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The Cost of Father Maciel

A special preview from the new issue of First Things: In this month’s Public Square, Joseph Bottum evaluates the damage of the scandals of the Legion of Christ.

Cardinal Sodano has to go. The dean of the College of Cardinals, he has been found too often on the edges of scandal. Never quite charged, never quite blamed, he has had his name in too long a series of depositions and court records and news accounts—an ongoing embarrassment to the Church he serves. The Vatican has been responding in a disorganized way to the frenzy of recent press stories about often thirty-year-old abuse cases. What it should do is put its own house in order, moving out the unhelpful remnants of the bureaucracy that allowed those scandals to fester for so long.

The latest revelations concern the financial benefits Cardinal Sodano received from Fr. Marcial Maciel Degollado, the corrupt conman who founded the Legion of Christ and its associated lay group, Regnum Christi. And those revelations follow hard on the 2008 convictions of Raffaello Follieri for wire fraud and money laundering. (Follieri’s company, you’ll remember, was trading in decommissioned church property, and it relied for its crimes on the prestige of having Cardinal Sodano’s nephew as its vice president.) That news, in turn, followed the cardinal’s reported role in thwarting a 1995 investigation into the subsequently proved accusations against the episcopal molester in Vienna, Hans Hermann Groër.

In one sense, of course, it’s very sad. A long career in the Church is not ending well, and it would be kinder to protect the man and let him slip away unnoticed. But Cardinal Sodano himself seems unwilling to let it be so. Speaking of the stories that were on the front page of nearly every newspaper in the world, he told the pope publicly at Easter this year, “The people of God are with you and do not allow themselves to be impressed by the petty gossip of the moment.”

Petty gossip? There’s room for complaint about the way the scandals have been used to advance every agenda under the sun, but when the subject is abused and sodomized children, petty is not the adjective of choice. Even in a season of mismanaged Vatican responses to the frenzy of the press, Sodano’s line was stunningly tone-deaf, and it served mostly to give the media yet another day of headlines. As things stand, if (God forbid) Pope Benedict were to die, the obsequies would be led by Cardinal Sodano—and the newscasts, hour after hour, would feature rehashes of all that is now associated with his name.

But that’s not the real problem. The deeper point is the lack of consequences—visible consequences—for failures and missteps and wrong associations in the Vatican. The real problem is that heads haven’t rolled, penalties haven’t been exacted, for Fr. Maciel’s deceptions.

For many years, Cardinal Sodano received money and benefits for his projects from the Legion of Christ, and in 1998 he halted investigations into sexual abuse by the Legion’s founder. That apparent quid pro quo ought to have a price.

It ought to have a price precisely because the scandal of Fr. Maciel is so deadly. The child-abuse cases were a corruption in the Church. What Fr. Maciel attempted is a corruption of the Church. He fooled many people, including this magazine’s creator, Richard John Neuhaus, who once defended Maciel in a 2002 column, before agreeing later that Cardinal Ratzinger (investigating Maciel at the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith) and John Paul "know more than I know with respect to evidence.”

The irony is that Fr. Neuhaus didn’t undertake that defense at the behest of Maciel, whom he never knew well. He did so because people he did know well, young American priests of the Legion, begged him to do so, telling him that their founder was suffering an attack they were certain was false and unfair. The first victims are the men, women, and children that Maciel, in his polymorphous perversity, used sexually, but the second set of victims are the good, strong, dynamic priests who had little direct contact with the man and are nonetheless tarred by his actions.

In the long history of the Church, enduring religious establishments have been built by the sinful, but usually the new order’s spirituality is a correction to the sinfulness: a way, a charism, that leads such sinners to Christ. Maciel, however, wrote his sins, and his power to cover up those sins, deep into the spirituality of the Legion of Christ—in how it handles confession, how it treats obedience, and how it understands authority.

The bishops who undertook the apostolic visitation of the Legion have finished their work, presenting their report to the Vatican on April 30. In anticipation, the directors of the Legion issued a statement on March 26, which read, “We ask all those who accused him in the past to forgive us, those whom we did not believe or were incapable of giving a hearing to, since at the time we could not imagine that such behavior took place.” On April 25, Fr. Owen Kearns, publisher of the Legion’s newspaper, the National Catholic Register, added, “To Father Maciel’s victims, I pray you can accept these words: I’m sorry for what our founder did to you. I’m sorry for adding to your burden with my own defense of him and my accusations against you. I’m sorry for being unable to believe you earlier. I’m sorry this apology has taken so long.”

All that is good, and yet, it isn’t enough. First Things has never received money from the Legion (and the closest I personally have been to their finances was a single review, of an Orhan Pamuk novel, I wrote for the National Catholic Register back in 1997). But then one thinks of the likes of Thomas Williams, Tom Hoopes, Thomas Berg, and all the other friends and acquaintances who had associations with the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi. For that matter, many American Catholic commentators have lectured over the years at the movement’s events. The money they received was never significant, but it all helped contribute to an atmosphere in which the Legion could close ranks after the first public accusations against Maciel.

That atmosphere has to be eliminated, which will require the rewriting and reordering not just of the institutional structure but also of the spiritual design of the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi.

In April, the National Catholic Reporter published a two-part article about Maciel’s financial dealings. Given the obsession with all things Catholic this spring, a time when the Long Lent of 2002 seemed to have come around again, the article received surprisingly little attention. Perhaps that’s because the author, Jason Berry, didn’t quite have the story he wanted. His account of cash in Rome was thinly sourced, and his reporting on Maciel’s actions in Mexico didn’t find the smoking gun we’ve all long expected to be found—the one that shows the Legion’s connections to the likes of Carlos Slim, whose telephone monopoly and political string-pulling made him the world’s richest man, and to the endemic corruption of Mexican politics.

As I wrote when the articles first appeared, although they were fumbling as journalism, they were fumbling toward what seems to be the truth. A larger part of the reason that the mainstream media didn’t latch on to the story may be that it does not fit the narrative of the moment—for Joseph Ratzinger, first as cardinal and now as pope, comes off in the Maciel scandal as something like the hero. Not until the end did John Paul II see more than a charismatic Latin American figure, raising money and training vibrant, active priests. Cardinal Ratzinger clearly saw deeper, despite the powerful protection Cardinal Sodano cast over Maciel.

The received journalistic narrative skewed a great deal of other reporting this spring. All through March and April, Der Spiegel, the New York Times, and the Irish Times—to name only a few—were working, quite accurately, within the media’s standard picture, which demands that the pope himself must have been involved in covering up crimes in the Church.

A more accurate understanding, as I wrote in a recent Weekly Standard article, would see that the first part of the scandals—the most evil, disgusting part—is basically over. For a variety of reasons, Catholics suffered through a corruption of their priests, centered around 1975, with the clergy’s percentage of sexual predators reaching new and vile levels. The Church now has in place stringent child-protection procedures, and the cases now being discussed, real and imagined, are more than a decade old.

The second part of the scandals, however, involves not the mostly dead criminals but the living institution. The bishops who ruled over those corrupt priests catastrophically failed to act. There were never a lot of these Catholic cases, but there were plenty enough—with every single one a horror, both in the act itself and in the failure of the bishops to react. The Catholic Church did not start the worldwide epidemic of child sexual abuse, and it did not materially advance it. But the bureaucracy of the Church did not do nearly enough to fight that epidemic when it broke out among its own clergy. And for these failures, every Catholic is paying—in nearly $3 billion of donations lost in court judgments, in suspicion of pastors, and in deep shame.

Insofar as anyone comes out well from all this, it is Pope Benedict. However much the narrative demands that he be pulled in, nothing yet published has held up to serious scrutiny. Which ought not, really, to be a surprise. This man was the one who actually saw there was a problem—the one who, in 2005, openly denounced the “filth in the Church and in the priesthood.” A Maltese abuse victim who met the pope this April told an interviewer, “I did not have any faith in priests. Now, after this moving experience, I have hope again. You people in Italy have a saint. Do you realize that? You have a saint!”

Not that the Vatican has managed to tell this story. The responses of the bureaucracy in Rome have swung between unhelpful silences and wrong-headed whines. There may be good reasons not to play the publicity games—driven by media cycles and celebrity culture and dramas of shame and fame—in which the world is caught up these days. The wheels of Catholicism have always ground slowly, operating with a deliberation that will not, and should not, match the world’s hectic pace. Then again, there may be good reasons for the Church to take the world as it finds it, trying to move people toward Christ from where those people actually are.

But, over these recent months of frenzy, the Vatican has unsuccessfully adopted both these modes. The bureaucracy has attempted public relations and done it badly. And the bureaucracy has attempted interior review, for the edification of its people and the good discipline of its priests, and that, too, has not been done particularly well. The faithful are saddened, responding to the news accounts with a sigh and mumble, and the clergy are disheartened and confused.

