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The Legion’s Scandal of Stalled Reform

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Cardinal Velasio de Paolis was named papal delegate to the Legionaries of Christ early in July 2010 to shepherd the congregation through a “process of profound re-evaluation” as mandated in a communiqué from the Holy See to the Legionaries on May 1st of that same year. His appointment followed upon a close scrutiny of all Legionary houses of formation and apostolate—a “canonical visitation”—conducted by a team of bishops appointed by the Pope. The visitation was mandated by Benedict after the congregation’s major superiors admitted in early 2009 that Maciel had lived a morally depraved double life, fathering at least a daughter and perhaps other children from at least one mistress, and sexually abusing young seminarians.

After twenty-three years as a Legionary, I discerned that it was best for me to abandon the congregation in 2009. Since the naming of De Paolis, I have watched and waited for needed reform. Now, two years later, I have decided to lift my silence to express my deep disappointment as well as my profound concern for the fine young men and dedicated priests who still compose the Legion.

In point of fact, the Legionaries are not some centuries-old and long-cherished religious family, deserving of every ounce of the Church’s energies to salvage it. The Legion’s seventy-one years of existence are immersed in controversy. Serious questions have been raised about the various “approvals” of the Legion in the 1940’s on account of Maciel’s duplicity. The Legion also escaped extinction under dubious circumstances after a Vatican investigation of Maciel in the 1950’s. I have held for quite some time that it would have been best for the Legionaries and the Church had Benedict opted to suppress the congregation. That he did not do.

We have, rather been witnesses of two years of stalled reform. Part of this must be attributed to Legion’s papal delegate, Cardinal de Paolis. A long-time Vatican bureaucrat and canonist who does not speak Spanish, the Legion’s official language, de Paolis’s has made two decisions which, over time, may well prove to be the congregation’s final undoing. First, he has chosen to leave multiple longtime and close collaborators of Maciel in positions of governance in the congregation. Second, and more disturbing, the Cardinal has chosen to forego a thorough and independent investigation into whether any present or former members of the congregation knowingly abetted Maciel.

Meanwhile, De Paolis’s approach to the “process of profound re-evaluation” has been to institute a series of group dialogues amongst Legionaries about the current constitutions, to task a small commission of Legionary priests (some of Maciel’s closest collaborators) to “re-write” the text of the Legion’s constitutions, and to prepare the groundwork for a general chapter of the congregation sometime in the next twenty-four to thirty-six months.

Current members more open to radical renewal believe that the most likely result of such a process will be little more than superficial and cosmetic changes to norms and discipline—a far cry from the sweeping changes to the internal culture of the congregation so urgently needed.

To be sure, the Catholic faithful have a right to a detailed account of just how the case of Marcial Maciel and the Legion could have ever happened in the first place. The facts—no matter what they may reveal in terms of negligence, omission, and even complicity from within the ranks of the Roman Curia itself—would be far less scandalous than the present refusals to know and embrace the truth.

The Legion’s superiors, meanwhile, have fostered a culture of institutional opposition to the radical reform that is truly required. The vast majority of superiors remain beholden to the presumption that there is something—some nucleus of norms and traditions—fundamentally sound and salvageable in the Legionary way of life. This is bolstered by the institutional conviction that the naming of a Papal Delegate constituted a de facto pontifical "approval" of the Legion's continuation as a congregation and affirmation of the existence of a valid charism and mission. Those contentions remain un-argued assertions which beg theological substantiation.

Also disturbing is evidence that far too many Legionary superiors—in the face of growing evidence of sexual impropriety and abuse in their own members—continue to embrace and foster a culture of cover-up and lack of transparency. Responding to Legionary Fr. Thomas Williams’ recent admission that he had fathered a child with a woman several years ago while maintaining a high profile media ministry, Legionary General Director Fr. Alvaro Corcuera responded with a patently disingenuous letter posted on the Legion’s website on May 21st. It contains assurances of ethical oversight of clerical misbehavior in the Legion’s ranks: “Today, when a serious charge is brought against any Legionary, we take precautionary measures.” The letter notably avoids an explanation of the historic pattern of cover-up by Legionary superiors, including Corcuera himself who astoundingly admits that he sat on knowledge of the Williams case not only during the canonical visitation of the congregation but even during the first year of De Paolis’s tenure as delegate.

Based on a recent conversation with a Legionary priest heavily involved in some of these cases of abuse, I can only conclude that, sadly, Fr. Corcuera’s letter never would have seen the light of day had not the press been pushing for information about allegations against some former and current Legionary priests, and had not a former Legionary priest forwarded information in regard to some of these allegations to the Congregation for the Doctrine of the Faith.

It is the Legionaries’ unquestioning allegiance and fidelity to the current major superiors which, in turn, is the principal obstacle to the emergence of new charismatic leadership from within the Legion’s ranks. Such blind loyalty to men who could have been gravely negligent in their dealings with Maciel is unfathomable. The Church has never required of its religious that, in obeying the superior, they check human reason or critical thinking at the door.

Deeply troubling also are continued signs of an institutional resistance to the vocational discernment so necessary to each of the priests and the seminarians who remain in the congregation. The first immediate and obvious need of Legionaries three years ago (and still needed by so many today) was to open themselves to a genuine re-discernment of their vocation.

Why? Because the revelations about Maciel’s moral aberrations should have upended—in the minds and hearts of all Legionaries—the fundamental understanding of the religious family on which they based their choice to join the congregation in the first place. Indeed, it should have opened their entire vocational history to prayerful and discerning scrutiny. Which of us would have joined the Legionaries or made our temporal or final profession of vows, much less gone on to ordination, had we known of Maciel’s depravities? In my own case, the only prudent course of action in 2009 was immediately to seek sound spiritual direction from an experienced director outside of the Legion. Every Legionary at the time should have received assistance in doing the same. Every Legionary who remains today, if he has not already worked through that process, should be given the means to do so. Yet, the many current Legionary superiors would appear oblivious to such common—pastoral—sense. Family members of Legionary seminarians would do well, therefore, to persevere in convincing their loved ones to request a period of time to return home, and in a non-Legionary environment, aided by a sound spiritual director from outside the congregation, carefully to discern God’s will for their lives.

Is reform still possible in such an environment? No Catholic observer of the unprecedented saga of the Legionaries—much less the Legionaries themselves—should be closed to the unlimited possibilities of the Holy Spirit. However, given the current leadership of the Legionaries, we have serious reasons to doubt. It seems the congregation is today in a slow but certain demise, and this gradual disappearance of the Legion as the Church has known it would be—in my opinion and the opinion of many—a welcome relief.

The Church does not need the institution of the Legion of Christ. What is good in the Legion is the ensemble of elements of spirituality, piety, and traditions of religious life that are not unique to the Legion, but which rather emanate from the Church’s own spiritual patrimony. What the Church does very much need, however, are the good and zealous men who currently remain in the Legion.

Fr. Thomas V. Berg is Professor of Moral Theology at St. Joseph’s Seminary in Yonkers, New York. He was a member of the Legionaries of Christ for twenty-three years.

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Comments:

6.22.2012 | 9:36am
former LC says:
Good for you Fr. Thomas Berg!

We need more men of courage who speak the truth about the culture of deception and fraus inherent in the Legion. The current crop of superiors are all Maciel loyalists who were complicit in his crimes. They should be held acoountable for their inaction and willfull collaboration. Instead, they still hold positions of authority in the (de)formation of young men. It's a scandal.

You are very brave, Fr. Berg. And you are NOT in the minority. We still stand with you. -10 years an LC
6.22.2012 | 10:01am
Georg says:
Dear Rev. Thomas, thank you very much for those words, I - being an insider myself - can only undeline how true they are. God bless
6.22.2012 | 1:23pm
Having lived as a missionary priest in Mexico for 35 years, I have observed the Legion as an outsider. The story of the Legion is a perfect example of how an institution can live in denial. Outsiders were more aware of what was going on in the Legion than were insiders, basically because those who quit the Legion told their stories over the years. After the revelations were made public, the Legion is desperately trying to continue to live in denial—that is all they ever learned to do. They continue to use public conferences and vocational propaganda to send their message to the world: "Life goes on just fine in the Legion."
6.22.2012 | 2:05pm
Sandy says:
Keeping the same superiors in place has never made sense. This decision points to a lack of will on the part of the Vatican to pursue substantial reform. Installing a non-Spanish speaker as delegate set De Paolis at a disadvantage right from the beginning. It seems the goal is to "appear" to be doing something about the Legion, while ensuring that no one is ever held to account for coverup, aiding and abetting, unjust treatment of victims, practice of a dubious methodology, financial irregularities, and so on. One has to wonder, what is the goal in setting the reform up for failure?

