Preamble
Christians are heirs of a 2,000-year tradition of proclaiming God’s word, seeking justice in our societies, resisting tyranny, and reaching out with compassion to the poor, oppressed and suffering.
While fully acknowledging the imperfections and shortcomings of Christian institutions and communities in all ages, we claim the heritage of those Christians who defended innocent life by rescuing discarded babies from trash heaps in Roman cities and publicly denouncing the Empire’s sanctioning of infanticide. We remember with reverence those believers who sacrificed their lives by remaining in Roman cities to tend the sick and dying during the plagues, and who died bravely in the coliseums rather than deny their Lord.
After the barbarian tribes overran Europe, Christian monasteries preserved not only the Bible but also the literature and art of Western culture. It was Christians who combated the evil of slavery: Papal edicts in the sixteenth and seventeenth centuries decried the practice of slavery and first excommunicated anyone involved in the slave trade; evangelical Christians in England, led by John Wesley and William Wilberforce, put an end to the slave trade in that country. Christians under Wilberforce’s leadership also formed hundreds of societies for helping the poor, the imprisoned, and child laborers chained to machines.
In Europe, Christians challenged the divine claims of kings and successfully fought to establish the rule of law and balance of governmental powers, which made modern democracy possible. And in America, Christian women stood at the vanguard of the suffrage movement. The great civil rights crusades of the 1950s and 60s were led by Christians claiming the Scriptures and asserting the glory of the image of God in every human being regardless of race, religion, age or class.
This same devotion to human dignity has led Christians in the last decade to work to end the dehumanizing scourge of human trafficking and sexual slavery, bring compassionate care to AIDS sufferers in Africa, and assist in a myriad of other human rights causes—from providing clean water in developing nations to providing homes for tens of thousands of children orphaned by war, disease and gender discrimination.
Like those who have gone before us in the faith, Christians today are called to proclaim the Gospel of costly grace, to protect the intrinsic dignity of the human person and to stand for the common good. In being true to its own calling, the call to discipleship, the church through service to others can make a profound contribution to the public good.
Declaration
We, as Orthodox, Catholic, and Evangelical Christians, have gathered, beginning in New York on September 28, 2009, to make the following declaration, which we sign as individuals, not on behalf of our organizations, but speaking to and from our communities. We act together in obedience to the one true God, the triune God of holiness and love, who has laid total claim on our lives and by that claim calls us with believers in all ages and all nations to seek and defend the good of all who bear his image. We set forth this declaration in light of the truth that is grounded in Holy Scripture, in natural human reason (which is itself, in our view, the gift of a beneficent God), and in the very nature of the human person. We call upon all people of goodwill, believers and non-believers alike, to consider carefully and reflect critically on the issues we here address as we, with St. Paul, commend this appeal to everyone’s conscience in the sight of God.
While the whole scope of Christian moral concern, including a special concern for the poor and vulnerable, claims our attention, we are especially troubled that in our nation today the lives of the unborn, the disabled, and the elderly are severely threatened; that the institution of marriage, already buffeted by promiscuity, infidelity and divorce, is in jeopardy of being redefined to accommodate fashionable ideologies; that freedom of religion and the rights of conscience are gravely jeopardized by those who would use the instruments of coercion to compel persons of faith to compromise their deepest convictions.
Because the sanctity of human life, the dignity of marriage as a union of husband and wife, and the freedom of conscience and religion are foundational principles of justice and the common good, we are compelled by our Christian faith to speak and act in their defense. In this declaration we affirm: 1) the profound, inherent, and equal dignity of every human being as a creature fashioned in the very image of God, possessing inherent rights of equal dignity and life; 2) marriage as a conjugal union of man and woman, ordained by God from the creation, and historically understood by believers and non-believers alike, to be the most basic institution in society and; 3) religious liberty, which is grounded in the character of God, the example of Christ, and the inherent freedom and dignity of human beings created in the divine image.
We are Christians who have joined together across historic lines of ecclesial differences to affirm our right—and, more importantly, to embrace our obligation—to speak and act in defense of these truths. We pledge to each other, and to our fellow believers, that no power on earth, be it cultural or political, will intimidate us into silence or acquiescence. It is our duty to proclaim the Gospel of our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ in its fullness, both in season and out of season. May God help us not to fail in that duty.
Life
So God created man in his own image, in the image of God he created him; male and female he created them. Genesis 1:27
I have come that they may have life, and have it to the full. John 10:10
Although public sentiment has moved in a pro-life direction, we note with sadness that pro-abortion ideology prevails today in our government. The present administration is led and staffed by those who want to make abortions legal at any stage of fetal development, and who want to provide abortions at taxpayer expense. Majorities in both houses of Congress hold pro-abortion views. The Supreme Court, whose infamous 1973 decision in Roe v. Wade stripped the unborn of legal protection, continues to treat elective abortion as a fundamental constitutional right, though it has upheld as constitutionally permissible some limited restrictions on abortion. The President says that he wants to reduce the “need” for abortion—a commendable goal. But he has also pledged to make abortion more easily and widely available by eliminating laws prohibiting government funding, requiring waiting periods for women seeking abortions, and parental notification for abortions performed on minors. The elimination of these important and effective pro-life laws cannot reasonably be expected to do other than significantly increase the number of elective abortions by which the lives of countless children are snuffed out prior to birth. Our commitment to the sanctity of life is not a matter of partisan loyalty, for we recognize that in the thirty-six years since Roe v. Wade, elected officials and appointees of both major political parties have been complicit in giving legal sanction to what Pope John Paul II described as “the culture of death.” We call on all officials in our country, elected and appointed, to protect and serve every member of our society, including the most marginalized, voiceless, and vulnerable among us.
A culture of death inevitably cheapens life in all its stages and conditions by promoting the belief that lives that are imperfect, immature or inconvenient are discardable. As predicted by many prescient persons, the cheapening of life that began with abortion has now metastasized. For example, human embryo-destructive research and its public funding are promoted in the name of science and in the cause of developing treatments and cures for diseases and injuries. The President and many in Congress favor the expansion of embryo- research to include the taxpayer funding of so-called “therapeutic cloning.” This would result in the industrial mass production of human embryos to be killed for the purpose of producing genetically customized stem cell lines and tissues. At the other end of life, an increasingly powerful movement to promote assisted suicide and “voluntary” euthanasia threatens the lives of vulnerable elderly and disabled persons. Eugenic notions such as the doctrine of lebensunwertes Leben (“life unworthy of life”) were first advanced in the 1920s by intellectuals in the elite salons of America and Europe. Long buried in ignominy after the horrors of the mid-twentieth century, they have returned from the grave. The only difference is that now the doctrines of the eugenicists are dressed up in the language of “liberty,” “autonomy,” and “choice.”
We will be united and untiring in our efforts to roll back the license to kill that began with the abandonment of the unborn to abortion. We will work, as we have always worked, to bring assistance, comfort, and care to pregnant women in need and to those who have been victimized by abortion, even as we stand resolutely against the corrupt and degrading notion that it can somehow be in the best interests of women to submit to the deliberate killing of their unborn children. Our message is, and ever shall be, that the just, humane, and truly Christian answer to problem pregnancies is for all of us to love and care for mother and child alike.
A truly prophetic Christian witness will insistently call on those who have been entrusted with temporal power to fulfill the first responsibility of government: to protect the weak and vulnerable against violent attack, and to do so with no favoritism, partiality, or discrimination. The Bible enjoins us to defend those who cannot defend themselves, to speak for those who cannot themselves speak. And so we defend and speak for the unborn, the disabled, and the dependent. What the Bible and the light of reason make clear, we must make clear. We must be willing to defend, even at risk and cost to ourselves and our institutions, the lives of our brothers and sisters at every stage of development and in every condition.
Our concern is not confined to our own nation. Around the globe, we are witnessing cases of genocide and “ethnic cleansing,” the failure to assist those who are suffering as innocent victims of war, the neglect and abuse of children, the exploitation of vulnerable laborers, the sexual trafficking of girls and young women, the abandonment of the aged, racial oppression and discrimination, the persecution of believers of all faiths, and the failure to take steps necessary to halt the spread of preventable diseases like AIDS. We see these travesties as flowing from the same loss of the sense of the dignity of the human person and the sanctity of human life that drives the abortion industry and the movements for assisted suicide, euthanasia, and human cloning for biomedical research. And so ours is, as it must be, a truly consistent ethic of love and life for all humans in all circumstances.
Marriage
The man said, “This is now bone of my bones and flesh of my flesh; she shall be called woman, for she was taken out of man.” For this reason a man will leave his father and mother and be united to his wife, and they will become one flesh. Genesis 2:23-24 This is a profound mystery—but I am talking about Christ and the church. However, each one of you also must love his wife as he loves himself, and the wife must respect her husband. Ephesians 5:32-33 In Scripture, the creation of man and woman, and their one-flesh union as husband and wife, is the crowning achievement of God’s creation. In the transmission of life and the nurturing of children, men and women joined as spouses are given the great honor of being partners with God Himself. Marriage then, is the first institution of human society—indeed it is the institution on which all other human institutions have their foundation. In the Christian tradition we refer to marriage as “holy matrimony” to signal the fact that it is an institution ordained by God, and blessed by Christ in his participation at a wedding in Cana of Galilee. In the Bible, God Himself blesses and holds marriage in the highest esteem.
Vast human experience confirms that marriage is the original and most important institution for sustaining the health, education, and welfare of all persons in a society. Where marriage is honored, and where there is a flourishing marriage culture, everyone benefits—the spouses themselves, their children, the communities and societies in which they live. Where the marriage culture begins to erode, social pathologies of every sort quickly manifest themselves. Unfortunately, we have witnessed over the course of the past several decades a serious erosion of the marriage culture in our own country. Perhaps the most telling—and alarming—indicator is the out-of-wedlock birth rate. Less than fifty years ago, it was under 5 percent. Today it is over 40 percent. Our society—and particularly its poorest and most vulnerable sectors, where the out-of-wedlock birth rate is much higher even than the national average—is paying a huge price in delinquency, drug abuse, crime, incarceration, hopelessness, and despair. Other indicators are widespread non-marital sexual cohabitation and a devastatingly high rate of divorce.
We confess with sadness that Christians and our institutions have too often scandalously failed to uphold the institution of marriage and to model for the world the true meaning of marriage. Insofar as we have too easily embraced the culture of divorce and remained silent about social practices that undermine the dignity of marriage we repent, and call upon all Christians to do the same.
To strengthen families, we must stop glamorizing promiscuity and infidelity and restore among our people a sense of the profound beauty, mystery, and holiness of faithful marital love. We must reform ill-advised policies that contribute to the weakening of the institution of marriage, including the discredited idea of unilateral divorce. We must work in the legal, cultural, and religious domains to instill in young people a sound understanding of what marriage is, what it requires, and why it is worth the commitment and sacrifices that faithful spouses make.
The impulse to redefine marriage in order to recognize same-sex and multiple partner relationships is a symptom, rather than the cause, of the erosion of the marriage culture. It reflects a loss of understanding of the meaning of marriage as embodied in our civil and religious law and in the philosophical tradition that contributed to shaping the law. Yet it is critical that the impulse be resisted, for yielding to it would mean abandoning the possibility of restoring a sound understanding of marriage and, with it, the hope of rebuilding a healthy marriage culture. It would lock into place the false and destructive belief that marriage is all about romance and other adult satisfactions, and not, in any intrinsic way, about procreation and the unique character and value of acts and relationships whose meaning is shaped by their aptness for the generation, promotion and protection of life. In spousal communion and the rearing of children (who, as gifts of God, are the fruit of their parents’ marital love), we discover the profound reasons for and benefits of the marriage covenant.
We acknowledge that there are those who are disposed towards homosexual and polyamorous conduct and relationships, just as there are those who are disposed towards other forms of immoral conduct. We have compassion for those so disposed; we respect them as human beings possessing profound, inherent, and equal dignity; and we pay tribute to the men and women who strive, often with little assistance, to resist the temptation to yield to desires that they, no less than we, regard as wayward. We stand with them, even when they falter. We, no less than they, are sinners who have fallen short of God’s intention for our lives. We, no less than they, are in constant need of God’s patience, love and forgiveness. We call on the entire Christian community to resist sexual immorality, and at the same time refrain from disdainful condemnation of those who yield to it. Our rejection of sin, though resolute, must never become the rejection of sinners. For every sinner, regardless of the sin, is loved by God, who seeks not our destruction but rather the conversion of our hearts. Jesus calls all who wander from the path of virtue to “a more excellent way.” As his disciples we will reach out in love to assist all who hear the call and wish to answer it.
We further acknowledge that there are sincere people who disagree with us, and with the teaching of the Bible and Christian tradition, on questions of sexual morality and the nature of marriage. Some who enter into same- sex and polyamorous relationships no doubt regard their unions as truly marital. They fail to understand, however, that marriage is made possible by the sexual complementarity of man and woman, and that the comprehensive, multi-level sharing of life that marriage is includes bodily unity of the sort that unites husband and wife biologically as a reproductive unit. This is because the body is no mere extrinsic instrument of the human person, but truly part of the personal reality of the human being. Human beings are not merely centers of consciousness or emotion, or minds, or spirits, inhabiting non-personal bodies. The human person is a dynamic unity of body, mind, and spirit. Marriage is what one man and one woman establish when, forsaking all others and pledging lifelong commitment, they found a sharing of life at every level of being—the biological, the emotional, the dispositional, the rational, the spiritual—on a commitment that is sealed, completed and actualized by loving sexual intercourse in which the spouses become one flesh, not in some merely metaphorical sense, but by fulfilling together the behavioral conditions of procreation. That is why in the Christian tradition, and historically in Western law, consummated marriages are not dissoluble or annullable on the ground of infertility, even though the nature of the marital relationship is shaped and structured by its intrinsic orientation to the great good of procreation.
We understand that many of our fellow citizens, including some Christians, believe that the historic definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman is a denial of equality or civil rights. They wonder what to say in reply to the argument that asserts that no harm would be done to them or to anyone if the law of the community were to confer upon two men or two women who are living together in a sexual partnership the status of being “married.” It would not, after all, affect their own marriages, would it? On inspection, however, the argument that laws governing one kind of marriage will not affect another cannot stand. Were it to prove anything, it would prove far too much: the assumption that the legal status of one set of marriage relationships affects no other would not only argue for same sex partnerships; it could be asserted with equal validity for polyamorous partnerships, polygamous households, even adult brothers, sisters, or brothers and sisters living in incestuous relationships. Should these, as a matter of equality or civil rights, be recognized as lawful marriages, and would they have no effects on other relationships? No. The truth is that marriage is not something abstract or neutral that the law may legitimately define and re-define to please those who are powerful and influential.