For either purpose, a figure such as Cardinal Sodano has to be removed from his current position and told to serve the Church in prayer. Everyone inside the Church needs to be taught that there are consequences for scandalous mistakes. And, for the outside world, Catholicism needs a story to tell, a narrative that can convey the simple truth: Despite the sins of its members, the Church remains what it has been—a light in dark places, a force of charity for the weak and the poor, and a hope for humankind on its way to the saving truth that is God.

Joseph Bottum is editor of First Things.

Comments:

5.12.2010 | 4:35am
Max says:
As a eleven year convert to Roman Catholicism, it is difficult to convey how much I am grieved by these scandals. I am sure that for lifelong faithful Catholics, the grief is all the more. Mr. Bottums, and Mr. Weigel in an earlier column, are quite right-- there needs to be real, visible and serious consequences for the perpetrators of these unbelieveable violations of trust, dignity and Christian charity. What exactly that should be, I am not competent to say. However, and this may sound silly or glib, but viscerally I seriously would like to see the Pope declare the vast majority (if not all) of these perpetrators and their enablers anathema and either excommunicate them outright or re-assign them to the most remote monastery within the Church's purview for the rest of their natural lives. Somehting akin to the excommunication scene in the film Becket, but set in St. Peter's, would do well to visibly underscore the Church's seriousness in its response to the filth of these sins. The Holy Father unfortunately doesn't have a voice like Richard Burton's, but the point would surely be made. Last time I checked, the See of Peter is still symbolized by the keys of the kingdoms of Heaven and Earth. Time to do some binding IMHO.
5.12.2010 | 6:59am
I have read your column and agree. We are all taught from childhood that there have to be consequences for our actions or inactions. Jesus Christ (in His Church) is being made to suffer all over again, and our Holy Father feels the pain of these fresh wounds as the Vicar of Christ.

Let us purge the "flocks of the Lord by removing the goats" and pray that although we may have lost a battle or two to Satan, the promise of the Lord to be with His Church WILL strengthen our shepherds and once again "renew" the faithfulness that must prevail.

VIVAT JESUS.
5.12.2010 | 8:49am
Concerned says:
'in how it handles confession, how it treats obedience, and how it understands authority"

Could you please elaborate on this. And also:

"... require the rewriting and reordering not just of the institutional structure but also of the spiritual design of the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi."

We need information on the what and the why from credible sources. No more shadows please.
5.12.2010 | 9:57am
Judy Bowman says:
For the sake of the Church and for the sake of all the good and holy priests in the Legion of Christ, the Holy Father must support and allow a thorough investigation of the Order. This cannot be done behind closed-doors or without the input and assistant of those "outside" the halls of power in the Vatican. I pray that this reformation is exhaustive and expedient and that the outcome of the investigation results in substantive, practical, and invigorating reforms.
5.12.2010 | 10:43am
Marco says:
Please explain how it seems so many in the Curia are working at cross-purposes with the Pope. What keeps our Holy Father from sacking Sodano? It would have been very helpful for the Church if Father Neuhaus -- or an aide to Cardinal O'Connor or Father Groeschel or Mary Ann Glendon -- had bothered at the time the Hartford newspaper exposed Father Maciel to swing over to Mercy College and quickly determine whether the accusers were credible!
5.12.2010 | 11:13am
Bob G says:
This is a good column so far as it goes. A public disgrace for Card. Sodano is just a start. Again, we need to remind ourselves that, bad as they were, the Maciels and clerical abusers were not the problem. The problem was that bishops and cardinals looked the other way or refused to act. There is something wrong with the Church’s system, and I believe it has much to do with total lack of accountability. The college of cardinals is a club, much like the inbred clubs of New Orleans. And the Church is ruled by bishops for bishops. That's why no one cared about the victims. This whole system needs to be dismantled and reformed from the bottom up--literally. The hierarchy needs to submit to accountability to the lowly laity.
5.12.2010 | 11:35am
Diane says:
I agree.

When Cardinal Soldano said to Pope Benedict, "The people of God are with you and do not allow themselves to be impressed with the petty gossip of the moment" I wonder just where the boundaries of his "people of God" lie and hope (and believe at this point) that they are not the same for the Pope.

When I sin and seek to realign myself with God and the Church, I strip away those things that weaken my resistance to temptation. I do it in humility and shame at allowing those things to come between me and God's will. Do all the vast responsibilities, power and prestige associated with being a Cardinal at the Vatican change that need for the man beneath the red robe? Or, for those around him if he is blind to the need himself? His sin has obscured God, not just for himself, but for others. Is he sure HE is one of the "people of God?"
5.12.2010 | 11:39am
Joel Gerlach says:
What Dr. Bottom's article neglects to mention is the truth that Christ's Church is not Roman Catholic. It is, as the Apostles' Creed states, the "sanctam Ecclesiam catholicam, sanctorum communionem."
5.12.2010 | 11:41am
J.W. Cox says:
Related, I just saw this "Irish Times" story http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/world/2010/0510/1224270048664.html by their Rome correspondent: Archbishop/Cardinal Christoph Schönborn, of Vienna, has explicitly named Sodano as the Vatican official who "blocked a Vatican inquiry into sex abuse allegations against the late, disgraced cardinal of Vienna, Hans Hermann Groer."

Schonborn also goes on the record saying that "Cardinal Sodano had done “massive harm” to victims of sex abuse with his recent Easter Sunday remarks in which he dismissed international criticism of the church over the sex abuse scandal as “idle gossip”. Furthermore, Cardinal Schönborn added: “The days of cover up are over.”"
5.12.2010 | 11:56am
SMG says:
Dear Mr. Bottum, I have been reading this magazine since my father started receiving it when I was a small child. I see clearly that you are a truly able succesor to the great Fr. Neuhaus. This article contains the same courage and truth that punctuated all his work. Forza!
5.12.2010 | 11:56am
If anyone wants to follow the story of the LC/RC corruption in more detail, http://life-after-rc.com is where it's mostly happening online.
5.12.2010 | 1:18pm
KDZ says:
Yes, Sodano must go. He's the Vatican version of Bernard Law.
5.12.2010 | 2:23pm
kirsten says:
as a recent convert to Catholicism.....
YES i converted despite the news... amid court judgments over the sex scandals...when Cardinal after cardinal and Bishop after Bishop were being found, if not guilty, at least "not innocent". I converted after a long hard struggle to NOT be Catholic... because i was profoundly anti Christian, and Catholicism seemed the worst of the lot

so when i tell you that i joined the Catholic Church despite the scandals, and despite the worst abuses, i assure you i am deadly serious.

ANYONE in the church who can credibly be accused of covering up scandal, or perpetuating it, must be removed to a position of no authority at the least.
it certainly will not hurt them to assign them to a monastery and a strict regimen of Eucharistic adoration and prayer while the charges are investigated.

St Pio of Petrelcina suffered far worse, over far less credible accusations, without even a murmer.. let these leaders in the church then truly LEAD, by humbling themselves and taking on a life of prayer and contemplation.
5.12.2010 | 2:32pm
Truthwillout says:
Concerned,

This is exactly the problem: it has been very difficult for those of us involved with the Legion to get to the bottom of the gravity of the malformation of this order and the history of how it came about. When I first started this search (had a child in an LC school, and I was horrified at the LC's utterly unchristian response to the news that their founder was a cruelly deviant molester of children and that they had committed grave harm to his victims by calling them liars and enemies all those years----priests continuing to express gratitude to such a monster long after it is know he sodomized and raped children would be akin to expressing public gratitude to somebody like Jack the Ripper for some supposed good deed he did at some point in his life), it quickly became clear to me that there was not going to be an easy way of going about discovering the truth.

You certainly won't find truth in "A History of the Legion" (have you read any of it lately? I have a copy, and it literally makes me sick to my stomach reading all the lies about this sexual criminal and fraud). Nor will you find it in "Christ is My Life" or over at National Catholic Register. Sadly, the conservative Catholic Church failed greatly when it came to truth and transparency in this matter, and people the likes of Neuhaus and Glendon proclaimed Maciel a greatly persecuted Holy Man, and his accusers liars and attackers trying to bring down the Pope.

The National Catholic Reporter has proven very reliable on this matter over the years, and Vows of Silence is also a good factual history of what really was going on in the LC over the past 60 years or so. You may not agree with Berry's conclusions from what he learned, but that doesn't change the accuracy of his investigation in the matter.

Cassandra Jones (pseudonym) has compiled a very factual recording of what actually happened in the Legion here: http://cassandrajonesing.blogspot.com/2009/06/first-apostolic-visitation-of_23.html

I have personally found life-after-rc very helpful because I have been able to make sense of what has happened in my life as a result of the LC/RC spiritual deformation by communicating with others there. Also, many times news articles are linked there so we can go read the articles ourselves. It's been quite informative in that regard. Also, there are so many people there who are knowledgeable about the true LC history, that if you have a question about something they usually know where to point you to find the answer.