I wish Fr Berg's article had addressed the matter of the charism, or lack thereof. Not only is the Legion unnecessary, it lacks a charism. If the Legion still doesn't know what the charism is, isn't it time to conclude there isn't one? As far as I know, charisms are not arrived at through committee decisions. I don't believe the Holy Spirit would keep a charism hidden this long. To say "we're sure we have a charism, the Holy Spirit just hasn't revealed it to us yet" makes no sense. Nor do I believe a charism was transmitted to a depraved founder.
6.22.2012 | 2:13pm
Paul Lennon says:
People who have been involved in serious questioning and even criticism of the Legion of Christ may know me. I may even be on the Legion's "hit list" -not as crazy as it sounds-. Legion superiors, especially the "old guard" Fr. Berg is referring to- do not like to be doubted or questioned, and they can get very annoyed -even nasty- when they are put on the spot.
This is the first time that Fr. Berg has been so direct in his questioning and criticism. His had not been an angry or strident voice. His has been and is a voice of faith and reason.
Will Cardinal DePaolis and other Vatican officials listen to the voices of faith and reason?
That is my ardent wish and prayer.
If they don't, the Legion of Christ will not be reformed; it is a cancer that will continue to metastacize inside the Catholic Church
6.22.2012 | 2:41pm
Bill says:
I really think Fr Alvaro and Fr Williams need to be addressed individually, and their decisions were not influenced by the entire order at all. I've never met an LC in denial, and really do not know what you are talking about. The Holy See does not like to disband orders they have approved. Life goes on for all of us.
6.22.2012 | 3:03pm
Fr. Berg,
I was an RC member since 1977 and until last year I attended weekly meetings EC, etc.
I also do not see any changes. But one thing they should have done is to halt immediately any new ordinations of their own and recruitment of any new seminarians. And I don't know, but I think this is within the power of Card. De Paolis, isn't it?
Anyway, much harm has been done to the Church in its individual members.
Many more things can be said, but I don't have the time do so, they are many ...
Take care, God Bess you!
Paco Cortés
6.22.2012 | 3:43pm
Melissa G. says:
Thank you for speaking the truth. I pray every day that the truth will continue to come out regarding Legion of Christ. There "business as usual" approach slaps in the face of every victim.
6.22.2012 | 4:00pm
hear heart says:
Thank you, First Things for lending this forum to Rev. Berg. This is one of the institutions I had doubts about because of the late Fr. Neuhaus and his, "scurrilous", remark concerning the charges against Marciel. And thank you Fr. Thomas for writing it.
Can You Hear My Heart Break
Over these 70+ years The Founder and his Legion have been the scourge of many decent people. Bertone , Sadano and anyone who tried to defend the indefensible including our late, great and beloved John Paul II.

When Marciel died it was written, Interger (the money bags of the LC/RC) had cash assets worth 33 billion (that's right billion with b) dollars over and above it's many real estate holdings. And the guess is a safe one that Integer and the upper strata of the Legion go hand -in-glove, as to why the LC/RC might reform rather than being suppressed as would appear the only Godly and reasonable thing to do. The same guys decern our saints .
6.22.2012 | 4:12pm
Lou says:
Sometimes it is best just to leave when you can do no more, i'm sure with the Holy Spirit's guidance you have mede the right decision, by the way were you a former alumnai of Saint Michael's parish 4th avenue in brooklyn, new york?, in the 60's when I went there, the Berg's also attended there, God bless., Vivat Jesus
Lou Gmiter
3rd Degree Knight
Murrieta, Ca. Council 11393
6.22.2012 | 4:31pm
Fr John S says:
Thank you Fr Thomas. Great article.
As to a detailed account for Catholic faithful, how about a detailed account for the Legionaries. I have always said there can be no real reform unless the details of the Apostolic Visitators were made know to the Legionaries. As far as I know this has not been done. Maybe I'm wrong. I don't know.
In as much as the presumption that the superiors believing there is something salvageable, I think this stems from B16's remarks that the Legion is fundamentally sound. But I think the Pope was referring to the a great majority of LC's who are sincerely seeking to do good, not just rewriting the Constitution.
6.22.2012 | 6:33pm
I am pleased to find this article by Fr. Thomas Breg in First Things. I am also gald to know that he is teaching Moral Theology at Dunwoodie. He was a student of mine many years ago at the Legion seminary in Cheshsire, CT. I certainly agree with his position so clearly expressed and am also glad that he has come out so clearly. For so many of us the Legion experience which lasted so many years was very traumatic. In my own case, first of all, the superiors banned me from entering any house or speaking to any member. Then the badmouthed to me every bishop I approached, 22 of them in the U.S. Canada, Australia, New Zealand, Argentina and Chile. Finally I found a bishop in Spain who was willing to take me on without the usual three year tiral period. I had 22 years of trouble from them, including nine years of my attempt to get out of it. That was before the sanctioning of Maciel by the CDF with the approval of Pope Benedict.
All of us put great hope in the mission of Cardinal De Paollis, but alas it has been a total disaster. Just last year, several professors of theology at the Legions Regina Apostolorum Center in Rome where exiled to remote places, just as I was back in 1998. Nothing has changed. The commission appointed to rewrite the constitutions has included the supposed private vows disallowed and abolished by Pope Benedict in their draft. That should give anyone interested an idea of what kind of reform they want.
6.22.2012 | 7:59pm
To all

I was a member of RC for around 3 years and was a coworker for 1 of those years. During that time I worked extensively with the RC youth groups. While I did not personally see any direct abuse I did see behavior that deeply concerned me. This was specifically the recruiting methods of the Legion. What I saw was that any member of an RC youth group that could be described as charismatic and/or with leadership abilities were told they had a vocation. I remember seeing the immense pressure placed on these young men who could have contributed to their community in many ways that were not only becoming a Legionary. I remember being on a hike with a legionary and telling him about a young man I had worked with in my home town who was very dynamic and motivated in his parish. He had considered a vocation but decided it was not for him. When I told this story to the LC brother I was walking with he exclaimed that this person has made the wrong choice and these abilities should lead him towards a priestly vocation. The Legionary Brother also expressed an interest in getting to know this young man for the purpose of what I can assume was recruitment. Finally I also felt tremendous pressure myself upon completing my first as a co-worker to join the legion. To me the whole method of drawing in only the talented young men and pressuring them rightly or wrongly about Gods will regarding their vocation.

Ultimately while I realize a priestly vocation is a sacred and deeply personal thing I could not ignore the reoccurring trend in legionary recruitment practices.

Much love to you all, especially all those current and past LC and RC members struggling through this time.
6.22.2012 | 10:24pm
Tim says:
Thank you, Fr Thomas.

After many years of active leadership within Regnum Christi, I too discerned that a formal departure from the Movement and it's institutional avoidance of the essential questions about it's own pedagogy was necessary for my own spiritual health. As an American, the summit of that disregard was the new assignment of Fr Garza as territorial director. I wondered if the Legionary leadership could be any more "tonedeaf" to what was needed for the American interests. Your essay was a succinct summary of my own observations and reasons to lose hope in authentic reform and long-term relevance of both the Legion and the Movement.
6.22.2012 | 11:29pm
Former LC says:
Bill- you say "life goes on for all of us". Your comment is so flippant and dismissive that it insults.

Marcial Maciel was a rapist. He was a pedophile. He raped his own biological children. He embezzeled millions of dollars. He fooled several Pope, Cardinals and Bishops. And those he couldn't fool, he bought.

And this cadre of loyalists, hand picked by Maciel himself, defended, protected, and enabled him to lead this life while cultivating a cult of personality around his false piety. They are guilty of cooperating with crimes and graves sins.

So- life does go on. In that you are correct. But we are not arguing over Rose v. Pink on Gaudete. We are demanding justice for the thousands of Legionaries being led astray by corrupt men who continue to lead a congregation founded by a monster. It's, to put it lightly, a big deal. -10 years an LC
6.23.2012 | 12:44am
Sasha says:
I was a consecrated woman in Regnum Christi for 8 years, and left just a month ago. I believe this article to be right on target. If it is in God's plan, the Legion and Regnum Christi may experience a rebirth like that of a Phoenix, a new life emerging from the ashes of the old, but I agree that it depends completely on new figures of authority that believe in radical renewal. I have seen that demanded by the consecrated men and women of Regnum Christi and believe it to be possible. Though only time will tell.
6.23.2012 | 1:44am
Maxim says:
It's natural for those who belong to an organization and have had life-transforming experiences in the context of that organization to wish not to utterly reject those things in which they have found value, nor is it even clear to me that they should; human sinfulness being what it is, someone may have done much good and still have fallen into sin. This of course places all the good of their ministry in jeopardy, but how many of the ministries of the past would have emerged unscathed if they existed under the degree of scrutiny our contemporary orders do? An unanswerable question, I know. Saints do exist, and God is glorified in them, but a person's work is not necessarily totally invalidated because they failed to be a saint; God judges the souls of all, the good and the bad that we do are put into the balance. It's not usually necessary to tear up the good because some bad seed has made its way into the field, it may even be a kind of judgment we are not qualified to make; would it be your contention that the Catholic church itself is invalidated because of the perfidious lives of many of the Popes? Whatever the truth of the present situation, let us not be swift to condemn those who are slow to speak evil of those who have done good to them.
6.23.2012 | 2:26am
Suz says:
This is my favorite magazine, and I'm glad that you're treating this subject fairly and charitably. I really can't see why there wasn't an complete overhaul in leadership at the very least. No one who was close to Maciel and who may have abetted his deceit should have any say in the order's future.
6.23.2012 | 9:52am
PSiena says:
Good Points: Is a founder's true witness incidental to the healthy discernment of a vocation to his order? Did the Holy See have a right to hide this from LCs in 2004? Did they have a right to assume all LCs into a reform process with no new discernment as to whether they were called to it? Did DePaolis have a right to trash Totus Tuus members for leaving the group, but only aplauds discernment when it commits members to stay? It all appears that this reform was not a reform at all, but a straightjacket device to keep men/women from leaving. Sadly the Holy See with little reflection aided and abetted an anti-charism, with no respect for its own theology and history of charism.


Thank you Fr. Berg for using this forum to give a good analysis of the current situation. However I do disagree with: "No Catholic observer of the unprecedented saga of the Legionaries—much less the Legionaries themselves—should be closed to the unlimited possibilities of the Holy Spirit. " A charism, which the LC's do not have (rather it is built around cult technique), is an extraordinary gift that may not be PRESUMED to come for a future date. Either it has been given or it has not been given. Sort of given is a ridiculous consideration after 70+ years. That task of the Holy See is to confirm or dissolve, not reform and wait and see with untold hard being done to existing members.

