sunday….

    R.C.
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:01 pm

    I agree with the list.

    Especially all the Schutte and Haugen contributions. Those two fellows probably meant no harm, so I suppose they themselves need not be shot.

    But the songs themselves should be erased from memory, and replaced in every hymnal with new, good songs of the same name (if there isn’t an old, good hymn of the same name), so that their very titles no longer cause one to recall their treacly saccharine vomitousness.

    In addition to the erasure of these horrifying ten, I would add this: Do not forbid the use of contemporary praise-and-worship tunes, but forbid their use in any parish where the parish musicians can’t play and sing them as well as they are done by the original artists.

    You see, the problem with these is that one hears them on the Christian radio stations; one knows how they’re supposed to sound. And evangelical megachurches, whatever their other failings, have enough people to draw from that they can find within their community sufficiently skillful musicians to play these songs well. (Plus, they have the budgets to pay said musicians $100-$300 a Sunday, which goes a long way to keeping these skilled musicians.)

    But at Catholic parishes, this is sadly not the case. The guitar-playing dissenter nun, the fourteen year old who just picked up bass, and the electronic drum kit where the sound of the sticks clicking against the plastic pads is louder than the amplified drum sounds themselves, just doesn’t cut it.

    MacBeth
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:02 pm

    That dreadful, saccharine “Gentle Woman” (what congregation can count that rhythm?) and the new verse in the old “Faith of our Fathers”: “Our mothers, too, oppressed and wronged…” Meh.

    J.W. Cox
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:04 pm

    Joseph’s comment at 2:28 prompted another thought in me. I’m in a parish that, based on my limited experience, seems to be a typical American post-Vatican II parish, so this kind of praise song — often done with a choir and a massive organ but once a month with the Four Guitars– is a staple.

    I agree with Joseph that the older, well-known hymns typically are song with more enthusiasm, not to mention breath.

    But one thing I find striking is how often there seems to be so little enthusiasm for these praise songs. People ‘sing’ very quietly, hardly moving their lips or their lungs; many men don’t even bother singing at all, from what I can see.

    Most of the time, the lack of volume is cloaked by electronically amplified organ/choir or Four Guitars.

    But it’s just…depressing.

    dnb
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:12 pm

    Worst ever: Kumbaya! And I hate it when the ‘Our Father’ is sung. The one prayer everyone knows, the half the congregation refuses to sing it (including me).

    Sky
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:24 pm

    “Give Me the Bible” (or any hymn written to the Bible, really).

    Sabine S
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:35 pm

    What do you all think of singing “I can only imagine” as the Eucharistic hymn??? I can only find myself thinking do these people, none of them, believe Jesus is truly present? Here they are singing about what it will be like to finally meet Him when He is right there! Ugh!

    Ed Mechmann
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:42 pm

    There’s always “I Myself and the Bread of Life”, which hits the daily double — heretical and musically wretched, all in one package.

    Ransom
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:44 pm

    I don’t think these are “hymns”. The dictionary calls them “songs of praise to God”. Most of these praise something else–not sure what. I never sing any song that begins with the word “we”. Just for fun some Sunday, look in the listing in the back of the book (not to be called “hymnal”) and count how many songs are about “we”.
    At a mass in our area, the cantor calls the processional and recessional hymns “entrance and exit tunes”. Accurate.

    RAM
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:47 pm

    What about the Top Ten Best Hymns? Let’s be positive. What’s everyone’s favorite?

    As much as everyone can’t stand these hymns, at least these folks tried. We seem to have a dearth of decent artists.

    Helen Russo
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:48 pm

    I can agree with the list, though I have heard renditions that are much better than those above. I couldn’t listen to all of them all the way through…it was too painful. Sadly, if a hymn is heretical than no matter how good it sounds, it ought not be in the hymn book.

    I vote for “We can Build a Beautiful City, Yes We Can”. Ugh. As part of our Catholic High School Choir I was force to sing this over and over.Considering there is 2000 years or so of music I feel cheated…

    Jack Perry
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:48 pm

    About constructive criticism: if having this list on as prominent a weblog as First Thoughts means that at least a few music ministers somewhere happen upon it and sees what strong revulsion they raise in many of us, and so never inflict them upon us again… that alone would be sufficiently constructive for me.

    Sherry
    July 6th, 2010 | 3:59 pm

    Whatever the song is that goes “Leaping the Mountains….Bounding the hills….see how our God has come to Greet us…”

    and Let us Build a City of God is absolutely awful.

    roc scssrs
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:01 pm

    Mark Steyn said it best, speaking of Pete Seeger: “The invention of the faux-childlike faux-folk song was one of the greatest forces in the infantilization of American culture.” I won’t say folky hymns can’t be affecting, but a steady diet of them is, indeed, infantilizing Catholic worship.

    Bibbit
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:03 pm

    I am shocked that nobody mentioned “We are the Light of the World”! Shocked! I hate, hate, hate that song.

    Andrew
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:26 pm

    Bringing back a rush of audible memory. Another reminder of why I decided to attend Latin Mass.

    Don’t forget The King of Glory – requires fortissimo tambourine for full impact.

    Chester
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:29 pm

    As bad as the lyrics are, I would say that the chord structure of these hymns is far more deleterious. There is an inherent effeminacy to this tripe that repels young men and boys from the sanctuary and into the garage, wherein to concuss their souls with something more masculine.

    Plato knew the dangers of emasculating schlock:

    http://www.pianonoise.com/Article.Plato.htm

    Anne
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:31 pm

    The ABSOLUTE WORST is LORD OF THE DANCE…the writer admits he was inspired by both Jesus and Shiva and is surprised it has become a hymn used in church.

    Will O'Hara
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:46 pm

    In regards to all the hate for “Sing a New Church”: I recommend looking up that tune with the lyrics much longer associated with it, “Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing.” Nomen est omen in regards to both of these settings. I’m not sure the Protestant theology of Come Thou Fount could be entirely reconciled in a Catholic context (being “prone to wander”, etc) but I defy you to find me any Christian not more moved by the older version than the claptrap of Sing a New Church.

    The combined BYU choirs perform an absolutely stunning setting of Come Thou Fount, I would be much obliged if someone could find it.

    Kathleen Miller
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:52 pm

    Add my votes for “Sing a New Church,” “Anthem,” and “Ashes.” Heresy is worse than schlock.

    As for the rest, I wish I were more skilled at ignoring lyrics: “Come dance in the forest [oops, another root!], come play in the fields [erk! what is that sticky stuff I stepped in?]”
    . . . and “Lay with your face up in the rain [oh, my: in church?]“

    Patricia
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:57 pm

    I second that these are not hymns, just really dreadful SONGS. How about “Sing to the Mountains” … sing to the mountains, sing to the sea, raise your voices, lift your hearts …. blah blah blah …

    bt
    July 6th, 2010 | 4:58 pm

    They cannot be the 10 worst of all time as the list fails to contain River of Glory.

    Also, Pescador de los Hombres is a good song!

    Christopher Wright
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:05 pm

    I nominate “Let us break bread together on our knees” for its disrespect and apparent heresy, and “When I needed a neighbour where you there, were you there? When the creed and the colour and the name don’t matter, where you there?” for its inability to handle the English tense system, and both for their dowdy music.

    Mary
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:11 pm

    Amazing Grace…..

    Thomas S
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:16 pm

    I just listened to all ten in their entirety, and when I finished an Angel appeared and said no Purgatory for me! Jackpot!

    I have a question though. For a Church that has existed for 2000 years, why does a typical parish utilize music almost exclusively from the past 50?

    I mean, that would be as silly as after centuries of continuity throwing out the Mass and manufacturing a new one…

    …oh, damn.

    corita stull
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:18 pm

    I agree that these are not really hymns.

    Also, as another previous poster said they are a sweet part of my growing-up memories. I do not prefer them now; I would rather hear other, more traditional and easily joined melodies sung at Mass, but I do like singing those St. Louis Jesuits songs around the house, and “Peace is Flowing”, which I find very maudlin, is a bedtime favorite, as it is sleep-inducing as well.

    Luce
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:26 pm

    Just posting to add my voice to those who are rightly pointing out that many of the songs American Catholics are singing during mass these days are un-Catholic, and in some cases heretical. The songs we sing should bolster catechism, not undo it.

    To that end, if anyone reading this is from St. Benedict, please please please stop with the Contemporary Christian Music (Protestant all). I admire Twila Paris, Steven Curtis Chapman, Matt Redman, etc etc but when they write about “bread of life” they mean, literally, BREAD, not the body, blood, soul, and divinity of our Lord.

    I admit that I pray daily for the Lord to see fit to send our wonderful little parish a Catholic music minister so our current Protestant one can focus her CCM energies at her bible church.

    Elaine A.
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:37 pm

    I agree with Anne. “Lord of the Dance” has to be the worst. What on earth does it mean? Why are we singing it in church? Our new organist has not tried it yet. Perhaps he hates it too. (Fingers crossed)

    David
    July 6th, 2010 | 5:53 pm

    *Sigh*

    Trite and pathetic as some of these songs may be, nonetheless they were part of the music that brought me back to the Church two decades ago. Most of the traditional hymns from my younger days failed to move me, and to discover a parish that celebrated the Mass with music that lifted my heart ended up saving my soul and changing my life. Everything I am and everything I have — my faith, my wife, my children, even my career — are a direct result of that morning in 1992 when I wandered into Mass at Holy Cross in Atlanta. The contemporary music drew me in, and the Holy Spirit used that to renew my faith.

    I eventually joined the music ministry and many years later at a different parish led the 9am mass each week from the piano, where the congregation of 700 “sang like Baptists” as our pastor would say. And not a Catholic-lite Mass, but one of tradition and faith and respect, with the Eucharist at the center. No alternative translations, no liturgical dance, no clowns, just a faithful priest and faithful congregation.

    I’ve been conservative most of my life. As I’ve matured in my faith I have found inspiration in the traditional hymns as well. But I will be eternally grateful for the songs of the so-called “Saint Louis Jesuits” for leading me back to my faith.

    The heresy points are well-taken; not long after I joined my first choir I was taken aback that we were to sing “From a Distance,” with the lyric “God is watching us from a distance.” So I definitely agree that we must be careful about content when choosing our hymns.

    Nonetheless, sometimes it’s just a failure of the music director, not the music itself. My family is now members of a very traditional parish, complete with a beautiful organ and traditional choir. (Due to family obligations I don’t currently participate in the music ministry.) Our previous music director knew how to direct his organist/pianist and choir in such a way that the congregation joined in willingly and enthusiastically, regardless of whether it was “Faith of Our Fathers”, a mass part in chant, or “We Are Called” (sorry, Anchoress!). The new director sticks nearly exclusively to the traditional hymns, but somehow doesn’t know how to inspire the congregation to participate, and so they mumble along, for nearly every song. I know they want to sing, they like to sing, for I’ve heard them belt out certain songs, such as “America the Beautiful” last weekend.

    Lastly, I have to say I’m really disturbed by the harshness of the comments here. I’m not surprised that in matters of taste strong opinions are certain to be found. But even putting aside the awful “taken out and shot” comment from Bob G., there’s a certain nastiness here that I don’t get. Perhaps it’s because there’s an assumption that these songs are part and parcel of a concerted effort by those with the larger agenda to dilute our faith. Fair enough. But keep in mind that there are some of us who are just as faithful to the Church as you are, who submit to her teachings without question, who seek to love and honor her, and who also find many of these songs proper accompaniment to the most holy Mass.

    Peony Moss
    July 6th, 2010 | 6:08 pm

    I can live with “I am the Bread of Life” (if sung by a solo male cantor with the original lyrics, as opposed to the “inclusive” lyrics.) Give its place to “Lord of the Dance.”

    Bob G
    July 6th, 2010 | 6:11 pm

    There were many excellent comments in this unusual thread. Here’s one more.

    Most of the hymns under attack here are characterized by an extreme naturalism: they constantly invite us to “dance in the forest” or “play in the fields,” and they constantly invoke God as the Lord of wind and rain, or of the plains and sea. But who cares about any of that? 800 years ago it would have meant something. Today, we are almost as much “lords” of nature as God is. The real meaning of our faith today is spiritual and moral. But these hymns have trouble with that. They are all sacharine sentimentality.

    The main perp of all this is that missal publishing outfit in Oregon. They have been spreading the garbage across the landscape at a prodigious pace. Maybe North Korea can aim its next missile there and save Western civilization–or at least the Church.

    Ephrem
    July 6th, 2010 | 6:50 pm

    Perhaps the question should be whether these are the worst of our time. Each era has its own worst hymns. Arius and others have used hymns to catechize heresy–it’s a perennial issue.

    I would agree with those who would like our hymns to have more vigor. Where is our Wesley? Where is our Faber?