Hope this helps a bit. I know it's not an easy undertaking, but since I started researching the LC/RC history and their grave abuses of conscience/authority and how that has directly affected my children and family, I have learned so much by researching online. God bless you in your endeavors to discover the truth behind this congregation.
5.12.2010 | 2:36pm
Paul Siena says:
One of the places where the Holy See has refused to do justice is in the handling of the term “charism.” Admittedly a troublesome one to nail down in the context of religious life, but there was enough headway however in Perfectae Caritatis, the basic tenets of Thomistic spiritual theology, and of the Church’s own patrimony to say that in no way could the term ‘charism’ be legitimately applied anywhere near the life of Maciel. Yet in an interview with Televisa, one of the Apostolic Visitors, Bishop Ricardo Watty said:

“There are many elements from Father Marcial’s personality that have taken root, and the Legion must be freed from them. Speaking later about the measures the Holy See is taking to review the Legion’s charism, Bishop Watty explained that it “does not belong to the founder, but rather comes from God and passes through a person, in this case a person who was very, very wounded.”

How confusing can it get! A founder who transmits a so-called core of a charism, which in effect wounds his own institute and this is certified by the Holy See as coming from God piecemeal? Perhaps all concerned need to spend some time meditating on this text:

"The Rock! His work is perfect, For all His ways are just; A God of faithfulness and without injustice, Righteous and upright is He. (Deut 34:2)

All the works of the Lord are perfect, if he sends the Charism it will not come in a wounded form, it will not require a “redefinition”, its statutes will not require a deep overhaul, its founder will not be a criminal, devoid of religious sentiment, and without scruples.

I fear in an effort to be pastoral with the intoxicating enthusiasm of the Legion’s youth, the Church has sabotaged its own rich theological tradition of Christian perfection and given the LC nomenklatura the trigger word it needed for its self defence. When the communique of May 1 spoke of “preserving the core of the charism- militia Christi”. Emphasis on PRESERVING… it gave the power structure a rallying point for a sustained resistence to a re-foundation and putting an end to the narrative of Maciel.
5.12.2010 | 2:43pm
Robberson says:
My post (amended) to the May 5, 2010 article by
George Weigel.

Respectfully to all,

I have no doubt over these multiple decades millions of prayers/Rosaries were spoken/offered by many thousands within the LC/RC communities.

What happened? Was something missing? Wasn't God listening to our prayers? Or, were/are we not listening to Him?

Is the necessary "top down" action by Rome going to be ineffective because of lack of action from the "bottom up" i.e. us!

Might it be that such immersion i.e. reliance solely upon prayers could be considered "lip service" when God clearly calls His disciples to action against evil?

Might it be that far to often prayer alone is the "safe" alternative when faced by evil in this world?

Might it be that when confronted by evil anywhere God calls us to action i.e sacrifice of self, position, prestige and/or endurance of suffering in His name?

Might it be during these dreadful times for His Church He calls us to listen to Him, to DO something-not just TALK to Him?

Might it be that "ALL" evil in this world must be confronted by action and not prayer alone.
5.12.2010 | 2:53pm
As committed Catholics, we must summon the honesty and the courage to face squarely *all* the painful aspects of the current crisis. Consequently, we must acknowledge that neither John Paul II nor the present Vicar of Christ responded adequately and consistently to accusations of sexual abuse committed against minors.

Sadly, there is no way to deny that John Paul II failed by not ensuring an immediate investigation of the 1998 canonical complaint against Father Marcial Maciel Degollado. And how can Cardinal Joseph Ratzinger’s record be excused in this case? He took no effective action against Maciel until 2004--*six years* after he had received the case. Is it not true that the cardinal was morally obliged to resist the negligence of even the Pope in such a situation?

Further, with great respect for all concerned, and without denying John Paul II's accomplishments, I do not see how the following questions can be circumvented. Why should Pope Benedict not halt all efforts to beatify his predecessor? Is John Paul II's conduct toward Maciel the mark of a saint?

I urge Catholics to view Jason Berry’s documentary entitled *Vows of Silence*.
5.12.2010 | 4:20pm
Susan Schudt says:
Dear Concerned,

Step away from the Legion and RC for two months. Spend your time praying, frequenting the sacraments, and discerning - in your Parish. Open your heart to the Truth. Ask God to tell help you be receptive to His truth. Meditate on how charity requires truth. Know the mercy of God, and that He is there.

After two months it will not seem so confusing anymore.

But it will be very painful.

Cling to Christ and His Church. Not to RC or LC. It is impossible to "see" while still living the LC/RC spirituality. It has inhibited your ability to discern.

God Bless. My heart and my prayers go out to you.
5.12.2010 | 4:33pm
Jim says:
The Legion should be dissolved, its priests (those who have not been abusers themselves) and its property absorbed by local diocese.
5.12.2010 | 5:02pm
bt says:
Many accusatory fingers have been pointed at the priests and hierarchy, but what about us, the laity?

1. In this great crisis of the Church are we asking God for more grace by perhaps showing up early to Mass to pray more (remember years ago when you entered Church, many people were often kneeling in prayer?), or do we get there, sit back, and wait for Mass to begin?

2. Are we watching things on tv, going to movies, and buying music where things are portrayed that are nearly as bad as the scandal itself?

3. Are we lobbying our civic and Church leaders for stronger and more vocal support of family and marriage? Are we voting for those who will uphold these tradional values?

4. Are we providing our youth with an in depth catechization and knowledge of our Church so that when they are presented with scandalous situations, they will flee them, rather than have to live with the effects decades later?

It is easy to sit back and wring our hands as the battles rage on above, but in reality we are immersed in the same battle.
5.12.2010 | 5:16pm
Concerned says:
So, Susan, what do I step away from? My morning daily Gospel reflection? My parish monsignor does the same. He is not an LC. Not saying the Angelus at noon? Ignore the Church bells. No weekly hour of adoration? Who will take my place in the adoration chapel? Perhaps I stop going for Confession altogether? Stop daily Mass? What kind of confusion am I trying to escape by not saying my daily Rosary? What in all of this is inhibiting my ability to discern? Discern what?

How is doing all of this clinging to LC/RC spirituality? The nuns taught me to do the same thing before Vatican II. They weren't LC/RC. The LC/RC brought me back to my roots. How is abandoning all of this going to help? It does not belong to the Legion, but to the Church.

As for truth, I am all in favor of it. The leadership of the Legion has not been up to the crises caused by the condemnation of the life of the founder. They have not acted, they have not disclosed, they have not allowed themselves to be freed by the truth of who MM was. This needs to be done.

And it needs to be done in community of all those who have given their lives to the Legion of Christ in the priesthood.

I ask for full disclosure: authoritative, properly sourced, footnoted, verifiable by third parties and fair.
5.12.2010 | 6:09pm
Susan Schudt says:
Stay away from any direction and comments of the LC/RC.

Recognize that waiting to see properly sourced, footnoted, verifiable evidence will not change the truth of it.
5.12.2010 | 6:12pm
Great article !!!

The damage for the Church is huge... I personnaly think that the Jean-Marie Vianney who we have prayed for this year of the Priest has helped to get all these sins becoming uncovered.

What media thinks is irrelevant in the end, what matters is the holiness of the Church.
So in a way all these purification will rather help the Church eventually.

I had the great honor to participate in a congress in Rome, where both Sodano and Ratzinger where present. I can tell you it was obvious who was closer to holiness... and by Providence he became Pope in the meanwhile.
5.12.2010 | 6:24pm
Former RC says:
Concerned,

What counts as an authoritative source? Personal testimonies? As some comments to the Weigel piece display, personal testimonies usually result in a 'my word against yours' circle. Say the person testifies that he/she has been brainwashed. What counts as concrete evidence for this? The consecrated superiors do much of their 'brainwashing' during recruitment by giving talks. Much of the talks seem off the cuff. Have these talks been recorded or saved? Maybe not. If so, would they count as evidence? Candidates for consecrated life are also required to write down their sins and submit them to superiors; how could that be shared with anyone without breaking confidentiality?

Members of the 'Movement' have been conditioned to shun criticism, and to think they are nobly living out the eighth beatitude ('Blessed are they that suffer persecution...). This is clearly problematic if anything is to change.

I was dismayed to read the recent communique, which fails even to mention the brainwashing/malformation issue. Not a single word! I am also leery of any 'Visitor' to the consecrated houses, which is mentioned at the end of the communique. Maciel institutionalized brainwashing in RC/LC. Unless any official visitor has been trained to recognize cult conditioning and propaganda, he will see only the glossy surface of RC consecrated life.
5.12.2010 | 6:40pm
Truthwillout says:
"I ask for full disclosure: authoritative, properly sourced, footnoted, verifiable by third parties and fair. "

Concerned,

I am totally with you on this one; I'd love nothing more than full disclosure, the true story of Maciel and his followers, of who knew what when, and how Maciel built his sick spirituality into his Movement.