No one has a civil right to have a non-marital relationship treated as a marriage. Marriage is an objective reality—a covenantal union of husband and wife—that it is the duty of the law to recognize and support for the sake of justice and the common good. If it fails to do so, genuine social harms follow. First, the religious liberty of those for whom this is a matter of conscience is jeopardized. Second, the rights of parents are abused as family life and sex education programs in schools are used to teach children that an enlightened understanding recognizes as “marriages” sexual partnerships that many parents believe are intrinsically non- marital and immoral. Third, the common good of civil society is damaged when the law itself, in its critical pedagogical function, becomes a tool for eroding a sound understanding of marriage on which the flourishing of the marriage culture in any society vitally depends. Sadly, we are today far from having a thriving marriage culture. But if we are to begin the critically important process of reforming our laws and mores to rebuild such a culture, the last thing we can afford to do is to re-define marriage in such a way as to embody in our laws a false proclamation about what marriage is.
And so it is out of love (not “animus”) and prudent concern for the common good (not “prejudice”), that we pledge to labor ceaselessly to preserve the legal definition of marriage as the union of one man and one woman and to rebuild the marriage culture. How could we, as Christians, do otherwise? The Bible teaches us that marriage is a central part of God’s creation covenant. Indeed, the union of husband and wife mirrors the bond between Christ and his church. And so just as Christ was willing, out of love, to give Himself up for the church in a complete sacrifice, we are willing, lovingly, to make whatever sacrifices are required of us for the sake of the inestimable treasure that is marriage.
Religious Liberty
The Spirit of the Sovereign LORD is on me, because the LORD has anointed me to preach good news to the poor. He has sent me to bind up the brokenhearted, to proclaim freedom for the captives and release from darkness for the prisoners. Isaiah 61:1
Give to Caesar what is Caesar’s, and to God what is God’s. Matthew 22:21
The struggle for religious liberty across the centuries has been long and arduous, but it is not a novel idea or recent development. The nature of religious liberty is grounded in the character of God Himself, the God who is most fully known in the life and work of Jesus Christ. Determined to follow Jesus faithfully in life and death, the early Christians appealed to the manner in which the Incarnation had taken place: “Did God send Christ, as some suppose, as a tyrant brandishing fear and terror? Not so, but in gentleness and meekness..., for compulsion is no attribute of God” (Epistle to Diognetus 7.3-4). Thus the right to religious freedom has its foundation in the example of Christ Himself and in the very dignity of the human person created in the image of God—a dignity, as our founders proclaimed, inherent in every human, and knowable by all in the exercise of right reason.
Christians confess that God alone is Lord of the conscience. Immunity from religious coercion is the cornerstone of an unconstrained conscience. No one should be compelled to embrace any religion against his will, nor should persons of faith be forbidden to worship God according to the dictates of conscience or to express freely and publicly their deeply held religious convictions. What is true for individuals applies to religious communities as well.
It is ironic that those who today assert a right to kill the unborn, aged and disabled and also a right to engage in immoral sexual practices, and even a right to have relationships integrated around these practices be recognized and blessed by law—such persons claiming these “rights” are very often in the vanguard of those who would trample upon the freedom of others to express their religious and moral commitments to the sanctity of life and to the dignity of marriage as the conjugal union of husband and wife.
We see this, for example, in the effort to weaken or eliminate conscience clauses, and therefore to compel pro- life institutions (including religiously affiliated hospitals and clinics), and pro-life physicians, surgeons, nurses, and other health care professionals, to refer for abortions and, in certain cases, even to perform or participate in abortions. We see it in the use of anti-discrimination statutes to force religious institutions, businesses, and service providers of various sorts to comply with activities they judge to be deeply immoral or go out of business. After the judicial imposition of “same-sex marriage” in Massachusetts, for example, Catholic Charities chose with great reluctance to end its century-long work of helping to place orphaned children in good homes rather than comply with a legal mandate that it place children in same-sex households in violation of Catholic moral teaching. In New Jersey, after the establishment of a quasi-marital “civil unions” scheme, a Methodist institution was stripped of its tax exempt status when it declined, as a matter of religious conscience, to permit a facility it owned and operated to be used for ceremonies blessing homosexual unions. In Canada and some European nations, Christian clergy have been prosecuted for preaching Biblical norms against the practice of homosexuality. New hate-crime laws in America raise the specter of the same practice here.
In recent decades a growing body of case law has paralleled the decline in respect for religious values in the media, the academy and political leadership, resulting in restrictions on the free exercise of religion. We view this as an ominous development, not only because of its threat to the individual liberty guaranteed to every person, regardless of his or her faith, but because the trend also threatens the common welfare and the culture of freedom on which our system of republican government is founded. Restrictions on the freedom of conscience or the ability to hire people of one’s own faith or conscientious moral convictions for religious institutions, for example, undermines the viability of the intermediate structures of society, the essential buffer against the overweening authority of the state, resulting in the soft despotism Tocqueville so prophetically warned of.1 Disintegration of civil society is a prelude to tyranny.
As Christians, we take seriously the Biblical admonition to respect and obey those in authority. We believe in law and in the rule of law. We recognize the duty to comply with laws whether we happen to like them or not, unless the laws are gravely unjust or require those subject to them to do something unjust or otherwise immoral. The biblical purpose of law is to preserve order and serve justice and the common good; yet laws that are unjust—and especially laws that purport to compel citizens to do what is unjust—undermine the common good, rather than serve it.
Going back to the earliest days of the church, Christians have refused to compromise their proclamation of the gospel. In Acts 4, Peter and John were ordered to stop preaching. Their answer was, “Judge for yourselves whether it is right in God’s sight to obey you rather than God. For we cannot help speaking about what we have seen and heard.” Through the centuries, Christianity has taught that civil disobedience is not only permitted, but sometimes required. There is no more eloquent defense of the rights and duties of religious conscience than the one offered by Martin Luther King, Jr., in his Letter from a Birmingham Jail. Writing from an explicitly Christian perspective, and citing Christian writers such as Augustine and Aquinas, King taught that just laws elevate and ennoble human beings because they are rooted in the moral law whose ultimate source is God Himself. Unjust laws degrade human beings. Inasmuch as they can claim no authority beyond sheer human will, they lack any power to bind in conscience. King’s willingness to go to jail, rather than comply with legal injustice, was exemplary and inspiring.
Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s.
Dr. Daniel Akin President, Southeastern Baptist Theological Seminary (Wake Forest, NC)
Most Rev. Peter J. Akinola Primate, Anglican Church of Nigeria (Abika, Nigeria)
Randy Alcorn Founder and Director, Eternal Perspective Ministries (EPM) (Sandy, OR)
Rt. Rev. David Anderson President and CEO, American Anglican Council (Atlanta, GA)
Leith Anderson President of National Association of Evangelicals (Washington, DC)
Charlotte K. Ardizzone TV Show Host and Speaker, INSP Television (Charlotte, NC)
Kay Arthur CEO and Co-founder, Precept Ministries International (Chattanooga, TN)
Dr. Mark L. Bailey President, Dallas Theological Seminary (Dallas, TX)
His Grace, The Right Reverend Bishop Basil Essey The Right Reverend Bishop of the Diocese of Wichita and Mid-America (Wichita, KS)
Joel Belz Founder, World Magazine (Asheville, NC)
Rev. Michael L. Beresford Managing Director of Church Relations, Billy Graham Evangelistic Assn. (Charlotte, NC)
Ken Boa President, Reflections Ministries (Atlanta, GA)
Joseph Bottum Editor of First Things (New York, NY)
Pastor Randy & Sarah Brannon Senior Pastor, Grace Community Church (Madera, CA)
Steve Brown National radio broadcaster, Key Life (Maitland, FL)
Dr. Robert C. Cannada, Jr. Chancellor and CEO of Reformed Theological Seminary (Orlando, FL)
Galen Carey Director of Government Affairs, National Association of Evangelicals (Washington, DC)
Dr. Bryan Chapell President, Covenant Theological Seminary (St. Louis, MO)
Scott Chapman Senior Pastor, The Chapel (Libertyville, IL)
Most Rev. Charles J. Chaput Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Denver, CO
Timothy Clinton President, American Association of Christian Counselors (Forest, VA)
Chuck Colson Founder, the Chuck Colson Center for Christian Worldview (Lansdowne, VA)
Most Rev. Salvatore Joseph Cordileone Bishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Oakland, CA
Dr. Gary Culpepper Associate Professor, Providence College (Providence, RI)
Jim Daly President and CEO, Focus on the Family (Colorado Springs, CO)
Marjorie Dannenfelser President, Susan B. Anthony List (Arlington, VA)
Rev. Daniel Delgado Board of Directors, National Hispanic Christian Leadership Conference & Pastor, Third Day Missions Church (Staten Island, NY)
Dr. James Dobson Founder, Focus on the Family (Colorado Springs, CO)
Dr. David Dockery President, Union University (Jackson, TN)
Most Rev. Timothy Dolan Archbishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of New York, NY
Dr. William Donohue President, Catholic League (New York, NY)
Dr. James T. Draper, Jr. President Emeritus, LifeWay (Nashville, TN)
Dinesh D’Souza Writer & Speaker (Rancho Santa Fe, CA)
Most Rev. Robert Wm. Duncan Archbishop and Primate, Anglican Church in North America (Ambridge, PA )
Joni Eareckson Tada Founder and CEO, Joni and Friends International Disability Center (Agoura Hills, CA)
Dr. Michael Easley President Emeritus, Moody Bible Institute (Chicago, IL)
Dr. William Edgar Professor, Westminster Theological Seminary (Philadelphia, PA)
Brett Elder Executive Director, Stewardship Council (Grand Rapids, MI)
Rev. Joel Elowsky Drew University ( Madison, NJ)
Stuart Epperson Co-Founder and Chariman of the Board, Salem Communications Corporation ( Camarillo, CA)
Rev. Jonathan Falwell Senior Pastor, Thomas Road Baptist Church (Lynchburg, VA)
William J. Federer President, Amerisearch, Inc. (St. Louis, MO)
Fr. Joseph D. Fessio Founder and Editor, Ignatius Press (Ft. Collins, CO)
Carmen Fowler President & Executive Editor, Presbyterian Lay Committee (Lenoir, NC)
Maggie Gallagher President, Institute for Marriage and Public Policy and a co-author of The Case for Marriage (Manassas, VA)
Dr. Jim Garlow Senior Pastor, Skyline Church (La Mesa, CA)
Steven Garofalo Senior Consultant, Search and Assessment Services (Charlotte, NC)
Dr. Robert P. George McCormick Professor of Jurisprudence, Princeton University (Princeton, NJ)
Dr. Timothy George Dean and Professor of Divinity, Beeson Divinity School at Samford University (Birmingham, AL)
Thomas Gilson Director of Strategic Processes, Campus Crusade for Christ International (Norfolk, VA)
Dr. Jack Graham Pastor, Prestonwood Baptist Church (Plano, TX)
Dr. Wayne Grudem Research Professor of Theological and Biblical Studies, Phoenix Seminary (Phoenix, AZ)
Dr. Cornell “Corkie” Haan National Facilitator of Spiritual Unity, The Mission America Coalition (Palm Desert, CA)
Fr. Chad Hatfield Chancellor, CEO. And Archpriest, St Vladimir’s Orthodox Theological Seminary (Yonkers, NY)
Dr. Dennis Hollinger President and Professor of Christian Ethics, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (South Hamilton, MA)
Dr. Jeanette Hsieh Executive VP and Provost, Trinity International University (Deerfield, IL)
Dr. John A. Huffman, Jr. Senior Pastor, St. Andrews Presbyterian Church (Newport Beach, CA) and Chairman of the Board, Christianity Today International (Carol Stream, IL)
Rev. Ken Hutcherson Pastor, Antioch Bible Church (Kirkland, WA)
Bishop Harry R. Jackson, Jr. Senior Pastor, Hope Christian Church (Beltsville, MD)
Fr. Johannes L. Jacobse President, American Orthodox Institute and Editor, OrthodoxyToday.org (Naples, FL)
Jerry Jenkins Chairman of the board of trustees for Moody Bible Institute (Black Forest, CO)
Camille Kampouris Publisher, Kairos Journal
Emmanuel A. Kampouris Editorial Board, Kairos Journal
Rev. Tim Keller Senior Pastor, Redeemer Presbyterian Church (New York, NY)
Dr. Peter Kreeft Professor of Philosophy, Boston College (MA) and at the Kings College (NY)
Most Rev. Joseph E. Kurtz Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Louisville, KY
Jim Kushiner Editor, Touchstone (Chicago, IL)
Dr. Richard Land President, The Ethics & Religious Liberty Commission of the SBC (Washington, DC)
Jim Law Senior Associate Pastor, First Baptist Church (Woodstock, GA)
Dr. Matthew Levering Associate Professor of Theology, Ave Maria University (Naples, FL)
Dr. Peter Lillback President, The Providence Forum (West Conshohocken, PA)
Dr. Duane Litfin President, Wheaton College (Wheaton, IL)
Rev. Herb Lusk Pastor, Greater Exodus Baptist Church (Philadelphia, PA)
His Eminence Adam Cardinal Maida Archbishop Emeritus, Roman Catholic Diocese of Detroit, MI
Most Rev. Richard J. Malone Bishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Portland, ME
Rev. Francis Martin Professor of Sacred Scripture, Sacred Heart Major Seminary (Detroit, MI)
Dr. Joseph Mattera Bishop & Senior Pastor, Resurrection Church (Brooklyn, NY)
Phil Maxwell Pastor, Gateway Church (Bridgewater, NJ)
Josh McDowell Founder, Josh McDowell Ministries (Plano, TX)
Alex McFarland President, Southern Evangelical Seminary (Charlotte, NC)
Most Rev. George Dallas McKinney Bishop, & Founder and Pastor, St. Stephen’s Church of God in Christ (San Diego, CA)
Rt. Rev. Martyn Minns Missionary Bishop, Convocation of Anglicans of North America (Herndon, VA)
Dr. C. Ben Mitchell Graves Professor of Moral Philosophy, Union University (Jackson, TN)
Dr. R. Albert Mohler, Jr. President, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (Louisville, KY)
Dr. Russell D. Moore Senior VP for Academic Administration & Dean of the School of Theology, Southern Baptist Theological Seminary (Louisville, KY)
Most Rev. John J. Myers Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Newark, NJ
Most Rev. Joseph F. Naumann Archbishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Kansas City, KS
David Neff Editor-in-Chief, Christianity Today (Carol Stream, IL)
Tom Nelson Senior Pastor, Christ Community Evangelical Free Church (Leawood, KS)
Niel Nielson President, Covenant College (Lookout Mt., GA)
Most Rev. John Nienstedt Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Saint Paul and Minneapolis, MN
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Marvin Olasky Editor-in-Chief, World Magazine and provost, The Kings College (New York City, NY)
Most Rev. Thomas J. Olmsted Bishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Phoenix, AZ
Rev. William Owens Chairman, Coalition of African-American Pastors (Memphis, TN)
Dr. J.I. Packer Board of Governors’ Professor of Theology, Regent College (Canada)
Metr. Jonah Paffhausen Primate, Orthodox Church in America (Syosset, NY)
Tony Perkins President, Family Research Council (Washington, D.C.)