    Liam
    July 6th, 2010 | 6:54 pm

    I think the order is disordered: one must consider not only the tunes but the texts, and the texts of a few of them are texts that closely follow the psalms; by definition, that puts them above non-scriptural texts that are set to crappy music, which is a huge universe.

    In alpha order, limiting myself to hymns that have been rather popular with American Catholics in the past century (it’s too easy to pick bad unpopular hymns):

    Anthem
    Ashes
    Bring Flowers of the Fairest/Rarest (a Magnificat is a much finer musical offering for this purpose, please!)
    How Great Thou Art
    Let There Be Peace On Earth
    Mother Rat (aka Mother At Your Feet Is Kneeling
    O Holy Night (saccharine English paraphrase only; the French is glorious)
    Silent Night (charming in the original Austrian folk guitar setting; bathos in most modern renditions)
    Song of The Body of Christ

    and P&W choruses generally (at least for Catholics).

    Piper
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:06 pm

    Pelagius would be so proud!

    Feeney
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:12 pm

    I sing baritone in our Catholic Church choir, and I enjoy singing most of the songs on your list. What is your objection to these songs? Are you simply “an effete corps of impudent snobs”?

    Rachelle
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:15 pm

    That is the year’s liturgy in my parish. I can count on two in the list as for sure choices for each Sunday in the year, Holy Week and Easter being exceptions.

    If I allow myself to hate them, I won’t be going to Mass.

    Joseph S.
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:25 pm

    “My Peace”
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ls01XGV7oA0

    While I’m subjected to most of your top 10 frequently, my parish has taken to playing this song during the exchange of the Sign of Peace AT EVERY MASS. On the bright side I hope this weekly mortification will somewhat lessen my time in Purgatory…

    Jen
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:29 pm

    Here are two songs that are like nails on a chalkboard:

    1. “Let there be peace on earth” ; and
    2. “Go out and make a difference”…usually ended with a spang-ly piano flourish.

    I ache to hear and sing “Godhead Here in Hiding” as a post-Communion.

    The Ten Worst Hymns? « Mary’s Anawim
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:30 pm

    [...] way participate in the singing of same.Over at First Thoughts, Joe Carter has listed his choices of The Ten Worst Hymns of All Time. For good measure, he includes music files, and you will easily discern why I completely concur [...]

    Kathy from Kansas
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:45 pm

    Chester has it right that the unsingability and sentimentality of these songs repels the men and boys. I look around at church and the pastor and male choir members are the only males singing.

    Another problem is the outright heresy in some of these songs. In “Gather Us In,” the last verse just plain SNEERS at heaven: “not in some heaven light-years away”–I appreciate what they’re saying, that the kingdom of heaven is HERE, as Jesus told us, but must we, in embracing that truth, simultaneously embrace a falsehood–namely, that our ultimate heavenly home doesn’t matter, or worse, doesn’t even exist? The vast majority of humanity, for the vast majority of history, has derived great comfort from the reality of our heavenly destiny. People who sneer at it are people who are very spoiled denizens of prosperous, western industrialized countries!

    Helen Russo
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:47 pm

    David, while I understand your concern about the harshness, I got the feeling that it was more about letting off steam in a safe setting than outright meanness. I may be wrong. It is always good to write with the thought in mind that the electronic word can be taken wrongly without the verbal emphases and facial features/gestures.
    I think some of us have been subjected to so much in the arena of bad taste as far as masses, music, feast days, decor etc that we may feel a bit like venting. I know I do…yet I do remember liking certain songs at first, until I had to hear/sing them for the 50th time. Sigh.

    Gerry
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:51 pm

    I grew up loving Eagles Wings and Here I Am Lord. They helped me grow closer to God when I was a child and my parents didn’t even go to mass.

    But, I do find most of the music played at my church now puts me to sleep. I think all they play is lullabies.

    Is there any good new Catholic music?

    What are good old catholic hymns. I wasn’t raised on them? Are they all in Latin?

    Joe DeVet
    July 6th, 2010 | 7:59 pm

    Why is Toolan’s “I Am the Bread of Life” on this list? Is it the lyrics? They are right out of John 6. Is it the melody. Nothing wrong with the melody. It’s one of my favorites.

    Well, it used to be. Now that it’s always sung, “you who come to me…” instead of her original “he who comes to me…” Sometimes in spite I sing it the original way. But then of course my spite makes it one of the worst.

    OK, you win.

    Where’s “Kumbaya”? The quintessential terrible “hymn” of the 70′s and 80′s.

    Bro AJK
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:05 pm

    “Here I Am” reminds me of a slower version of “The Brady Bunch” theme.

    Jeffrey L Miller
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:07 pm

    Hmm, I am oddly comforted that an Evangelical suffers from the same bad hymns us Catholics do. Misery loves company.

    As for songs your list is a good start, but would have to add the heretical Ashes to the list. Or Shine, Jesus, Shine is another one that drives me crazy. “Let there be peace on earth” always bring me back to the 70′s Coke commercial that used that song.

    Laura Lowder
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:07 pm

    Don’t forget – “Here I Am” resonates with echoes of the … well –
    “Here I am, Lord, Is it I, Lord? Who was bringing up three very lovely girls…….” (Brady Bunch song).

    Edward
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:12 pm

    @Will O’Hara – agreed on the beautiful BYU version of “Come Thou Fount of Every Blessing” – it’s arranged by Mack Wilberg.

    The music is published by Oxford University Press.

    Both a CD and DVD are available at http://www.TantaraRecords.com, sung by the BYU Combined Choruses, on the album “A Thanksgiving of American Folk Hymns”

    There are also a couple of video clips of it on YouTube.

    Michael S
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:47 pm

    Nearly 80% of or funerals use Eagles Wings as one of the songs requested by the family. I gag every time I hear it. The very worst song is Gather Us In, by a long shot. I get gas pains just thinking about it. Pecos and the Seashore(sic) is also one of the worst songs. There are some really good songs. but the old Glory And Praise songs that our parish started singing out of in the 70′s have spoiled their taste in good music. When we do sing the ‘Our Father’ in the old manner, most don’t know the setting and don’t sing. Only the old folks can sing it. Musicality and mode will change the way songs are written. The words are the most important and then comes the music. If the writers would stay with the biblical wording with a good chant like music arrangement.

    elmo
    July 6th, 2010 | 8:57 pm

    Sufjan Stevens has recorded a very beautiful version of “Come O Fount Of Every Blessing” along with a bunch of other traditional hymns on his Christmas CD, which he streams for free at Christmas from his website. Stevens is a Protestant but I wish he was my parish’s music director. I think he could make any of these top 10 songs bearable because of his respect for tradition and originality in composition.

    AnnF
    July 6th, 2010 | 9:00 pm

    I was honored to be a member of St. Columba Cathedral Choir in Youngstown, Ohio, for almost 10 years before moving to Cleveland. If you want to be sure to attend a mass at which you will NEVER hear a single one of these songs, please stop by. The music and the choir are fantastic. If anyone can recommend an east side Cleveland parish with decent music, please, please help me out.

    Alex
    July 6th, 2010 | 9:15 pm

    Good list, but while these have slain their thousands, Hosea (Gregory Norbit) has slain its ten thousands.

    Lynn
    July 6th, 2010 | 9:37 pm

    I don’t like hearing “popular” songs sung at Mass, as if there were hymns…for example,
    “You Raise Me Up” used as a gathering/entrance
    song.

    Kathy from Kansas
    July 6th, 2010 | 9:50 pm

    Bob Dobie at 12:06:
    “Really good hymns, like those of Gregorian chant, are timeless. But if one were making a list of the best Catholic hymns, I’d probably put ‘Holy God We Praise Thy Name,’ near the top of the list…”

    I have noticed that when we sing these good old “classic” hymns at church, the congregational participation shoots up to close to 100 percent! As opposed to the Haugen-type tunes, where it’s mostly just the choir singing, and the people in the pews just listening or mumbling.

    Don’t get me wrong, I love some of the Haugen tunes–they’re just not appropriate for congregational singing, and especially not for Mass. Not only are the lyrics sometimes inappropriate to the Mass, but the complex melodies, harmonies and rhythms that make them so beautiful to listen to, are precisely the things that make them impossible to sing for the average person without any musical training !

    These songs are more appropriate for youth-group retreats, prayer meetings, small-group gatherings, campfires, etc., where you have a guitarist and maybe a couple of vocalists who would sing the verses, and then get the rest of the group to join in on the refrain. There is no way that “Shepherd Me, O God,” for instance (though it is one of my favorite songs), works for a large group!

    Raving Papist
    July 6th, 2010 | 9:57 pm

    “Lastly, I have to say I’m really disturbed by the harshness of the comments here”

    I’m a convert and have been subjected to the 70′s style hymns for many, many years. All I can say is that if I had been offered an alternative, I wouldn’t be saying a word, but being subjected
    to this music ad infinitum while having to listen to Gregorian Chant on iTunes and in the car on the way to Mass does tend to bend some of us out of shape.

    Kathy from Kansas
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:07 pm

    OK, and while we’re on the subject of appropriate music for Mass, is there anyone out there besides me who is INTENSELY bothered when the priest’s part of the Great Amen (“Through Him, with Him, in Him, in the unity of the Holy Spirit….”) is sung in a traditional chant mode (which has a “minor key” sound to it), and then the congregation’s response (“Amen, amen, amen”) is in a MAJOR (“happy-sounding”) key? The clash between the traditional, reverential chant mode and the folky, Barney-sounding major-key mode sets my teeth on edge more than fingernails on a blackboard!!!

    I don’t have a music degree or anything–and our parish music director has all of this “liturgical music” training, supposedly–and yet even I, a rank amateur, can hear how bad this sounds? You don’t mix major and minor modes! It just comes out sounding silly.

    For those of you who HAVE had musical training, did you know that in the Middle Ages, what we now call a major key (the Ionian mode) was not even ALLOWED to be sung in churches? It was considered common/vulgar/profane.

    You don’t even have to go all the way to a minor key (Aeolian mode, which takes the Ionian or major key and lowers the third, sixth and seventh notes of the scale) to get something that sounds a bit more reverential. Try the Mixolydian mode (only the seventh note flatted) or the Dorian mode (only the third and seventh notes flatted) and it’s a huge improvement over today’s major keys in terms of sounding more “mystical” and worshipful.

    R.C.
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:08 pm

    @Tommy 2:10 PM:

    Holy cow.

    Those aren’t Christian hymn lyrics.

    Those are Yes lyrics. They have to be. They’re just like Jon Anderson’s later ramblings. Something off “Tales From Topographic Oceans,” perhaps?

    Mark. Gooley
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:12 pm

    I’ve gotten used to a lot of these, and I will give Marty Haugen credit for extreme ingenuity with lyrics — though often when ingenuity is not really called for. “I am the Bread of Life” is okay, although the politically-correct “you who” and “and I will raise you up” of the altered version rather grate on me — and the harmony in the chorus is fun to sing if one has the range, as I have. “But Then Comes the Morning” with its “robots have taken his job” and similar twaddle, probably takes the prize for the worst Catholic hymn or song ever. Anything by Carey Landry (former priest, quit to get married) is up there — though “Hail Mary: Gentle Woman” is the only song of his I see a lot these days. Another thing that grates on me is “alt.”: fine old hymns, usually Anglican or Lutheran, hacked for inclusive language or out of sheer perversity — but not necessarily for orthodoxy. I recall “See Us, Lord, About Your Altar” in the OCP Music Issue with no-transubstantiation lyrics for YEARS before it was finally tweaked to fix that. I used to think that there was a monastery somewhere where monks chosen for a complete lack of aesthetic sensibilities deliberately altered lyrics to sap them of anything beautiful… maybe it’s some tin-eared drudges at Oregon Catholic Press… look at “Praise, My Soul, the King of Heaven” as an example.

    Hans Urs von Balthasar
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:18 pm

    “Our situation today shows that beauty demands for itself at least as much courage and decision as do truth and goodness, and she will not allow herself to be separated and banned from her two sisters without taking themselves along with herself in an act of mysterious vengeance.”

    (Glory of the Lord, p. 18)

    Joe
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:38 pm

    @Alex – I was just waiting for someone to mention “Hosea.” It’s a fabulous example, with mawkish sentimentality and a terrible setting of words to melody – the emPHAsis always goes on the wrong syLLAble. Exhibit A: “Integrity… and juh-uh-STICE.” Exhibit B: “Long have I waited for your cuuuuuh-MING/ home to me and liiiiiivING/ deeply our new love.” Strong in the force, this one is.

    Another gem in that line, from another song: “We are called…to love tenderLEE”

    As for heretical hymns, nobody has mentioned “I myself am the bread of life” – yes, those are the words, and they are not sung in persona Christi, as “I am the Bread of Life” is – I hope the lack of notice here that means it’s not widespread. Our parish seems, sadly, to hear it quite often. “I myself … am the Bread of Life/ you and I… are the Bread of Life…”. Ack.