But who would you trust to do this? Read the "History of the Legion" (the LC version), and you will understand why I would never trust anybody in the LC/RC to be able to tell the true story. I put much more faith in Berry et al (although I don't agree with all his conclusions) than I do in the conservative Catholic press at this time. They persistently ignored the story (in no small part, no doubt, to the fact that Legion has its fingers in a lot of the Catholic media pie), choosing to look the other way and to allow the continued defamation and calumny of the men Maciel sodomized and raped as children rather than actually investigating to get to the truth.

The truth WAS out there, and there were plenty of people who knew it. The Vatican knew there was a problem with Maciel way back in the 50s. Although I do think B16 finally gets the seriousness and gravity of this crisis in our church, I don't really trust anybody else at the Vatican to really want the truth to come out. Too many curial reputations might be dirtied in the process.

I don't know what impartial third party we could all look to and trust as completely unbiased. After all, those who have been trying to get the truth about Maciel and the grave abuses of conscience/authority of the structure of the LC/RC will be looked at as having biases (I would imagine we all have biases against sexually and mentally abusive criminals). We certainly can't trust the Legion. And I don't particularly trust the conservative Catholic media who turned a blind eye and didn't bother to investigate the facts all those years, either.

So that means we are left to do a lot of the research ourselves, to use our God-given brains to try to sift through the fact vs. fiction out there. There IS a lot of information on the internet. Maybe it isn't such a bad thing to be forced to exercise our reason and judgment on our own rather than trying to rely on somebody else to tell us how it is.
5.12.2010 | 6:41pm
Robberson says:
I comment with caution--

Process, procedures, habits, implied rules etc. and there are so many within our Church may, and I say may, evolve into the object of our faith not the result of our faith as intended. I cannot help but wonder, when done in excess, if this is often a result of guilt. But, isn't that what Confession is all about?

To me, our lives should not focus solely upon all that. Our lives should focus upon Him and Him alone. Do we really believe He is not present for those whose only parish/chapel/fellowship/Blessed Sacrament is thousands of miles away? For those who do not know the Rosary? For those who are not Roman Catholic?

Mother Teresa often said "We serve Jesus in His most distressing disguise." She was referring to His children created in His image and not to process or procedures or rules etc.

I personally have found that by occasionally turning from "process-procedures etc." toward serving His presence within others I have not been disappointed.
5.12.2010 | 8:24pm
Steve says:
All truth is God's truth; nothing that is not true is of God.

In LC/RC, authority was to be supported at any cost...even the cost of truth. This was not limited to MM: we supported every word and action of the Pope--even though the Pope never claimed he was perfect...indeed, he asked for our prayers. Unless the Bishop directly contradicted the Pope, we supported him in the same loyal way: explaining away and turning away.

An RC-associated, NACHE, attacked homeschoolers who had valid concerns about efforts to impose on homeschoolers the same watered down catechesis that had cost so many diocesan school children their faith. The accusation basically boiled down to: you should NEVER question a bishop!

And this thinking was not limited to RC/LC: Catholics have been routinely accused of being disloyal for suggesting prudential error in Church documents, statements, or acts--or trying to warn of the scandal BEFORE it got out of hand.

Indeed, at our highest encounter with Truth, we have been saying that which we know is not true for 40 years. For example: "credo" does not mean "we believe"--and it's only a dynamic equivalent to the pantheist.

Our dominant thinking has been wishful thinking--without regard to the truth--from Vatican II on. For example, wanting to believe that secular psychologists could cure predators--and quickly too!--even after it was obvious that they were wrong.

We are now seeing that truth matters--not just Truth.

We have to start telling the truth. We cannot support the covering up of evil--even if by a bishop! We cannot pretend that we are experiencing a "new springtime of faith" if we are not.

Our Church is not acting as though human souls are at stake. Even this day, this very day, if a priest, nun, monk, or even bishop "merely" teaches error in the name of the Church--error that could destroy souls--nothing is done for a decade...if even then. If the Magisterium now teaches universal salvation: state it. If not, it's time to start acting like we believe what we claim to believe. It's time to be realistic and honest.
5.12.2010 | 9:34pm
With regard to the reluctance of Church officials to turn over sexual predator to the civil authorities, why do we not follow the rule "render unto Caesar...". It seems to me to be clearly a matter for civil prosecution.
By the way, I am a practicing Catholic, so this does not come out of a desire to smear the Church. I am as profoundly shocked by the whole story as anyone.
5.12.2010 | 9:52pm
Concerned says:
"I ask for full disclosure: authoritative, properly sourced, footnoted, verifiable by third parties and fair. "

The basic rules of evidence apply: who, what, when, where and why. Not gossip. Not anonymous statements about unnamed people and vague situations. Not tall tales. Not leaps of logic. Not wild, unsubstantiated generalizations. For example:

If Former RC were to document his/her story about brainwashing using the 5 Ws, and stand behind her story with his/her real name, it would be a lot more credible than it is presently.

i.e. "The consecrated superiors do much of their 'brainwashing' during recruitment by giving talks. Much of the talks seem off the cuff. "

Name the superior. Where was this talk taking place. Date? What kind of event? Who was there. What was said. Substance of the talk. The audience reaction. And an explanation as to why this was brainwashing. Myriam Webster defines brainwashing as: 1) : a forcible indoctrination to induce someone to give up basic political, social, or religious beliefs and attitudes and to accept contrasting regimented ideas; or 2) persuasion by propaganda or salesmanship. Explain how this was operational in this context.

Such a testimony would have a lot more worth than the unsubstantiated accusation made above. And it could be substantiated and verified.
5.12.2010 | 10:03pm
Raymond Rice says:
I quote you, " protect the man and let him slip away unnoticed" is exactly the mentality that produced our current sex abuse scandal!!! Get with it, Church people!!!
5.13.2010 | 12:43am
You will know them by their fruits.....

I watched in utter disbelief as 20 boys, ages 10 - 12, listened with rapt attention to a lecture by a Legionary Priest on Eucharist - a lecture completely faithful in its content to Church teaching, for 1.5 hours. When it was over they did not want to leave - the wanted more.

I witnessed with my own eyes a bunch of suburban dads reading Papal encyclicals like Casti Conubii, Veritatis Splendor, and others, and they were marvelling at the richness of truth, they were understanding for the first time why birth control pills were wrong.....that they were lied to for so long....

I have spent time in a Catholic Archdiocesan school filled with the Legionary "Charism" - where academics and intellect are important and taught with excellence, but where viritue, love for Christ, daily practice of faitful living are equally as important. And I visit the Archdiocesan high schools planning for my kids secondary education, and I see nothing but lukewarmness, timidity to say "we are Catholic", zeal is a vice. The contrast is stark. I wish their were a Leginary High School.

I have seen the inside of a Legionary High School Seminary for a weekend. I have been to a Legionary ordination. And - I attended a Franciscan High School Seminary myself 30 years ago, including being part of a few ordination ceremonies. The difference could not be bigger. Love for Christ, and zeal for souls animate everyting I have experienced of the Legion.

Now I hear Al Cresta on the Radio, George Weigel, Joseph Bottum here, men I know love The Church, all forcefully putting forth their own opinion of "what must be done" - and to me it is calumny upon calumny. What do we really know about the sins of Fr. Maciel, as fact. Very little. So little do we really know, that we demand a complete factual accounting with references so that we can know. We even look for truth to the National Catholic Reporter - which has shown itself at best a cynical critic of the Magisterium, and acknolwedge shoddy journalism but still run with it. And lacking real truth about the sins of the Legion and Fr. Maciel - we still judge harshly. Calumny upon calumny.

Having grown up in Catholic schools (grade school, high school), and attended a Franciscan high school seminary for 2 years, I can say with conviction that the suburban parishes and establishment Catholic schools in the US are rife with lukewarmness. In those places zeal is a vice. the Legion is beautiful. And I can see why the Legion has so many enemies, for the Legion laughs out of love for Christ and says to those who were made uncomfortable that somebody was a little overzealous.

We can see, if we imagine our own conversation with Christ at judgement, that we will not want to tell him that we were afraid we might hurt someones feelings, or that we were afraid from vanity to speak his name. We can see that we hope we will be able to say that we spoke his name with zeal.

All of those who pile calumny upon calumny - it makes me very, very sad. I see the Legion calling us out of our comfort and lukewarmness. The enemy wants us to believe there is something wrong with the Legion. We believe these voices at a great cost.