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Dr. Everett Piper President, Oklahoma Wesleyan University (Bartlesville, OK)
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Dr. Cornelius Plantinga President, Calvin Theological Seminary (Grand Rapids, MI)
Dr. David Platt Pastor, Church at Brook Hills (Birmingham AL)
Rev. Jim Pocock Pastor, Trinitarian Congregational Church (Wayland, MA)
Fred Potter Executive Director & CEO, Christian Legal Society (Springfield, VA)
Dennis Rainey President, CEO, & Co-Founder, FamilyLife (Little Rock, AR)
Fr. Patrick Reardon Pastor, All Saints’ Antiochian Orthodox Church (Chicago, IL)
Bob Reccord Founder, Total Life Impact, Inc. (Suwanee, GA)
His Eminence Justin Cardinal Rigali Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Philadelphia, PA
Frank Schubert President, Schubert Flint Public Affairs (Sacramento, CA)
David Schuringa President, Crossroads Bible Institute (Grand Rapids, MI)
Tricia Scribner Author (Harrisburg, NC)
Dr. Dave Seaford Senior Pastor, Community Fellowship Church (Matthews, NC)
Alan Sears President, CEO, & General Counsel, Alliance Defense Fund (Scottsdale, AZ)
Randy Setzer Senior Pastor, Macedonia Baptist Church (Lincolnton, NC)
Most Rev. Michael J. Sheridan Bishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Colorado Springs, CO
Dr. Ron Sider Director, Evangelicals for Social Action (Wynnewood, PA)
Fr. Robert Sirico Founder, Acton Institute (Grand Rapids, MI)
Dr. Robert Sloan President, Houston Baptist University (Houston, TX)
Charles Stetson Chairman of the Board, Bible Literacy Project (New York, NY)
Dr. David Stevens CEO, Christian Medical & Dental Association (Bristol, TN)
John Stonestreet Executive Director, Summit Ministries (Manitou Springs, CO)
Dr. Joseph Stowell President, Cornerstone University (Grand Rapids, MI)
Dr. Sarah Sumner Professor of Theology and Ministry, Azusa Pacific University (Azusa, CA)
Dr. Glenn Sunshine Chairman of the history department of Central Connecticut State University (New Britain, CT)
Luiz Tellez President, The Witherspoon Institute (Princeton, NJ)
Dr. Timothy C. Tennent Professor, Gordon-Conwell Theological Seminary (South Hamilton, MA)
Michael Timmis Chairman, Prison Fellowship and Prison Fellowship International (Naples, FL)
Mark Tooley President, Institute for Religion and Democracy (Washington, D.C.)
H. James Towey President, St. Vincent College (Latrobe, PA)
Juan Valdes Middle and High School Chaplain, Flordia Christian School (Miami, FL)
Todd Wagner Pastor, WaterMark Community Church (Dallas, TX)
Dr. Graham Walker President, Patrick Henry Univ. (Purcellville, VA)
Alexander F. C. Webster Archpriest, Orthodox Church in America and Associate Professorial Lecturer, The George Washington University (Ft. Belvoir, VA)
George Weigel Distinguished Senior Fellow, Ethics and Public Policy Center (Washington, D.C.)
David Welch Houston Area Pastor Council Executive Director, US Pastors Council (Houston, TX)
Dr. James White Founding and Senior Pastor, Mecklenberg Community Church (Charlotte, NC)
Dr. Hayes Wicker Senior Pastor, First Baptist Church (Naples, FL)
Mark Williamson Founder and President, Foundation Restoration Ministries/Federal Intercessors (Katy, TX)
Dr. Craig Williford President, Trinity International University (Deerfield, IL)
Dr. John Woodbridge Research professor of Church History & the History of Christian Thought, Trinity Evangelical Divinity School (Deerfield, IL)
Don M. Woodside Performance Matters Associates (Matthews, NC)
Dr. Frank Wright President, National Religious Broadcasters (Manassas, VA)
Most Rev. Donald W. Wuerl Archbishop, Roman Catholic Archdiocese of Washington, D.C.
Paul Young COO & Executive VP, Christian Research Institute (Charlotte, NC)
Dr. Michael Youssef President, Leading the Way (Atlanta, GA)
Ravi Zacharias Founder and Chairman of the board, Ravi Zacharias International Ministries (Norcross, GA)
Most Rev. David A. Zubik Bishop, Roman Catholic Diocese of Pittsburgh, PA
Comments:
I abhor what the Church has done historically. It has often brutally treated people in the name of Christ, and such treatment was always incompatable with the dictates of the New Testament.
At the same time, the Church as a body, and belivers in general, need not preface every statement they make with an apology, any more than the United States government or any other government prefaces missives to another nation whom they have squared off against in a war with constant apologies.
It would be like the Secretary of State beginning her call to the Japanese Foreign Minister with "Good afternoon, Sir. Once again, my deepest apologies for the atrocities we committed by dropping the atomic bomb on Hiroshima and Nagasaki. I know we have no right, as a result of those terrible things to say anything to you, but..." It won't happen, and it shouldn't have to happen. A heartfelt apology is sufficient.
Further, the Church today, while inheriting the legacy (for good or for ill) of the many crimes of her children of an earlier age, is no more responsible for the Crusades or burning people at the stake than an officer in the US Army is today for the firebombing of Dresden, Germany in WWII.
Apologies have their place, and we Christians should apologize perhaps more than most, but we need to preface everything we do with an apology, so long as our actions TRULY reflect the life, teaching, and person of Jesus Christ.
My hats off to the framers of the Manhattan Declaration.
The opening paragraphs seemed enticing enough, but I finished pretty disappointed. The whole ideology of there being no gray in these lines of thought is a little disheartening. Especially with admitting to "the imperfections and shortcomings of Christian institutions and communities in all ages..." I'd think a different approach would be taken in the views listed.
The message as it stands is that there is no good in it. This thought can only lead to hate and anguish amongst both parties. This isn't constructive or loving, whatsoever.
This is such a charming way of belittling those countless human beings who have sacrificed enormously to fight for equal treatment under the law, to persuade their friends and family that who they are is not shameful and wrong, to demonstrate to the world that marriage should not be a legal benefit conferred on those favored by popular prejudice.
This is--to my eyes--a characteristically Christian way of slipping disdain and contempt for those who disagree into ostentatiously self-righteous rhetoric under the guise of moral calls-to-action. It is ugly, and it is wrong.
Christian history spans 2,000+ years, and the entire globe. To send your words back at you, does any rational person accept your four short words as "an adequate and accurate description" of something that is so vast?
This group of people are pathetic and sad.
Do you understand that Christians have, for thousands of years, been engaged in a continual process of reflection, repentance, confession, and apology regarding our own sins, both individually and corporately? It is long past time for us to be forced at every turn to begin every conversation with paragraphs and pages of contrition, as though we had not once ever acknowledged responsibility for "unspeakable brutality and savagery."
Rather than graciously acccepting this confession, you and others of your ilk manipulate us into continuing to bow to your supposed moral superiority, rather than respectfully allowing us to engage in life-giving ministry and mission.
Get over yourself, and move on. Life with Jesus is better than life without Him.
I must then question their assertion that our culture of death began with Roe, when war, with Christian participation and often leadership, has contributed to a perverted notion of life for many years and still does today. The omission of war in this declaration (is it not a "current" topic?) also leads me to question whether the authors are truly stepping out of political lines.
Does any of the signatories, in his/her wildest fantasies, believe any thinking, rational person will accept this as an adequate and accurate description of what was, in fact, unspeakable brutality and savagery?
Yes, if they reject the distorted and false secular narrative of the Enlightenment and its predecessors, which have been ably rebutted in several books over the last number of years, including those authored by Rodney Stark, Robert Royal, and David Bentley Hart. Hart's Atheist Delusions is a devastating tome in which he skewers the fairy tales of the New Atheists such as Dawkins and Harris.
The thinking exhibited by Charles is precisely what frightens Christians. Once it becomes a part of our social DNA--that Christians, left to their own devices, are irredeemably wicked--then there is a "compelling state interest" for marginalization and persecution, supported and encouraged by the state. We've seen the beginnings of it with the Catholic Charities cases in Massachusetts and California as well as the post-Prop 8 bullying. (see http://www.heritage.org/research/family/bg2328.cfm ). When the leading writers of secularity--Dawkins, Dennett, and Harris--equate Christian belief with something akin to mental illness or immorality, and when the Supreme Court believes that Christian sexual morality and those views aligned with it in other faiths and philosophical traditions must be born of animus, you have the perfect culture recipe to justify state coercion of the most abhorrent sort.
The whole point of being a Leftist devoted to what is (basically) antichristianity, is that no apology is ever asked (since the follower of antichrist is always right, and always sinless) and, more importantly, no apology is ever accepted (since a follower of Christ is always wrong, and can never be redeemed). This is merely the Left's inversion of a Christian doctrine of sin and forgiveness. They never admit sin, they never ask for forgiveness, and, more importantly, never grant it.
"Is war not also a major contributor to our culture of death?"
Again, since respect for the the light of human reason (and awareness of its limitations) is part of Christian doctrine and tradition, the Leftist followers of antichristianity both (with no sense of self contradiction)
(1) dismiss the idea that there are any limitations on human reason -- see their many confident statements adorned with much boosterism for the glories of human progress, or see their self-congratulatory self-label as the reality-based community --- and
(2) at the same time abandon any pretense that human reason is effective --- as here, where an irrelevant comment about warfare is introduced in what logicians identify as the informal logical error of ad hominem. The enthymeme goes as follows: 1. Christian say abortion, euthanasia, adultery, fornication, and sodomy are wrong. 2. War is also wrong; 3. Only someone who has never engaged in a war has the right to condemn anything as wrong; 4. All human cultures, including Christian ones, have frequently engaged in wars; therefore 5. Christians have no right to condemn abortion, euthanasia, adultery, fornication and sodomy; therefore 6. Abortion, euthanasia, adultery, fornication and sodomy are not wrong.
If you notice, dear readers, not just one or two, but the overwhelming majority of all "argument" coming from the Left is merely ad hominem. They no longer even make a pretense of referring to the facts or supplying the logic of their conclusions. All they do is condemn as morally and mentally inferior those who reach any other conclusions.
Reason 1. Baby's don't shoot back. They are no threat and are not trying to be.
Reason 2. The justification for war is usually claimed to be collective self-defense. The justification for abortion is sloth.
Reason 3. It is easier to believe in a society surviving without abortion then without war. That is not necessarily an excuse but it is at least an extenuation.
Reason 4. War is killing simply. Abortion is killing added to base treachery. It makes mothers into murderers and doctors into hired killers.
Reason 5. That argument works just as well the other way. Why are people anti-war yet support abortion?
Reason 6. Babies don't shoot back. Need I repeat?
Who are you to judge? People said the same thing about interracial marriage. And now you're applying the same labels to those who defend the ground for opposing interracial marriage, male/female complementarity.
But... if things are ugly, then things are beautiful. But such judgments require more than mere sentiment or empirical observation. They require an intellectual power to see the normative in the ordinary; to see intrinsic purposes. But that is precisely what must be denied in order to affirm same-sex marriage, since male-female complementary so obviously true that you need a theory to talk yourself out of it. And that theory, unfortunately, leads to this: one man's ugliness is another's aesthetic fullfilling experience. The skepticism card always remains in your deck even after play it.
I'm not playing an either/or game. Many things feed into our culture of death and war is just one of the BIG ones. The term "culture of death" was coined not only in reference to the innocent of our society, but our (us) sinners as well. Christian respect for life not only applies to the unborn or the dying, but to the poor, the imprisoned, and yes, those who shoot at us. Christ dealt with persecutors and his message was to pray for them and to break bread with them.
We don't have to argue whether abortion or war is a more important or more Christian issue. I would argue that they are both important. As Christians, we can step out of political platforms and declare "Death is wrong." Amazing how such a seemingly basic and secular statement is precisely Christ's countercultural message. It's also amazing that so few say it. I am simply disappointed that our Christian leaders who signed on to this declaration have such a limited view of the Christian struggle for life.
As to the comment made in regard to the second sentance, Let's get real and put things into perspective. Truer evil was never known than that which sought eradication of a moral conscience and seeks to destroy that Which God created in his masterpiece, MAN.
Let us not unravel what these people sought to create. Instead let us rally around the opportunity to work together and bring us closer together...that is certainly the WILL OF GOD.
"This is such a charming way of belittling those countless human beings who have sacrificed enormously to fight for equal treatment under the law, to persuade their friends and family that who they are is not shameful and wrong, to demonstrate to the world that marriage should not be a legal benefit conferred on those favored by popular prejudice.
This is--to my eyes--a characteristically Christian way of slipping disdain and contempt for those who disagree into ostentatiously self-righteous rhetoric under the guise of moral calls-to-action. It is ugly, and it is wrong."
First, there is nothing belittling about calling people to repentance, especially since it is the same repentance we all share in. And they are no more or less "shameful and wrong" than any of the rest of us that have been convicted of our sin and brought to our knees at the Cross.
Next, marriage is not a set of legal benefits, nor is it some special reserved "class." Marriage is, quite simply, the oldest covenant before God of which we are aware. It is, therefore, a religious institution, a sacrament no less sacred than the advent of the Lord's Supper and no less dear to the global community of Christians than the face of Muhammad is to the Islamic community. That the state has chosen to confer legal status on couples who have entered into this covenant is troublesome at its foundation to me, simply because it is a legal recognition of a religious faith. Separate the two, such that marriage remains exclusively a covenant before God and any legal concerns the exclusive province of Earthly government, and for me the problem is solved. Anything beyond that in either direction is an infringement of one world upon the other.
In any case, your use of the words "characteristically Christian" when heaping contempt on our beliefs simply reveals your own prejudice. See to the plank in your own eye and all that.
Please accept my thanks for your response. I really appreciate your willingness to engage my thinking and offer yours. Socrates spoke of the pleasures of contemplation and conversation. Intelligent, thoughtful, civil discourse is just above air in my hierarchy of needs, so again, thank you.
In response to your second paragraph: Neither the framers of the declaration nor I say "apologize." Their phrase ". . . imperfections and shortcomings . . ." is neither accurate nor adequate. It is, for all practical purposes, a meaningless acknowledgement; the distance between "imperfections and shortcomings" and reality is just too great.
Shakespeare wrote, with breathtaking elegance "Damn with faint praise." Are the framers of the Declaration praising with faint damnation?
I agree and I also say, hats off to the framers of the Manhattan Declaration and of course those who believe otherwise have a right to agree to disagree and God will eventually set U>S all straight as to what He Truly Believes .
In the mean time!
Peace to all people of good will who have all fallen short of God's Love as sinners that we are.