New wine cannot be poured into old wineskins. No group can legislate a charism into existence, nor does the Lord give it essential components in a deformed manner as has happenned here. The bottom line is dissolve it first, then see what the Holy Spirit will do.
6.23.2012 | 10:26am
I'm sympathetic to a lot of Fr Thomas' sentiments, but...

Would First Things consider running an article by a current Legionary priest as to why he has stayed in the order? After all, the vast majority have, and it's not exactly out of "blind loyalty to men who could have been gravely negligent in their dealings with Maciel": I think most of us would give very different reasons.

By the way, Fr Thomas, if you're ever interested in getting together with some of us from the Thornwood faculty again, give us a call! We're just up the road, and it would be great to connect again. Haven't talked to you in forever...
6.23.2012 | 11:36am
Dave says:
Suppressing the Legion is not a realistic option. While it would be easy to suppress it in the US or most of Europe, it is a huge operation in Mexico. The education apostolates alone could never be absorbed by the Mexican Church. These institutions, many of them solid, would have to be shut down.
So the Church, at least in Latin America, is stuck with the Legion.
As much old guard superiors may want to conserve things as they were, there is no turning back the clock. The Legion's deformities are public, morale is low, the defection rate among seminarians studying in Rome has been growing and few are joining. And it is not as if the Legion had no problems before the revelations about Fr Maciel; there was already widespread acknowledgement among American Legionaries that the Legion had chronic problems that needed addressing.
It may be that all these negative realities will force at least a partial reform. Time will tell.
6.23.2012 | 2:54pm
Bill says:
I don't think any of us know if Fr Berg has given a good analysis of the current situation. The Holy See is not looking into the founder anymore, that's done. The Holy Father has the results of the visitation, but I believe the visitation concentrated on the fundamental health of the order, and was not part of the investigation as to who knew what and when about MM. It is also unclear as to whether they will ever have the whole story, but certainly if any of them still alive in the order knew then they should come clean about it and maybe, because of the dire circumstances, stay out of public ministry. However, there are a high number of LC who are indeed doing tremendous good for the Church, and they will continue to do so as properly ordained priests.
6.23.2012 | 3:16pm
Caritas says:
Maxim, the analogy between the Legion scandals and the bad Popes does not work at all. The Founder of the Catholic Church is a Divine Person, entirely perfect and without sin. The fact that a few of the Popes and other Christian leaders have led gravely sinful lives is a scandal for some, but theologically it poses no problems. The remedy for their unfaithfulness is deeper fidelity to Christ Himself. Thus the Church is always reforming and always in need of reform.

But the founder of the Legion and Regnum Christi was a profoundly wicked man, a liar and serial abuser. The Pope has described him as "devoid of religious sensibility" who led a "wasted life."

If the Legion had had a holy founder and subsequent generations of leaders misbehaved, there would be a basis for reform -- which in Catholic religious life always means returning to the foundational charism. But the Legion has nothing good to return to. Everything unique about the Legion, down to the minutest detail, is the product of an unchristian mind who delighted only in manipulation of others.

And so like all the pomps and works of the Devil, the Legion and its "movement" are destined to die. May the day of its funeral be close at hand. Blessed be God!
6.23.2012 | 5:14pm
Jane says:
Hi Bill. If you don't mind my asking, could you please tell us, what is the "tremendous good for the Church" performed by the Legion? I see the LCs as a group of priests who fly around and minister primarily to a lay group comprised of well-to-do members. If freed from the Legion, i believe their priesthood could benefit the Universal Church in a far more signigicant way. Plus they would be free of the permanent stigma which will forevermore follow every LC.
6.23.2012 | 5:57pm
K says:
I am a current RC member who came in after the Fr. Maciel mess. I have gotten so much from the other RC members and Legion priests I have come in contact with. The monthly evenings of reflection, weekly encounters and spiritual direction has been such a huge help in my life. Because of LC and RC, I have been able to get closer to Christ. Are there issues in the Legion that need to be dealt with? YES. However, there are also issues in various US diocese such as Philadelphia, Boston, Cleveland to name a few. The Legion preists I see on a regular basis are so enthusiastic. PLEASE give this enthusiasm to the diocesan priests!
6.23.2012 | 9:04pm
I was a Legion Novice here in Europe in the 1990s. I tell you the Legion was very perverted then and strange things happened. I remember one big important priest - coming from Rome to give us 'spiritual direction' - he listened individually to all us Novices. Shortly afterwards I was forced out - now I understand why. The so-called 'spiritual direction' was a screening process. I came acroos as too questioning - I was obviously marked as a future 'problem'. That big priest is now in one of the Legion's chillier places.
6.24.2012 | 12:11am
Arthur says:
Fr Shane, it's great to see you around! You might not remember me but you were my Ethics professors in Thornwood, about two years ago. I was wondering if you could number the points in Fr Thomas' article you agree with. To tell you the truth, I ended up leaving because of the many reasons Fr Thomas mentions in this article. I must say that I met pretty open minded people before I left the Legion, but most of them have left in the last two years. I do have the same perception Fr Thomas has, most of those staying are willing to show extreme loyalty towards the superiors Maciel chose from many years ago. It's hard to argue that many of those aren't around, and Legionaries tend to be very loyal to them.
6.24.2012 | 4:43am
Tristan says:
Fr. thank you for your article. I just want us to ponder something while we kick around this can. Since Judas was one of the twelve hand picked by the Lord I'm sure he may have attracted some followers to Christ as well. But after his betrayal, what would those followers do? Should they criticize Jesus or the other eleven? Should they lose faith? Please let the Holy Spirit do His work and please stay close to the Church and Christ in your daily lives. I must say that was the one great gift the Legion and Regnum Christi gave me although I am no longer a an active member of the movement. Just my two cents. Peace - TKC!
6.24.2012 | 7:45am
patience says:
My comment was not posted despite it being very respectful, though I seemed to be the one person in disagreement with Fr. Berg. It's unfortunate that only those comments that applaud this article were permitted, since mine was respectful but in disagreement. I merely questioned the helpfulness of this article. Our fast-paced world demands fast-paced reform. But as any business or organization leader realizes, change takes time. From what I have heard, the cardinal himself has calculated this pace. He has asked the LCs to examine this over a length of time - 3 years at first, 1 year for each issue the pope named - and then eventually a general chapter will be called, etc. From outside, we can demand immediate change, but it is PEOPLE we're demanding to change, and if we want to throw the first stone, then we should look at our own lives and see how quickly we change our own mentalities and habits. From a practical perspective, this takes time.
Also, if the author is serious about his doubt of the leadership, then he should speak with the cardinal. I'm sure he's all ears.
6.24.2012 | 11:07am
Fr. Thomas,

As one who recently celebrated the 20th anniversary of membership in the Legion of Christ, I appreciate your concern for those of us who have remained in the Congregation. As for all the priests who have recently left the Legion, I sincerely respect your decision and know that is was not made lightly. You deserve and have my prayers and continued esteem. At the same time, it is only fair to expect from you the same respect and support for those of us – the vast majority of priests – who have discerned to remain in the Legion and are at peace with God about our decisions. We have made our decisions freely, conscientiously and without checking our "human reason or critical thinking" at the door. The Spirit blows where it wills - people of good will can come to different conclusions in their discernment process and need not follow the “one size fits all” discernment method that you propose.

I think it is fair to say that the vast majority of Legionaries share your frustration with the length of the current reform process. At the same time, I think it is also fair to say, paradoxically, that we are coming to realize that it is necessary. I think you would probably agree that one of our biggest challenges is to overcome the top-down, centralized, practically autocratic governance system employed by Fr. Maciel. It would seem that the current process - taking the time to get the real input of everyone regarding the necessary reforms and the new constitutions – is aimed at doing that. Such a process necessarily takes time. Much more than “discussion groups,” these meetings have been open, frank and cathartic encounters which have already helped bring about significant changes within our culture. I am confident that continued patience, good will and guidance from the authority of the Church will bring about many more.

The Holy Father has made it clear that he sees much good in the Legion and wants it to continue. His Delegate has made similar comments on several occasions. It is thus inaccurate and unfair to assert or imply otherwise. In the final analysis, it is the authority of the Church that will confirm the Legion’s role for the future. Every Legionary that I know will readily accept the decisions that are made. It is my hope and prayer that you will also.
6.24.2012 | 12:53pm
Fr. Sikorsky - would you mind posting links to the places that the Holy Father made it clear he wanted to see the Legion continue? I seem to have missed those articles-- perhaps my reading is too one-sided.
6.24.2012 | 12:57pm
PSiena says:
I think what Frs. Shane and Charles miss is that for those who cherish the real meaning of a charism of a founder, the total repugnance that is felt by them and the ordinary catholic who is forced to accept their proposition: that such a high and privileged gift was given through such an atmosphere of perversion and disorder that only now Fr. Charles says some are coming to grips with. Only now? Is this a charism in any form when the truth's acceptance is so long in coming and those that do accept the full truth see no choice but to leave?

How does this group's history edify the Catholic faithful in and through their overall witness in foundation? The example of Judas as a pretty remote analogy may be a case in point- what followers he may have had, had to see his role refounded in a new apostolic witness founded in Mathias. That is the equivalent of a dissolution and new foundation emerging from the situation where appropriate. But of course the analogy is weak because our Lord was the founder of the Church.

To find what the Holy Spirit wants will mean, more than waiting for the closed and enigmatic culture of the Legionaries to tell us, but over time to see that the body of the faithful are listening too and eventually the Holy Father will gather in the sense of the whole Church regarding the real LC- meanwhile discernment outside the box is the only hope.

For now we are left with a charism that DePaolis cannot define, and we are left with a charism for which DePaolis is still seeking out a founder as if to rewrite history- something he considers very necessary- yet no one can seem to point to who that might be.