Let us put our faith in Holy Mother Church - she will guide us in the right direction. She has already spoken - The Legion of Christ lives within the Church - and needs conversion. Pray with me for the Legion of Christ. God Bless the Legion of Christ.
5.13.2010 | 2:59am
Paul Siena says:
@I love the Legion of Christ:
It is longer a question of enemies, black hats vs. white hats. This line of enemies, if its exists, is not running between those on the inside of the LC and those on the outside who do not understand. The line of good vs. evil as defined by the Holy See runs through the Legion of Christ. What are their sources of information? The sources are none other than the Legionaries themselves. Close to a 1000 interviews were done and it included detailed questionnaires of those with 20, 30 years of living in the Legion. The assessments from the Holy See are the fruit of what the rank-and-file have contributed to their exhaustive study. Now is not the time for defense, put to accompany the order as it is refounded into an institute more worthy of the sincerity of those who wish to continue in its ranks.
5.13.2010 | 8:11am
Susan Schudt says:
Dear Concerned,

I have given my name. I am ex-RC. I will not call out the names of consecrated and LC who told me "lies of the Movement." They are victims too.

The only thing I can say to them and you is:

Those that have ears will hear.

You cannot continue to plug your ears and sing "La La La" because you don't have any names or footnotes. It will take time to absorb the truth. However, one must recognize that the truth is right smack in front of you.

That's why praying to be open is the first step. You will go through the grieving stages.

It took me 9 months of reading life-after-RC, after leaving RC, to realize that they are not the ones who are lying. Now the Holy Father has confirmed it. What more will it take for you to believe the Holy Father's statement, and not the RC spin of it?


God Bless. Cling to Christ alone.
5.13.2010 | 8:47am
I love the Legion,

"You will know them by their fruits....."

And the Holy Father has just informed us that the fruits of Maciel himself are crimes and a life devoid of scruples and authentic religious sentiment.

And that the congregation Maciel created shows that the founder built secrecy and grave abuses of authority/conscience into his system of power.

These are not good fruits the Pope is talking about.

What about all the bad fruit? The men who were sodomized and raped as children? Maciel's concubines who were denied true husbands and fathers for their children? All those abused by Maciel's warped construction of authority and the abuses of the sacraments of confession? All those who have left the Church because of the grave harm inflicted upon them by this order of priests founded by a hardened criminal and lifelong fraud?

Your willingness to paint all seeking truth with the wide Legion Calumny Brush (it worked for decades; it's not working anymore, fyi) really demonstrates the damage done by this organization.

Local LC priests are still insisting their order is "so much more orthodox" than all others (this, after the communique!). According to several posters at life-after-rc, a prominent LC priest recently proclaimed the Legion is the "healthiest order of priests around", and another prominent LC recently marveled at what a blessing it is that Maciel wasn't caught back in the Vatican Investigation of the 50s because of all the "good fruit" that Maciel brought about after that!!! I was flabbergasted. Tell that to the children he sodomized.

Time to let go of the pride and the arrogance that the LC is so much better than the rest of the plain old catholic sinners of the world. The Pope just stated a couple of days ago that the greatest persecutors and enemies of the Church come from within the Church, not from without. It would not surprise me at all if he had Maciel and his supporters in mind as he was making that statement.

Do you think Pope Benedict is a liar? That he commits calumny when he calls Maciel a criminal devoid of scruples and authentic religious sentiment? That he is listening to the "enemy" when he states something is very sick within the Legion? That he doesn't have more than enough information to make a valid judgment against this order? Is he ignorant? I mean, what exactly do you mean by your statements?

Please think about what you are really suggesting here. Because it seems to me that it borders on calumny against the Pope. These are serious matters, and I definitely agree with you that the Church will take care of this gravely scandalous LC/RC debacle. It's been very damaging to the Church and will continue to be so long as the truth is obscured and nobody is held accountable.
5.13.2010 | 9:06am
Krakow says:
Mr. David P. Goldman,

You are absolutely correct. The showdown between Giannoulias and Kirk could be the most prominent lever in stopping the use of instruments of torture such as leaks to the press. Israel cannot allow this Senate seat to be lost. God will guide you to victory in the polling booths of Highland Park.
5.13.2010 | 9:59am
Concerned says:
Susan, no one is saying la-la-la and plugging up their ears. But prayer is no substitute for information. If anything, there has been too much prayer, and not enough substantiation over the past several years, and you in playing the same game as Fr. Alvaro are part of that problem. If you have specifics (the 5 W's) come out with it.

I would say the same thing to Enemy. If there are 'the abuses of the sacraments of confession" these need to be documented (the 5 W's) and acted upon.
5.13.2010 | 11:02am
Concerned,

All I can say is take that up with the Vatican (as far as abuses of confession go), because abuse of the Sacrament of Confession is what Maciel was actually censured for in 2006. The statute of limitations was long past for child rape and sodomy, but at the time, there was no statute of limitations for the sacrilege for a priest absolving somebody with whom they had engaged in sexual activity of any kind.

The Vatican has chosen not to release or make publicly known the many files they have on reports of the many abuses perpetrated by Maciel and the LC and built into his system of power, perhaps to protect the identity of the victims, perhaps to protect curial backsides in the process. Who knows the reasoning?

What I do know is that the Communique clearly spells out that this order of priests reflects a system of power and abuses of conscience/authority inculcated by their criminal founder, a man devoid of scruples and authentic religious sentiment.

Regain had compiled much information on this order and the abuses it has heaped on so many, but it was sued and shut down by the Legion. There are many accounts of lawsuits/whisper campaigns/ruined reputations/job losses for those who have gone pubic with their accounts of what was done to them or what was being done to others by the LC/RC. I would imagine that is why many remain anonymous or silent altogether. They've already sustained great damage at the hands of Maciel's creation and don't have the emotional energy/what-have-you to open themselves up to being harmed again in any way (being accused of being liars and committing calumny is no fun for anybody, nor is being fired or sued). Many of these same people DID send their stories to the Visitators, which is following what the Church asked of them to do. There is no requirement for victims of this order to go public with their stories---they have recounted the abuse they endured to the Visitators, and that is all that the Pope has asked of them, although he did publicly thank those victims and journalists who tried to sound the alarm about this fraudulent deviant and the order he built to protect him. Those who have come forward and had abuse heaped on them by the LC and the conservative Catholic media are praised by B16 for their perseverance and courage.

Bottom line: don't expect to be spoon-fed the truth by anybody any time too soon. It's out there, but we have to work to find it. And although that can be frustrating, it's also perhaps the way it is meant to be. One major aspect of the deformation of this order is that it taught absolute obedience to its authority----all the LC/RC had to do was listen to the "truth" as told to them by their superiors, and they were assured they could not go wrong. They went disastrously wrong. It's perhaps good for so many of us who fell for the comfort of such authority to learn the hard way that life isn't that simple, and we have to do a lot of our own footwork to discover the truth and to make judgments for ourselves using our reason and our God-given brains.

Who do you think would/should/could compile this compendium of documented and footnoted abuses by Maciel and his Legion? Because I honestly don't know who could be an "objective" third party that everyone would believe? As you can see from I Love the Legion's post above, there are people who will continue to believe this is all calumny and lies and the work of the Devil to bring down Holy Man Maciel and the healthiest order of priests around, his great Legion of Christ.

For myself, I have researched online (and most importantly, have seen the behavior of local LCs) enough to feel comfortable that the Pope knows what he is talking about when he speaks of the system of power and abuses of conscience/authority endemic to this order of priests. Like you, I hope someday there will be a compendium of every abuse ever perpetrated by Maciel and by every one of his priests who covered for him and by every well-intentioned LC priest who was simply warped by the methodology and unknowingly heaped abuses upon unsuspecting Catholics. But until that comes out, we are responsible for doing the best we can to discover the truth ourselves. There is plenty of information out there. If you really want to know the truth, you are going to have to start researching for it yourself. We do not have the luxury of waiting around for the compendium when real children are still being malformed by this system of abuse in LC schools all over the world and there hasn't been a single sign that anybody who knowingly or unknowingly has been part of the perpetration of this fraud has ever been held accountable for their behavior.

God bless B16 for persevering getting to the bottom of this Legionary scandal.
5.13.2010 | 11:43am
Jack Keogh says:
@ Concerned
I served in the Legion of Christ for some twenty years. When I came to a point where I felt my "vocation" was in serious conflict with my mental health I realized that I needed to get away from the hectic life of recruitment and fund-raising that I was engaged in. I needed "alone time" to reflect and pray. I spoke with Fr. Maciel whom I had considered as my superior, friend and confidante since I was 17. He sent me to Gabon in Central West Africa. As I child, I always wanted to work with lepers. Eventually, I made the agonizing decision to leave the legion. Since then, I have enjoyed what most would consider a successful career in management consultancy. Over the years, I came to realize that the flaws, greed and corruption that one can find in the corporate world are also present in the Church and all organizations formed by flawed human beings. Of course, the Church must be held to a higher standard. The Vatican has made a strong, unambiguous initial statement condemning Maciel and the deformity he bequeathed to the Legion. If I didn't know the Vatican fairly well, I would say they waited too long. But the Vatican does not proceed on New York time. Jason Berry has made his points and exposed some of the background behind slow moving Church decisions. The Legion seems to be collaborating with the Pope and unwilling to make any moves or statements without Vatican approval. Very soon the Vatican will implement the steps outlined in the initial blunt statement. The case of the Legion offers the opportunity for the Church to show how she can renew herself. I am not sure how much more 'information" there is to reveal. I for one want more action than further lurid details. Cognizant of the lack of information about life in the Legion, especially when Maciel was just picking up speed, I wrote a memoir which starts in Gabon and works its way back through my Legionary life to my native Dublin detailing my personal experience with Fr. Maciel. It's totally subjective - but I think it does offer a degree of insight into what life in the Legion was all about before the awful revelations about Maciel. You can get more detail on my website (www.DrivingStraight.com)
5.13.2010 | 2:02pm
Why consign child molesters and their deceitful bishops to monasteries?