God Bless
Every time the US government speaks, should it be required to apologize for the destruction of Native American culture? Should it be required to apologize for the firebombing of cities such as Dresden and Tokyo during WWII or the use of nuclear weapons in Japan? Should Germany preface all its official declarations with an apology for the Holocaust? Should Japan still be begging China to forgive it for the Rape of Nanking (amongst many other wrongs from that era)? How about Islam? I can think of more than a few wrongs that haunt its past, so should Muslim leaders always be required to apologize for those? Should your average Muslim be required at every profession of his faith to beg America's forgiveness for the horror of 9/11?
I could go on, but I suspect that my point - that Christians should not be required to apologize over and over and over again for wrongs that were committed in the name of their faith, often centuries before they were born - is already quite clear.
Early Christians were set apart from the pagan counterparts by many reasons one of the main ones was the value Christians placed up each person simply because of their humanity.
For so-called Christians to abandon the 2000 years of Christian understanding and aceed to worldly demands simply because it is popular is a horrible scandal.
Abortion is an evil whose social consequence we are only just beginning to see and understand. It debases all that is human as does the idea the being human can and should be reduced simply to what or whom sexually attracts us and the pernicious idea that human life can be valued solely in utilitarian terms.
There is a righteous use of even deadly physical force, there is no justification for the wanton destruction of life simply because said life is 'inconvienent' or 'unproductive'.
Each of us is deformed by sin and that deformation affects all of us even from the womb. That does not mean that we are not called to submit such sins to the healing love of Jesus Christ even if they seem 'natural' to us.
The document calls us all to live a more exacting life of virtue and repentance while at the same time proclaiming the Gospel to the world.
I cheerfully signed it and encourage others to do the same even though I know it will require a deeper repentance for my own sins and will cost me more money too--as I evaluate my health insurance for instance.
Believers are being being confronted by what seems to be certain national destruction ahead. I would rather stand and die for truth as well described in the Manhattan Declaration than die like, "the frog in the kettle." In the 20th Century more people were killed by declared Atheists than in all the truly religious wars of history. Nothing has changed.
I whole-heartedly oppose the Papacy and the errors of Orthodoxy and American Evangelicalism, and I heartily embrace this statement and am please to add my name to it.
When the house is on fire, one grabs buckets of water from whomever and wherever one cans.
Dear Jesus,
Please forgive my sins and all others sins as we stand in the final days of our worlds current existence!
It is evident that we are in the final days by what is occurring all around us!
For some of us there will be great tribulations to exist if you are not called!
I am far from perfect as you can get but, I will never be able to deny God!
God bless these men of God for making a stand!
May the Trinity abide with us all!
Many of these people listed above, such as James Dobson, oppose workers' rights and are pro-corporate.
Where was this grand pronouncement to protect the unborn and children when George W. Bush was bombing and murdering children and pregnant women in Iraq?
Where was this grand pronouncement when innocent people were tortured by the Bush administration at Guantanamo Bay?
James Madison, "Property, March 1792
...In the former sense, a man's land, or merchandize, or money is called his property.
In the latter sense, a man has a property in his opinions and the free communication of them.
He has a property of peculiar value in his religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them.
He has a property very dear to him in the safety and liberty of his person.
He has an equal property in the free use of his faculties and free choice of the objects on which to employ them.
In a word, as a man is said to have a right to his property, he may be equally said to have a property in his rights.
...That is not a just government, nor is property secure under it, where arbitrary restrictions, exemptions, and monopolies deny to part of its citizens that free use of their faculties, and free choice of their occupations, which not only constitute their property in the general sense of the word; but are the means of acquiring property strictly so called.
If there be a government then which prides itself in maintaining the inviolability of property; which provides that none shall be taken directly even for public use without indemnification to the owner, and yet directly violates the property which individuals have in their opinions, their religion, their persons, and their faculties; nay more, which indirectly violates their property, in their actual possessions, in the labor that acquires their daily subsistence, and in the hallowed remnant of time which ought to relieve their fatigues and soothe their cares, the influence [inference?] will have been anticipated, that such a government is not a pattern for the United States.
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Because you may not violate the “peculiar value” of a person’s “religious opinions, and in the profession and practice dictated by them,” you do not have the right to deny gays from marrying -- just as you have no right to deny the married from divorcing. You can not impose your religious beliefs on those who hold a different opinion.
So all the argument made against LGBT issues like gay marriage hold true for divorce. And because you, the co-signers, and “traditional” Christians do not treat these issues with the same intense opposition, then your Biblical and Constitutional hypocrisy forces me into to be your adversary.
You want to win me over? Push against divorce with equal vigor and voice. Prove to me you take Biblical commandments and threats to the family with true seriousness. After all, how is the American Family, or the American Soul made better in a world with legalized divorce but a prohibition against gay marriage?
A wonderful step in the right direction. Time to take a stand.
Next comes the battle.
There are bad guys out there.
When the aggressor comes, it is good that there are brave defenders willing to put their life on the line.
What would you prefer? Tyranny?
Because that is the result if nobody defends against the aggressor.
I'm certainly glad that you, as a secularist, share the values spoken of in the Manhattan Declaration. Perhaps there will one day be a joining together of religious and non-religious on these concerns. I hope, though, that you realize that the grounds for such a joining together would be somewhat different than those that brought the Christians of the Declaration together. The consequents would be the same, but they would proceed from different premises. Much in the current debate over these topics takes a distinctly anti-Christian tone; even now, people within the "culture of death" are working on legal rationales to overturn "culture of life" victories by claiming they institute Christianity as a state religion ... thus effectively stripping Christians—and like-minded non-Christians!—of their right to have a say in their government. We definitely welcome your support, however, for "He that is not against us is for us" (Mk 9:40).
Not to interrupt your rant, but in your apparent zeal to focus in on the condemnation of same-sex marriage, you missed several condemnations of divorce. Therefore, your peroration was somewhat anticlimactic. Moreover, as interesting as your quotation of J. Madison was, you've missed another point: No homosexual is denied the right of marriage; rather, we hold that "same-sex marriage" is a contradiction in terms.
1) Though the language referrring to gay & lesbian people is couched in somewhat softer/gentler/kinder terms than have often been used over the years, the negative impact on gay & lesbian couples and families is the same. The writers are clearly opposed to equal treatment under the law for gay/lesbian couples and their children. It seems disingenuous to speak of love for my neighbor and to then stand in opposition to his/her right to full participation in civil society and it's institutions. The reference to "polyamorous conduct and relationships" strikes me as simple fear-mongering.
2)The declaration makes much ado about religious liberty, which it seems to me is quite secure in this country. Anti-discrimination laws typically exempt religious institutions, allowing them to freely discriminate according to their beliefs. The problem arises when faith-based institutions take public money but then don't want to provide services to all of the public. If you take public funds, you simply have to follow the local anti-discrimination statutes. So, if Catholic Charities wants to discriminate against gay/lesbian people, then they should refuse public dollars and fund their own ministries. Seems simple enough to me. --- And what about the lack of religious liberty afforded to those christian pastors/congregations who would like to be able to marry same-sex couples on a par with their straight congregants? The declaration stands in opposition to their religious liberty.
3)As a peace & justice minded, Mennonite, christian, it is incredible to me that the writers speak so extensively about pro-life issues but somehow ignore the state-sanctioned killing of people via war and capital punishment. Seems to me that a consistent pro-life ethic would include all the above. Contrary to the post by Michael Bauman, I can't conceive of a "righteous use of even deadly force," in the light of Jesus' teachings and example.
Your accusation of hypocrisy rings hollow. That is a nasty word that people toss around far too lightly. I don't doubt that you are aware that the people who signed that document, and most of the people on this blog, oppose divorce as a sinful action, either in all circumstances or in most circumstances.
The difference between divorce and homosexuality is that, first of all, it is a far simpler thing to keep people apart who want to engage in an illicit union with each other, than it is to keep people together who wish to remain apart. This is true for a number of reasons, which I'm not going to get into right now but I'm sure you can use your own internal reasoning to figure it out.
But also, divorce has been accepted by the general public in this country for a long time, and there is no realistic chance of the laws being tightened against those who do not take their vows seriously. Whereas, gay "marriage" is far less accepted by our society, and so what we're doing is trying to stop things from getting worse before they do, as we have a realistic chance of winning those battles.
As for your take on religious freedom, you might want to reconsider your all-or-nothing approach to liberty. Any of Madison's statements, if taken as comprehensive, would lead to absolute anarchy. Religious freedom, like all other freedoms, must be understood in context. It is a thing with definite boundaries. For instance, a man who believes he is religiously obligated to kill his neighbor is not therefore given license to do so.
For the Christian, all of life is religion. But all of life is not what the Founding Fathers were thinking of when they granted religious liberty. Nor is it what most people mean today. But then what does it mean? I have some ideas of my own, but instead of getting into it, I'm just going to encourage you to look deeper into the question yourself.
http://manhattandeclaration.org/index.php
I would concur also with JTJ that the Islamic community should not be omitted from a grand coalition against paganism, and with James Nuechterlein that non-evangelical Protestants should receive an explicit welcome. I would laud the Mormons as well for their wonderfully effective effort in the fight for Proposition 8.
Finally, let me second the Rev. Paul T. McCain that “When the house is on fire, one grabs buckets of water from whomever and wherever ….”
Liberals/Progressives - as a former adherent to your ideology, I implore you to examine historical truth and reconcile your findings with your better instincts. Study the Bible - you may discover the greatest epiphany of your life.
1. Nowhere does it state it is against interracial marriage or against minorities; it's not. In fact, it quotes Martin Luther King Jr. Seeing life solely through the prism of race is the result of 30 + years of marxist propaganda. If all you have is a hammer, everything looks like a nail.
2. It does not come out against gay "marriage" because Christians hate gays. (Some so-called "Christians" may, indeed, hate gays, but they are not genuine Christians.) The declaration comes out against gay "marriage" because it seeks to prevent the government from making a sacrament of the church illegal. In a secular society--as we are--homosexuals are entitled to full rights under the law, through civil means. But the word, "marriage", must not be redefined. If that were to happen, the government would, in essence, be making Christianity illegal. The declaration is a preemptive strike against that idea. You wouldn't want to redefine the word, "murder", either, would you?
3. This call to action is not limited to Christians alone. Unfortunately, the document missed a great opportunity to make that more explicit by stating that the acceptance of abortion has, in reality, de-sanctified everyone's life. Acceptance of abortion is a symptom of a deadly, underlying societal disease under which everyone's life may be sacrificed at the altar of utilitarianism. The Manhattan Declaration is, in fact, pro-life: yours, mine--everyone's. I personally feel it could have reached out farther to enlist other people of good will, who also realize this, but it is what it is.
4. It is not against providing care to the weakest in society; it is against creating inhuman, utilitarian edifices that would subject the dignity and sacredness of human life to the demands of the political "bottom line". As Christians, we don't value a human life in terms of dollars and cents; politicians do--especially if their careers hang in the balance. For evidence of this you need look no farther than the NHS in the UK, which is a veritable meat-grinder of rationing, death and inhumanity. Do we really want this for our children? For the elderly? The weak? The poor? There are more humane and creative ways to care for our fellow man, without losing our humanity and our freedom.
5. I would also point out--as kindly as I can--that a proliferation of sects who believe in sola scriptura has resulted in a vast population of christians who are traveling farther and farther away from the original bedrock of doctrine. The Bible is not whatever you may happen to think it is; the Bible is what the church fathers and ecumenical councils determined it to be--1500 to 2000 years ago.
Thanks kindly for your response. I think it should be borne well in mind that there is a classical philosophical foundation, which wants to protect the archetypal images of Mankind; to keep the genders in their distinctness and all their concreteness; to recognize the eternal patterns of historical man; to grant to the male its supremacy in matters of chasteness; to keep to tradition for philosophical reasons; to pay homage to ancestry and to favor a nationalism and regionalism over a soft globalism; and to lay claim to the acceptable Platonic images of the eternal in man. This, without needing to care if Church and State are separated: Let them remain so; these still hold. When one uses philosophy to bolster up tradition and to shore up boundaries, there can be no separation of Church and state argument to drive the wedge in. Natural Law and the idea of "God" are actually Thomistic concepts and are philosophical rather than purely religious. They are an opponent in a psychological sense, as well, to the modern psychology movement. Many so-called "secularists" do not go along with a good 80% of what has been done in their name, and a great deal more.
We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. --That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it..."
Insofar as current policies and powers stand against the very sentiments of Christian conscience, in spirit there is already a separation that could become a first cause leading to dissolution of political bands, but pray it not become so. Nonetheless, a true alteration of government is required from within, meaning a repentant spiritual renewal of the people of the nation, who are still indeed "the government." This Manhattan Declaration is an important step in that direction because it is a concise statement of leadership that can be taken up by all who rightly adhere to its tenets in good faith.
Gratitude is always more effective than bitterness.
Perhaps our Creator, in his mercy, will indeed then "hear from heaven and forgive their sin, and heal their land".
That may be a valid political excuse, but it utterly fails as a Christian excuse. The declaration itself demonstrates that (conservative) Christians believe God's laws to be above those of the Constitution, regardless of public opinion -- except for divorce. How easy it is to become a "cafeteria" Christian...
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Larry Miller and others who may agree with him: Respectfully, marriage is not a political or civil rights football to be tossed about. It is not a term that should be elasticized either. Too often those of us who support traditional marriage cave in to the modern idea that the marriage "battle" needs to be fought on the field of "equal rights." But not everything can be equal in this world. For instance, in a perfectly fair and equal world, blind people would be entitled to drive, regardless. But the physical reality of their situation doesn't permit it. In the case of marriage, the Manhattan Declaration eloquently makes the central point with which I totally agree: marriage is an sexual bond across the male/female divide, not one between members of the same sex. The word marriage denotes that special and unique bond. Marriage isn't about equal rights; it is about a biological (among other things) intercourse between opposites, about a union of the two. Only that kind of union can (notice I didn't say "must") naturally produce progeny. That reality isn't a legal point, it is a physical fact of nature and thus cannot be subject mandates of equality under man-made law. Attempts to change the definition of marriage, to expand it and dilute it, are unacceptable to many of us for this basic reason. That gay couples want to have a means of legalizing their relationships is undeniable, but for that purpose we have -- already -- civil unions.
Forgive me again Jesus but why did You not tell them the whole truth when they passed You that coin? You surely knew that Your Father owned everything but still You were willing to give some of His Blessings to Caesar. What Love? Go Figure!
I would love to go on and on but what good would we get out of throwing rocks at each other "My Lord and My God"?
I'll close by saying that although I won't sign this document I still want to compliment everyone who has signed this historic document but now, who will remind you all that your Soul and Spirit are on the line and may God and His Angels have mercy on all U>S (usual sinners) flesh.
Peace
To those who think this is crazy or not our right....it is our freedom of religion NOT to accept the unacceptable. It is in no way in conflict with separation of church and state because that is the biggest misnomer perped on society in the last 35 years. The separation of church and state was to keep the state our of our churches. And the state has crossed over that line big time.