Let's keep in mind the LC can always be reformed in a group of other very simple associations to carry out certain parts of their work in the institutions in which they serve, but the Church cannot make the type of charism that the LC once pretended to be, come into being in a process. That is a sin of presumption. A charism as I said above was given or not given, and to say it is in need of reform from day one is an oxymoron, a slap in the face of the Holy Spirit that he could not figure out what sort of man MM was and the ill effects this supposed way of holiness would bring about.

I challenge also the idea of 'discernment'-- when did the Delegate ever release all the members from their vows so they could discern with total freedom of conscience their call to participate in the reform? Rather those who left were categorized by him as afflicted in some way, and of dark spirits who always cast a shadow on his efforts. When truth meets a lie for the first time a shadow is always cast-- time will tell from which direction it was coming. But please do not speak of free discernment when we see 3GF considering other communities locked out of their centers for fear of what 'infection' they may cause.
6.24.2012 | 1:14pm
Daniel Kane says:
It was not an easy essay to read, nor is it an easy one to write. But this piece needed to be written and needed to be read. It is astonishing that after the formation the LoC priests and brothers receive, that at this junction in time, issues like the sad circumstance of Fr. Williams just not come to light for proper adjudication. The LoC needs to close - this I say after a long and personally fruitful tenure in RC. and I say so with great heartbreak.

While there might have been an unprecedented speck of a chance following the debacle that was the era of Maciel - a man ""devoid of scruples and authentic religious sentiment" and a plagiarist. To a certain extent, one might excuse the "Nuestro Padre" group think of that same time - and one might not.

Today one clearly sees the fruit of Maciel's dreadful foundation in the current regime. Clearly the LEADERSHIP and the Roman SEMINARY faculty lacked the vision, will and scruples to out Fr. Williams SEVEN YEARS AGO and kept him on TV, writing books and on book tours.

On can ignore the authentic and consistent analysis of Fr. Thomas, even though from the start it has been irrefutable and crystal clear. The faculty of Regina Apostolorum and the leadership of the Legion demonstrated over years in the midst of the sex scandal and the Maciel scandal - that they lack the moral practicality observed in most cab drivers.

The foundation of this tall and sometimes beautiful building is non-existent. It is doomed to collapse and the will to examine, much less repair it is not there. I say this with a sad heart. Maciel's sin has touched hundreds of thousands and that too, is largely overlooked and not spoken of.

For starters, the LoC could, without getting papal approval, make every LoC holiday - the date of the founding, the date of MM's ordination and birth, the date of his death, etc. - a day of perpetual adoration and fast for the in reparation sins of their order under MM and under his immediate successors. Or they could dedicate the entire month of June as a "mini-Lent" to that same end.

Nothing is being done and Fr. Williams is exhibit A.
6.24.2012 | 1:48pm
Marie says:
"The Holy Father has made it clear that he sees much good in the Legion and wants it to continue. His Delegate has made similar comments on several occasions. It is thus inaccurate and unfair to assert or imply otherwise. In the final analysis, it is the authority of the Church that will confirm the Legion’s role for the future. Every Legionary that I know will readily accept the decisions that are made. It is my hope and prayer that you will also. "

Disagreeing with the opinion of a Pope is not necessarily either unfair or inaccurate. Moreover, we are not required to accept decisions made by the Vatican as being for the best. When Bl. John Paul II called Maciel an "efficacious guide to youth", the very same arguments were used to paint the criminal Maciel's accusers as men who were not only inaccruate and unfair but even "enemies of the Church" and "workers of the devil" for having dared to contradict a Pope and declare Maciel what he really was: a liar, a fraud, a hypocrite, and a cruel and deviant abuser of children.

I know you did not intend this, but your very words confirm for many of us just how deeply the malformation goes. No doubt you mean well, but your ideas about authority and what constitutes "inaccuracy" and "unfairness" go right to the root of the problem. This is part of the genius of Maciel, pure and simple. Get a set of followers to believe they must assent to every single opinion of the Pope and then accuse other Catholics of being unfair and imply they are somehow disobedient and lesser Catholics for daring to speak the truth as they see it.

Fr. Thomas Hennigan points out the so-called "reformers" have included the twisted "private vows" in the draft of the revised constitutions. This really does tell us everything we know about the nature of the reform. It is still about abuse of power, abuse of authority, and abuse of conscience.

Most of out here in the pews, bamboozled and dazzled by it all as some of us once were, no longer buy it. The Emperor is naked, all but the most brainwashed see that clearly, and reverting to the old tactics of trying to discredit or imply somebody who disagrees with the opinion of a Pope or other hierarchy member is somehow a lesser Catholic only reflects poorly upon the person making the insinuation.

You can thank JPII's "efficacious guide to youth" and enthusiastic support for your founder for opening so many of our eyes to the truth that a Pope can be wrong--deadly wrong--in his opinions. The Catholic world has lived and learned, but apparently the Legion is still singing the same old broken record it always has. Thank God most have the good sense to turn a deaf ear to Macielism now that the Legion has been shown to be what it actually is---a system of abuse and twistedness founded by a cruel and twisted criminal of the highest order.
6.24.2012 | 4:43pm
MPI says:
Fr. Sikorsky,

I can understand that reading Fr. Berg's article can be difficult for those who have remained within the Legion, yet your comments here reflect exactly one of the problems Fr. Berg brings up; namely, the lack of critical argument one encounters when discussing the Maciel and other issues with members of LC/RC. I recognize that you reject this characterization, but you haven't addressed in any real way the arguments Fr. Berg presents, other than to argue that change takes time. I would rather see you mount a defense, for instance, of leaving in place many of the current leaders of the LC who covered up parts of the various scandals over the years.
6.24.2012 | 7:48pm
Bill says:
Jane, the LC minister to all kinds of people. Like many priests they spend much time helping marriages, the youth, and administering of the sacraments which often involves evangelization and teaching. Those of us who volunteer or work in parishes and work with the poor or the CCD children and parents, etc., are appreciative of the LC for guidance as we encounter "difficult people" circumstances, but it also applies to helping us to bring peace and charity to others in whatever our circumstance. I know some of them who are up praying and ministering, hearing confessions, etc., from 5 am to midnight on some days. The type of things they do depend upon their assignments, and I cannot adequately describe all of it. Also, thank you, Fr Sikorsky, for asking for greater respect from Fr Berg.
6.24.2012 | 10:25pm
A.M. says:
What comes to mind are two other strong religious bodies , also founded by persons of troubled characters - Islam and Mormonism , even Protestant faiths .

Would doing what might be the very difficult task of separating the chaff from the wheat in the Legion help , in some mysterious manner , these other bodies also to be set in better direction !

Could this be the reason why this weed has been allowed to exist , even if unknowingly by the higher ups ...while still allowing for the 'impossible'
( meaning possible only for God ) task of somehow being able to become wheat ...
" Bring them all to My mercy .." - such is the exhortation of our times ..
6.25.2012 | 8:50am
Diaspora says:
I don't think it's a question of Church authority that blesses the reform but of a reform that goes very slow at best. But I'm glad there are legionaries who take reform seriously and if they are happy with it -i.e. if their conscience is at peace- no problem. But time will tell who made the right choices and who didn't. Peace.
6.25.2012 | 11:35am
Cbalducc says:
Could it be that the large sums of money Maciel brought into the Catholic Church has caused so much corruption that the cure (suppresion of the LC/RC) is worse than the disease, in that it would expose so much venality as to threaten the existence of the Church as we know it? Read 1 Timothy 6:10.
God help us!
6.25.2012 | 12:02pm
Caitlin says:
I echo Deirdre Mundy, and also ask Fr. Sikorsky to clarify where & when the Holy Father has "made it clear that he sees much good in the Legion he wants it to continue." Links?

Also, there's a lot of talk about the Legionaries reforming or clarifying their charism. Can someone tell me what their old one was? And was it a multi-faceted one, or just one single idea? I really can't get any clear idea about it, even after substantial googling. Thank you.
6.25.2012 | 2:37pm
Sandy says:
It shows wonderful progress to have a dialog with some LCs on these issues, so thank you for having the courage to share your views. I hope you will continue to face honest questions. PLease keep in mind it is in fact our care for everyone affected by the Legion's scandals and the ongoing harm to Mother Church that drive our focus on these issues.

In addition to questions already posed by other visitors here, I'd like to ask Fr Shane or Fr Charles, or any other LCs, do you feel satisifed with the Legion's response to Maciel's victims? Has the Legion done anything yet?

Another question, with respect to the Legion apology to victims. Were you satisfied with that apology? The following line remains with me as deeply disappointing - " Therefore, though it causes us consternation, we have to say that these acts did take place." If I found myself finally delivering a much overdue apology, it would cause me anything but consternation. I would in fact feel relief at the opportuity to express regret and offer my most expedient remedy possible for anyone I had harmed.

Finally, in your own priestly work, when you offer spiritual direction, and your spritual directee needs to apologize and make amends, do suggest they ease into the idea by saying "make it right, and take all the time you need" or "these things take time", or do you direct them to try to remedy the hurt or injustice, or restore the broken relationships right away? I aways believed sincere repentance should be followed by sincere and immediate action.

Thank you and God bless you for courageously responding.
6.25.2012 | 5:18pm
JBE says:
Fr. Charles - I do not think your article here shows "respect and support" for those who left LC and RC.

http://live.regnumchristi.org/2011/02/legion-of-christ-the-best-is-yet-to-come/

As someone who left RC after almost 10 years, your article was very painful to read last year since you assumed and judged those who left as "quitting" and "heading for the exits" and those who stayed as the strong ones winning the game. Those of us who left including your brother priests did not quit or head for the exits when the chips were down. We followed our conscience and demanded reparation and restitution to the true victims of this scandal. It was one of the hardest times of my life and I have watched the pain and loss of faith of many dear friends. Your article is one of many articles by other LCs who treated all of us like we practically jumped ship and left the Church when we left LC/RC which is a trait of Macielism.