Has anybody asked the monks for their views on this "solution"?
5.13.2010 | 3:02pm
Anne Rice says:
I commend you on this article. But there are still too many unanswered questions about Benedict's role in all this for me. The Pope has to give us answers. He has to give us some coherent explanation of things that have been done, and not done in the past. Remember: Bernard Law is still functioning in Rome. Why is that? If First Things has called for the removal of Bernard Law, and I missed it, I apologize.
5.13.2010 | 4:03pm
hurt says:
For thirty years now I have been accused of calumny by RC members who have LC priests at our family functions. We have about 35-40 members of our extended family in this thing. How I would love/hope/pray these people will come to know what has been done to them and their children. But more importantly what has been done to basic decency and all the people (globally) who have been hurt directly and indirectly by this man (MM) and his legion. And by the men (Sodano et. all) who took their bribes and covered for this horror. They (The Legion/RC) are a symptom of a much broader challenge.
5.13.2010 | 9:20pm
Concerned says:
TheEnemyIsWithin, I am not questioning what has been taken up with the Vatican, nor am I questioning what the Vatican has ruled upon.

What I am questioning is the legitimacy of websites (life after RC ) as providing credible information on the Regnum Christi Movement. There are any number of blogs out there that do give out controversial information and are able to do so ethically, without danger of being sued for defamation and libel, while at the same time providing detailed, authentic information that can be independently verified. See the RC testimonies on Devin Rose's blog as an example. They don't spoon feed their readers either.

To go back to my earlier example, i.e. "The consecrated superiors do much of their 'brainwashing' during recruitment by giving talks. Much of the talks seem off the cuff. " If you expect me to accept such a bald statement as the TRUTH without any more substantiation than that, and from Anonymous to boot, you are telling me to park my brains at the door, and to credulously swallow whatever is being spooned out.

Sorry, but that is not good enough.

Jack Keogh, I appreciate that you have set out your experience with the Legion in a book. It is thanks to efforts and open honesty of people like yourself that others will be able to see more clearly that this is not purely a black and white question, but one that contains many shades and colours.
5.13.2010 | 10:00pm
"There are any number of blogs out there that do give out controversial information and are able to do so ethically, without danger of being sued for defamation and libel, while at the same time providing detailed, authentic information that can be independently verified. See the RC testimonies on Devin Rose's blog as an example. They don't spoon feed their readers either."

With all due respect, if you already have what you want (at the Devin Rose blog), then what are you looking for?

""The consecrated superiors do much of their 'brainwashing' during recruitment by giving talks. Much of the talks seem off the cuff. " If you expect me to accept such a bald statement as the TRUTH without any more substantiation than that, and from Anonymous to boot, you are telling me to park my brains at the door, and to credulously swallow whatever is being spooned out.

Sorry, but that is not good enough. "

I totally agree with you, and for that reason, I have never advocated relying on any one source out there for your information. There are many places to look: Vows of Silence, NCReporter archives (I'm not a lover of the Reporter, but they have been refreshingly accurate on this story for years, while most of the Catholic media were refusing to investigate this story at all), Cassandra's very factual timeline of actual events that happened in the Legion, the various blogs dedicated to helping people sort through this mess, etc.

One report of brainwashing you can take or leave, but when many, many people are reporting the same disturbing accounts of the abuse of authority/conscience at the hands of this order all over the internet, it's time to sit up and take notice.

The Pope clearly spelled out how damaging this system of power created by a criminal has been. It's a very grave matter. Because of the unwillingness of the vast majority of catholic investigative reporters to touch this story for so many years, we are left with a serious void of information in the Catholic press. You can either start researching the many websites out there devoted to helping those who have suffered at the hands of this system of abuse for anecdotal evidence, you can decide to trust the investigative reporting of Berry and Renner, or you can decide it's just not worth the time and effort and accept the words of the Pope at face value. B16 apparently gets it; perhaps that is enough for you? If it's not, then you are going to have to start doing a lot of footwork yourself.

To put in plainly, there IS no easy way to educate yourself on this matter. Trust me, if there were, I would have found it by now. I have spent many hours on researching news stories, blogs, online archives and communicating with victims of this order in various comboxes. It was well worth the effort to me because I had entrusted the safety of my children to this order of priests and have seen disturbing characteristics in my children as a result. In other words, it was my duty to research and get to the bottom of this terrible scandal and insult to our Church. To be honest, if I hadn't personally experienced a few of the very many disastrous consequences of the malformation in the LC by Maciel, I probably would be quite happy to accept the Pope's judgment on the matter and would not have bothered investing so much time and energy into the matter. All things happen for a reason, though, and I am glad I know now what I do. Perhaps in the future I will be able to protect my children better having learned the hard way about cults within our Church.

I wish I had an easy answer for you, but it's just going to take time to unearth the kind of information you are looking for. Obviously, the information exists---the Pope made his judgment based on the reports of many, many victims of this order of priests. The Visitation was not about Maciel; the Visitation was about finding out if/how Maciel's malicious spirit may have twisted the very structure of the order. What Benedict found apparently alarmed him, given the extraordinarily strong tone of condemnation in the latest communique. This kind of language is almost unheard of in Vatican-speak, which is almost always very soft and diplomatic in tone.

All I can say is that I will pray for you and for all searching for the truth on this matter. I believe in my heart that God will never abandon those who are seriously seeking truth. God bless.
5.13.2010 | 11:10pm
anonout says:
Jack Keough says:
"The Legion seems to be collaborating with the Pope and unwilling to make any moves or statements without Vatican approval."

You must have missed the internal talking points that came out within days of the Pope's communique guiding the LC/RC to the positive spin.

http://www.life-after-rc.com/2010/05/talking-points.html
5.13.2010 | 11:21pm
Anonout says:
I Love the Legion says:

"the enemy wants us to believe there is something wrong with the Legion."

no, actually that was the Pope who just told us that last week.

Many amazing priests have been called to service to the Church thru LC. I have seen that love and zeal too. If their love for Christ and the Church is true - it will continue wherever the Lord calls them - even if it is out of LC or a completely refounded order. If their love is greater for the LC order than they will stay in denial and rationalize even the Pope's statements and George Weigel and other well known theologians who have spoken strongly and clearly about the problems.

Noone is knocking the innocent people who fell victim to Maciel, we are supporting our Pope when he told us that Maciel is without religious sentiment and his order he started as some serious problems that a delegate needs to review.
5.14.2010 | 12:05am
In response to TheEnemyIsWithin...

I am afraid you have interpreted my original post exactly in the opposite of what I meant. I was not suggesting calumny by the Holy Father - I meant exactly the opposite - the information which has been officially released after the apostolic visitation is the information which we can confidently assume to be true. In addition, the most recent statements from the Legion which contained admissions and apologies might be assumed to offer some glimpse into the sins of Fr. Maciel that are true.

What I meant by "calumny upon calumny", first, is that is what it feels like to me, who am in a state of grief. The thing which sits uncomfortably in my gut is that there are so many people, and in this I included first Mssrs. Weigel, Bottum, and also Al Cresta on the radio, and also you, who seem to have a certainty about specific kinds and numbers of the sins of Fr. Maciel, the information of which come from sources which it seems we can't really discern with certitude the validity of (though I am willing to admit some or all may be completely true). And to speak in such vile fashion - when (as it seems to me) we don't really know the truth of his sins, feels like a kind of calumny.

There is so much vitriole - and some of it is directed at what I experience as so very much good. Grief.

I beg you then, I beg Mssrs Weigel, Bottum, Cresta - let us be united in our prayers for the Mystical Body of Christ. The sins of Maciel - and our own sins - tear at her and surely divide. We do not yet know the full measure of the consequences of these sins and they may indeed be writ very large in the history of the Church. Let us agree to pray for Her, and to strive for our own personal holiness, that we may be faithful instruments.
5.14.2010 | 7:33am
Concerned says:
TheEnemyIsWithin

"One report of brainwashing you can take or leave, but when many, many people are reporting the same disturbing accounts of the abuse of authority/conscience at the hands of this order all over the internet, it's time to sit up and take notice."