Again, thank you all for doing what we have been praying for for so long! Together we must be as Christians!
Thank you, Mr. George, thank you Arb Wuerl, thank you all Christians for this!
Fr. Lyons' general point--that the Church is not necessarily responsible for the mistakes of her individual children--is a good one. Unfortunately, he also repeats the widespread, but profoundly mistaken, notion that the crusades were a "crime."
They were not. They were a step in the natural development of Christian attempts, over many centuries, to stem the tide of Muslim onslaughts against Christianity which had begun in the 7th century and had been carried out continually up until the time of the crusades...and beyond.
Crusade historians today generally recognize the role that crusading played in this wider picture of Christianity's attempts to defend itself. Unfortunately, we (I am myself a crusade historian) have not done a very good job of educating the general public on our subject of study.
I recommend reading Thomas Madden's excellent book A New Concise History of the Crusades to get a better sense of what really happened in the crusades. An even shorter, but very good, book is Jonathan Riley-Smith's What Were the Crusades?, now in its 4th edition.
Unless one thinks that Americans, Britons and Canadians need to apologize to Germans for June 6, 1945, then Christians need feel no imperative to apologize for the crusades. Like the Normandy invasion, the crusades were attempts to fend off attacks, liberate conquered peoples, and recover lost territory. Like the Normandy invasion, the crusades saw much bloodshed and, doubtless, much cruelty on both sides.
But unless defense of oneself, one's religion, and one's fellows is a crime, then the crusades were not a crime, and need no apologies.
Many in the Church have forgotten, or ignored, what believers in the past have endured to faithfully and rigourously speak the truth.
Of course, those more enamoured of the fellowship of gates of hell would seek to oppose - as evidenced by some of the above comments - but, greater is He that is in us than he that is in the world.
God bless.
Trust me, I am not a lutheran but that gave me pause as I was quickly scrolling through comments people left.
Last type I glimpsed those already around the throne of God, they were of all kindreds, tongues and peoples....didn't see any lutherans, on the other hand, didn't see any catholics either...just a whole lot of people in white robes...awaiting...I think...the rest of us.
Be careful
The Lord proved His love for the sinner when He died for us on the cross, He loves the sinner and hates the sin. Denying responsibility in our sin doesn't make it go away only admitting it and repenting of it. Our nation is at the brink and only repenting and turning to Him can bring it back.
Christain pricnciples are foundation stones of our life on this earth, Lord Jesus Christ
son of God, Savior have mercy on us, In name of The Father, Son and Holy Ghost!
I WILL GAVE MY LIFE FOR HIM .MY LORD AND SAVIOUR.
WAYNE BUTLER NEW JERSEY
Thank you, thank you, thank you!
The people objecting that war should be included are free to their beliefs about war -- but the people who wrote the declaration don't agree, and they wrote it.
The people who wrote the declaration do not agree on divorce, so they did not put it in because the declaration is about what they do agree on.
The people who wrote the declaration had to limit their numbers at some point, so one would expect that (given the thousands of Christian denominations) some Christians who would like to be counted among them got left out. There is really no reason to be surprised that Muslims and secularists were not included among the drafters of a Christian document -- and there is no reason to suppose that they would not be gratefully welcomed among the supporters of its conclusions.
It seems to me ungracious to demand that a document be about what the reader wants it to be about, rather than what the writers want it to be about, and to prefer that different people had written it. Either you read it and agree, glad that SOMEONE wrote it, or you read it and disagree, angry at WHOEVER wrote it.
I'm just sayin'.
Much of the "comments" are of no value. Similar to the time of LuthMartin Luther (10 November 1483 – 18 February 1546) initiated the Protestant Reformation.[1] As a priest and theology professor, he confronted indulgence salesman John Tetzel with his The Ninety-Five Theses in 1517.
Corrupting God's word and God's will is sinful. Trying to replace God's will with man's is sinful. Therefore listening to the misguided comments helps me understand the phrase "many will be called but few will be chosen." We live a life of free will, a life of choices, everything you are or ever will be is a result of the choices you make. Spend your choices wisely according to both the Old Testament and New Testament.
Many are at peace with God's word. Many are tormented and may never be at peace. That is just the way it is. Read the Book of Job. Read Joshua.
I see the end of the United States of America unless we as a nation recognize that the falling away from the values as set forth by G-D, and reiterated by the founding fathers, and take positive action to return to these values.
Make no mistake.........G-D will not be mocked!
"It is ironic that those who today assert a right to kill the unborn, aged and disabled and also a right to engage in immoral sexual practices,..."
Geez, what nuttiness. I understand that abortions are contentious so I will pass on the phrase "kill the unborn" but the nonsense about killing the aged and disabled is just plain paranoid stupid cult nonsense. And, I do mean cult. Just because Christianity has lots of members doesn't mean it isn't a cult. I frankly don't see it any different than Scientology, just a bunch of nonsense with a good dose of childish self-centeredness.
And, there are millions of citizens who don't want this religious stuff shoved down our throats. I certainly don't want our government contradicting what I tell my children. This is still America and we have the right to ignore and be free from the inappropriate demands and constant whining of religious cults seeking special rights.
this country has a goal to dismantle our country as founded by our Founders. A moral and right society is one that has the experience deadicated to profound study of
human behavior. Our founders were of many faiths, and founded America under GOD
Does this mean that signers of the Manhattan Declaration are unilaterally against civil unions, or are there cases where they would consider civil unions given "conscious protections"?
Appreciate someone clarifying this one point. Thanks
evils which are being promoted now are an abomination promoted by
"humans" to process their own laws and ignore God"s Laws.
READ THE BIBLE AND FIND OUT.
Like many of my friends, I was afraid to speak out against this totalitarianism for fear I'd lose business. More and more though, I am gaining the courage to speak out like these brave people. As they say, my first allegiance is to God.
Rev. Jim Nite, Senior Pastor, Center Point Community Church, Naples, Florida
The international community also prosecutes war crimes by way of international tribunal for those responsible for the misuse, mistreatment or killing of the innocent under declaration of war.
Regretably, within our civilian culture, the same misuse, mistreatment and killing of the innocent is encouraged and promoted with great zeal.
Sign me up and reserve me a place at the gallows, if needed.
I am perfectly happy for any state to outlaw abortion on moral grounds who also outlaws war, preparation for war, and all related mechanisms and institutions of state sanctioned murder. Until they do, all this jawing about abortion just kills women who are prevented from getting medically supervised abortions. The main result of outlawing abortions is the radical increase in infanticide... same as the outlawing of divorce increases spousal murder and suicide.
Outlawing contraception and abortion is just an attempt to outlaw sex. I guarantee that this will be a total failure - always has been. always will be. Might as well try to pass a law against gravity.
Another point: Saying that if you allow (which you have no authority to allow or disallow anything to begin with...especially something that was not created by you) gay marriage that you then have to allow polygamy and incest marriages or unions is DISGUSTINGLY closeminded and rediculous. First off...in the exact same passages that you find verses to clobber homosexuality, the Bible approves of polygamy, in fact, the beloved King David and Solomon had many wives and concubines and God NEVER said anything against that. So therefore you shouldn't have a problem with that anyway. Secondly: It has been proven that incest is HIGHLY harmful psychologically and if children result from such a relationship, they have physical problems and deformaties. So...such unions should not be allowed.
That it's..I'm done. Remember: Practice what you preach!
And the Lord said . . "And will not God bring about justice for his chosen ones, who cry out to him day and night? Will he keep putting them off? I tell you, he will see that they get justice, and quickly. However, when the Son of Man comes, will he find faith on the earth?"
I'm sure all of us would be interested in seeing such a list. Any time in the next decade or so would be all right.
This is the culmination of a continuous assult against Christian principles over the past sixty years and the realization that there are those who wish to make it impossible for Christians to follow Christ.
Randal, Chicago
We all have access. You can believe man or you can choose God. What do you Choose? God's bottom line is 1 John 5:11. Your eternal life depends on it.
The Federal Government doesn't even try to follow the Constitution?
How can my property belong to Caesar to commit murder, pillage, and robbery? The Federal Government no longer protects life, liberty, and property; it deliberately kills, incarcerates and steals from the innocent.
Do I stop paying taxes? Do I go into exile?
Greek Orthodox Archdiocese
Woe to those who call evil good, and good evil,
who change darkness into light, and light into darkness,
who change bitter into sweet, and sweet into bitter!
Woe to those who are wise in their own sight, and prudent in their own esteem!
Woe to the champions at drinking wine,
the valiant at mixing strong drink!
To those who acquit the guilty for bribes,
and deprive the just man of his rights!
Therefore, as the tongue of fire licks up stubble,
as dry grass shrivels in the flame,
Even so their root shall become rotten
and their blossom scatter like dust;
For they have spurned the law of the Lord of hosts,
and scorned the word of the Holy One of Israel.
Isaiah 5:20-24
Thanks for your post. It was interesting to read your message. But here's a question: why can't people in your camp understand that hurling insults (hypocrite, etc.) at the opposition is not an argument? Try to rebut the opponents rather than denounce them.
You say: "Christianity for MILLENIA have (sic) been wrong and predjudice on serveral issues...why is not a possibilty that you are wrong about same-sex marriage?"
On what issues has Christianity been wrong and prejudiced for millennia? That is, other than in the opinion of those who don't like what the Church taught? I'm not aware of any "issues" of this sort on which the Church has admitted error. I'm told that the Church has objected to, for example, abortion and homosexuality from day one. St. Paul has some strong strictures about the latter.
Personally I feel that if unchurched gay people want to live together, let them. But I'm not about to recognize homosexual unions as just as good as heterosexual. I have what I think sound reasons for this. Does that make me a bigot?
I agree that this declaration is for individuals who share the same faith in GOD and Christ. We are here for a cause that we strongly believe in. So the question is for all non-believers, why do you waste your time here on this blog entitled a Manhattan Declaration for a call for Christian Conscience? Christian? Think about it. We don't need any more issues in this country. We are here to make a change. Stop worrying about the past and let's focus on the future. Make a difference now.
I will definitely sign this ASAP
GOD BLESS!!!
P.S. I will not respond to anyone's comments or disrespect. Thanks. Learn to agree to disagree.
And to those who rant on about Christians not wanting health care for every American???? Wow, how about a list of sick or injured people who have been denied medical care in this country over the past decade? I am not aware of any person being denied care. In fact if you care to enter any hospital you will see a sign that declares that this hospital is not allowed to deny you care, and they will give you whatever treatment that is necessary. Wake up, that is not what this health care bill is about at all.
I do wonder what difference this declaration will make, simply on the grounds of experience of years of ministry in this country, and witnessing so many “Christian’ leaders who have all ‘declared’ their strong faith and belief in God and His word, falling like rocks due to gross sins in their lives. Also my coming to know many others who admit to many daily sins in their lives, but continue to ‘fulfill the call of God’ to them to ‘equip the saints for works of service’. My bible clearly states that Christians have been set free from sin! In fact that is the very reason Jesus came was it not? She will give birth to a son and you will give him the name Jesus for He will save His people from their sin! {Mat. 1:21} Please notice, not save them from the consequences of their sin. Not until Christ’s followers repent [turn from their sins] will we see healing for this nation. [2 Chron. 7:14] Solomon said: you cannot whitewash your sins and get by with that, you find mercy by admitting them and leaving them! And Paul asked shall we continue to sin once we are Christ’s followers? His answer is easily understood……God forbid!! Wake up Christians! You are called to a life of holiness and righteousness and purity and beyond reproach and blamelessness etc etc. We are commanded to live as Christ lived, and if you don’t believe you can, then you are throwing the most wonderful gift God has for you right back in His face. Glad I will not be in your shoes on that day!!
How many of you original ‘signers’ tolerate sin in your lives? If you do then you are guaranteed to experience God’s wrath in one way or another. And He declares that He will not even hear your prayers if you tolerate sin in your life! Learn to hate sin as He does and you will begin to take the escape route that He has so graciously given you from every temptation. Fearing God is hating evil!
A Declaration by Christians taking a stand for life, for heterosexual marriage, and religious liberty does not need any apology before or after. Our Judeo-Christian ethic is the greatest force for good in the history of the World (Period). Furthermore, any advocacy for (1) socialism or (2) communism or (3) Shariah law or (4) an Islamic state or (5) segregation or (6) slavery is immoral. Progressives, the homosexual lobby, atheists, and Moslems cannot refute the Manhattan Declaration or any of the above except accuse us of bigotry (The last refuge of scoundrels) because they do not have a moral foundation to stand on.A Blessed Thanksgiving to all, Cheers!
http://kennebecjournal.mainetoday.com/news/local/7112507.html
"Juan Valdes Middle and High School Chaplain, Flordia Christian School (Miami, FL)"
Wow. Now that's a big name. I wonder if next time you can get the Middle and High School Chaplain from the Florida Christian School as opposed to the Flordia one mentioned here.
"Jim Law Senior Associate Pastor, First Baptist Church (Woodstock, GA)"
I hope the Junior Associate Pastor was not there. It's like the President and the VP; they simply should not travel in the same airplane.
"But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s."
Uh huh. Sure. I'm fully expecting Catholic neocon George Weigel to get in line with the Holy Father and the late "Witness to Hope" he wrote about on Iraq. Didn't think so. Weigel is God's good servant but the GOP's first.
I'm glad to see so many Anglicans signing off on this document. Marriage has been cheapened and divorce too common. Never mind that their church was based on serving Caesar and granting him a divorce. Stick a fork in it boys. You either join Gene Robinson and John Spong or you head back to Rome.
I know that Jesus said in so many words that if we want to be first, we should be last. I don’t know about most of you but I certainly don’t want to be first but as a Canadian, I could write a book on the injustices which have been done to me in my time and prove what I say at the same time. God says that we should forgive one another as quickly as we can but my Lord don’t you think that enough is enough?
I won’t get into the fact that my wife and I did our best to raise five girls and have always prayed for a good Canadian Government to support the family unit but while I was busy living and other families were busy working for the almighty dollar, our sins who honestly believed they are gods, were at work. And with the help of “The Sponsorship Issue” here in Canada, “same-sex-blessings” was passed and like Laura says in so many words, we should now just Shut UP, and learn to accept our punishment.
I ask “YOU BLESSED TRINITY” how many sinning gods must we worship nowadays. Is everything OK as long as the flesh agrees with the almighty dollar LORD?
That it's..I'm done. Remember: Practice what you preach! HEY MEN AND WOMAN?
God Bless,
Peace
Boria is correct, and it occurs to me I've never seen 1) an apology from homosexuals on behalf of their co-belligerents who treated then-Cardinal Ratzinger so shamefully (throwing things at the altar??) several years ago in New York; 2) an apology from all the atheists and the "progressives" and their mouthpieces like, say, the NY Time and the three networks, to the people of Russia and Eastern Europe for the studied journalistic indifference to the "unspeakable brutality and savagery" perpetrated by the likes of Stalin and other "enlightened" communist despots; 3) an apology from the major news outlets for their ongoing complicity in the endangering of American citizens by pandering to terrorists who have made it very clear that they are our enemies and intend to kill us.