    In that vein, recall the immortal line, “Not to preach our creeds or customs, but to build a bridge of care…”. One hopes this is not intended as a paraphrase of Matthew 28. This is from “As the Fire is Meant for Burning,” a nonsensical and decidedly heterodox set of new lyrics for a good old tune.

    As for the serious stuff about the purpose of this discussion and its charity (or lack thereof): I know that some are moved by some of these songs, and that it is snobbery to think that God can’t be honored by imperfect music. But we should do our best for Him, and that includes identifying flawed liturgical music and pointing out how it fails. Choosing congregational music is a pastoral task, and it requires pastoral care as much as, or more than, elevated musical taste. Nonetheless, the class of hymns we are talking about is objectively difficult to sing, in the main, and is hence not musically suited to congregational singing. Some have been so drummed into congregations that they can manage the polyrhythms, wide intervals in the melody, different numbers of notes in different verses, etc. As I said, pastoral care is needed, and keeping some of those in circulation is certainly called for, for that very reason. But take the long view – these hymns were cooked up with little or no reference to the history of Christian liturgy, and we shouldn’t defer to them as if they have the weight of long tradition in their favor. Quite the contrary. If congregations can be molded so that they know how to sing the verses of “On Eagles’ Wings,” they can sure as heck be introduced to some better music as well.

    Brian Sullivan
    July 6th, 2010 | 10:55 pm

    As a Yes fan from way back, I’d rather be singing any Yes song instead of these 10! Besides, didn’t you read this?
    http://www.theonion.com/articles/yes-lyrics-to-be-added-to-new-testament,966/

    Dan M
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:05 pm

    We were subjected to a relentless barrage of Joe Wise “hymns” at my Catholic high school in the 1970′s. “Welcome In” stands out as one of the very worst. I’ll quote the last verse from memory and apologize for any inaccuracies; but lyrics this truly awful tend to burn themselves into the brain of the hapless listener.

    Welcome in. Take my hand.
    Say hello to who you know and who you don’t
    and who you can.
    Learn the dove’s song as she coos it.
    We’ve come too far now to lose it
    but not too far to re-choose it.
    Welcome in.

    ……..Let me out!

    Candace
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:18 pm

    This was a fun thread. As a (former) Quaker, I have a great appreciation for silence in worship and these “hymns’ would inspire me to purchase a good set of earplugs.
    When it comes to ‘modern’ hymns, my taste runs to the music from the Taize community. For old style American Protestant hymnody, you just can’t beat the Sacred Harp.

    KLM
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:19 pm

    God Bless our retired pastor who said Mass this past weekend and coerced the choir into singing Battle Hymn of the Republic, Amazing Grace and American the Beautiful. The usual fare is a compendium of the “10 worst.” The classics have such powerful and fond memories for me – and I can actually sing them instead of stumbling behind the choir.

    Will O'Hara
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:24 pm

    @Edward: thank you, that’s just for what I was looking.

    @Elmo- meant to mention Sufjan! I recommend all of his music. Were I wealthy I would love to commission a Sufjan Mass. I get goosebumps thinking about it.

    Mr. J
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:28 pm

    Woe is me. A former Episcopalian, now long-time Lutheran and seriously considering conversion.
    Only to find out I’m going to have to hear this same music on the the other side of the river?
    Surely you jest!!! Arrrrrrrggggghhhh!!!

    christophe
    July 6th, 2010 | 11:42 pm

    I Am the Resurrection
    (clap clap)
    and the Life
    (clap clap clap clap)
    He who believes in Me will never die

    I am the Resurrection
    (clap clap)
    and the Life
    (clap clap clap clap)
    He who believes in Me will live a new life

    John H.
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:28 am

    Mr. J. Please don’t let the worst 10 get you down! Somewhere in your area you will find decent music, perhaps even excellent Sacred music and hopefully Chant, the highest form of Liturgical music in the Roman Rite. The above 10 selections are just a sample of some of the sad misguided innovations that have plagued many parishes. But be of good cheer for Chant is making a comeback in areas where it has been missing for decades thanks to organizations dedicated to teaching it to Priests, Individuals, groups young and old. In the end, no matter what happens, Our Lord is still present in the Blessed Sacrament in His Body, Blood, Soul and Divinity. The spiritual good and graces you will receive if you continue your road to conversion the Catholic faith will be life transforming.

    Xavier
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:46 am

    Ignatius Press, in 1998, published Fr. George Rutler’s Brightest and Best: Stories of Hymns. Author and publisher thereby did a great service to all who want to be reminded of the richness and power of our heritage in Christian hymnody. Many of the hymns included were more likely to be heard in Episcopal churches but all breathe a Catholic theology and spirit.

    Here’s a link to the St. Gregory Hymnal and Catholic Choir Book that was a typical parish resource before Vatican II. The mediocre and the saccharine are occasionally represented there but the general standard is high:
    http://www.gutenberg.org/etext/23673

    Current usage isn’t immutable and there’s a general hunger for musical beauty and meaning. Talk to friends; attend the planning meetings; provide the music ministers with copies of the hymns that you

    Will Travis
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:47 am

    Seriously? Most of these posts are pretentious self righteous ramblings. Fault finding Pharisees! Where is your love? To speak the truth without love is a great disservice to Him who is Truth. I agree that many of the songs listed in the rants above are heretical, and should never be sung in Mass, or anywhere else for that matter. And yet many are not. The internal battle over suitable music is an ancient battle. Poliphany was outlawed, now is considered sacred, and so on. One of the things that I find most comforting about our Church is that it is alive, and like you and like me is ever in need of renewal and purification, and we are not orphans set about to wander. We are led through the Church by God Himself. It seems to me that these gripe sessions profit little to the kingdom, and if one wants to point to the flaws, he had better bring solutions. For the record, many of those songs are shallow at best and heretical at the worst. It is important to seek the Lord, the typical reaction is a knee jerk, over steering that just puts in the other ditch. New does not= bad nor is everything old worth keeping.

    Xavier
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:57 am

    would like to form part of your worship at Mass and prayer services. I’ve been blessed in being spared many of the experiences recounted in this thread and know that there are alternatives to continue suffering them. Reclaim the heritage.

    Maggery
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:18 am

    Yes, some of these songs should be tossed into the abyss and expunged from our memories, but agree with an earlier commenter – some of them just aren’t meant to be performed by one guitar, a keyboard and an eight-member choir.

    If you want to hear some REAL folk-hymns (sung at the top of the lungs, no-less), search for a Shape-Note (aka Sacred Harp) sing in your area. Yes, you’ll have to swallow some extremely 19th-century-American-Protestant theology, but boy can the music inspire some singing!!

    Joe
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:19 am

    The “Gather” hymnal is a crime. It makes the NAM look like the KJV by comparison. That said, “I am the Bread of Life” actually sounds great when sung by an enthusiastic and reverential evangelical congregation, believe it or not. It inspires reverence for communion. “Angels We Have Heard on High,” conversely, is about the most depressing thing you have ever heard when sung by a dead or disoriented congregation in a downtown D.C. Catholic church on Christmas eve. Been there. All of which is to say, the tuned-in-ness of the people singing has a lot to do with what sounds pretty good and what does not. Heart does make a difference.

    Bern
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:25 am

    If only the Vatican had to approve the hymns before they are sung in the church. Our church has turned it into a performance.

    Mike O
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:30 am

    In all this discussion no one has mentioned that we don’t even need songs and hymns at Mass. They are taking the place of the Proper texts. IOW these lousy songs are displacing texts of the Mass. THAT is the main problem.

    BTW no one mentioned my favorite cowboy song “Come to the Water”.

    Kathy, the Ionian mode showed up in church music when composers began to add a Bb to all Lydian mode works in F. Some of the greatest polyphony of all time is really in a major “key” if you will. ;-)

    Bender
    July 7th, 2010 | 2:59 am

    christophe –

    Presumably you think that you are mocking some contemporary song/hymn, but you are actually mocking Him. I know it is all the rage to slam fellow Catholics in the Church in this post, and you have certainly been encouraged by the total absence of Christian charity exhibited here, but there has to be a better way than to resort to blasphemy.

    Peter West
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:48 am

    I, too, was surprised by some of the hymns mentioned. Some of them may be corny, but they are inspiring to a lot of listeners and singers. I think that applies especially to those who, like me, come into Catholic or Anglican congregations from a charismatic background. I’m thinking, for example, of “on Eagle’s Wings,” “Here I am, Lord” and “Hosea”. I spent some time in a Latin Mass group, and I dearly love the chant. There is no sacred music to compare; no sacred music that can actually be sung in a congregation, at any rate.

    However, the latinos simply couldn’t understand the appeal of any modern hymns, and were unreservedly scathing about them. There is plenty to be scathing about.

    The music of many of these songs is awful, even to charismatics, but far worse is the theology. Sometimes it is actively bad, but more often it is diversionary. It’s not that there is anything wrong with it per se, but in the constant diet of tripe that is served up in some congregations, one can go from month to month with any inkling that the purpose of gathering is dutiful worship and praise of a transcendent three-personed God.

    Some songs, however, like “Lord of the Dance” should never be sung. The Resurrection itself is carefully elided in this garbage. But there is a great stream of such nonsense, many of which have been mentioned.

    Catholics may not be able to sing, nowadays, but there is a treasury of wonderful hymns that was thrown away forty years ago. They wait in the wings though. “Godhead here in hiding”, “Holy God, we praise Thy name”, “Sweet sacrament divine”, “Jesus my Lord, my God, my all”, “Let all mortal flesh keep silence”, “Firmly I believe and truly”, “Praise to the Holiest”, “Morning has broken”, “By Your kingly power”, to name a few.

    I think many consciously rejected the old hymns all those years ago, but that influence is declining, and these older hymns await rediscovery.

    Dahveed
    July 7th, 2010 | 6:31 am

    Joe, you’re missing the best of the worst: Bobby Bare’s hit, Drop Kick Me Jesus Through The Goalposts Of Life (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SO5Y1OuQIxo). I do agree with most of your list. We hear a lot of these at Mass.

    David Trumbull
    July 7th, 2010 | 7:17 am

    I am reminded of a time I went to the Novus Ordo Mass at the church near my gym. The processional hymn was something called “Send Us Your Spirit” by Daniel L. Schutte (1985). The credits on the bottom of the page state it was “inspired by ‘Veni, Sancte Spiritus;’” that may be. A short hymn of but 118 words, the author managed to chop it up into 20 sentences. I counted 22 occurrences of the first person pronoun, or 18 percent of the total content.

    The recessional hymn was the grand old Lutheran classic, “Nun danket alle Gott,” based on Ecclesiasticus 50:22-24. The English translation, the familiar 19th cen. one, ordered 124 words into three well-crafted sentences. The first person pronoun appeared ten times, for eight percent of the total verbiage.

    Mary
    July 7th, 2010 | 7:55 am

    This post saddens me…I like some of these hymns very much.
    The Body of Christ is a varied lot and we are likely to be inspired by different music. How do you or I know beyond doubt what is pleasing to the Lord?
    Maybe the lyrics are trite to you, maybe the melody is derivative. How does any of us have the right to mock what others enjoy?

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    Dorian Speed
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:13 am

    “Sing to the Mountains” is really not all that bad, if you imagine it being sung by the Muppets.

    fionnbharr
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:16 am

    The line of Lord I Lift Your Name on High which says “I’m so glad you came to save us” causes me physical pain. Understatement of the Millenium.
    Still, I’ve known many charismatics who were much better Catholics then I am. I’ve made a conscious effort to avoid complaining too much about the songs they sing at Mass.

    Dom
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:18 am

    My mother has asked for “On Eagle’s Wings” to be played at her funeral. Would it be a violation of the 4th commandment not to honor her wish?

    I find the tune to “We Remember” to be all too reminiscent of a Hallmark commercial.

    What I find most objectionable are hymns that place us in the role of God praising us: “Oh Lord, aren’t we a wonderful people you’ve made?”

    Or worse: “You are my wonderful people.”

    My wife and I get so frustrated because our musicians are capable of so many great hymns, which they play occasionally, but pair them with so much banal music. It’s not like it’s a steady diet of awfulness, but its enough to keep you queasy every Sunday.

    Broadway Wisher
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:29 am

    The best way to show why these songs are simply inappropriate for Mass is to compile them into a Broadway musical about the life of Jesus. Can’t you just see St. Peter singing a spotlight solo of “Lord, when You came to the seashore…”? Or, the 72 singing “Let us build the City of God…” as they march off to convert the masses? Please, please, please make your next blog an attempt at making these songs into a Broadway musical!