"After three overtimes, Calvert Hall prevailed by 3 points. By not quitting and believing it could be done, we pulled out a very satisfying win. But the best was yet to come for the Calvert Hall Cardinals. Inspired by the dramatic victory and with a nucleus of six returning players, they went 34-0 the next season and were rated as the nation’s number 1 high school team.

I was a member of those Calvert Hall teams and I am currently a member of the Legionaries of Christ. I see some parallels between that game of my youth and the current situation of the Legion. From the outside, things might seem hopeless or at least very discouraging. There are those who have headed for the exits. But from the inside, I am able to see things from a different perspective. True, there are serious obstacles in front of us, but as I believed my team could come back 29 years ago, I am even more confident that the best is yet to come for the Legion of Christ."

The irony is that many of us who left have been hoping and praying for a "comeback" that you would fully reform in truth because we did see and experience good. We just don't see true reform the way the Pope has asked and continue to see Macielism even in your current statement. That is why we speak out.
6.25.2012 | 11:46pm
Diedre, thanks for your patience. Here you go:

The last paragraph of the May, 2010 Communique says:

“7. Finally the Pope renews to all the Legionaries of Christ, to their families and to the lay associates of the movement Regnum Christi, his encouragement at this difficult time for the Congregation and for each one of them. He urges them not to lose sight of their vocation: this has its origin in Christ’s call and its inspiration in the ideal of bearing witness before the world to his love, and it is an authentic gift from God, an enrichment for the Church, and the indestructible basis on which to build their personal future and that of the Legion.”


Then there is pp. 38-39, of the 2010 book "Light of the World:

“Meanwhile we have had an Apostolic Visitation carried out and appointed a delegate who together with a group of collaborators is preparing the necessary reforms. Naturally corrections must be made, but by and large the congregation is sound. In it there are many young men who enthusiastically want to serve the faith. This enthusiasm must not be destroyed. Many of them have been called by a false figure to what is, in the end, right after all. That is the remarkable thing, the paradox, that a false prophet, so to speak, could still have a positive effect. New courage must be given to these numerous young men. A new structure is needed so that they do not fall between the cracks but are guided correctly so as to be able to continue performing a service to the Church and to mankind.”
6.26.2012 | 8:43am
I was a Legionary religious for more than several years and a not so humble disciple of Fr. Berg. I certainly did not join because of Maciel and I must admit I never enjoyed all that much reading his writings. In fact, a friend warned me about him before I joined in the late 80's but said that the congregation was alright. The reason I joined was the depth of the formation I saw and which I then received, especially the intellectual formation, which even today I cannot find any seminary or religious order that I have visited. I am stilling living off the fumes of that formation for the conferences and homilies that I preach and for almost any intellectual work that I do. Where in the Church are seminarians given a classical formation in Latin, Greek, art, history, rhetoric...? The real Jesuit institutions are all gone. How do you salvage this pedagogy for the whole Church if there is no one to pass it along. I did not have a religious vocation and I am grateful to the Legion for all that I have received. I only had very good experiences in the Legion and I also see that some reform is in order. The best thing we can do is pray and sacrifice ourselves so that God's will be done, in the end it is his hands. Human eyes are not enough to see all that is behind this, there are always to forces at play.
6.26.2012 | 12:27pm
Bill says:
I wonder if eventually an Ordinariat would be possible, which is like a diocese set up by the Holy Father, like he did with the disaffected Anglicans? I understand that the sins of the founder cannot be conferred on the order, and I do not believe that disbanding is an option, and I understand why the current plan needs to run it's course for the LC…because we can't run away from it. Maybe an Ordinariat for them would more clearly distinguish the order from the founder to the Catholic faithful after the reforms take root?
6.26.2012 | 12:56pm
PSiena says:
Fr. Charles: Have you not noticed the tortured ambiguity in both the statements you cite? The LC is "sound" yet needs a new structure-- can these two exist really in the same subject?. And in the May Communique it adds with a whole series of problems that must be dealt with, the critical need to define charism--not at all incidental to an order's health. Nowhere has the Holy See even attempted to handle the issue of sources of spirituality and witness for the foundation period which gives an order its identity. This lack of a healthy patrimony remains a complete void which any religious will tell you is the core of an institute's own witness and place in the Church.

Fr. Gonzalez: Merely following the intellectual scheme of another religious order (Jesuits) does not a congregation make. Holding men in a lifestyle that does the Church and themselves harm for the sake of such specific and noble goods explains the precise mentality that permits this disaster tp languish without resolution. It's use, not love.
6.26.2012 | 1:13pm
Dear Diedre and Fr Charles,

Pope Benedict also addressed a group of Legionaries at a recent Wednesday audience (June 13, 2012):

http://www.eluniversal.com.mx/notas/853224.html

"Saludo a los Legionarios de Cristo que se aprestan a transcurrir un periodo de experiencia pastoral y animo a cada uno a vivir esta etapa del camino formativo como momento de gracia y de generosa disponibilidad" , dijo en italiano.

And as a brief response to a point brought up by Fr. Berg in his article: I know Brothers who have spiritual direction with non-Legionary priests, and I think it's nearly impossible to finish a serious formation process as long as ours without seriously questioning our motives, at this point. We might not have all the information we would like, but we have enough to seriously test the purity of our intention.

Br Daniel
6.26.2012 | 4:55pm
Don says:
Br. Daniel, what conclusion do you draw from Pope Benedict's brief greeting to the Legionaries present at the Wednesday audience?
6.26.2012 | 6:24pm
@ Arthur:

I didn't have anybody named "Arthur" in my ethics class, but I think I know who you are. :-) We're Facebook friends, aren't we?

@ Sandy:

I need to give you the same answer I would give Arthur: Your questions are valuable enough that I can't do justice to them in this little space. Maybe with a full article or a personal conversation. I try to answer all the questions I get at facebook.com/frshane and on my blog, so feel free to reach out that way if you like. (The same goes for anybody else who would like to.)

And for all of us I just pray for an outpouring of the Holy Spirit, so that those tasked with discerning whether this work is from God (they wear funny hats and live in Rome) may be granted light and clarity, and the rest of us may be granted the grace of accepting it with faith. I think it's what we all most need. "Thy Kingdom come, thy will be done on earth as it is in heaven." May God bless us all!!!
6.27.2012 | 12:29am
Gwen says:
I hear a lot of impatience with the Pope and the delegate that he assigned. Why not allow the Church to decide how to best reform the Legion? Why not wait patiently for the guidance of the Church? I'm sure the Holy Father and the Cardinal know much more about the problems and what is good for the church than we do. They want to do the reform right, not just a rush job. Give them the time and space to do what needs to be done. Trust that the Holy Spirit is guiding the Pope to make the right an necessary changes at the right time.

For myself I have seen something in the Regnum Christi movement that I do not see anywhere else in the church. I see a positive spirit and a desire to help others that I can not find in any other organization. So to say that the church does not need the Legion or Regnum Christi is sad because no one else is doing the kind of work they are.
6.27.2012 | 10:35am
Tim says:
I was a member of Regnum Christi for several years and in that time I saw a beautiful charism within RC and the LC. We can doubt/reject Fr. Maciel and his leadership but the charism of LC & RC is NOT his but rather the gift of the Holy Spirit. Doubting that charism man not rise to the level of the sin of blasphemy of the Holy Spirit but failing to recognize the gifts of God is like Saul at the stoning of St. Stephen.

I call attention to those wonderful gifts the Church has received by way of the good and faithful men and women of RC & LC. The building of schools and strengthening of families and marriages and support of the Holy Father and encouragement of chaste and faithfilled lives dedicated to reflection upon the gospels and unity with and for the Church ARE gifts of the Holy Spirit!!! Remember that Christ's dual nature is human and divine. We are only human. The divine within the Church is the gift of the Holy Spirit. We get to choose whether we cooperate with the gift or reject it.

Among many other things, RC and the Legion taught me to "be charitable in all things", "to think good, see good, and do good." (How I wish I were more true to that teaching!) Those teachings are just part of the charism that leads the good men of LC to continue to seek to do God's will where they are and bring about the good God intends regardless the failings of the "founder". The real founder of ALL movements is the Holy Spirit! Let's not be so quick to condemn but in all things seek God's will and pray for the guidance of the Holy Spirit!
6.27.2012 | 10:59am
Elizabeth says:
First, Fr Alvaro needs to resign. He is not strong enough or tough enough to lead he order, given that he allowed Williams to be so prominent after having full knowledge of the situation.
Second, what exactly is meant by the "structure" of an order? It seems to me that this can relate to the health of an order, but the health is already there as witnessed by the Visitators. I believe what the Holy father meant is that the order needed a new structure so that they can fulfull and expand their mission both as individuals and as an order. Can someone expound?
Bill, interesting thought.
6.28.2012 | 10:52pm
Caritas says:
The Holy Father has never affirmed the Legion and Regnum Christi as institutions. He has chosen (so far) not to suppress them. That tolerance does not require the Faithful to hold that the Legion is good or that it has any sort of charism.

And we will not be lectured on the need to faithfully accept whatever Rome decides from an organization which in May 2006 compared the Holy Father to Pontius Pilate and Marcial Maciel to Our Lord. Which continued to organize obscene "pilgrimages" to Cotija, the Mexican birthplace of "Nuestro Padre" for 3 years after Pope Benedict silenced and exiled him. All while Fr. Alvaro and Fr Luis Garza knew -- as they now admit -- of Maciel's wicked double life. And without doubt dozens of senior Legionaries shared that knowledge.