I was immensely gratified to notice the Declaration was signed by my bishop.
The support of a Jewish Carpenter will do just fine.
One said that 1000 regular folks can make a better decision than a PhD (or a politician). Cheers!
I'm thankful for this declaration. Is it missing some things? Probably. But it's about time Christians get up. We've been stepped on for too long and something needs to happen. You may not agree, but you don't have to. We've been told we have to, but we're not going to.
P.S: When the Christian community does get up if it gets up, you will see that there is but a small remnant of us.
Let us be community in Christ, sharing the good news in word and deed.
Revd. Kevin J. Jean
Those who disagree are misreading Supreme Court case law on the subject of marriage: you are making the same mistake the New York Court points out in its recent decision. Discussing the Supreme Court precedents of Turner v. Safley, 482 U.S. 78 (1987); Zablocki v. Redhail, 434 U.S. 374 (1978); Loving v. Virginia, 388 U.S. 1 (1967); Griswold v. Connecticut, 381 U.S. 479 (1965); Skinner v. Oklahoma, 316 U.S. 535 (1942)
Judge Graffeo noted….
“To ignore the meaning ascribed to the right to marry in these cases and substitute another meaning in its place is to redefine the right in question and to tear the resulting new right away from the very roots that caused the U.S. Supreme Court and this Court to recognize marriage as a fundamental right in the first place.”2
Margo you are naive. Anyone can identy themselves as a Christian these days, as it's
easy to formulate a Jesus to your own ego satisfaction. A shameless marxist retreaded
ideology is not a friend of Christ, His church, and are proven to be unworthy of trust.
Obama is at the very least, a marxist sympathizer as witnessed by his track record,
his words, and without doubt his alliances.
Such a great forum and what a wonderful Declaration this is!
52,110 signatures at 11/23/09 16:34 EST.
Read, ponder, and sign.
http://manhattandeclaration.org/
May God Bless America and the future of our children.
about hardships that we must endure as followers of Christ. Christians througout the ages have suffered, only to make them stronger for Christ.
and his kingdom.
While the signatories certainly represent a wide range of perspectives, not everyone in the evangelical world who typically contributes to these types of ecumenical public policy collaboratives has endorsed the Manhattan Declaration.
Ron Sider, David Neff, Cornelius Plantinga and Sarah Sumner notwithstanding, I haven't noticed much support from the evangelical "moderate" camp (the constituency with which I tend to identify these days), including some who were instrumental in drafting last year's Evangelical Manifesto.
Noticeably absent from the Manhattan Declaration's signatories are names like Richard Mouw, David Gushee, Jim Skillen, Mark Noll, Dallas Willard, J.P. Moreland and Os Guinness. This doesn't mean it isn't an amazing feat of coalition-building (Neuhaus would be proud), but the narrow range of policy emphases could be a reason why some evangelicals have yet to sign on.
1) It is way too long.
2) The "culture of death" in the United States is rooted in our Revolutionary War and march to the West coast as a right under "manifest destiny." In our culture, we "fix" things by killing them.
3) Civil marriage is not the same as religious marriage. It is silly to equate opening civil marriage to all with a diminishment of religious marriage. My Catholic marriage of 33+ years, for example, would not be threatened if gay people participated in civil marriage. Civil marriage is a simple case of justice--to extend basic rights to gay couples. It is not a religious statement.
I wonder, did they (did you) read the entire thing? When posting your strong opinions, did you cite something specific in the document that you disagree with, and provide a good argument as to why?
So many seem to be negative towards anything Christian whatsoever, and might point in history to the Crusades or the Inquisition or mistreatment of scientists by the Catholic Church, but I wonder what Jesus has done to them, that makes them so mad against Him? All He's done is love you, die for you, and give you life. He continues to provide you with air to breathe, and another day to be thankful for (even if your name is Rom Houben -- the man who was mistakenly believed to be in a coma for 23 years).
Life is a precious gift, as is freedom of speech, political freedom, religious freedom, academic freedom, and so forth. Let's use these gifts for good, and not just to tear down things we have a grudge against. I believe that non-Christian beliefs (including many untrue beliefs within the Church) ultimately lead to heartache, frustration, harm and death -- but I would fight for the right of others to hold those beliefs, and feel safe and accepted within my society. Let's work together on the basis of common goals, and not tear one another down.
The Triune God has revealed Himself through the Holy Bible. If He expected us to abide by the Natural Law and "reason" he would not have given us the Judeo-Christian Law for our lives, starting with the 10 Commandments.
Please ponder this: If Man were born with reason, he would not need to go to school, would not need to be taught right from wrong, and would not need to be forgiven or forgive.
The greatest proponents of reason (Jean Jacques Rousseau, et al) brought us the reign of terror, socialism, communism, and totalitarianism... all for our own good! A bankrupt philosophy to say the least...
Have a Blessed Thanksgiving!
Cheers!
The Manhattan Declaration is "puff speak" written to fit into the lifestyle of 21st century evangelicals and designed to make the signers feel like they are standing for something as they go about their non-distinct, non-peculiar, non-transformed, day to day lives, blending into society rather than being a light in the darkness.
It is a feel-good document that really proves nothing.
It is a meaningless, pseudo-badge of honor to those who proudly sign it, thinking they are standing for God when it has been months since any one of them actually witnessed personally to a real lost person or attempted to win any one individual to the Lord or attempted to provide actual and practical help to a homeless person as Jesus commanded.
Let those who sign the Manhattan Declaration practice what they pompously preach.
Let those who sign the Manhattan Declaration adopt an unwanted, handicapped child!
Let those who sign it pay the hospital bill of a terminally ill cancer patient or an AIDS patient slowly dying for five years.
Let those who sign it volunteer 5 hours a week sitting with an Alzheimer's patient so the caregiver can have a few moments of cherished personal time to rest.
Let those who sign it put their money where their self-righteous mouth is.
"Self-righteous mouth," indeed.
It is time that we pray for our nation. God Bless
Cheers!
Margot Fernandez said: "Pure, simple bigotry hiding behind the Church."
Craig Payne says: "Q.E.D."
Ron Sider, David Neff, Cornelius Plantinga and Dennis Hollinger notwithstanding, I haven't noticed much support from the evangelical "moderate" camp, including some who were instrumental in drafting last year's Evangelical Manifesto.
Noticeably absent from the Manhattan Declaration's signatories are respected evangelical scholars like Richard Mouw, David Gushee, Jim Skillen, Mark Noll, Stephen Monsma, Nicholas Wolterstorff, Dallas Willard, J.P. Moreland and Os Guinness.
This doesn't mean it isn't an amazing feat of coalition-building (Neuhaus would be proud), but the narrow range of policy emphases could be a reason why some evangelicals have yet to sign on.
Christians all over the world die daily for a variety of trivial offenses. "That's how things went." That doesn't justify those ignorant actions or your less than intelligent opinion. You and I both have the right to practice our faith or lack thereof freely. Thank God, and God bless America for that.
God bless you as well prodigal one.
However, everyone treats Him (not her) like he is their own personal savior for their own religion or cause. Hence JIHAD. Why CAN'T WE ALL GET ALONG AND JUST OBEY THE TEN COMMANDMENTS, instead of bending them to fit our own personal needs? Almost every war has been fought over religious ideologies
Why is everybody right and by being wrong in doing so?
Philippians 1:6
WHICH MEANS WHY JUDGE WHAT YOU HAVE NO RIGHT TO JUDGE. BELIEVE WHAT YOU WISH AT YOUR OWN PERIL. THE WORDS WERE FROM THEIR HEARTS WITH LOVE AND DEVOTION TO BOTH GOD AND THEIR FELLOW MEN AND WOMEN AS THEY HAVE RECEIVED THEM FROM OUR GOD. IN THE END EVERYONE WILL CALL OUT HIS NAME BUT IT WILL BE TO LATE TO DEBATE WHAT HE HAS SAID BECAUSE HE WILL BE HERE TO JUDGE WHAT YOU DIDN'T ACCOMPLISH BASED ON HIS TEACHINGS. WE AS CHRISTIANS ARE EXPECTED TO GIVE IN ON ALL OTHERS BELIEFS AND ACTIONS BUT THAT PROMISE IS ONE SIDED AND WILL DESTROY THE VERY EXISTENCE OF OUR FAITH.
PRAISES BE UNTO THE KING ETERNAL BOTH TODAY AND ALWAYS.
KATHLEEN MCIVER
1. Thank you both, framers and signers, of the Manahattan Declaration for the courage and work it took to produce this fine, noble work.
2. We have been waiting for something like this so that we can work to support the reinforcement of the Principles expressed in it.
3. We will work to the death to support these Principles and will spread the word about the Manhattan Declaration to this family's friends, coworkers, neighbors, relatives and ask them to do the same.
4. We are absolutely committed, again, to the death, to not allow the perverts, bigots against the faiths that support these Principles, 'progressives,' libs/lefties, to get their way regarding abortion and homosexual 'marriage.'
[We cannot contain our curiosity as to why the unfortunate people who support killing babies and homosexual 'marriage' would read First Things. We can suppose that it is good, that someday the Truth will sink in to their confused heads.]
The website for the Manhattan Declaration, manhattandeclaration.org, is the first thing I will check tomorrow morning.
There should be no doubt in anyone's head that when we unite against the libs/lefties, WE WILL WIN!
Praise the Lord and pass the ammunition!
God Bless You All I am proud to stand with you in the name of reason and truth. Gary Stevenson Houston Texas
Diane and Gerald Knapp
Thank God you people at the top have stood up and said something with some spine in it.
God Bless you. GOD BLESS AMERICA
I personallt will support it,
Roger Willmore
It is time to confront cultural Christianity!!
Roger Willmore
"Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s."
Read Bishop Harry Jackson's column on the Manahattan Declaration at http://townhall.com/columnists/HarryRJacksonJr/2009/11/23/the_manhattan_declaration.
Truth always in Jesus Christ.
GOD let us love the sinner and hate the sin!!!
GOD BLESS AMERICA !
We must stop the government and all liberals and non-believers , from their attempt to take away our rights,power to speak, to practice our Faith . God is first in my life and that is what I live. I live for God, for Jesus christ and not for man. Let's stand tall and proud.
We are still weak and frail but the grace of God sustains us.
Joyce
When Jesus was crucified, the stage was set for us to have a Savior to put our faith.
This country needs to get back to Christain basics before it will be healed.
Terry
must not be moved . God has called us to be of good courage . ( Joshua 1: 9) "Have I not commanded you ? Be stong and of good courage; be not afraid , neither be thou dismayed : for the Lord your God is with you whithersoever you go."
Please pass this article on to friends, neighbors, coworkers, relatives so that we can let Washington know what we are prepared to do if they do not stop trying to force their perversions on us.
It is not true that homosexuals are denied the right to marry. They (you) can marry any person of the opposite sex they choose who will have them. That they (you) choose not to marry a person of the opposite sex is a choice they make. Their problem, and now ours, is they refuse to accept the consequences of their decision. It goes without saying, their (your) plea for tolerance comes from the most intolerant people on the planet. A typical, and shameless, double standard.
I attend Pastor Al Hougtons seminars which he gives about Jesus the Judge. His ministry is to educate Christians to call persons to pray for Jesus to honor His covenant to judge our enemies. Margaret (Peggy) Lester
DOES ANYONE DOUBT THAT THIS DECLARATION CLEARLY EXPRESSES WHAT MOST AMERICANS THINK ABOUT ABORTION AND HOMOSEXUAL 'MARRIAGE'?
It is only the occasional lib/lefty that stumbled on to this Declaration, as shown above, and they are incoherent and incapable of defending the standard lib/lefty line
www.manhattandeclaration.org
Amen!
this. We say Merry Christmas.
Matthew18:19
May the Lord bless you and GOD BLESS AMERICA.
That the Catholic leaders I enumerated above (and the others not so enumerated) are willing to join Protestant bretheren to sign what amounts to a manifesto in favor of bedrock Christian teaching is a sign that "enough is enough." They also seem aware that something has to be done about Notre Dame and the colleges "in the Jesuit tradition" entertaining pro-abortion politicos. Green shoots, one might say.
That amount of signers, some 50,000 to 60,000 in about 24 hours, if the rate holds, means that we could have an overwhelming number in the next few days. I have sent the Declaration to all of the people I know and hope that all of you can find the time and Inspiration to do the same.
They are the writings of James White & John Macarthur as to why they "would not" sign and 1 from Albert Mohler as to why "I did sign" (links below)
In my opinion...
I think they all have important & valid points and I could certainly hear the sincerity and conviction in Mohler's writing as he makes his argument as to why he chose to sign on. I appreciate his clear distinction between the Gospel and Romanism and I commend him for his courage in proclaiming the truth. Most evangelical leaders lack the knowledge and or guts to even go there.
.......but like MaCarthur points out...
"Instead of acknowledging the true depth of our differences, the implicit assumption (from the start of the document until its final paragraph) is that Roman Catholics, Eastern Orthodox, Protestant Evangelicals and others all share a common faith in and a common commitment to the gospel’s essential claims. The document repeatedly employs expressions like “we [and] our fellow believers”; “As Christians, we . . .”; and “we claim the heritage of . . . Christians.” That seriously muddles the lines of demarcation between authentic biblical Christianity and various apostate traditions."
Many evangelical leaders know this not to be the case as I assume most that signed the document do. But they are representative of not only themselves but more important they have God's children to protect and when signing on to a document that muddles the gospel with "another gospel," it is confusing and dangerous to those who are new believers or have no understanding of what popery is AND IT DOES NOT HONOR GOD.
If the declaration made clear the that these were persons of "different" belief systems uniting to stop a clear danger, I would feel more comfortable applauding its efforts and those who signed on. But as in many of these type of documents, the Gospel must be veiled for what some would deem a greater, more urgent cause.
Each time I see Rome make a stand against abortion, I can't help but think it is nothing more than a smokescreeen covering those very lives they vow to protect in the womb while standing idly by while 100'000's of those children that made it out of the womb, wound up in the grasp of her "alter Christus" that took the liberty of beating, raping and abusing them. Did these evangelical "leaders" take into acct. that the papist leaders did absolutely nothing to stop it and absolutely EVERYTHING to hide it?!
There are enough evangelicals that stand for the gospel truth that should be signing declarations such as these together under the banner of truth, the gospel. Not with an apostate church that spent years trying to destroy the gospel and those who stood for its truth, through her murderous inquisitions....
My prayer is that this declaration and the further actions of those who did sign it, does make a difference and that the Lord regenerates the hearts & minds of those leaders lost in another gospel...