    Jeffrey
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:30 am

    Maybe the lyrics are trite to you, maybe the melody is derivative. How does any of us have the right to mock what others enjoy?

    I enjoy a great deal of music…99% of which is totally innapropriate at Mass. Trite lyrics and derivative melodies are par for the course in pop-music, and they are most welcome there! But when the object of our worship and adoration is the God-made-Man himself and our purpose is the sacrifice at the altar, we have to be a bit more discerning than “I like how it sounds” or “it makes me feel good”.

    I always ask defenders of such music if they would as quickly allow replacing the scripture readings with excerpts from popular novels, comic books, or essays composed by parishioners so long as they mentioned God or somehow connected to the general ideas of the actual scripture readings. The answer is usually “of course not”. Why then do we do so with the music?

    Bibbit
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:30 am

    If my choir director had written the Happy Birthday song it would go something like this:

    Aren’t you glad that WE came
    Aren’t you glad that WE came
    It’s your birthday today
    Aren’t you glad that WE came

    Jeffrey Quick
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:45 am

    @AnnF: OF or EF? Have you been to Immaculate Conception in Superior and E. 42?
    @Joe: If the congregation is the Body of Christ, and the Bread of Life is the Body of Christ, then is the congregation the Bread of Life? It’s not so much heretical as self-centered.
    @KLM: Battle Hymn of the Republic? “As He died to make men holy, let us die to make men free”…speaking of dubious theology.
    @Mr. J: two words of comfort: Extraordinary Form

    T.B.Root
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:54 am

    Like many of you, I prefer the old hymns, and wish to sing those in the original settings. But I would like to present the view of my brother who plays in the praise band of a Methodist congregation. He says that the dream of somehow dialing back to an earlier period in music is a forlorn and false hope: The musical merging of Europe and Africa continues, is irreversible, and is a waiting gift. Modern church music is mostly bad, but offers great possibilities and, really, the only possibilities. The modern ear will demand the rhythmic complexity and flexible openness of modern music. The way forward is to use it and to make it good.

    While I’m reluctant to subscribe to that, I don’t see the possibility of grumpy nostalgists leading the way to an exciting future either. My church has two main services, one contemporary and one traditional. The traditional service (which I attend) has half the attendance of the contemporary.

    aquinasadmirer
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:18 am

    I’ve read a lot of posts here which appear to be motivated by taste or personal preference.

    I’d like you to watch these. They are a useful introduction to know what music is fitting for Mass.

    http://musicfortheliturgy.org/video/sacred_vs_secular.htm

    http://vimeo.com/12123237

    Das Erlibnis
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:21 am

    Clearly you have not developed a taste for music and are incapable of critical review. I grew up on most of the songs you’ve listed, but I also attended a seminary where these songs were never allowed. The fact is, the wise man stores in his treasure things both old and new. The problem is, nobody is writing new music in the older formats. I’ve studied art for years. I haven’t studied music at all. But I can say that when I sing “Tantum Ergo” after the reposition of the Eucharist, my heart is moved. Likewise, when I sing “On Eagle’s Wings”, regardless of whether is similar to any other lyrics or composition, my heart is moved. Only a vain and haughty heart could be otherwise unmoved when the chorus comes and the entire choral harmony is elevated to that angelic space where even hardened hearts are rend by humility.
    But, stubbornly, I imitate what I see sometimes, and so I say, that if you have the audacity and the hubris to say what good and bad, based on …whatever, then I will tell you that the only measure worth defining is exclusive, it is whether or not the song moves the heart, and that is all that matters so long as the song is not impious or heretical.
    Vanity, vanity, vanity. Useless is the critique that measures beats and lyrics according to prose, meter, and rhyme when it comes to the songs of the Church, rather, I should say, the song of the Christian. And I will add that for all your loftiness, there are a handful black gospel songs that will put your music to shame for the pure and simple reason that it embodies the raw and unrefined spirit, reaching it where it must needs be touched. The song has one purpose and one alone and that purpose is not to glorify God. The purpose is to reach God by the heart. That is what music, more than any other art form is capable of doing and that is its purpose, to transcend the deepest sympathies of the heart so that others may be singularly in touch with that one connecting sense, The Communion. Communion is more than a piece of bread or flesh. Communion is our source and our salvation and we reach it through Eucharist. But ultimately, what we all want is Communion with God the Father. I don’t necessarily like songs or wordings about “fellowship”. I call that “weak sauce”. The Koinonia is what Christ offers us and the power of song is that we can be spiritually and physically drawn in to that Communion. Anything else is vanity.

    Elissa
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:34 am

    I don’t have time to read all the comments to this post but I would like to point out that I’ve lived all over this country and gone to parishes all over as well. Every time one of these songs is played, the entire congregation joins in and sings. When parishes try to do Latin chant, good luck getting a single person in the congregation to join in. So you may hate them, but these songs get people singing more than any others and in my book that’s a good thing.

    Daniel McGlone
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:45 am

    I laughed then I cried then I laughed. What troubles me is that I know all the words but still stumble with tantum ergo, child of the Council I guess: well meaning and ignorant. I will say “I am the bread of life” isn’t totally hideous while Schutte isn’t a heretic just a audio sadist.

    cnb
    July 7th, 2010 | 11:37 am

    I have heard some of these Bottom 10 at Mass, but thankfully I have not heard them all. The hymns that drive me around the bend are the “nature hymns”, with their dancing and prancing in forest and field. Dreadful stuff. “Ashes” wins for worst theology.

    I’d like to agree, heartily, with the point made by “Mike O” (July 7, 1:30 pm). In most parishes, including my own, these songs are bumping the Mass propers out of the liturgy altogether. This is a serious deformation of the liturgy that ought to cause concern. Hymn singing has a place, but it needs to be rolled back to make room for the texts of the Mass itself. When the hymns are as bad as they often are, less is better anyway.

    I also like the point made by “Kathy from Kansas” (July 6, 10:07 pm). I too find the transition from the chanted Doxology (“Through Him, with Him, in Him…”) to the happy-time Great Amen jarring every time I hear it. Please, just let us sing the plain, unaccompanied Amen that the Doxology is begging for!

    It’s a great idea, too, to compile a list of the best hymns. My favourite of the hymns borrowed from Protestants (and for English language hymns, we’ve borrowed essentially all the good ones from Protestants) is “Come Down, O Love Divine”. My favourite Catholic hymns are probably Tantum Ergo and Ave Maris Stella. I’ve never heard the latter sung in church.

    aquinasadmirer
    July 7th, 2010 | 11:41 am

    The problem is, nobody is writing new music in the older formats.

    Surprise! :) Kevin Allen has been working hard…

    http://www.corpuschristiwatershed.org/projects/motecta-trium-vocum/

    Katie Angel
    July 7th, 2010 | 11:47 am

    I did read most of these posts and I have to say that most showed very little Christian charity or understanding. I love the old Gregorian chants and the traditional hymns of my childhood but I spent my college years in the music ministry of my campus ministry (and followed that with five years in the parish choir) so I am familiar with, and love, quite a few of the songs on this list and several of the ones mentioned in the comments. I have heard loud and enthusiastic singing in the congregation for both the truly traditional and the G&P. Part of it is knowing your congregation and part of it is modifying some of the more difficult phrases to make them easier to sing. I think we Catholics need to remember that true catholicism is being welcoming to the many different parts of the Body of Christ – not just the ones we agree with – and that includes people who are moved by music that you feel is sub-par.

    Katie Angel
    July 7th, 2010 | 11:48 am

    Also, if you have ever heard these songs performed by John Michael Talbot, you would have no doubt they were wonderful.

    Emily
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:09 pm

    A slow, plodding “Gather Your People O Lord” with airy, uninterested voices ‘singing’ is enough to put my over the edge. I know a local parish that sings this as the opening song just about every time I visit there. Ick.

    Chana
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:12 pm

    I’ll defer to those who must endure, but I’ve always liked “City of God.” :-)

    aquinasadmirer
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:14 pm

    Katie,

    I read this:

    I think we Catholics need to remember that true catholicism is being welcoming to the many different parts of the Body of Christ – not just the ones we agree with – and that includes people who are moved by music that you feel is sub-par.

    I was wondering where I can read about how emotion or personal is a criterion for knowing what is fitting for mass? Are there papal directives which speak to this? If not, then what are you basing your statement on?

    One of the difficulties we as a society have these days is that people mostly consume music, and seldom make it. This being the situations, without a conscious effort and awareness, liturgy can devolve into religiously themed entertainment.

    The music at mass has a profound effect on how we worship, how and what we believe. It is by far the most frequent catechetical activity we do. If the music we sing sounds like the secular world outside, it will effect how we think about the sacred. If is sounds distinctive, and set apart, this too will effect how worship and believe.

    In general, we have to take great care to not be overly emotional. I used to think that unless I cried during confession, it wasn’t a valid confession. After one confession, I didn’t cry. Later, I realized that it didn’t matter if I cried, or was emotionally moved at all. The emotional effects are incidental. If we hold to the idea that people have to be externally engaged and emotionally touched in order to “get anything out of mass” we are setting people up to be let down when the emotion wears off. These are reasons that this is not a suitable criterion.

    Richard
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:30 pm

    I have often been tempted to ask my parish priest after mass (in a parish where these pedestrian hymns are commonplace) if it is a sin to sing an ugly hymn, but I haven’t got the heart.

    Best,

    Richard

    Mike O
    July 7th, 2010 | 12:40 pm

    Re: Christian charity. I’ve read a few posts here that decry the decrying. Go back to the Gospels and ask yourself how often you would accuse Christ of not being charitable? Sometimes it is important to call out things, especially when they persist. The reason that so many of us are worked into a lather about these songs is that that just won’t go away. Some are poorly written and some contain dangerous or merely confusing theology, but for those who want “contemporary” music, why defend music that is now mostly 30 years old? Perhaps the years 1980-92 will be seen as the parallel to the Protestants’ 1880s (when many of their traditional hymns were composed), but I hope not. I understand that these songs are tied closely to many people’s experiences, and I don’t want to dismiss those experiences, but Mass music’s first job is NOT to move the heart, but to lift prayer. If the music is moving, all the better, but next time you are in church, notice how many people sing the offertory song and how many sing the chanted Lord’s Prayer. In most cases, the simple chant wins the “participation” contest. Turn off the amplifiers and see who is really singing the commercial publishers’ songs in the church. I’ll bet it’s not the congregation.

    Jen
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:28 pm

    I have to disagree about “On Eagle’s Wings.” I like that one. But I’m with you on the rest, especially “Gather Us In.”

    The one I’m truly hating these days is “All Are Welcome.” Blech!

    Can’t anyone write some good new music?

    George
    July 7th, 2010 | 1:52 pm

    “Women of the Church”. Worst “hymn” ever. EVER! Besides “Sing a New Church”.

    Avril
    July 7th, 2010 | 2:00 pm

    “Pescador de los Hombres” was, if I am not mistaken, a favorite of John Paul II. He may not have been a great musician, but he was incredibly inspired by the Holy Spirit. I am a classically trained singer (Bel Canto) with a degree in music and have sung professionally for years. I have seen that melody touch countless hearts in a way that amazes me. I have learned a beautiful secret. Sometimes the Holy Spirit seems to work more powerfully in a simple song like this one than in pieces I am sure would be at the top of your “best” list. I so love the Holy Spirit. You just can’t put Him in a box. :)

    Teal
    July 7th, 2010 | 2:01 pm

    “Yahweh, I Know Your Are Near” by Dan Schutte merits a spot on any list of bad hymns, although it might not be used much now, perhaps buried under its own weight.

    KingCranium
    July 7th, 2010 | 2:26 pm

    The one I remember truly disliking from my SBC days was People Need The Lord.

    Everyday they pass me by, I can see it in their eyes.
    Empty people filled with care, headed who knows where.
    On they go through private pain, living fear to fear,
    Laughter hides their silent cries, only Jesus hears.

    People need the Lord, people need the Lord.
    At the end of broken dreams, He’s the open door.
    People need the Lord, people need the Lord.
    When will we realize…people need the Lord?

    …always sung in a plodding, beseeching tone. “Door” had two syllables, as well.

    Jeffrey Quick
    July 7th, 2010 | 2:53 pm

    @aquinasadmirer: Those Allen motets are amazingly well-done, and I discovered them on the same morning I discovered this page…sort of the marriage of Heaven and Hell.

    GJB
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:04 pm

    I see Thomas Day’s disciples are still flourishing.

    I realize that Mr. Carter said that the performances of his top ten shouldn’t be critiqued…I recommend getting permission to post the composers’ versions of the songs to give a true presentation of how they are to be performed.

    And…if you really want to avoid using melodies that sample or flat-out copy other secular songs, then take “Away in a Manger” off the repertoire (“Greensleeves” is a song about prostitutes).