Fr Alvaro practically canonized Maciel in 2008 when writing to the "co-founders" upon his death, despite knowing the secret truth about him. Now he tells us he knew for at least 7 years about Fr Thomas Williams. Why didn't he and the rest of the LC hierarchy stop promoting Fr Williams as a great celebrity priest?

These people are frauds. Blind guides, and whitened sepulchers. Free yourselves from their control.
6.28.2012 | 11:06pm
Arthur says:
Fr Shane, Nope we aren't friends in Facebook. I always tried to stay behind the singers,estudiantina marvels, fundraisers, vocation people. I wouldn't be surprise if many LC's couldn't remember me at all (which happen when I greated a LC I spent three years with). Many superiors of the territory didn't know my name even after six years spent in the NY territory. I just tried to remain in a humble place.

Br Daniel,

Benedict's quote basically says the Pope says hi to the Legionaries. And about Spirtual Direction, during the few months I spent in Mexico (my last "destino") we received a letter specifying the Spiritual Directors for the territory. Most of them were recently removed superiors, like Fr Jorge Cortes. Never did I hear of anyone having a Spiritual Director who wasn't an LC. I was even reprimanded for consulting a former LC. So, maybe LC's having not-LC directors might be a very rare exception, rather than a rule.
6.30.2012 | 12:50pm
Hey "Arthur"... and we both know your name isn't Arthur...

Of course I remember you! Sorry about the FB thing. I honestly thought we were friends but hadn't checked. (I'm friends there with dozens of ex-Legionaries that I've met over the years.) Anyway, feel free to reach out there if that's what you're interested in.

By the way, you might be happy to hear that a Franciscan priest comes weekly to the Rome seminary now for confessions and spiritual direction... Things are changing!

Hey "Caritas"... It's okay if you think I'm a fraud, but would you mind praying for me (by name, preferably) to be holier? Honestly. I would really appreciate it, and it's probably the best way to heal this situation. Prayer for one's "enemies" is one of the most powerful forms of prayer. God bless you!
6.30.2012 | 1:42pm
Bill says:
Caritas, can you name any Catholic institutions that the Holy Father has "affirmed"?
6.30.2012 | 7:44pm
Jorge says:
About the dubious approvals of the Legion, which may be true, I guess one could also say this of the Jewish people since Jacob and Rebecca also used dubious means so that the younger son could get Isaac's blessing... In spite of this lie (Jacob is asked who he is and responds "Esau"), God's blessing was outpoured on him and his descendants, and so the promise made to Abraham would continue in his offspring and not in Esau's... Now saying that would be very unfair, since Jacob's descendants have received the Lord's blessing and have been a blessing for the world...

Couldn't God's Providence take advantage of errors in judgement of people in the Church to the advantage of his own design? Couldn't the Legion part of this mysterious plan?

Reform is clearly in order, but it is necessarily slow if it is to change the structure of the Legion and its culture. There are signs of this taking place: the possibility of spiritual direction and confession with non-legionary priests is there, specially in centers of formation where the religious would have more difficult access to other priests (making it mandatory to have a non-LC spiritual director just shows, with all due respect, that it is possible that you are still struggling with the one-size-fits-all mentality that is slowly disappearing from the Legion), there is greater dialogue and feedback to superiors on their actions, there is greater accountability... I am sure more LC's will leave the Order as part of their discernment. But I know quite a few who are committed to carry out the renewal process required by the Holy See and who are aware that this will take tame. Now, taking time does not mean it is stalled.

As a former student in a Legionary school in Mexico, I can assure that this order has had (and still has) a positive impact in Catholic culture and makes the Church present in the public square according to the great limitations set by the Mexican Constitution. I am not so sure that suppression would be the best response for the Church and society, at least in my country. Maybe your perception is too centered in your own American experience, which may be valid, but also limited.
6.30.2012 | 8:35pm
Elaine says:
Elizabeth and Bill, a group of them in North America may be better off refounding under a US Bishop, and leave the Mexican problem to itself.

There are numerous saints in the works and to come in the order, and they have brought us many vocations in the United States across a wide spectrum, so don't be so quick to judge, folks.

We have greater battles ahead saving a great deal of our own US Cathoic Institutions in the aftermath of the Supreme Court decision on healthcare.
7.2.2012 | 2:05pm
Edward says:
Members of the order are already able to seek spiritual direction outside the order, not only by canon law, but also by the fact that their prior practice of forbidding this has been suspended for a few years now. This was likely at their request acter the visitation. Spiritual direction may not be readily available in many places, but if they can find good Jesuits around who know and adhere to the teachings of the church, and know what a sin is (some of them don't) then they could be asked to assist at the schools, etc. when they have time or maybe be brought on staff. This should not be to replace what is already going on, but to assist.
7.4.2012 | 10:57pm
Elaine says:
Where there other instances of disobedience by Fr Williams, and were any of them noticed? Hate to say, but he is not the first Catholic priest to sin in this way. Should he not have been placed in a period of discernment immediately after his fatherhood was discovered, and were there any other questions asked of him or anyone else when the rumor came to light? Perhaps Fr Alvaro and the other superiors between him and Fr Williams should be more clear and exact about what happened and whether it was mismanagement…or whether policies need to be put in place within the order for these circumstances. If you have a disobedient priest, he is going to do what he wants more than once. It is a stretch to say the order should be disbanded over this, although it is embarrassing for them after all they have been through, and after all the scandal it has caused.
7.5.2012 | 12:24pm
Sandy says:
Fr Shane, if you don't wish to tackle my earlier questions here, I hope you will take them up on your blog. I am reluctant to reach out on Facebook, because I feel some fear of repercussions if I reveal my name. The questions are here if they are valuable enough to answer, as you say. Thank you.

Elaine, we'll just have to take your word for it that there are saints in the making in the Legion. I see saintly diocesan priests all the time, doing phenomenal works for far larger numbers of people, with far fewer funds to work with. Of course Regnum Christi members are going to see and feel wonderful things that they may not see in their parish, because they have LCs dedicated to serve RC members, their schools and families. I am therefore not all that impressed by the success in vocations if they do not, ultimately, benefit the Universal Church but rather an exclusive group of primarily well-to-do orthodox Catholics. This is just one of many reasons I could not carry on in RC, it did not feel right to have so much priestly attention lavished on our small exclusive group when the world has such a need for their attention. Peace.
7.5.2012 | 2:12pm
Ted Seeber says:
May I suggest for the "How could this ever have happened in the first place", you take a strong look at the confluence of the following:
-Myers Briggs TF style personalities
-Post Traumatic Stress Disorder
-Multiple Personality Syndrome
-Basic Sociopathy

I believe Marciel built himself a cult out of the Legion- and was motivated to do so by his experiences as a young child during the Christeros Rebellion.
7.6.2012 | 2:30pm
Elizabeth says:
Sandy, I know diocesan priests, and many sisters who have been born of the Legion of Christ and their work. They benefit the entire church, and suggesting otherwise is absolutely incorrect. Oh yes, and Fr. Berg's own institution was born of the Legion, and they gave it to him when he decided to incardinate into the archdiocese of New York.

Perhaps some would consider writing Fr Berg's bishop to express displeasure at the irresponsibility of this article. Fretting on the sins of other people is distracting to our spiritual lives.

The superiors do not need to go anywhere. They just need God's grace and time and the Holy Spirit. It is only in rare cases when a priest needs to be removed from public ministry. Many, many dioceses have had similar problems, and in fact many Bishops have had problems with learning to lead. Remember, they lived with a vow of charity as well until the last ten years. It is a gentle process.

Keeping the Church pure is a constant process of renewal to which we should all be committed. It is through the mercy of God and His miraculous works that the Catholic Church as a whole exists at all. Pray for our Holy priests of God and all of our religious and the Catholic faithful so that we can build the Church as opposed to tearing it down.
7.6.2012 | 6:01pm
Sandy, I'm really sorry about all the hurt you still feel. May Our Lord grant you peace and resolution... you deserve it. Don't feel like you need to reach out by name, but please don't fear it either: I'm a Catholic priest, and I deal with confidential cases of conscience every day like every other priest. The only reason I got ordained was to be at God's service to try to bring Christ's healing to troubled souls.

Up to now, the blog I run is devoted to youth ministry on Tumblr, so I haven't even thought about bringing up these issues there. The problems kids face are very different from the ones we're discussing. But, as you ask, I'll consider talking through all this there. In any event, I'll be almost entirely offline for the next 5 weeks because of a whole parade of summer activities, including an 8-day silent retreat for me! Please pray for me and the other priests who will be on Exercises!

By the way, I'm only able to speak for myself, but most of the ministry I've done (outside of teaching our young religious) has been in Hispanic ministry for the Archdiocese of New York, often in the roughest parts of the Bronx. We've even taken on a mostly Spanish-speaking parish on the wrong side of the tracks in Yonkers (St. Peter's) as of last weekend. That might not fit everybody's expectations of "what Legionaries do," but some expectations out there about us really surprise me. :-)

May God bless you abundantly!
7.7.2012 | 8:58pm
Bill says:
Yes, Elizabeth, Fr Alvaro is a very kind man. We should pray for him as he learns to be more effective with disciplinary issues. I admit that communication from them has gotten better.
Pray!
7.8.2012 | 11:37pm
Former LC says:
To the few LC's who are allowed to read and post her...