Peace in Christ Alone
Woz
Link to Mohler article:
http://www.albertmohler.com/2009/11/23/why-i-signed-the-manhattan-declaration/
Link to MaCarthur article:
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3641
Link to James White article:
http://www.aomin.org/aoblog/index.php?itemid=3638
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"I can do all things through Christ which strengtheneth me."
Philippians 4:13
May WE grow closer to HIM, as the nation grows further away...
It's like they have read the Bible in its entirety several times over... they have attended church services in Christian Churches of every denomination endlessly... they have read every Christian theologian's text from the Old and New Testaments... and the way that they can quote the scriptures puts practicing Christians to shame!!!
It's just too bad that they haven't experienced a true relationship with our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ and put all of that knowledge to GOOD use.
Oh, about that apology thing... Maybe before Christians are required to apologize about the mistreatment of non-Christians in the past, it would be a good idea for all non-Christians to be required to apologize to Christians for the way that their ancestors tortured, maimed and killed Christians in the past.
There's some interesting reading available in the Bible about the mistreatment of Believers by non-believers... a "Crown of Thorns", hanging on the Cross, killing the first born, etc. And if you look really hard (well maybe not that hard) you can find and few stories about the persecution of Jews and Christians in the past, and not-so-distant past by non-Christians.
Yes, it's about time that Christians start standing up for our Lord and Savior Jesus Christ... I give my total support to the Manhattan Declaration.
member Catholic Medical Association.
This declaration is long, long overdue. Every person who favors life, and who sees the worth to society of Christian values ought to waive their objections and join in endorsing this beautifully written, considerately expressed document. The Manhatten Declaration is a sort of Declaration of Independence: we love and respect all you folks; and we value our government; but we will not allow any persons or government to coerce us into giving up our deepest Christian convictions. And our behavior under this Declaration will do harm to none.
Joey: That's the language of someone who has been infected with Leftism. Christians like you are part of the problem.
Our society's gotten to a point where it's considered right-wing, racist, homophobic, sexist, facist or any other number of "ics" or "ists" to state principles that, while not always adhered to, have been guiding principles for more than 2,000 years.
My main disappointment is that only 14 bishops from the church in which I was raised had the courage to be signatories.
This is not a matter of being left leaning or right leaning. It's a matter of divorcing Christianity from the substituted liturgical structure of America, whose central liturgical act is war (a la Hauerwas) - the liturgical structure that spurs the individualistic mindset that justifies abortion. So no, my friend, you are wrong. Being "leftist" is not the problem. Being "right leaning" is also not the problem. I claim neither. Rather, it is the reductionistic tendencies of people like YOU who reduce the Triune God down to the systemically fallen political structures of humans that are the problem.
Let God be true, and every man a liar. As it is written: "So that you may be proved right when you speak and prevail when you judge." (Romans 3 vs. 4)
The Manhattan Declaration's moral authority is God's and not those who drafted or signed it; they were merely acting as faithful servants of the Word. Therefore, the sins of the drafters, signatories, or Christians past provide no moral grounds to attack the Declaration, for the Word is holy, blameless and true. It follows that those who oppose the Declaration on grounds of moral equivalence also oppose the Lord who commissioned it. In so doing, they reveal the thoughts of their hearts.
Then Simeon blessed them and said to Mary, his mother: "This child is destined to cause the falling and rising of many in Israel, and to be a sign that will be spoken against, so that the thoughts of many hearts will be revealed." (Luke 2 vs. 34-35)
If moral equivalence is the standard whereby we Christians are to discern moral truths, then there are no moral truths. Marriage is what we say it is (a union of love between any number of creatures who can love), the unborn are what we say they are (disposable lumps of flesh), and nothing we say on these topics has any authority beyond our own authority to say it, which others may take from us at any time. I reject this authority, both for myself and others, because the standard is a lie denying all truths save one: There is no truth.
"You are a king, then!" said Pilate. Jesus answered, "You are right in saying I am a king. In fact, for this reason I was born, and for this I came into the world, to testify to the truth. Everyone on the side of truth listens to me."
"What is truth?" Pilate asked. (John 18 vs. 37-38)
Some Christians deem the prospect of persecution and suffering for Christ's sake pointless; capitulation to evil and accord with falsehoods are always preferable to persecution and suffering. They call for peace between the Church and the fallen world in the name of the Lord even while denying His authority to judge the world according to God's righteous commands and decrees.
Why do you call me, 'Lord, Lord,' and do not do what I say? (Luke 6 v. 46)
These Christians reject all discipline and flee all hardship, treating the Gospel as if it were a self-help manual and the Word as if He were psychobabble. By so doing, they have stripped the Gospel of its power and rendered their own faith meaningless, thereby surrendering their spiritual inheritance.
In your struggle against sin, you have not yet resisted to the point of shedding your blood. And you have forgotten that word of encouragement that addresses you as sons:
"My son, do not make light of the Lord's discipline, and do not lose heart when he rebukes you, because the Lord disciplines those he loves, and he punishes everyone he accepts as a son."
Endure hardship as discipline; God is treating you as sons. For what son is not disciplined by his father? If you are not disciplined (and everyone undergoes discipline), then you are illegitimate children and not true sons. (Hebrews 12 vs. 4-8)
Brothers and sisters, do not surrender your faith to fear or error. Stand with the Church and declare that God is true. Sign the Manhattan Declaration.
to endorse this document.
The Manhattan Declaration, with more force! Think they hope it may go away, I believe they are "Whistling past a cemetery", of their own making. Both it and we are here to stay! Let the debate begin! Do not let them debate their "Feelings"
We all have feelings, but only our family and friends care about ones feelings, the other six billion people on earth care only about our actions! Make them defend their actions
"You might find that we are pretty nice people, who just want to live our lives with the same rights and privileges that everyone else enjoys."
Except, alas, for the unborn, who seem to have no rights or privileges whatsoever in this schema. And that's what this statement is about. That's what we're fighting to uphold.
There may be much about Scandinavia (or similar societies you might point to) to admire, but their willingness to permit the slaughter of the unborn remains a dark exception to the tolerance they claim to uphold.
And we as Christians cannot remain silent about this evil, any more than Las Casas could remain silent about native American rights, Wilberforce or Garrison could remain silent about slavery, or Martin Luther King Jr. and Fr. Neuhaus could remain silent about civil rights.
Your homosexual friends have the same rights and priveleges as everyone else--it is nonsense to say otherwise. BUT we are not allowing them to redefine the word 'marriage,' and our efforts in California and Maine show that, with more to come, get ready.
It is the homosexuals who have made difficult the lives of California supporters of marriage as it has been these many year, and they attempted to do the same thing in Washington, but amazingly a sane, nonactivist judge saw their visciousness and stopped it.
In a word, homosexuals and homosexualism are sterile.
Close to 200,000 signers now, and that represents an increase of about 100,000 since Wednesday!!
Praise the Lord for bringing us all together!! Please keep sending this around to your friends, relatives, coworkers, neighbors. This is the only thing that Obama understands, in the last paragraph of the Declaration: "we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family." Get ready for some civil disobedience. [come and get me, Janet Napolitano and Rahm Emmanuel]
It's that time again for Christians to stand up, and to make our faith be heard and seen, loud and clear. We've done it few times in the last 2000 years, time to do it again :)
God bless those who drafted it. I pray for all those who malign it. Eventually
Our Lord's mercy will touch them and will see their lack of understanding.
I will sign it.
God bless America
EX PLURIBUS UNUM
SOLI DEO GLORIA
TITUS 3:4-8
For those of you who are having trouble with the message and still seek your own way. I will be praying that God will remove the stone from your hearts so that you can see His will in all of our lives. Amen.
survive only when we leave our selfish self-centered ways and return to God, who is
our all. Let us simply look at the laws He has left for us to govern ourselves and have life. We will then see with His own eyes what must be done. Let us protect the innocent and helpless with out having our own agenda. Let us be vulnerable and trust in the Spirit of God who is our strength and rightousness.
Yeah, that was all Jesus was talking about, wasn't it? He just talked about abortion and marriage, all the time.
All that talk about helping the poor, loving your neighbor and all that, that's just something that the bloody liberals made up. Jesus didn't really care about that, did he? Of course not. As long as we are against homosexuals and abortion, we can be as rich as we want and ignore the poor. They are just lazy and will all go to hell for it. Hallelujah.
Please let's ask God to let his will be done in all of these items and joint me in
Prayer daily "Ask God what can I do in all this" and then do what he puts on out heart do to. I believe if we ask God for his help and then do his will there will be a difference
There is no Christian charity known that worries exclusively about the evils of abortion and the homosexual 'marriage' nonsense--they all worry about the poor and work arduously to help them, BUT YOU KNEW THAT. You and the other libs/lefties are just a little bit too concerned about the poor to allow us to think anything but that you are really, THAT IS, REALLY, in favor of abortion and the homosexual 'marriage' nonsense.
GET INFORMED ABOUT THE WORK THAT CHRISTIANS DO TO HELP THE POOR, THAT IS, IF YOU ARE NOT.
Please continue to insist that your friends, relatives, coworkers, neighbors go to www.manhattandeclaration.org and sign.
This is the only thing that Obama understands, the civil disobedience suggested by the last paragraph of the Declaration, and even if he understands it, he may insist on his blood drenched abortion, so let's get ready for whatever happens, but certainly the more signers the less he can say he had no idea where Americans' sentiments were on this subject and he other perversion.
A bus on a busy street struck a Catholic man. He was lying near death on the sidewalk as a crowd gathered. "A priest. Somebody get me a priest!" the man gasped. Long seconds dragged on but no one stepped out of the crowd. A policeman checked the crowd and finally yelled, "A PRIEST, PLEASE! Isn't there a priest in this crowd to give this man his last rites?"Finally, out of the crowd stepped a little old Jewish man in his 80s. "Mr. Policeman," said the man, "I'm not a priest. I'm not even a Christian. But for 50 years now, I'm living behind the Catholic Church on Second Avenue , and every night I'm overhearing their services. I can recall a lot of it, and maybe I can be of some comfort to this poor man." The policeman agreed, and cleared the crowd so the man could get through to where the injured man lay. The old Jewish man knelt down, leaned over the man and said in a solemn voice: B-4 .... I-19 ... N-38 ... G-54 ... O-72.
Put Chris first, the rest will follow.
There is no Christian charity known that worries exclusively about the evils of abortion and the homosexual 'marriage' nonsense--they all worry about the poor and work arduously to help them, BUT YOU KNEW THAT. You and the other libs/lefties are just a little bit too concerned about the poor to allow us to think anything but that you are really, THAT IS, REALLY, in favor of abortion and the homosexual 'marriage' nonsense.
GET INFORMED ABOUT THE WORK THAT CHRISTIANS DO TO HELP THE POOR, THAT IS, IF YOU ARE NOT."
We now have 237,127 signers!
He is a great example of an active catholic gentleman, husband and father. Bob also plays piano bluegrass music like a professional from Nashville, TN.
Bob, is correct in asking that mention should be made of the United States involment in the unjustified wars in the Middle East. The undeclared wars in Iraq and Afghanistan are ongoing simply with the authority of the 1973 War Powers Act wich overrides the U.S. constitutional authority that gives Congress alone the power to Declare War. Does the U.S. Constitution need revision?
When diplomacy breaks down the bullets start flying. We should pray for good leaders in government that will help peoples live together without killing one another. Wars and abortion must end if we are to have peaceful co-existence on Earth.
As a believer in GOD and Jesus Christ I agree with this declaration.
As a Christian I wish we would clean up our own house with regards to marriage before we start telling the world how they should view marriage. I know too many Christians who have left their spouse for no biblical reason only to remarry and the church tolerates it. Seems like the Christian church in America has already redefined biblical marriage.
No, no... Courage would be to go out and love, self-sacrificially serve (just like Jesus did) to show and not just claim why Jesus is the way, truth, and life.
if that's what it means to be a Believer in the u.s. today (conservative political activism), then count me out. let others sign their names on that one.
i'll just take Jesus.
260,527 signers as of 3:00 pm EST!!! The rate does not appear to be growing as before, which may be very natural in this sort of phenomenon, but please, PLEASE, continue getting people you know to sign!
To the naysayers for social justice reasons: YOU take care of the other social justice problems, WE will take care of the FUNDAMENTAL social justice problem, abortion. If we do not correct this problem, and we will, you will have no social justice problems to work on.
Please, keep pushing this with your neighbors, coworkers, friends, relatives. We need to put Obama/Pelosi/Reid in a position so that when the elections of 2010 come around, they cannot say "We didn't know that the people didn't want health care with publicly funded abortions." Of course, they would never say "with publicly funded abortions," although they should be able to say "with comingled public and private funds." The truth is, Americans don't want abortion at all--some consciously, those who know what abortion is and what it does to women and the nation, and some only subconsciously. Abortion was a pathetic attempt by feminists/secularists/humanists to make women the same as men, and it did not work. God help us.
Pray, friends, so that this noble work grows to the point where the libs/lefties/secularists/humanists/homosexualists/feminists cannot ignore it. The last paragraph says it all: CIVIL DISOBEDIENCE is preferable to obeying immoral laws.
And, the evil health care bill that Harry Reid and Max Baucus (not Dick Durbin, because he doesn't know what's in it, self admittedly) are pushing is apparently in trouble--PRAY THAT IT FAIL.
All things are possible through prayer!
PRAY-PRAY-PRAY-PRAY-PRAY-PRAY!
Even the faintest of voices are heard loud and clear.
Signing such a document when flush with enthusiasm is one thing. The inevitable buyer's remorse that will hit most of us, when it comes time to close the deal with risky action, is another.
How do resolve this human failing and really ALL do it together?
Because we honor justice and the common good, we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family. We will fully and ungrudgingly render to Caesar what is Caesar’s. But under no circumstances will we render to Caesar what is God’s.
The Lord bless you all!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Al Hood, M.D.
aohood@aol.com
As the mother of a child whose peers are systematically being killed/eliminated out of existence (our beautiful, joyful child was born with Down Syndrome), let us pray for a renewed vigor to protect the lives of the unborn, as diverse and special as they are. Let us not embrace eugenics as an acceptable practice. Let us, on the contrary, be horrified at the thought that certain groups of individuals do not have the right to see the light of day. It is truly a horror.
We're in trouble folks. There's a seven year old girl in Virginia whom the courts have transferred into the legal custody of her mother's former lesbian domestic partner. This custody transfer actually makes sense to many Americans! That's how far our "civilization" has fallen from good sense and common decency.
It's hard to foresee just what travesties will result from misguided but well intentioned meddling in family law. All we can know for certain is that travesties will result. We have to resist.
Let us beg the Lord to help us, in this way, let the social engineers in Washington know that we are having none of their progressivism. THE LAST PARAGRAPH OF THE DECLARATION SAYS IT ALL: "...we will not comply with any edict that purports to compel our institutions to participate in abortions, embryo-destructive research, assisted suicide and euthanasia, or any other anti-life act; nor will we bend to any rule purporting to force us to bless immoral sexual partnerships, treat them as marriages or the equivalent, or refrain from proclaiming the truth, as we know it, about morality and immorality and marriage and the family."