    Thank God for people like Sister Toolan, Fathers O’Connor, Joncas, and Foley, not to mention Shutte, Haugen, Haas, Conry, Farrell, and many, many others before and after them. They have dedicated their lives to writing inspired songs and hymns to provide us with a means to Sing to the Lord.

    Scott Maxwell
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:07 pm

    With the exception of #5 (“We Remember”) and #1 (“Sons of God, Hear His Holy Word”) Every song is on rotation at my parish. And of the parishes where I live, mine has the more traditional and reverential music…

    Hmyer
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:09 pm

    I like these songs. We sang them all at our Houston Parish, every last one of them. People smiled and clapped their hands and stayed till the very end of mass. Now mass sounds like a funeral, nobody sings, and everyone leaves right after communion. I guess I was a bad Catholic and didn’t know it.

    GaryB
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:15 pm

    I’m a convert (2 years ago) and I like some of these hymns! – let me also say that I’ve been involved in music most of my adult life, and know bad music from good music. I like “I am the bread of life” and “Here I am Lord” and “City of Life.” What bothers me are hymns and other musical passages (like certain musical renderings of the Gloria) that are really hard to sing, with weird ranges of notes and weird rhythms that are done just to try to fit the words to the music. If the choir is having trouble singing it, what makes them think the congregation is going to be able to sing it?

    Mary Elizabeth Williams
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:33 pm

    “Ashes” notes that we offer ashes to God. That’s blasphemy. Any offering to God must be a valuable article, and ashes are worthless. Good grief, don’t the people who publish this stuff read? Or are they so badly educated they don’t recognize heresy when they see it? As for “All Are Welcome” NO ONE has the right to welcome me into my Father’s house. It’s where I live.

    Keri Anderson
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:33 pm

    How about cleaning up the heresy while we’re at it? “Sing a New Church” – What’s the matter? The one founded by God Himself ain’t good enough for ya? “Precious Body Precious Blood” (here IN bread and wine) – Oh really? Transubstantiation means the bread and wine cease to exist. This is the heresy of consubstantiation. “Ashes” (to create OURSELVES anew) – Yeah, that’s right. No need for salvation from God, we just create ourselves cuz we’re soooooo good. I’ve given up singing most of the modernist hymns so I can avoid these despicable comments altogether.

    Tapestry
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:49 pm

    I love “Eagles’ Wings” but then we first heard it on our USMC base. Our unit had just lost an entire air crew, one of which was a major in the chapel choir. The bodies were never recovered. He had just sung it the Sunday before. It was a ‘we remember you’ song.
    I don’t mind “Gather Us In”, nor “Here I am Lord” which makes me cry at Communion time but that Pan de Vida could be burned its so overused.
    Sons of God, hear His holy Word, gather round the table of the Lord, eat His body, drink His blood and will sing a song of love.
    Allelu.. Allelu .. Allelu .. Alleluuuuia.
    http://www.aggi.de/songs/SONSOFGO.HTM
    (sorry we used to sing it in high school and its one of the few I do remember and I liked it!)

    Austin Fleming
    July 7th, 2010 | 3:58 pm

    I’ve not had the time to read through all 163 comments so my apology if these points have already been made.
    1) Only one song on this list is composed in hymn form and that’s “Gather Us In.” The other nine are not hymns.
    2) How amazing that none of the ten worst songs in a 2,000 year history of church music was written earlier than about 50 years ago.
    3) Were I tempted to list some of the insipid hymnody composed and used prior to 1960 I would not do so, because as musically awful as some hymns were, they were the prayer of people gathered sincerely to worship God. What good would come of such a list? What good comes of this list?

    robert moody
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:00 pm

    I submit a late entry. “On These Days of Lenten Journey”, political posturing posing as a hymn. It does, however, make me feel penitent. For those of you protesting that some people like these hymns, people like “Dogs Playing Poker” too but that doesn’t make it a Rembrandt.

    Alice
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:09 pm

    I have to agree with David – some of these comments are more than harsh. I have loved some of these hymns as they do express something for me.

    I like Gregorian chant as a change-up, but I hope it is never instituted as the only music in church. Talk about Johnnie one note! (well maybe 2 or 3). I have a cd, I listen to that. At Mass I would like to have something I understand.

    Often times the problem with some of these hymns is the plodding tempo. If we are singing about joy, praise, etc., it should sound like it.

    I like some of the old tunes, Holy God, I Praise Your Name, being one of them.. Couldn’t stand it for years though, because we sang it at end of mass for most of my life!

    Express your opinions, but please, have some charity and understanding that not everyone can or should agree with you.

    Joseph S.
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:17 pm

    Is congregational singing really the best measure of “active participation” in Mass? I once attended a Mass where the choir sang sublime Gregorian chant. I did not sing, because I didn’t know the words nor were they available, but my heart and mind were lifted up to heaven and I participated with all the choirs of angels and saints in divine worship.

    On the other hand as I sing along to the thousandth rendition of “Eagle’s Wings” or some such at my local parish I experience only boredom, and I find my mind wandering to mundane matters like “what shall I eat for breakfast after Mass?” I may be singing and yet not really “actively participating” in the sense the council fathers intended.

    I concur with commentators above that the Mass is not a performance for my entertainment, and I try to put my personal tastes aside and I will attend Mass, sing, and try hard to concentrate no matter how dull, insipid, and grating the music, but at least for me the type of hymns on this list make true active participation an uphill battle.

    Incidentally I was born in 1976, so I grew up with this music and have heard it at Mass all my life. One poster mentioned “Godhead here in hiding”, “Holy God, we praise Thy name”, “Sweet sacrament divine”, “Jesus my Lord, my God, my all”, “Let all mortal flesh keep silence”, “Firmly I believe and truly”, “Praise to the Holiest”, “Morning has broken”, “By Your kingly power” of this list the only one I know is “Morning has broken” from the Cat Stevens recording…

    chris
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:44 pm

    Sorry guys….the worst of all??? “Colours of Day”. It makes me weep.

    jack
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:58 pm

    Hey, on July 4th at every English Mass we sang “America the beautiful”. Everyone sang….. But at the three Spanish language masses not one song about the Good Old USA…..Sends a message doesn’t it?

    Susan
    July 7th, 2010 | 4:59 pm

    Shame on you. Many love to sing these songs and God loves when we praise and worship. Who are you to judge what makes a best or worst hymn? You definitely have too much time on your hands and think too highly of your selves.

    Joseph S.
    July 7th, 2010 | 5:01 pm

    Alice,

    You said: “I like Gregorian chant as a change-up, but I hope it is never instituted as the only music in church. Talk about Johnnie one note!”

    I agree, I’m all for diversity and inclusion, but in my view we’ve nearly become a one-note Church that ONLY plays these contemporary hymns. Yes, there are a few parishes within an hour’s drive that offer chant, but I’m uncomfortable with the idea of “parish shopping,” I believe there’s value in belonging to my local parish and worshiping with my neighbors, and if we all sort ourselves into parishes by musical tastes, political views, etc. doesn’t that undermine our catholicity?

    All I ask is that my local parish offer chant at one of its five Sunday Masses. Just one! Vatican II said:

    116. The Church acknowledges Gregorian chant as specially suited to the Roman liturgy: therefore, other things being equal, it should be given pride of place in liturgical services.

    Given that, would it be so unreasonable to ask every parish to offer chant at one Mass for those who prefer it?

    John O'Brien
    July 7th, 2010 | 5:29 pm

    I have to agree with you and your list. Of course there are many more. Let’s get back to the old Catholic hymns.
    To Susan, it’s not judgement, it’s opinion. There’s a big difference. And to anyone who keeps saying “we/you have to much time on your/our hands”, well in this day and age it’s a BIG relief to have TIME ON OUR HANDS. That seldom happens.

    tim johnson
    July 7th, 2010 | 5:34 pm

    Interesting topic, all, thanks.
    But let’s remember this is like love, and involves personal relationships and talk that isn’t always appropriate for all times, places, venues…..who of us would want all our sweet nothings repeated every Sunday morning in public… but that doesn’t mean they weren’t a “real” part of a real and loving relationship.
    Years ago, my stomach began to curdle at the music and lyrics of Austin Miles’s 1912 classic, “In the Garden”, and I would rail stentoriously against it… but someone told me a story of a girl who was sexually abused every day of her young life and said later the only thing that got her through it was to afterward walk outside singing that song to herself.
    There is a place, even in the Christian life, even in the corporate Christian life, for mawkish sentimentality. We all start out as kids.
    And singing “We are One in the Spirit,” was a good time for me when I was young; couldn’t really do it now..
    All that said, I welcome some home truths about what we all sing as Christians together and to think about it.
    One of the my earliest rebellions was against Ralph Carmichael, in general, but most especially his horrible “He Lives!!!!” … with calliope sounding music and the dreck of ..” You ask me how I know He lives, He LIVVVVVVVVVES within my heart!!!”
    Talk about solipsism run amuck…..
    But let’s allow for taste and grit our teeth at times for those hymns loved by many; maybe gradually we will winnow out the worst.
    It’s an interesting problem to have, though, eh? A surfeit of music the past 300 years that includes lots of bottom-feeding stuff.
    And I have a feeling the Lord has a soft spot for those who thunder out “How Great Thou Art,” all the while plugging His ears……

    I’ve said for years that Annie Ward’s “Easter Song,” is a transcendant modern hymn; not easy for the regular person to sing, but I think it was inspired by the Holy Spirit.
    .
    Is hymnody itself an argument for a form of progressive revelation? Don’t we have billions more in terms of musical expressions of the faith than did the medieval Christians, and isn’t that way better, despite the dreck? And what does that all mean ecclesiologically and theologically? Why did it take so long for such tunesmithing to become part of church life?
    Or is it all a dratted element of the damnable (I think many of you would describe it thusly) Protestant Reformation and the earlier Schism, that sent large parts of Christendom away from the way it was always done and always should be done?
    I can’t quite see it that way….
    But I think Ralph Carmichael’s best hope is several centuries in purgatory……..

    James Dobbins
    July 7th, 2010 | 5:40 pm

    My vote is Bread of Finest Wheat.

    Karl
    July 7th, 2010 | 6:03 pm

    Worst not included: “The Old Rugged Cross” “Bring Forth the Kingdom” “All are Welcome”

    Jo from Oregon
    July 7th, 2010 | 6:40 pm

    Oh, my. I’ve been a church organist for 60 years and I’ve played most of these songs. I can’t imagine what everyone wants us to go back to singing. Spare me from lots of Latin.
    Maybe ONE song per Mass.

    Joseph S.
    July 7th, 2010 | 7:03 pm

    > Spare me from lots of Latin.

    This is a common objection, that Gregorian chant is unacceptable because it is in Latin. Putting aside for a moment the Latin vs. vernacular debate, surely there exists a body of chant in English? And surely there are musicians who could translate the Latin or compose new English lyrics to set to the rich treasury of chant melodies? Some traditionalists may disagree, but I for one would be overjoyed to chant in English at Mass.

    Eve
    July 7th, 2010 | 8:03 pm

    Here is a great video to educate us all on the difference between secular (popular “hymns”) and sacred music, http://vimeo.com//10686215. Recommend it to every parish music director!

    Tapestry
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:05 pm

    Is it that the music ‘leaders’ in our church just don’t like Latin? Or is it they can’t play Gregorian chant and don’t want to take away their ‘edge over’ the congregation?
    When you listen to the beautiful chants how can anyone not like them?

    Texan99
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:16 pm

    Oh, thanks a lot. Now I’ll never be able to hear “Here I am, Lord” (which we sing ALL THE TIME) without hearing “Here I am, Lord, Is it I, Lord? Who was bringing up three very lovely girls….”

    There are hymns in our “Wonder, Love & Praise” book (ugh) that are such a combination of boring chords and sappy words that they’d be annoying as a commercial jingle, and getting through them is a real exercise in mortification and humility. I keep having to remember that it’s not about gratifying my musical taste. It’s hard, though, and I wonder whether the music in the service should be so much like having to eat bugs.

    Rob Harrison
    July 7th, 2010 | 9:44 pm

    Keljeck: re: “Heart of Worship”–you should go re-read the lyrics, as you’ve understood it exactly backwards. The actual story there is that Matt Redman and the pastors of his church were convinced that music had become an idol, so they stopped doing any, for a period of some months–no instrumental stuff, and no singing. “Heart of Worship” is a song Redman wrote at the end of that period to confess that he and the church he served had been worshiping their music instead of God, and to express their repentance.

    Jim in Virginia
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:07 pm

    From the Protestant side — anything by Jane Parker Huber. http://www.shuckandjive.org/2008/11/in-appreciation-of-jane-parker-huber.html
    She was on the committee that developed the Presbyterian Church’s new hymnal in the 1990s and they included ELEVEN of her hymns in the new book- more hymns than even Charles Wesley!