I'm just confused about something. It's proven that several LC major superiors knew of Maciel's duplicitious lifestyle. It's known that former LC's who asked too many questions about the money were removed from their apostolate, their community or the LC all together. It's known that the beloved Fr. Alvaro Corcuera, renowned for his charity and humility, was 100% aware that Thomas Williams fathered a child and this information was kept from Cardinal DePaolis and the apostilic visitors, while Thomas Williams was encouraged to preach, publish and appear on The Today Show with Katie Couric. It's known that the US Territorial Director Fr. Luis Garza visited Maciel on his deathbed and threatend to expose him. It's know that Fr. Evaristo Sada, the graet Secretary General, celebrated a funeral mass for Maciel with his wife and children.

So- to get to my question... how do you take orders from these guys? How are they "God's Will" in your life? How can you listen to men who are complicit in the rape of children, the theft of money, the perversion of truth, the corrupters of lives? Have you ever talked to any of the LC's Maciel abused? Have you talked to former Road Team fundraisers who were treated like slaves so Maciel could buy his whores apartments?

Those men who lead the Legion should be in jail. Not in Roman Collars. And the fact that anyone could take an order from them as "superiors" shows just how corrupted and manipulated the LC's really are.

And that's the real tragedy of Maciel. Though he is dead, his evil lives on.

-9 years of lies
7.9.2012 | 9:56am
Sandy says:
Fr Shane - I thank God Fr Thomas Berg has broken his silence on First Things with this article, and you should too. There has not been enough discussion between rank and file LCs and critics of the Legion.

It was you who suggested I reach out and ask my earlier questions, which you called "valuable", via your Facebook page, and at the time, I suspected you were sidestepping my questions – about superiors, the insincere apology to victims, deception and so on. I didn’t actually expect you to address my questions, and now you tell me you don’t really use that forum for this type of discussion. No surprises. From what I have heard, and as ‘9 years of lies’ mentions above, LCs do not have the freedom to speak out (or cry out) openly, and I’m sure it’s no different for you.

Maybe you don’t intend it, but when you say to me “I’m really sorry about the hurt you still feel”, it’s a passive-aggressive twist, placing the focus on my reaction – “I’m sorry you can't get over it!” - not on the harmful actions of your superiors, founder, and some of your members.

‘9 year of lies’ asked a question, and I wish you were free to answer it honestly – how do you take orders from these guys?
7.9.2012 | 1:01pm
Cbalducc says:
Jesus said that every tree is judged by its fruit. If the tree of Maciel was venal and dissolute, how can the fruit (the vocations or works) be any good?
7.9.2012 | 8:06pm
Edward says:
Sandy, and Chalduce, you keep going back to the same question. The logic you are using is the same thing that can be applied to the entire Catholic Church. You both believe that the Catholic Church needs to be done away with because of the sins of its people, its Bishops, and of the members of the Holy See, and at times in history, the Pope. Where do you stop with this? My assumption is that you do not stop, and will never stop.

Fr Alvaro already runs an order that is larger than most dioceses and is international. The fact that he trusted Fr Williams, when the man actually lied to him, is something he will be substantially more prudent about in the future... lesson learned. The fact that he has the delegate to assist with issues of structural change and improvement is a true blessing from the Holy See and Fr Alvaro does not need to resign.

Fr Berg is incorrect in the assumption that the order cannot be reformed. In fact, since he is "born" of the order then we should, taking your position, not be listening to him because he is unable to be "reformed" as well... he is permanently tainted in his thoughts and logic, a passive man unable to use his intellect and will.

The Capuchin order had three founders, the first two being heretics and quite franky, we don't know enough about their personal lives to know if they sinned in other ways. Yet the order has survived. The Dominicans, Fransiscans, Jesuits, and most other orders and dioceses have had extremely serious scandals and reform and policy improvements have been called for there as well.

Sandy, Fr Shane did not sin against you and he is not twisting your mind.
7.10.2012 | 12:29am
Theresa says:
Dear Former LC - "Thomas Williams was encouraged to preach, publish and appear on The Today Show with Katie Couric." I do not think he was encouraged at all, he did at least some of these things without permission from his superiors. There were levels of superiors between him and Fr Alvaro. but it is NOT clear that he was encouraged at all. If fact he was told to keep a low profile. Williams is arrogant....we can admit that. What the whole story is there I don't know because Fr Alvaro is too kind to express it publically, which I guess some people view as a problem.... but is it a problem that cannot be worked through?

"It's known that the US Territorial Director Fr. Luis Garza visited Maciel on his deathbed and threatend to expose him. It's know that Fr. Evaristo Sada, the great Secretary General, celebrated a funeral mass for Maciel with his wife and children." Neither of those things are worthy of imprisonment, and MM went to confession before he died so a funeral mass is fine...even people who have committe suicide get that. That Fr Garza threatened to expose MM... not sure what that means ... are you implying that he knew about MM's life for a long time, before the death bed? Did the threat come because Fr Garza found out shortly before the death and was angry?

"It's known that the beloved Fr. Alvaro Corcuera, renowned for his charity and humility, was 100% aware that Thomas Williams fathered a child and this information was kept from Cardinal DePaolis and the apostilic visitors" Who says the visitators asked about that stuff? You were not present in the interviews, and the visitation was not an investigation of the possible or actual sins of the members of the order. I guess one of the vistators could respond to that one.

And consider this; priests know the sins of others, some of them horrible. Does this mean they are responsible for them because they know them? I don't have a problem with them coming forward and saying they knew, if they did, as you say...and I have no evidence of that, just taking your word for it.... but then what does that mean?

Fr Alvaro is in fact well known for his charity and humility, and maybe it is too extreme at times but he has guidance on this now. Remember we all have intellect and reason.

I do wonder, though, whether the order could ask to refound, if they have the leadership to do it. I don't know how that works, but they seem to want to stay together and the Holy See certainly won't destroy what they have approved, but what if they ask??

Chalduce, there have been tremendous and wonderful fruits -- which it would take too long to mention here. That is the work of the Holy Spirit and prayer that evil cannot overcome.
7.10.2012 | 10:20am
Former LC says:
Edward-

Thanks for the straw man- but let's look at your argument: there is a difference between recognizing the sins of men in the Church (currently and throughout history) and leaving these people in positions of power. I don't think any of us calling for reforms claims only perfect men should lead the LC as perfect men cannot be found. Not even the Saints were perfect, and the holiness of Blessed JPII does not mean he never made mistakes as a man.

We recognize the Church as a human and divine institution is run by men who are flawed.

The difference is removing those men from positions of authority where they continue to pervert and distort truth.

Otherwise, according to your logic, no one should be excommunicated from the Church, and every Seminary should employ whatever theologians they want to instruct their seminarians. Should Catholic Universities purge heretical professors from its ranks? To quote you: "Where do you stop with this?"

It is unfathomable that men who are guilty of such heinous crimes against man and God are still in positions of authority. Calling for their removal is not tantamount to questioning the nature of Holy Mother Church. Rather, it is calling on Holy Mother Church to recognize human nature and act accordingly.

To put it bluntly: if you knew an institution had protected child rapists and stolen millions of dollars, would you send your kids to it? What you want your priests formed by it? Or would you seriously demand a power shift and a purge.

We are one mystical body... and so the LC's sins, past and current, do indeed affect us all in very real ways. As I said earlier, Maciel is dead, but his evil lives on. -9 years of lies
7.10.2012 | 1:32pm
Cbalducc says:
Edward,

I DO NOT BELIEVE the Catholic Church should be disbanded because of the sins of its members. I DO BELIEVE the continued existence of the Legionnaries of Christ is a liability for the Church as a whole because of the depravations of its founder.

Some people believe that Maciel was able to fool a lot of people in the hierarchy for decades because he had a multiple-personality disorder. In other words, he was a Dr. Jekyll and Mr. Hyde. I suspect that another factor was at play - those who knew better did not challenge him because HE BROUGHT A LOT OF MONEY INTO THE CHURCH. In other words, some people in the Church hierarchy are as craven and cynical as the worst political operators.

A lot of people are familiar with the following quote attributed to Edward Burke:
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." I believe the LC scandal arose because of the inactions of "good men".
7.10.2012 | 10:02pm
Edward says:
"It is unfathomable that men who are guilty of such heinous crimes against man and God are still in positions of authority." How are you conferring the heinous crimes of MM on the men who are superiors in the order? You assume some of them knew for a fact about his family, and some knew for a fact about his pedophilia among the seminarians and therefore they contributed to them....but who the heck are they???!! And then...what do we remove them the priests? Can they do anything in your view? Was Cardinal Law's removal from Boston and appointment in Rome a horrible thing for you, or did you want more to happen to him?

At least one went to the Vatican to try and talk to JPII but could not get in, at least if you believe the wikileaks!

What we need to be doing is to encourage them to say what they definately knew specifically regarding the MM crimes. You simply cannot assume that because one is an LC that they knew for a fact....the vasy majority of them did NOT KNOW, according to the Holy Father.

This is not the same as having heresies taught in seminaries. The LC do not teach anything doctrinally unsound. Fr Alvaro's communication has gotten better, and more straightforward. My goodness, B16's communication is not perfect for everyone! Oh by the way, in my diocese, priests and some lay people are sworn to secrecy about all kind of things.....hmmmm.

You are not going to get that by making blanket stetements that the existence of the order is a detriment ot the Church. You are wrong, the LC are NOT a detriment to the Church, and the Holy Father very much wants them to reform. What is a detriment to the Church is the memory of a horrible dead man, and that his sins are being conferred onto the entire order. This is simply unjust, and you yourself are being a detriment to the church and the faithful by continuing along this vein. The Holy Father specifically asked us NOT to confer the sins of the founder upon the entire order.

Look at these priests on an individual basis, please, and quit assuming that just because they have an LC after their name they are evil...that is a sin. I am sure the order would like to deal with each individual priest's situation as well, and I am confident that the delegate will be involved in all decisions because he approves all personnel changes.