I have become aware, Enemy, that there are not many, many people, but the same people--maybe about a dozen, certainly less than two--- who consistently repeat the same short, propagandistic messages in all the comboxes that mention the Legion and Regnum Christi in any kind of manner. It is obvious in reading many of them, that they have no experience of the Movement, nor of the Legion, because of the many absurdities that are said. They have no knowledge of organizational behavior. They have no interest in engaging in any kind of dialogue, but in repeating a line, as unsubstantiated as the one I referenced.

Now, as far as I am concerned, anything stands for improvement and criticism is a legitimate exercise that enables abuses to be denounced, and things to be improved. But do be clear about it. If you are accusing Fr Maciel, be clear about it. If you are criticizing a particular Legion school, be clear about it. If you are criticizing an abuse of the confessional by a priest be clear as to the nature of the abuse, where it took place, and for heaven's sake, take it up with your Bishop--don't limit your actions to denouncing it in a combox.

I have read many Internet sites that are critical to the Legion, but they are populated by the same dozen people, with the same lacunae as to any kind of discipline in reporting their story. And that is the pity.

Benedict's message is balanced, and recognizes much good in the order and in its youthful priests. The message is one of needed reforms to be brought, particularly in giving them more freedom in their religious life. I wish the delegate much success. The tree is young enough to be staked and pruned and to thrive in the sunshine and fresh air.
5.14.2010 | 7:51am
I Love the Legion,

Calumny is a very serious sin, which you definitely appeared to be accusing those who believe the Pope's description of Maciel as a criminal devoid of scruples and authentic sentiment of. Calumny is "a false and malicious statement designed to injure the reputation of someone or something".

Just because you don't know the sins of Maciel doesn't mean nobody else does. Have you read Vows of Silence? How do you KNOW for certain that anybody ever does anything? The CDF investigated this criminal in the early part of this decade and sent him off to a life of prayer and penitence as a result, which everybody in the Church but the LC/RC immediately recognized as the Church's common discipline for elderly sex perverts. At the time, Msgr Scicluna said there were more than 20 but less than 100 known victims of Maciel.

Just because the news of Maciel's perversion and the fact that his perversion has seriously twisted his order of priests and the lay movement he founded is new to you, does not mean it hasn't been adequately researched and judged, as the communique makes very obvious. The Pope has discovered that the order has been seriously affected by the malicious spirit of its founder and is going to help repair this great damage with the love and pastoral concern of a shepherd for his sheep.

It may feel like calumny to you, but at least be open to the possibility that it feels that way because of the damage the system of abuse of conscience and authority, which secured the silence of the entourage, has done to so many Catholics. It's one thing to be hurt by the news that so many have known for so long but which is fresh to you; it's another thing to call the revelations of such news "calumny upon calumny". Calumny is intentional lying to ruin reputations. Calumny is a grievous sin. Calumny is what Maciel and his followers committed against all those abuse victims and journalists who were trying to sound the alarm and protect other innocent Catholics from getting sodomized, raped, and mentally abused. This distorted notion of "calumny" is a big part of the "ensuring the silence of the entourage" that the communique is talking about. Maciel convinced his followers that any talk about the truth about him was calumny, when in reality he was encouraging his followers to sin by committing calumny against others.

I am sorry this is painful to you, I truly am. But your pain does not give you the right to accuse others of serious sin. Charity is NOT "believe all the good you hear, and only the bad you see with your own eyes, and even then excuse it internally" (Maciel's definition of charity, and the PERFECT set-up for a deviant pedophile). Charity is seeking the truth and proclaiming it.

Allow yourself time to grieve, but don't accuse others of calumny because you are in pain. When you are able to, start doing some research and reading for yourself. There is plenty of information out there. The days of being able to comfortably stick our heads in the sand and listen to the LC version of truth are long over. (I was once there, too)

And yes, let's all join in prayer that our Holy Father will be able to clean this evil and filth out of our Holy Mother Church while providing pastoral care and saving all the good people who were sucked into this warped structure devised by a man without scruples or religious sentiment of any kind.
5.14.2010 | 9:07am
Jack Schibik says:
Let us not forget that while holding anyone responsible and accountable we do not
punish by our word or deed. We forgive and reconcile. Forgiveness is rooted in our
common frailty as humans. We have all experienced the perennial limits of being
human. Forgiveness sets the condition for reconciliation. A person is reconciled
when they have changed and aligned with the attitude, affect, and action of Jesus'
life of surrender in service for solidarity.
Requiring a life of prayer is not sufficient for change.
Sodano needs to submit to in depth spiritual direction to help him understand the
profound effect of his behavior on the church's mission. He does not need to be
stripped of his institutional power as much as he needs to be cleansed of the institutionalism and clericalism that has contaminated his power to serve rather than be served.
5.14.2010 | 10:10am
TheEnemyIsWithin,

Stop it. Stop pitting me against the Holy Father. I certainly never thought it, I certainly did not mean to imply it in my posts, and I clearly have not. You are manufacturing it - inserting a wedge where there is no crack and hammering it. I include myself among "those who believe the Pope's description of Maciel".

You are wrong to assume that all allegations against Fr. Maciel are new to me. They are not. I poured over everything avaiable before I ever became involved with the Legion.

What is new is that prominent men who I am sure love the Church are using the Holy Father's message as a license to say very many things which the Holy Father did not say. To pile their own adjectives upon, fashion new and stronger descriptions. These statements are inviting many more to jump in and pile on their own strongly worded statements. And these statements are being applied broadly - such that LC/RC are being branded as either innocent brainwashed boobs or evil complicitors; Do you believe it was the will of the Holy Father for so many to amplify and expound on the official release, to find new creative language for the sins of Fr. Maciel?

Sin always divides, I am sure we agree on that. I also feel safe in assuming we agree that the sins of Fr. Maciel will continue to divide His Body. But for how long? What are we to do - those who love the Legion and those who hate the Legion? I don't have any good answers beyond what I am also sure we agree on - to pray for The Church, to trust in Her to do the right thing, and to pray most especially for all those who have been hurt .
5.14.2010 | 10:59am
Concerned,

"Now, as far as I am concerned, anything stands for improvement and criticism is a legitimate exercise that enables abuses to be denounced, and things to be improved. But do be clear about it. If you are accusing Fr Maciel, be clear about it. If you are criticizing a particular Legion school, be clear about it. If you are criticizing an abuse of the confessional by a priest be clear as to the nature of the abuse, where it took place, and for heaven's sake, take it up with your Bishop--don't limit your actions to denouncing it in a combox."

And this is exactly what many victims have done, by making detailed reports to their bishops and visitators. Jason Berry and Gerald Renner were very clear in their investigative reporting as to detailed accounts of the abuse victims and exactly who was being accused by them. There are also several books detailing the vices of Maciel and the way those vices affected the development of the Legion in spanish, so if you are spanish-speaking, you might find information there as well (I am not, so I have had to rely on sources in English).

I would also venture to say you have no right to judge that people are limiting their comments to the comboxes. Many, if not most, who have posted in the comboxes have come right out and stated that they have written letters and had meeting with their local bishops and Archbishop Chaput. Quite honestly, none of these people has to answer to you and your requirement that they post the details of the horrors they endured out on the internet for your satisfaction. The people who post in the comboxes have every right to share as much or as little of their experiences as they please; many of them have found comfort and solace in those same comboxes, sharing experiences with those who truly understand. If you don't find the comboxes helpful, nobody is holding a gun to your head to make you keep visiting them.

I misunderstood you in the sense that I thought you were frustrated in your attempts to find accuracy on the web and were looking for help, and I was simply trying to make suggestions as to where you might begin to look for details (Vows of Silence), timelines of what actually happened in the Legion (Cassandra's webpage), and accounts of actual victims of the methodology as well as helpful links to news articles and direct sources of letters by Alvaro, Garza, and others in LC/RC (life-after-rc)

These have been very helpful to me in helping sort through the damage I brought my children by entrusting them to this malformed system of power and abuse of conscience/authority the Pope so strongly condemns. If these sources are not helpful to you, all I can do is simply pray that you find resources to help you in your search.

As for it being the "dozen or two" posting all over the internet, I have no idea on what you base this judgment and have no reason to believe it is accurate. But then again, I have many friends/family both in the employ of the Legion and in RC who have verified the types of comments I see all over the internet, so perhaps I don't feel a need to try to verify those 12-24 posters you mention. I've seen enough with my own eyes and have heard enough accounts of abuse by people I know and love to know many of the familiar stories I read on the internet are likely true, given what I have seen in my own life in the past 15 months or so.