    Manda
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:08 pm

    Wow… it’s the main playlist for the choir at my church… :(

    Joseph S.
    July 7th, 2010 | 10:57 pm

    Tapestry, the argument I’ve heard is that people won’t sing chant in Latin, and the people must sing because that is a sign of “active participation,” therefore we must have popular hymns in English. Despite the fact that in my experience most Catholics sing these hymns reluctantly or halfheartedly, if at all, the prescription is always “more of the same.”

    Susan Peterson
    July 7th, 2010 | 11:18 pm

    One comment which was revelatory was when someone above said that when his church sang these songs everyone was “clapping and smiling” and now church “sounds like a funeral.”
    (Not sure what kind of a funeral he means as all the Catholic funerals I have been to have featured Eagles Wings!).
    There are different ideas about what worship is supposed to be like. Are we supposed to be “clapping and smiling” at worship? My idea of worship is reverence and awe, a sense of being in the presence of God, take off your shoes for this is holy ground. The hymn “Let all mortal flesh keep silence, and in fear and trembling stand” expresses this well. If “Christ Our God to earth, descendeth/ Our full homage to demand” is the proper response to clap and smile? Is it a matter of indifference with which attitude we worship?
    I admit that I have sung these songs for a long time and some of them have devotional associations for me. But one can’t really tell what is wrong with them, or more, what is lacking in them, until one has some length of exposure to a tradition with more depth. What would be a tradition with more depth…well first of all, OUR tradition, which is sadly not at all my tradition as I have only heard it in church once, Gregorian chant. The tradition I am learning, the chanted Byzantine liturgy with chants written for the Slavonic and adjusted for English, not as beautiful as Gregorian chant in my opinion, but it is an ancient liturgy and a currently practiced working system of chant in a church within half an hour of my home, and that is where I go now. Or, say, the Anglican tradition of the (old) Book of Common Prayer,(or even the Anglican use Catholic version of that) with Lutheran and Wesleyan hymns. All of these ways of worship just have more depth and substance, more theology if you will, than the current translation of the mass combined with the songs listed above. That is not to say that devout hearts cannot use them to worship God; some will take what is good in them and pour their devotion into them, and not be harmed by what is missing. But others I fear, ARE harmed by the lack of theological depth and the lack of God centeredness in these hymns, so that when moral choices pit the teachings of the church against the teachings of the world, there just isn’t anything there to call upon which sufficiently challenges the world.
    Susan Peterson

    DT
    July 8th, 2010 | 12:43 am

    I had a similar experience as David above. Some of these songs and ones like them helped draw me back into the Church.

    I have always liked “Gather Us In”, but perhaps only because it reminds me of “The Wreck of the Edmund Fitzgerald.” Ha! I’m glad somebody else noticed that too.

    Regarding the repeated use of “I” and “me” in songs, if these are disqualifiers then you might as well toss out about 1/3 of the book of Psalms. I understand that worship isn’t about us, but it does involve us.

    I think the battles over liturgical music for the last few decades is actually due in large part to some sociological and technological factors that are only increasing:
    - We are able to listen to much more music than people of past ages
    - We are less likely to be involved in making music than people of past ages (likely related to the previous point)
    - music is able to be delivered in increasingly individualized ways resulting in the multiplication of genres and increasing divergence in people’s musical tastes
    - Distinctive music has come to be seen as an important part of generational identity, increasing the musical disconnect between people of different age groups

    The result of all this is that it becomes increasingly difficult to write music that speaks to a whole congregation and actively draws people into worship. Add to this the complicating factor of increasing cultural (including musical) diversity in the American church and the problem is only compounded. I don’t know what the answer is, but I don’t think simply retreating back to Gregorian chant or classic hymns will do it, even if such a thing were possible. Much as the Church’s attempt to fend off modernity through neo-scholasticism and the relentless repitition of Aquinas proved to be unsustainable, a simple retreat to the past will not work, especially given the demise of European cultural hegemony within the Church.

    In the end though, good music speaks to people and moves them. Good music has a way of reaching across generation and cultural divides. The dust is still settling from Vatican II and some of the cultural changes I’ve mentioned. My hope is that as time passes we will have some great artists come along who produce great liturgical music that works in this admittedly more complicated situation.

    Mike O
    July 8th, 2010 | 12:59 am

    Well, it seems that not much has changed except that those who find these songs lacking are finally able to speak their minds. I realize that many have very strong personal associations with this music. The music was coincidental to the events of their lives, which builds a strong attachment. Nothing wrong there, but it’s time offer the Lord the best we can produce, not the most popular. I’ve been to every church in my diocese and frankly no sings this stuff. Oh they may like it, but they won’t sing it.

    Helen
    July 8th, 2010 | 1:07 am

    What?! No one mentioned Lord of the Dance? That one makes me want to get up and LEAVE!

    stephen
    July 8th, 2010 | 1:26 am

    What about “Taste and See” the goodness of God? That surely has to be at least in the top 5.
    Can someone tell me who anointed Marty Haugen to be the AM Church musical prophet?

    Maria
    July 8th, 2010 | 2:18 am

    I am surprised at all the expressed concerns about the use of “we” and navel gazing, as you all seem self congratulating enough. Thank God this list has been constructed, without any explanation accompanying it. I am so very glad we are all on the same page.

    Good Lord. The most constructive thing said here was that we have 2000 years of music to pull from, which is true. Surely the Church can benefit from hymns from a diversity of time periods and musical trends, even (gasp) languages! Wouldn’t that really be singing a new Church into being?

    Joe
    July 8th, 2010 | 3:39 am

    Let’s not get carried into a false dichotomy. There is a lot more out there than the St. Louis Jesuits on one side and Gregorian chant on the other. There is, for one thing, a whole tradition of wonderful Protestant hymns in the vernacular – and we do hear these in Mass, but often and in many places they are outnumbered by inferior pieces, simply because … I don’t know. There are English versions of simple chants, both Gregorian and from the Eastern rites. There is Renaissance polyphony for the choir to sing – some of it simple enough for an inexperienced group. There are, for example, the Vaughan Williams arrangements of classic hymns: For All the Saints, Come Down O Love Divine, etc. There are contemporary hymns that are noble and beautiful – i.e., they don’t sound like third-rate rock or pop, and they are singable for the congregation. There are American spirituals. This only scratches the surface. There’s no need to be narrow about any of this – but there’s also no need to pretend that all of the usual fare is just fine because people have become accustomed to them. We should still sing along with our full voice – barring lines we can’t utter in good conscience, which is another matter – but we can do that and hope that certain trends won’t last forever!

    Some of the commenters have said that you can’t get people to sing traditional stuff, Latin, chant, etc. But how many parishes, which otherwise stick to the Glory and Praise/Gather repertoire, sometimes sing the simple Agnus Dei in Latin? I’ve seen that in many cases, and it reinforces how easy simple chant is for the congregation to sing, musically speaking. Manageable range, repeated melodic phrases, the whole package. As I said above, there’s no need to narrow things down to Marty Haugen and Pope Gregory, but even with Latin chant, congregations really can learn to sing a bit of it with minimal discomfort and just a little time.

    Pitkiwi
    July 8th, 2010 | 4:34 am

    Every time that we sing City of God, I can’t help but think “ON TOP OF SPAGHETTI! ALL COVERED WITH CHEESE…..”

    Barry
    July 8th, 2010 | 6:45 am

    I’m pretty sure this one was not mentioned in all the previous comments: “How Can I Keep from Singing?” (How secular is it? It was recently recorded by Enya!)

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    fionnbharr
    July 8th, 2010 | 10:04 am

    I don’t like this thread anymore. I’ve had “Ashes” stuck in my head all morning! :::shudders:::

    Mary
    July 8th, 2010 | 11:21 am

    Go make a difference…we can make a difference (ghastly)

    All are welcome.

    Let there be peace on earth.

    Ashes.

    Keri Anderson
    July 8th, 2010 | 12:51 pm

    Susan: In answer to your question “Are we supposed to be ‘clapping and smiling’ at worship? I’ll just run a quote from Pope Pius that I’ve tried to use (unsuccessfully) to stop the clapping after we get stuck with the post-communion concert with the kiddie choir:

    “It is not right to applaud the servant in the presence of the Master.”

    Jeffrey Quick
    July 8th, 2010 | 1:03 pm

    @jack:
    “Hey, on July 4th at every English Mass we sang “America the beautiful”. But at the three Spanish language masses not one song about the Good Old USA…..Sends a message doesn’t it?”

    The message it sends me is that the Spanish speakers are there to worship God instead of the State, which is a very 1 Samuel 8 thing to do. Now, if they’re singing patriotic songs on Cinco de Mayo, I’ll take it back.

    JP
    July 8th, 2010 | 1:47 pm

    When I led choir, I declared it a Carey-Landry-free zone.

    The one exception I might make to that list is “Eye Has Not Seen”.

    Eric Williams
    July 8th, 2010 | 2:08 pm

    “Sing of the Lord’s Goodness” by Ernest Sands

    *cringe*

    Kirstin
    July 8th, 2010 | 2:38 pm

    “The Lord of the Dance” and “Taste and See” are two of my least favorites songs sung in church.

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    Bradford Young
    July 8th, 2010 | 3:34 pm

    The webpage of The Society for a Moratorium on the Music of Marty Haugen and David Haas is no longer maintained, so I had to search for these wonderful parodies of “Gather Us In.”

    Gather Us In

    Here in this place, a bad song is starting,
    Now will the altar turn into a stage.
    All that is holy is slowly departing,
    Making a way for the coming New Age.

    Gather us in, though we are like captives.
    But to miss Mass on Sunday, that would be wrong.
    But Lord hear our plea, regarding M. Haugen:
    Give him the courage to put down that bong.

    Dear Father Smith make a beeline procession,
    Run if you have to, make it real terse.
    If you can start this Mass very quickly,
    Maybe we’ll only have to sing but one verse.

    O Dear Lord Jesus, You are the Savior
    We’ve promised to follow, whatever the cost.
    But we didn’t know this song had been written:
    Would you terribly mind if we came off our cross?

    Gather Us In

    Here in this place, our comfortable parish,
    All of the statues carried away,
    See in each face a vacuous visage,
    Brought here by guilt or by R.C.I.A.

    Gather us in, by Bimmer or Hummer,
    Gather us in, so we can feel good,
    Come to us now in this barren Zen temple,
    With only a shrub and an altar of wood.

    We are the young, our morals a mystery,
    We are the old, who couldn’t care less,
    We have been warned throughout all of history,
    But we enjoy this liturgical mess.

    Gather us in, our radical pastor,
    Gather us in, our unveiled nun,
    Call to us now, with guitars and bongos,
    Hang up your cellphones and join in the fun!

    Here we will take some wine and some water,
    Whether it changes, we really don’t care.
    But when the Sign of Peace comes, our pastor,
    Jumps from the altar and hugs like a bear.

    Gather us in, the privileged and snobby,
    Gather us in, the liberal elite,
    Help us to form our personal Credo,
    Give us a choice between white bread and wheat.

    Gather Us In

    Gather us in, the disheartened faithful,
    force fed a watered-down liturgy.
    Gone are the hymns that point us toward heaven
    - courtesy of the OCP.

    If I had pow’rs of telecombustion,
    the songbook I hold would burst into flame.
    Judging by those around me – not singing,
    everyone else here feels just the same.

    REFRAIN

    I envy the deaf who can’t hear this music;
    I envy the mute who don’t have to sing.
    I might “sing a new church into being”
    if I knew just what the hell that means.

    REFRAIN

    If I must hear this music much longer
    I fear that I will surely puke.
    Two-thousand years of church music history,
    flushed down the john by Haas, Haugen, and Schutte.

    REFRAIN

    ASTORIAN
    July 8th, 2010 | 3:42 pm

    As a 49 year old Catholic from New York City, I hate to say this but… I PREFER some of the the cheesy, vapid songs we hear now to the stuff I grew up with!

    All through the Seventies, I was tormented by the omnipresent work of Lucien Deiss, a guy who wouldn’t recognize a melody if you beat him over the head with it (and I wanted desperately to beat him over the head with SOMETHING!).

    As for the more contemporary songs people are complaining about here, well, I think the great Mike Judge gave the best summary of Contemporary Christian music on the animated series “King of the Hill,” in which Hank tells some well-meaning musicians, “You’re not making Christianity better, and you’re making rock and roll WORSE!”