WE WILL NOT COMPLY OBAMA'S NONSENSE! WE WILL NOT!!!
I am disappointed that so many have been duped by the insidious yet seductive writing of Princeton professor Robert P. George, who, among other things, is the board chair of the National Organization for Marriage (NOM), a group whose objective is to deny legal recognition of civil rights to minority groups.
The entire structure of the Manhattan Declaration fails. It is not Christian but is Christianist. It ignores the beautiful scripture-based doctrine that we are ensouled at birth when we take our first breath, the doctrine on which the symbolism of the Sacrament of Baptism is based. It completely ignores the culture of death represented by capital punishment and war, while elevating the status of the blueprint and the foundation to the status of the competed and inhabited house.
It ignores the messages of 1 Samuel 18, Isaiah 56, Matthew 19:12, and Acts 8.
It ignores the religious freedom of anyone other than those whose beliefs coincide with those of the author, or are fully compatible in the areas addressed by the document. While it acknowledges the sincerity of those who disagree, it is cleat that we disagree at our peril, since the author makes it clear that the persecution will continue.
But when I heard that Americans have this issue in the last few decades from my American friends. I was SHOCKED. Is US a Christian nation? Why killing lives, defenseless lives became an issue there? When I saw the Manhattan Declaration, I was so thankful that there are people who would like to stand up and say, "enough, let's go back to God's standard and define life as God defines it. (Psalm 139). The memories of how my second daughter Esther was born are still fresh. My wife and I tried several ways just to protect Esther from being aborted by force. Who can understand how that feels? That was the time when we wanted to go to America. But we couldn't get the passport since in those years, a citizen has to be approved by 8 different government offices, including the community family planning administration office, before he can apply for a passport.
Religious liberty is an issue here too. Just in last September, the little Christian group my wife and I am taking care of was attacked by local authorities. We were told that we were illegal religious facility. We could go nowhere for help other than from God himself. Now God's children in America have this call for religious liberty. I felt that is a precious voice. And I rejoice with them, hoping that the Religious Liberty will come in this country too. Some Americans are like spoiled children by there parents. They were enjoying religious liberty but they do not value it. Now they know that how precious that is.
Homosexuality is not the issue in this country. There are homosexuals. But their way of life is too far away from traditional Chinese values. They are always underground.
I signed this declaration to show my support to the body of Christ in America in their stand with the Scriptural truths. Go forth, Americans, at least, there is one from this side of the earth who supports you. We are all children of God. I wrote an article in Chinese in my blog. I will tell my friends about the declaration.
Those of us who will be in Marches for Life, Walk for Life in San Francisco, should do all they can to spread the word about this noble, beautiful, courageous attempt to let the Obama people know that they will not win.
As to discussing war and capital punishment in connection with a document about abortion, you are trying entirely too hard. There is no comparison. On the other hand, MANY of us do oppose war and capital punishment and work very hard against them.
Susan, no one wants to control anyone else's sex life. Please tell us how keeping a mother from killing her baby has anything that resembles controlling anyone's sex life. If you mean allowing homosexuals to call their perversions marriage, please tell us how that would be related to controlling anyone's sex life.
David Sun, thank you for your post. It is very uplifting.
Grandparents of SIXTEEN.
Great Grandparents of TEN.
PRAISE THE LORD!
I agree that this declaration is an excellent (and overdue) step in the right direction. I commend and stand with all who have affixed their names and all who will. I'll sign it too. Larry Miller and others who may agree with him: Respectfully, marriage is not a political or civil rights football to be tossed about. It is not a term that should be elasticized either. Too often those of us who support traditional marriage cave in to the modern idea that the marriage "battle" needs to be fought on the field of "equal rights." But not everything can be equal in this world. For instance, in a perfectly fair and equal world, blind people would be entitled to drive, regardless. But the physical reality of their situation doesn't permit it. In the case of marriage, the Manhattan Declaration eloquently makes the central point with which I totally agree: marriage is an sexual bond across the male/female divide, not one between members of the same sex. The word marriage denotes that special and unique bond. Marriage isn't about equal rights; it is about a biological (among other things) intercourse between opposites, about a union of the two. Only that kind of union can (notice I didn't say "must") naturally produce progeny. That reality isn't a legal point, it is a physical fact of nature and thus cannot be subject mandates of equality under man-made law. Attempts to change the definition of marriage, to expand it and dilute it, are unacceptable to many of us for this basic reason. That gay couples want to have a means of legalizing their relationships is undeniable, but for that purpose we have -- already -- civil unions.
You wrote:
"You want to win me over? Push against divorce with equal vigor and voice. "
Personally, I'm not sure "winning you over" is a good idea. Maybe you serve God's purpose better by arguing against us.
Sensible Christians don't "push against divorce with equal vigor and voice" because all divorce is not condemned by the Bible. Some divorce is tolerated.
As an aside, I will concede to you that when I was young and idealistic, I had no problem with gay marriage or gay civil unions. I didn't have any problem with gays serving openly in the military either. It was only after I saw the social and legal consequences of gay marriage & civil unions, and served in the Marines myself for 8+ years, that I changed my tune.
I've lived too long and seen too much to be confused by clever arguments. In practice, same sex marriage, same sex parenting and gays in the military are bad for us as individuals and a nation.
AMEN!
It is not the government I believe in, it is HE !!!!!!!!!
Today there seems to be such a lack of RESPONSIBILITY, RESPECT and GENUINE KINDNESS TOWARD OUR FELLOW MAN....
IF YOU DON'T BELIEVE GOD EXISTS--WHAT IF YOUR WRONG!!
AMEN!
If you are at odds with God, then you ought to worry about your eternal soul for salvation does not come free... it requires a practicing belief and faith in Christ. For those that don't like what the Bible says, I mourn for you and Jesus cries. What makes you think that you are more wise than God? Espeically when your false wisdom is condemned in the New Testament. If you don't believe in Christ and his teachings, please don't proclaim to be a Christian... you are something else. "If you are not for Him you are against Him...". Our if that's not plain enough... you are an anti-Christ!
Have you read what Christ said, or just what you wished he had said? If you answer that truthfully, that's a start. The next step is to ask for HIS forgiveness! He will freely give it to those who are contrite and have faith.
You folks are the Laodician Church spoken of in Revelation. I'm really not sure you can collectively advoid condemnation, but you can as an individual. Ask for the mercy of Christ and you'll understand the burden Christians who have signed the Manhattan Declaration have for you.
Tyranny in America !!
I pledge my life, property and sacred honor in the defense of my fellow believers and the "Gospel of Truth".
1. All human beings, except Christ (who is also God) and (in the Catholic view) the Virgin Mary the Mother of God, were and are sinners. Were we not there would have been no need for our salvation and the ultimate sacrifice of Christ nor would there be any Christanity.
2. The most fundamental and all encompassing law of Christianity is the law of TRUE and REAL LOVE. If all people obeyed this law, which incorporates the moral law established by God, there would be no war, no famine, no poverty, no mental illness, no child molestations, no abortion, no injustice, no discrimination, no disharmony and on and on.
3. It is we, as individuals, who commit the wrongs (known as sin). These wrongs are not mistakes or errors in judgment. They are results of an inadequately or inappropriately fored conscience that distorts or disregards the requirements as well as the prohibitions of the moral law. Therefore, the accusers unjustly accuse because they fail to acknowledge their own sins.
Please allow us to serve you as you have always intended. Guide those who will lead us with truth, and honesty. God Bless this Nation again, as You have in the past.
Since our foundation was built on this basic principle, God blessed this country over the years. There is no other country in the history of the world that has grown so large and so fast as ours, and to have the dedication to freedom as we have had. As President Reagan once said "if freedom dies here, it dies forever, for we are the last stand on earth". This document stands for some of our founding principles, "Life, Liberty, and the pursuit of happiness". I believe that the Lord has taken His hand off our country for a season so that we WAKE UP and restore our commitment to God, so we can once again be the light on that hill which the world so desperately needs. True, God can restore His church anywhere He finds openness, but I believe He put us, as a country, here right now on this earth for a reason. Don't let the enemy/Devil win! I will sign this document with hope that God does not let this country go.
AND GOD MUST HAVE BLESS US WITH PEOPLE LIKE GLEN BECK AND OTHERS AND FOX NEWS FOR SHOWING US THE LIGHT AND THE TRUTH
YES GOD BLESS AMERICA FOR WE LOVE HER SO MUCH
Phyllis Jean Monroe
Roger Williams started it all in America in 1636, when he began the colony of Rhode Island and Providence Plantations, which provided a refuge for religious minorities. Williams started the First Baptist Church in America. In the past 373 years this amazing and original theme has been twisted and abused by the left - yet it is the true reason for the greatness of America.
Thank you, Glenn, for reminding us of our roots, obligations as True Christians, and the extent to which our nation has fallen. No wonder you are under attack from the left - they can never be wrong. Be strong in the Lord, Glenn, and "fight the good fight." Dave Wade
Not a Christian attitude? Sure it is, Christ told us to dust the sand from our sandals when we find ourselves in the midst of non believers.
Thank You for this declaration.
Peter made it very clear where will we go you( Jesus) have the words of life.
please be with all of us and I Pray that all who signs this will do the work of spreading the Word of God and to stand up and die if need be never to deny our God . We love you dear God and await your Return In Jesus Name I Pray this AMEN.
We CHRISTIANS must stand up and be counted, this may be our last chance. Please PUT MY NAME ON THE TOP LINE IN FAVOR OF STANDING.
Thank you
Wesley Byrd
before his death. I will not forget that he gave his all for his country.I want to be counted among those who love our country and Liberty. Let no man take that away from us or our families.
Edmund burke
And why? Because Jesus is Lord! Not because governments confiscated our possessions and gave it to the needy -- governments always end up just stealing the people's wealth, using the needs of the poor only as a pretext for their own enrichment and empowerment. We give of our wealth, of our time, of our health, and of our very lives because we love people with a love not our own, a love from the Holy Spirit flooding out of our hearts upon the world around us. They are all made in the image of God! They are each infinitely valuable, having been paid for (redeemed) by the infinitely valuable blood of Jesus. The love of Christ constrains us!
There is an awful lot of work that needs to be done to get American back to the view of our founding fathers.
& push back the damage the current adminisration is seeking to do.
God bless,
David Doggett Sr.
The TRUE meaning of separation of church and state is that the Government Will Not dictate to the church and the Church Will Monitor what the government is actually doing for the people!
to comitt our all to the nation and our Lord Jesus Christ. We as a nation must
put Christ back on the throne and give him the honor that he deserves. It may cost us dearly but it must be done for future generations
Onward Christian Soldiers marching as to war. Sword in hand all 2000-pages of it we will conquer and perservere.
Maranatha.
Kay B
The opposition is on the immoral acts of sin, not on the sinner.
We are created all by God, and loved all by God. Therefore we love, or should love each other. That does not mean to tolerate or accept the acts of immorality done by those we love.
We are all sinners, and all fall short of God's Glory, and need to always try to follow His teachings, never intentionally disobeying his laws, or commands.
I have never heard a Christian profess to be perfect, as a matter of fact most Christians are fully aware of their weaknesses, and imperfections as human beings. We only strive to be like Jesus, but will never be in His perfection until we are with Him in Heaven.
Without putting judgement on any human being, I stand up for God, and pray for our Society to return to Him. I pray that all Christians, everywhere will get on their knees, repent, and ask God to heal our land.
I pray for souls, and hearts to be touched by Him, and eyes opened to see the incredible awesomeness of a God who loves us so much, that He gave His One and only son, so that I and you might have everlasting peace for all of eternity.
I pray for God's protection on all who stand firm in Him against any opposition.
But most of all I pray that God's Perfect will shall prevail.
I pray all these things in the name of Jesus Christ, who through Him were all things created, and who gave His life for all sinners and cleared a path to salvation for all.
God Bless America!!!
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I wish Allen West could get on Fox and talk. He really needs to run for President, but if he does not want too or does not feel he should he cannot be committed. I hope if he is ready, willing and able God will direct his paths into what is the right thing. Allen need for people to see who he is. He has the right heart, dignity, firmness and fairness about him to lead this country. He is not petty and has the intellect to be a real president. Some of those people mentioned for the job on the conservative side lack what Mr. Allen has. Those others are Hollywood types and even Mr. Trump with his abilities to handle financial problems does not have the well-rounded qualifications anywhere near Mr. West. If Mr. West can surround himself with people such as he is in the White House who excel in different areas of need (education, legal matters, economics, etc.) we have a chance to keep our country, if we fail to get someone such as Mr. West, but instead end up with someone who is ashamed of who we are, or someone who is there to please people with agendas we will lose this country.
There can be thousands of laws and court cases, but where they all go back to is someone is failing to take notice of what is right and good. The whole Spirit of the law is the ten commandment. All the law can do without the Spirit is present itself as a disagreement or argument for the other side and tie the courts up forever.
The schools have been handed over to evil that is laying groundwork for the youth to rebel against their parents and trust in the thoughts of contemporary ideas that lead them to destruction. Unless these children and youth are grounded in the word, they will be against their parents and what is right in the eyes of the Lord. They will be unable to come back as it will be too late for many. There are many things that lure youth that is made lite of and promoted by those seeking company on their trip to hell, either consciously or without thought. It is a way that seems right, but leads to destruction.
There will be many who will come in His name, but His people have discernment.
There are those who want others to follow after them and forsake the Ten Commandments. There all all kinds who go about this at different angles to confuse and belittle what is right and good. The path of destruction is wide and those who do not enther at the narrow gate will destruct. All these laws and arguments are taking time and tying up the courts when people knowing the right way could prevent this chaos now in our country. We cannot demand it, but we can head off what is being loosened upon this country by getting representatives who are not ashamed to stand up for our Father in Heaven. This world is in confusion because many are in financial positions who are skinning out of their clothes, killing babies, and declaring sodomy as a right thing. God says it is not. He is the boss and people who lead others to destruction are in for a big surprise when that last breath is drawn by them. This country has not outgrown God. He said what He has joined together, let no man put asunder. He was not just talking about marriage. God joined this country together and the laws of this land were designed in Spirit to be fair and honorable. If the Spirit is taken away, the laws will be twisted by the people with the biggest mouths and the most money. By taking away the Ten Commandments, people prone to such ideas of law twisting, will have other people so angry and confused they will rebel out of frustration. Anger and hate will rule decisions and people who normally would not, will start taking law into their own hands, thus, we have anarchy. When anarchy prevails, the biggest mouth will take charge and dictate. We must preserve for our children what God has joined together when the Declaration was given and then the Constitution was signed.



Does any of the signatories, in his/her wildest fantasies, believe any thinking, rational person will accept this as an adequate and accurate description of what was, in fact, unspeakable brutality and savagery?