I also feel confident, that even if it IS the same one or two dozen people posting on the internet, the Pope had access to information from MANY, MANY more victims than that. The Visitators worked hard to get to the heart of the matter by speaking and investigating into many accounts of abuse in this order, and I feel confident that he didn't rely on the account of 12-24 people to come to his very damning conclusions as to how Maciel's criminality and deviance has infested the very structure of this order of priests.

Moreover, the Pope expressed his gratitude to all the victims and investigators who have tried to sound the alarm about this deviant and his order of priests for years, praising them for the perseverance and courage in trying to get the truth out despite being vilified and insulted by the LC. And yes, I do believe those dozen or so posters you mention, who have been persistent in outing the abuses inherent in the structure of this order of priest, were some of those the Pope was praising and thanking.

I'm sorry you are not finding the internet helpful to you in your search, but I trust you and I can both agree that the Pope and the Visitators have devoted much time and effort into finding out the truth, and we certainly can agree to pray that the Holy Father will find the most pastoral way possible to help all of those affected by this order and to salvage the great good present in so very many of the LC/RC members who were simply trying to love Christ but found themselves duped by a sexual pervert and his construction of secrecy and abuse of power/authority instead. Peace.
5.14.2010 | 12:44pm
Concerned says:
Enemy is Within, what point is there in discussing with someone who feels vindicated by the Pope, even though his statements do not represent, as Love the Legion has pointed out, the totality of Benedict's message, but instead a distortion of it? You may have the last word, in copious paragraphs. In closing, I can only recommend that you be more like Renner and Berry.
5.14.2010 | 1:02pm
Alas, wordiness is a definite fault of mine! My apologies to all.

In the end, Concerned, Catholics of good will can agree to disagree but join in prayer that the Pope will salvage all the good in the many sincere and well-intentioned in the LC/RC, no matter what form the Holy Father decides is best for the "purification" of the order.

God bless.
5.14.2010 | 9:55pm
Diane K says:
First, I am as devastated by the sins that cry out to heaven. I pray daily for the sanctification of the priesthood, and for the healing of those victimized physically, and for those scandalized in anyway by priests. We need holy priests, and holy bishops. The mark of the priesthood is in the crosshairs of the Angel of Darkness who knows if he can get one priest or bishop, he gets many more souls.

I know nothing of Cardinal Sodano's guilt or innocence. The point I make below does not in any way dismiss valid questions that are raised. Those are duly noted. I want to address specifically the what is said about Raffaello Follieri - the Cardinal's nephew. I think we have to take care not to cross a line where we, "assume as true, without sufficient foundation, the moral fault of a neighbor" (CCC 2477).

I know good people who have lousy nieces and nephews, siblings, children, and parents who are corrupt. Are these good people guilty by association to their corrupt family members? In light of this independent report which I quote in part below, I don't thnk that it is fair to make Cdl Sodano guilty by association to his nephew. I sure hope I am not judged by what some of my relatives have done.

This is noteworthy from the TimesOnline, October 24, 2008:

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Unless something else has come out after the fact that proves Sodano was somehow involved in the wrongdoing of his nephew, or proves it affected his judgment, that part should be struck from the argument.
5.17.2010 | 12:58pm
Jeannette says:
"Concerned" and "I Love the Legion",
One thing to keep in mind when you're reading comments over at life-after-rc.com or articles at www.regainnetwork.org, is that although the sites have now become a source of truthful information about the Legion of Christ and Regnum Christi, they are very much involved with helping people to recover from their LC/RC involvement; requests for footnotes are therefore inappropriate there.

It is in discussing the problems on blogs like that (and exlegionaries.com before Fr Peter Hopkins sued to shut it down) that RC's and exRC's have learned that their negative experiences are so common that it seems the problems traits are a Legion M.O.

Personally, I think the Vatican was thanking everyone who has been brave enough to speak up about the Legion these past several decades, not just the two dozen or so of us who have been more public about it.

"I Love the Legion", I strongly suggest you find someone other than the Legion to help you understand the Vatican's May 1 statement; your interpretation is almost exactly the LC's spun one. Remember how wrong these same guys were in 2006? Didn't they say that Maciel was innocent, bearing his cross in a Christlike manner, and you were all waiting for him to be exonerated like Padre Pio or Joan of Arc? Yikes. Now they're telling you there is a charism, and you should go on recruiting, and all you need are minor adjustments, and those of us telling you otherwise hate the Church and want to destroy it?
5.17.2010 | 10:56pm
celeste says:
"concerned" et al ought be more gracious to their brothers and sisters in Christ who have been troubled by or even hurt by the LC/RC. As they hint, and the LC has made clear, courage is required to speak against the LC and RC. Being close to and hurt by the recruitment and formation processes, and now seeing how much they have infiltrated our local diocese, leaves me saddened and worried for the future. The LC/RC's core modus operandi is to exploit the breakdown of orthodoxy in the Church, to recruit people and funds to build more signifiers of the order's greatness. Divisions result between loyalists and those who cannot in conscience participate, nor would they be welcome, in spiritual activities, because they are now infected by Maciel's spirituality and by certain RC pre-occupations. There is a hubris at the very heart of the organisation that is likely to be most spiritually unhealthy. Also there, in nearly every dealing is a ruthless utilitarianism and a manipulative secrecy (discretion). Unless, very holy or very well read beyond LC prescriptions, most believe in the superiority of their organisation vis a vis other orders, the Church etc, even when they actually may know little about it.
Yes there are good LCs and RCs,etc but probably in spite of their formation and organisational culture. Perhaps the Holy Spirit looks after them, even though the LC/RC formation process tries so hard to shut him out.
Re Bottom on Sodano, I am glad he addresses this, but thought his characterisation of his career long patterns of vice as "mistakes" unfortunate. We have a cultural problem in the Church's clerical part. It seems that many see themselves as the Church and we as the external clients. Hence some bishops' rush to defend and protect their priests, and some bishops' use of church structures to personal worldly advantage. Hence also, the deprivation of the laity of right liturgy, and the utter disinterest in the scandalous state of catholic education. Obviously, their are many holy conscientious priests, even bishops. But many, although generally meaning well, remain tainted by this ecclesial clericalist culture.
5.19.2010 | 4:07am
kmc says:
Any Bishop or regional superior who is found to have shielded morally corrupt underlings or others from their due punishment by accepting any kind of financial or other "favor", who has deliberately been too busy to do a thorough investigation of serious charges, is too incompetent to hold office in the reformed Vatican Curia & Congregations.

Such Hierarchs should also lose their rights to attend and vote in the Papal conclaves for life, since they had less sense of right & wrong than most.

Since they have no personal moral compass, they are not fit to judge the suitability of the prospective candidates for the next Pope!
6.1.2010 | 7:23am
Mambo says:
I have no evidence other than conversations and gleamings from ex-lc, but it seems that Marcial had many victims in the LC (and some of them are still in the LC) a sign that the Legion is truly purifying itself would be to first help all those who are still inside - no matter their age or position - to be asked to come forward and tell their story of how MM abused them. I hope more pressure could be put on the LC to help the older victims, still within the LC to come out from under the abusive structure that is still trying to internally handle and maybe? help them.
2.15.2011 | 12:00pm
VMWare says:
Once again Joseph, I must commend you on your skilled handling of a very delicate topic. No one likes to talk about abused and sodomized children, but it is an issue that must be addressed. Like you mentioned in your last paragraph; "For either purpose, a figure such as Cardinal Sodano has to be removed from his current position and told to serve the Church in prayer. Everyone inside the Church needs to be taught that there are consequences for scandalous mistakes."

These issues must not be swept under the rug, but rather exposed by the light of the gospel, so that the transforming power of Christ can work in the lives of everyone involved. The general public needs to know that the well being of gods children(of all ages) is of the greatest importance to the Catholic Church. As I see it, action is the best way to convey this.

Also, your closing statement is one that all Catholics should strive to embrace, and is certainly worth quoting. "And, for the outside world, Catholicism needs a story to tell, a narrative that can convey the simple truth: Despite the sins of its members, the Church remains what it has been—a light in dark places, a force of charity for the weak and the poor, and a hope for humankind on its way to the saving truth that is God." Let's all make an effort to live out this narrative through confession and forgiveness, each and every day.
2.21.2011 | 1:59pm
Nigel says:
Sin always divides, I am sure we agree on that. I also feel safe in assuming we agree that the sins of Fr. Maciel will continue to divide His Body. But for how long? What are we to do - those who love the Legion and those who hate the Legion? I don't have any good answers beyond what I am also sure we agree on - to pray for The Church, to trust in Her to do the right thing, and to pray most especially for all those who have been hurt .

Let us not forget that while holding anyone responsible and accountable we do not punish by our word or deed. We forgive and reconcile. Forgiveness is rooted in our common frailty as humans. We have all experienced the perennial limits of being
human. Forgiveness sets the condition for reconciliation. A person is reconciled when they have changed and aligned with the attitude, affect, and action of Jesus' life of surrender in service for solidarity.
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