    Tony Layne
    July 8th, 2010 | 3:50 pm

    There are a couple of points various commenters have made that are worth reinforcing:

    1) Granting the principle De gustibus non est disputandum, many of the songs mentioned both in the list and in some of the comments are theologically suspect, if not blatantly heretical. Even if, when separated from their erroneous content, we could agree that they were well-composed, they should still be struck out of the repetoire of any Catholic church. While it’s not possible to completely separate the worshiper from the worship, the songs are not for us or about us, so whether they move us or not is a consideration secondary to what they say to and about our Lord.

    2) Joe has pointed out we’re not limited in our liturgical music to choosing between Haugen and Haas on one side and Gregorian chant on the other. However, I suspect that teaching the congregation to sing Latin hymns only suffers from want of trying, not from any dislike or lack of enthusiasm from the pews. And chant has an incomparable, mysterious beauty even when one doesn’t understand the words. (Besides, I’ve never had much patience for the “you can’t put the clock back” argument, as it’s rarely relevant.)

    3) What good does a list like this do? If nothing else, it allows us to express our shared values—at least to the extent that they are shared—and reinforce our sense of both community and communion. The real question is, where do we take this indictment of the present system? What do we do with it?

    Jerry Gooso
    July 8th, 2010 | 4:28 pm

    There are 2 points I wish to make, and I will try to make them brief.

    1. Upon entering the Church (I mean the actual room where the altar is, where the tabernacle rests), we are no longer in the ordinary world. We are transported out of time and out of our regular surroundings. The music we hear during Mass (along with the sights we see, the smells we smell and the posture we adopt) SHOULD and MUST be different from what goes on outside. I treasure these and other songs as part of what made me a happy Christian. I have wonderful memories that these songs bring up, and I even sometimes play them on my guitar in personal prayer time. As moving as these songs may be, they really have no place in Liturgy.

    2. There IS new music being written in the traditional style. See here http://vimeo.com/12515589 among other places. It just takes a bit of research or, in my case, a good friend who is also a gifted musician, choir director and liturgist who thankfully never stops sending me great things to keep me learning.

    Paul Melley
    July 8th, 2010 | 4:35 pm

    I was reading through the comments until I got to the following from Rob G and stopped: “Marty Haugen, Dan Schutte, David Haas and all the rest should have been taken out and shot as soon as they raised their heads.” I cannot even believe this was written! Can he really use those words in same statement as “In our church…” What an absurdly ridiculous and horrifically disconnected world and Church he must live in. Many of these composers, believe it or not, are doing their best at trying to be disciples- its easy to pull down others when we ourselves contribute nothing.
    I’m all for honest dialogue, but most of the comments are uninformed, unenlightened, and based in no small measure to hubris. To think that the bleating sheep in this comment section have any standing in critiquing music (let alone theology) when most are not able to be creative on their own is laughable. Before writing in to a nameless blog with no accountability I recommend picking up an instrument and doing better, or working for a publisher, or joining the choir, etc. or use your imagination.
    Let’s talk about our differences instead of fracturing the Body of Christ even further, eh? I’m fairly tired of the whining and complaining done in the name of Christ. One simple question: “Who is my neighbor?” and then “Go and do likewise.”

    As for the original post, one word: Irresponsible. By what criterion are you basing (and subsequent commenters) your judgement on? Without reasoned, intelligent conversation, you leave the weakest minds to join in the row. Also, look up the definition of hymnody- only one of the ten fits that definition. The others are songs.
    And if I may suggest to the author Joe Carter, if “First Things” was named after the principle of first and second things that C.S. Lewis posits, then go and re-evaluate your roots. This kind of list is so clearly a second thing to communion with the Body of Christ that you will lose not only your precious list of songs (good and bad) but also the first.
    As a reminder this is your own masthead: “First Things is published by The Institute on Religion and Public Life, an interreligious, nonpartisan research and education institute whose purpose is to advance a religiously informed public philosophy for the ordering of society.”

    Next time “things are slow in the office”, try educating yourself instead of flinging mud.

    Mary Naughton
    July 8th, 2010 | 8:29 pm

    Typical First Things snobbery.

    Adam
    July 8th, 2010 | 8:39 pm

    How is “Sing a New Church” not on here? That is the only hymn I’ve ever refused to sing.

    Also, I actually like Gather Us In and I Am the Bread of Life. There’s no accounting for taste!

    Liam
    July 8th, 2010 | 8:54 pm

    Just to clarify one thing for those not aware of the history behind the hymn in question:

    How Can I Keep From Singing, in its original form, is hardly secular. The text was written by Anne Warner, collected by that ubiquitous collector and arranger Robert Lowry; in the 1950s, Doris Plenn added a verse that Pete Seeger popularized (she failed to renew her copyright on that properly, and lost a lawsuit against Enya on that point) and Seeger also fudged the Christological focus of the original text. The original melodic setting was better than what Richard Proulx crafted for GIA; the original is in the public domain, and I encourage folks to consider using the original text and melodic setting instead.

    My life flows on in endless song;
    Above earth’s lamentation
    I hear the sweet though far-off hymn
    That hails a new creation:
    Through all the tumult and the strife
    I hear the music ringing;
    It finds an echo in my soul—
    How can I keep from singing?

    What though my joys and comforts die?
    The Lord my Savior liveth;
    What though the darkness gather round!
    Songs in the night He giveth:
    No storm can shake my inmost calm
    While to that refuge clinging;
    Since Christ is Lord of heaven and earth,
    How can I keep from singing?

    I lift mine eyes; the cloud grows thin;
    I see the blue above it;
    And day by day this pathway smoothes
    Since first I learned to love it:
    The peace of Christ makes fresh my heart,
    A fountain ever springing:
    All things are mine since I am His—
    How can I keep from singing?

    Johnny B
    July 8th, 2010 | 9:52 pm

    “Lord of the Dance” has got to be the worst. The last time I heard it in liturgy I expected leprachauns to come out and start line dancing

    Dan Cheely
    July 8th, 2010 | 11:42 pm

    How can you leave out the “International Anthem” of NewChurch–KUMBAYA!!!

    I agree with this hall of shame completely, except for Pescador de hombres, which I think is very Catholic in tune, mood and word–IN SPANISH. Forget the English version, though even it is not as bad as omnia opera of Haugen and Schutte.

    Linda Reid
    July 9th, 2010 | 8:53 am

    “I’m all for honest dialogue, but most of the comments are uninformed, unenlightened, and based in no small measure to hubris…..Next time “things are slow in the office”, try educating yourself instead of flinging mud.”

    Thank you Paul Melley!! The systematic crucifixion of contemporary composers by people who know little seems to be a favorite sport of the “Liturgical Revisionists” What’s so wonderful about “These 40 Day of Lent”?

    Christina
    July 9th, 2010 | 9:35 am

    There is a little known song that my church occasionally brings out called “Spirit Friend.” (the refrain claps on each syllable of ‘spirit friend’)

    I’m just glad my pastor has banned it, now if only the choir would obey.

    aletha
    July 9th, 2010 | 12:55 pm

    as a recent convert, and still currently leading contemporary worship in a methodist church, I have found much of what is in a the Catholic Hymnal shockingly herectical. who approves this stuff… To be honest though I have to fight the younger people at the UMC to not sing songs that make Jesus sound like your girlfriend or long lost love object… and their hymnal is full of tripe, when they sing some of this junk I am certain Charles Wesley rolls over in his grave

    Jo-Ann
    July 9th, 2010 | 1:15 pm

    Bring back Gregorian Chant!

    Alice
    July 9th, 2010 | 1:16 pm

    Hmm, back to chant. I have heard it in English – sometimes used for the psalm at Mass. It is OK and singable. I think one should also look at the need to have singable music. I really object to performance choirs which really leave out the congregation. As a former choir person, l like that music, but recognize that one per Mass or perhaps as a prelude is enough. It is really great when the whole congregation actually sings. We have been in two parishes that really had congregational singing which really made Mass a communal celebration. It takes several repetitions of a new hymn to acclimate the congregation to a new tune/lyrics, but well worth the effort. A little practice before Mass is helpful also.

    Ruth
    July 9th, 2010 | 2:03 pm

    What a sad thread. It certainly exposes how judgmental and nasty some people can be. I’ve been to Mass all over the world. Yes, sometimes the music is not very inspiring, but that is not why I go to Mass.

    GJB
    July 9th, 2010 | 3:38 pm

    Ruth, Good comment.

    Many years ago, while on vacation, we went to a Catholic Church in the mountains of Colorado. The hymn numbers were on the board and we all turned to the page. We have no idea what she was playing, but it didn’t sound anything like “On Eagles Wings.”

    I talked to the priest afterward about this. He said that she traveled to two parish 70 miles apart every weekend. And, she was the only person he could find to lead the music (it was pretty remote).

    I judged her because I thought I was a better musician and played the hymns/songs better. In reality, she was just fine because she was providing her ministry to the absolute best of her ability.

    My point is that, unless there is a top 200 of what should be played, and good reasons why, we can keep going with what we have. The variety is huge…pick what you think is best and pray that it reaches somebody besides yourself.

    Teena H. Blackburn
    July 9th, 2010 | 7:25 pm

    One of the best things about becoming Orthodox is participating in a Liturgy where it is very clear that it is not about ME, ME, ME, US, US,US. We chant-in English. We have a choir, but people in the congregation can and do sing if they choose. It isn’t some forced happy, clappy nonsense. It’s amusing to hear people talk about charity-where is the charity in encouraging banality, self-centeredness and in some cases outright heresy? Where is the charity in gutting the liturgy and replacing it with some pathetic second-rate version of what was popular music forty years ago? I was a Roman Catholic for years-one of my worst memories was listening to nuns leading the singing-playing a little keyboard and singing what I call “Las Vegas love songs to Jesus,” although frankly, they were more about how great the congregation was. I could have literally wept with relief when I realized that I would never have to hear another guitar strumming at a liturgy as long as I live. Thank God.

    Teena H. Blackburn
    July 9th, 2010 | 7:42 pm

    By the way, the Church Fathers were pretty unanimous in condemning the use of instruments in Liturgy. I would argue, therefore, that chant vs. folk hymns and the like is not just an issue of personal taste. It’s not about what we personally prefer, it is a question about what is faithful to the Tradition and what is seemly in worship. If someone wants to consider that simple snobbery, oh well.

    Daniel
    July 9th, 2010 | 9:39 pm

    Add:

    “All are Welcome in This Place.”

    “Rain Down.”

    J Peterman
    July 9th, 2010 | 11:03 pm

    I’ve read through these comments and I’ve seriously got you all BEAT! Ha! Sorry, I just get pumped up about the lameness of bad Vat2 songs in all their glory. Here in the Diocese of St Pete, St Mary’s to be precise we have the song that finally pushed me over the edge to drive an hour each way to an FSSP Mass in Sarasota. It is the “Holly, Holly, Holly song accompanied by..wait for it..wait some more.. A DRUM MACHINE!! Yep, the drum machine starts..duh-teh, duh-teh, duh-teh..HOLLY HOLLY HOLLY HOLLY lewwua, how lay how lay how lay lu yahh! Sing it again folks!

    John M
    July 9th, 2010 | 11:30 pm

    I didn’t read through every post but did anyone mention “Alleluia” by Bobby Fisher? This masterpiece is played at the “life teen” mass in my diocese. It’s accompanied by a drum kit, guitars, choir, and a jerry lee lewis inspired piano. One time I saw a child walking up the center aisle of the Church when they started belting out this song. He couldn’t have been more than six years old. He stopped dead in his tracks and put his hands over his ears! I laughed so hard, a little child shall lead them.

    John M
    July 9th, 2010 | 11:36 pm

    Ruth, This thread is not sad at all, in fact you’ve got it backwards. The Church is sad with all this horrible music and often heretical too. I am not the “bread of life” and neither are you. The point is, the Church existed for 2000 years and produced the most beautiful music and brilliant musicians the world have EVER known. And now, in the “spirit of the Council” we’ve blown that away in just 40 short years. The Church simply won’t exist in it’s current form for much longer unless we change BACK and soon. I will raise you up on Eagle’s wings and the like is sending people to the exits permanently Ruth.

    Rachel
    July 10th, 2010 | 1:21 am

    I was going to reply immediately and say that #1 on the list needs to be “Sing a New Church”, and then I saw how many commenters had beaten me to it! Well, let me add my vote anyway.

    John
    July 10th, 2010 | 1:37 am

    I never had much trouble understanding the ideas behind One Bread, One Body, On Eagle’s Wings, Kumbaya, or Let There Be Peace on Earth.
    I don’t know whether these are great theologically or not, but ultimately, I must ask something else:

    Why do I only hear these concerns when the Church’s music comes up, but never when education arises?
    Why do we insist upon picking on volunteers–which most church choirs are–and ignore the problems that educators inflict?

    I don’t believe the schools have taught much Aristotle, Aquinas, or Shakespeare as they might, but they seem quite interested in “ethnicity” and “identity”.

    If we’re so prickly about lyrics at Mass, why aren’t we that prickly about..the means by which these gripes might begin to make sense?

    John
    July 10th, 2010 | 1:46 am

    I guess I should say this:
    I can barely STAND most music that I’ve heard that someone composed after 1990 and I refuse to sing the music when I can tell the lyrics were changed due to “gender bias” concerns. (I learned it the original way in the 80′s. It made SENSE then!)

    Then too, the more I learn more traditional pieces like Tantum Ergo, Panis Angelicus, and this or that by Palestrina, Mozart, or..dare I say it..Chant….the more I understand the angst people have with modern music.

    I never did understand why the Church thought we needed to reinvent the cultural wheel. I would like to see all the above mixed much more. Uh, don’t say that to my choir director though! He might strangle me!

    Rick Moore
    July 10th, 2010 | 10:00 am

    When you said “hymns” I thought you were talking about actual hymns and not the crap that passes for worship music these days. Thankfully, I’ve never heard of any of the songs you listed.

    I could add one, though. I’ve always thought “Our God is an Awesome God” was particularly annoying. And the song “Like a Deer Panteth” makes me want to open fire on the music pastor.

    P. Schndr
    July 10th, 2010 | 10:21 am

    I’m glad I don’t go to he same services as those who dislike your ten worst hymns.

    St Jude
    July 10th, 2010 | 2:40 pm

    For all those here whining about the comments being “unkind”, please go to google and type in credo and click videos. Listen to the Credo sung in Latin to a soft organ. Unbelievable, incredible, sublime. It’s we Catholics who should be angry our Church music has been stolen from us.

    Dennis
    July 11th, 2010 | 5:16 pm

    We are a timeless Church. The gospel is constant but the message is focussed according to the challenges of the day. Comparing the best of 2000 years of history to 40 years is peculiar. People are writing about their struggles and their relationship to God. This is appropriate for art and for the Church. Can you still find the really ineffective music that limped along 200 years ago. Bad music, lyrics and architecture disappear. the durable, effect items remain. Can’t audiophyles mention more than Gregorian Chant. I have sung it since High school but I want music that represents the struggles of my time. If you want better music then tithe more of your time, talent and money. You don’t want to know where the money came from to pay the geniuses of the past. Pray for an open heart for the genius of our time and a community that speaks to those who must be saved in our time. God bless us with patience for those who are trying to do well and for those who contribute nothing more than stuckness.

    John M
    July 11th, 2010 | 8:49 pm

    So Dennis, which of the modern masterpieces of the last 40 years would you say represent the “struggles of your time”..?

    StJude
    July 11th, 2010 | 10:53 pm

    Dennis, I believe you have displayed the problem correctly. Too many Catholic’s today have the incorrect thought that the Mass is to “represent the struggles of our time.” We go to Mass to worship, praise, adore our Lord. Please tell us where the Gregorian chant you speak of singing since HS is sung every week. Since Gregorian Chant is sung in about .001 percent of the Churches in this country, I’m sure everyone would love to know where they could hear it. I could tithe 100 percent of my time and money in my diocese and we’d still be treated exclusively to the “here I am Lord” type stuff non stop.

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    Kathy from Kansas
    July 12th, 2010 | 4:17 pm

    On July 7th, 2010, at 1:30 am,
    Mike O. wrote:

    “In all this discussion no one has mentioned that we don’t even need songs and hymns at Mass. They are taking the place of the Proper texts. IOW these lousy songs are displacing texts of the Mass. THAT is the main problem.”

    This is especially true of the Offertory. It grieves me deeply that choral/congregational singing (especially if the song’s kind of silly) usually drowns out the sacred words of the Offertory Prayer. Those prayers–”Blessed are you, Lord God of the Universe, by whose grace we have this bread to offer….”–are a living link to our Jewish heritage. They are derived from Jewish prayers and blessings dating back to the most ancient times, probably to the days of the patriarchs.

    Some trite song usually drowns out one of the most beautiful, succinct distillations of Christian theology in existence: “By the mingling of this water and wine, may we come to share in the divinity of Christ, Who humbled Himself to share in our humanity.”

    And wouldn’t it benefit us all to pray along silently as the priest prays, “Lord, wash away my iniquities; cleanse me from my sins.”

    It’s a terrible thing, to my mind, that at most Sunday Masses that I’ve been to, we never even hear these prayers because the choir director is either too anxious to show off, or is just stuck in a rut because he or she hasn’t bothered to THINK about what’s really going on in the Mass, and has become a slave of just doing things “because that’s just the way we do things here.”

    It especially grieves

    Sam Wood
    July 12th, 2010 | 7:00 pm

    Great topic! And then there’s service music. We tend toward the “Mass of Glory” with it’s syncopated Gospel Swing style that makes piano players drool, especially during the “Allelujah.” Will we have courage to stand before the Son of Man when he comes, or will we be too busy wiggling our hips!

    Brett R. McCaw
    July 12th, 2010 | 9:26 pm

    I have not read through all the other posts, so if I repeat others’ picks for “Worst Hymns”, please forgive:

    I am disappointed that you guys forgot:

    1. We are called

    2. We are called to serve

    3. All are welcome

    etc.

    All of these hymns seem to have the effect of reducing our 2000 year liturgical tradition of saints, confessors, and martyrs to as much banality as a ripped off hallmark greeting card.

    Nevertheless, even still — Christ is among us! Amen!

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    Casey
    July 13th, 2010 | 1:25 pm

    “As a Fire is Meant for Burning”
    As a fire is meant for burning
    with a bright and warming flame,
    so the church is meant for mission,
    giving glory to God’s name.

    Not to preach our creeds or customs,
    but to build a bridge of care,
    we join hands across the nations,
    finding neighbors everywhere.

    We are learners; we are teachers;
    we are pilgrims on the way.
    We are seekers; we are givers;
    we are vessels made of clay.
    By our gentle loving actions, we would show that Christ is light.
    in a humble, listening spirit, we would live to God’s delight.

    As a green bud in the springtime is a sign of life renewed,
    so may we be signs of oneness mid earth’s peoples many hued.
    As a rainbow lights the heavens when a storm is past and gone,
    may our lives reflect the radiance of God’s new and glorious dawn..

    Robster
    July 13th, 2010 | 1:42 pm

    I liked many of the songs mentioned, but they get overplayed. Somewhere, there is a master list of the top 20 or so songs to be sung at a Catholic mass. On any given weekend, 2 or 3 of these are sure to be on it. The problem is that they are catchy and instantly likeable. But like successful pop music, they don’t wear well and get annoying eventually.

    How about the Caribbean (sp?) alleluia?
    “Alle, alle, alle, loo–oo–ya! [3x] Alleuia, alaylooyah!”

    Jim Pauwels
    July 13th, 2010 | 2:02 pm

    “a musician friend of mine notes that it’s a stroke of . . . some kind of genius . . . that the opening interval of “On Eagle’s Wings” is precisely the interval you use when you call, “Yoo-hoo!” And what are the first two words? “You who.” Genius.”

    Ms. Thomas – cool (or wierd) were it true, but alas, ’tisn’t. “Yoo-hoo” (at least as yodeled in these parts) is a descending minor third. “You who” is a descending major second. As happens in so many church choirs: close, but off by a half-step.

    Michelle
    July 13th, 2010 | 4:13 pm

    I knew that Pescador de Hombres would make the list. It is just a bad, banal song. Down here, they sing it every day in one parish when it comes time for Holy Communion. Spanish or English, it’s just a bad, bad song.

    Of course, Anthem also has to rank among the worst. Most, if not all, of Spirit and Song should have been on that list, the worst ones being Here I Am (waiting like a lover), Your Words Are Spirit and Life and Celebrate Youth. Of course, Bob Hurd has some other bad pieces like “Ven al Banquete/Come to the Feast” and “O Love of God/O Amor de Dios”.

    There is also that horrible “I, Myself, am the Bread of Life”, which is almost heretical. “Be Not Afraid” is also another bad song.

    Bob Hurd and Ken Canebo’s Mass of Glory ranks as one of the worst, along with Bernadette Farrel’s work.

    OCP did a lot of damage (and still continues to wreak havoc on the liturgy. GIA is not far behind.

    Robster
    July 13th, 2010 | 5:28 pm

    Anything set to Beethoven’s “Ode to Joy.” I love Beethoven’s Ninth, but the lyrics of the hymns/songs set to the tune get gooier each time. I almost go into hyperglycemic shock with each new setting.
    Not all old hymns are great; not all new songs are bad. From the best and worst list I can point out ones that have enhanced my worship; others that have not (unless they are considered a sort of penance).

    JALM
    July 14th, 2010 | 2:12 am

    I agree with Peter S. Pescador de hombres in spanish is a good song. Translations and the other bilingual songs are terrible.

    Michelle
    July 14th, 2010 | 11:17 pm

    JALM, you would change your mind if you heard it every day for Communion, and worse, on our diocesan radio station during its live Sunday Mass broadcast from the Cathedral where the Mariachi band sings it ad naseum.

    It is a horrible song. It is about me, me, me and mentions the Lord as an after-thought. It is banal, tripe and should be torn out of the missalettes.

    Stephen
    July 14th, 2010 | 11:35 pm

    You all missed it. The all time worst still remains, “Joy is like the Rain.”

    The Sister of St. Joseph nun, Sr. Stephanie, the school and parish music director, was especially fond of corralling first and second graders into the auditorium that doubled as the Mass hall to teach us all the new songs. She was tall and skinny, and would sail up and down the aisle, arms moving up and down as if she was trying to go airborne, with wimple as wings. But she was doing her earnest best encouraging us to join in to improve our “participation” skills in advance of our First Holy Communion. First it was Sons of God for communion, then her favorite for the opening processional, “It’s a Long road to Freedom.”

    It’s a long, long road to Freeeedom,
    A winding steep and high.
    But when you walk in love
    With the wind on your wings,
    and cover the earth with the songs you sing,
    the miles fly by.

    but then we moved to her favorite for any part of the Mass:

    I saw raindrops on my window
    Joy is like the rain.
    Laughter runs across my pane
    Slips away and comes again.
    Joy is like the rain.

    We had, of course, the comfort to know that all this was approved by the Pope.

    Michelle
    July 15th, 2010 | 12:03 am

    I think that the good folks at First Things, as a nod to +Fr. Richard John Neuhaus, should probably include the entire repertoire that was selected for that awful DC Nationals Stadium Mass. If there is a hall of shame for bad “liturgical” music, all of those selections should be inducted. I will never forget the angst that poor Fr. Neuhaus was experiencing throughout that whole “cultural mish-mash”. The only good thing was that poor Pope Benedict XVI finally got a handle on how poor the music is here.

    Pat
    July 18th, 2010 | 11:42 pm

    A friend sent me this list of “10 worst hymns.” Being unfamiliar with the website I don’t know what perspective the compilers have, but I must say that my first reaction is to be surprised at the list itself and, particularly, by the vitriole and all-around nastiness displayed by many of the readers’ comments. Having been a church musician for over 30 years, I didn’t realize how negative it can get in the pews from those being asked to join in singing these and other “contemporary” hymns. I guess I need to see a list of “good” hymns to understand what these commenters are looking for in a hymn. Are they embittered Latin lovers, Jesuit haters, musical snobs, or what? I am familiar with all but the #1 worst hymn, and they don’t seem that bad to me; some I like quite a bit, as Suzanne Toolan’s “I Am the Bread of Life.”

    Der Tommissar
    July 19th, 2010 | 4:39 am

    Someone mentioned “peace is flowing like a river”.

    I remember that from the late 70′s early 80′s as a child.

    I distinctly remember thinking the lines, “flowing out into the desert/setting all the captives free” had something to do with the Tehran hostage crisis.

    Reginald Smith
    July 20th, 2010 | 1:18 am

    I had to stop reading the responses less than half way down — popular topic.
    As I saw many mention, I hate and will not sing any song that is about US rather than our Lord.

    The first song in our parish that made me notice this was:
    “Come Let Us Build”. It was sung at every Mass for fund-raising purposes.
    Not only did I disagree with the words but I couldn’t take it seriously because the tune sounded too much like “One Tin Solder”!

    Cee
    July 20th, 2010 | 10:50 am

    Sir,
    Thank you for this post. Would you know if there is a blog or similar which has analysed all these hymns (songs?) mentioned and provided reasons why they are so bad? Many of the hymns listed are real favourites in our parish and as we try to re-train our choirs and musicians to something more appropriate we need something more to go on than just “10 Worst Hymns”. A lot has been written about Gregorian chant and the older hymns and why we should be singing them but how do we judge the other hymns? Apart from what Ms. Thomas has mentioned, what other parameters may we use to say that one hymn is better than another or more appropriate for Mass? Are the lyrics wrong? What about the music? Please help. Thank you.

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