So perhaps write to the delegate and let him know your positions. God bless.
7.10.2012 | 11:10pm
Elizabeth says:
Dear Former LC and Chalduce,

I am not convinced that the institution of the LC protected MM, and in fact I have less evidence of that than I do of dioceses and bishops who have turned away good men, then trained and accepted priests illsuited to begin with, and then became pedophiles. I do not believe these diocese should disappear, however, they need reform.

So if we are going to obliterate the LC by following your logic, then there go a large number of dioceses...which is making the SNAP people very happy. Lawyers never stop.

In terms of the correction of the distortion of church teaching in seminaries and universities as being comparable to you wishing the LC be disbanded, there is a difference. In the former case, the line in the sand is the teaching of the church in its entirety. This is not a moving target, although knowing the entire teaching of the church is a huge task that has likely only been accomplished by B16, and by his predecessor JPII. (By the way, given that B16 considers the LC fundamentally sound with normal adjustments and that they have a clear calling should count for more than something.)

Disbanding the LC because you say their superiors pervert and distort the truth IS a moving target. First you probably won't stop your opinion just because these superiors leave their positions, and second you will always think the LC distort the truth no matter what they say or what they do. It only depends upon your state of mind and hard headed opinion.

Quoting Edward Burke: "All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing." Well I am a "good man" and I cannot sit back and NOT inform you that a far more productive use of your time is to pray for the LC, see them as individuals, and to encourage their reform, along with the overall reform of the whole church.
7.11.2012 | 1:36am
Fr John says:
Interesting article, Fr. Thomas! I'm sure it might be frustrating watching and waiting for something to happen from where you are at. But you seem at arm's length.....we are still approachable and we could do it Dolan style and have it over a beer (or was Westchester style the cheese and wine?). Knowing how you react to things, I understand the limits to your patience but after reading the article, I also feel that you may be setting yourself up for frustration. The point that caught my attention was your judgment that two of the Cardinal's decisions may prove to be the final undoing of the Congregation. I don't know how others read that but to me I see you rooting (possibly actively campaigning) for it to happen. I see his and our success more in the line of each person's and the institutional holiness which requires a lot of purification due to personal and institutional history but not forgetting also the ability to point ourselves and others towards that goal (ultimately heaven....and never to abandon theological HOPE) because we have also a personal and institutional history with a lot of zeal, personal sacrifice (thanks for your years and your teaching!), generosity, enthusiasm and love for God which seems to be special and something that the Church might just need in these trying times.
That's why I question how much invested interest do you actually have that it happens and disagree with your final conclusion.
7.11.2012 | 12:06pm
Sandy says:
Just catching up here -

@Edward - "Sandy, Fr Shane did not sin against you and he is not twisting your mind."

What a relief!

- Sandy aka "Baffled"
7.11.2012 | 12:13pm
Former LC says:
Edward-

According to the law, when an individual is aware of a crime and actively or passively permits it to occur, one becomes and accessory to the crime.

It is not my opinion that millions of dollars were diverted from LC accounts. It is a fact. And it is a fact that a handfull of superiors personally chosen by MM knew of this and did nothing about it.

It is not my opnion that dozens of LCs went to superiors with their tales of abuse by MM. It is a fact. And it is a fact that those superiors dismissed them from the Congregation and smeared them as people who hate the Church. Please go back to 1997 and read some of the original comments of LC spokesmen.

It is not my opinion that LC knew, for example, of Fr. Thomas Williams child and they did not come clean during the great "reformation". Theresa above responds to that with the every perplexing "Who says the visitators asked about that stuff? You were not present in the interviews" which is always the best defense of a cover up. "Johnny how come you didn't tell me you were sent to detention at school? Because you never asked, Dad".

So, no, to again respond to your perpetual strawman, I did not say that all priests with an LC after their name are evil. I said these individual superiors, MMs closest allies, knew everything, and they remain in power. And that is a real shame and scandal. It is reform by reshuffle- and we saw how well that worked in the 60's and 70's and 80's in American dioceses.

I just find it alarming that many of you on here are mad at me... when all I do is call out truths which are very painful and uncomfortable to face. Thomas Berg did the same thing (Bravo, Father).

When you turn a blind eye to facts (missing millions, accusations of abuse, wives and sons on vacation with their "dad"), you have lost all credibility and trust. And to be a religious superior, you need some shred of trust. Currently the LC has none, which is why we get vapid, soulless responses to decades of abuse, rape, fraud, theft... very real crimes with very real victims, and all we get from the LC (and you, their faithful followers) are requests for prayers.

Christ did indeed make a whip of chords and drove out those people who polluted His Father's house. It's time the Church and the Legion do the same. If you attack me for calling for it, so be it. Truth is not always pleasant and justice is not always soft. The faithful deserve both, and currently has little of either.
-9 years of lies
7.11.2012 | 2:19pm
Pete Vere says:
One of the most insightful commentaries I have read on this whole debate was written by a young, orthodox Jesuit who prior to entering the Jesuits had spent time discerning a vocation with the Legion of Christ. The title of the essay is "Jesuit Obedience and the Legionaries of Christ" by Nathan O'Halloran, S.J.

In it, he discusses Catholic obedience as understood by St. Ignatius of Loyola and traditional Jesuit thought, and how that understanding was twisted by Marcial Maciel within the LC and RC: http://underachindolea.blogspot.ca/2009/02/jesuit-obedience-and-legionaries-of.html
7.11.2012 | 2:50pm
Campbell says:
Fr. Thomas, thank you for your voice of honesty and truth regarding the reform. The current LC RC spin is disheartening and further evidence that the current methodology mirrors that of the past. Regarding some of the comments here, there should be no room for exaggeration and grandiose platitudes in the reform of a Catholic organization which is widely believed to have destroyed the lives of thousands of innocent people. Regnum Christi members and the Catholic priests of the LC must understand that their current MO is a turnoff to Catholics who have investigated the organization. It seems that the LC RC still active are the only ones who cannot see that they have and continue to make a mockery of the Church.
7.11.2012 | 7:10pm
Luisa says:
"As a former student in a Legionary school in Mexico, I can assure that this order has had (and still has) a positive impact in Catholic culture and makes the Church present in the public square ..."
Well, as a Mexican Catholic I can inform you all that, fortunately, Maciel's sad outfit has minimal impact on the vast majority of Catholics in this country and is furthermore regarded as a silly, pretentious and rather alien club made up by people with extremely poor spiritiual and intellectual formation.
Their image was always dubious but it has deteriorated beyond words.
So much for "fruits" and other claims.
7.11.2012 | 9:38pm
I am an ex-rc. While I would hate to see good priests go to waste, I DO think that the institution has major flaws in its methodologies. In addition, the testimonials of so many abused consecrated women also shows that Regnum Christi group has major issues. I experienced manipulation, psychological abuse, shunning, public humiliation and harassment. There is something called the Catholic church and that is where we should all be (after deformation). The recruiting efforts should not be allowed to continue (at least in this country). I can't see a lot of change with all of the same people in charge. Would you have trusted Hitler to abide by reforms if asked? They are a religious cult and in my opinion, very dangerous for children's self-esteem.
7.12.2012 | 12:01am
Edward says:
Campbell, I am not RC/LC, I do not have an LC sitting next to me telling me what to say or do... and many of you are making vast assumptions about a LC/RC twist here and you are absolutely wrong about that. However it does not surprise me.

To Former LC, If the superiors are removed, where would you be happy with them going...jail? Are these issues of international law, civil law, what?! Don't the outside authorites already know about this stuff? Obviously the Church law is not sufficient for you. None of us are in charge of this....

To Pete Vere, thank you the article and I will read. I hope it is not old, though.

To Still Healing, "I experienced manipulation, psychological abuse, shunning, public humiliation and harassment. There is something called the Catholic church and that is where we should all be (after deformation)." Who was doing this to you? Was it non-RC/LC people? I agree that we are all Catholic, but you are witnessing that I am being accused of being part of an LC/RC spin and dishing out MO....and this is totally being made up by people who (I think) are Catholic.

Now they are being compared to Hitler!

Who's manipulating who? I know you are upset with me and others here for challenging your way of thinking but it needs to be done.

No one is turning a blind eye, but you guys sure spread rumors like the wind.
7.12.2012 | 12:02am
Elizabeth says:
I am not RC. Nice try, though.
7.12.2012 | 8:59am
Tom Sofio says:
'd like to respond to this comment from Elizabeth on July 6: "The superiors do not need to go anywhere. They just need God's grace and time and the Holy Spirit. It is only in rare cases when a priest needs to be removed from public ministry."

When the Sandusky/Penn State child-rape tragedy unfolded it only took a few weeks for Penn State's Board of Trustees to dismiss their president and other top officials who knowingly aided in a coverup or failed to report a crime. It's the same here: The current leaders aided in a coverup of mammoth proportions--for years and on multiple levels--and so they shouldn't be leading anyone.
We aren't saying they should be banned from public ministry. We are saying they should not be leading the troops. Let the reform continue, but as a sign of opening the windows to let in fresh air, get interim leaders at the helm who are not steeped in the filth and lies. It's common sense, the right thing to do.
7.12.2012 | 2:16pm
Edward: You are very arrogant. Yes, I was an rc. If you like, I will publish the name of the LC priest and what he said to me. I will also name the rc women and what they've said. I will quote what some ex-challenge moms have told me about their girls' experiences and why they pulled the girls out. I, on the other hand, do NOT like to publicly humiliate people as I am a Christian. Yes, I liken their behavior to Hitler as they think they are superior to others because of the way they cut their fruit and the way they part their hair.

Read the testimonials of the girls who left the consecrated group (49blogspot). It is psychological abuse. These girls were not allowed to make associations. It's like leaving a child in a crib and not tending to the child's needs or like being in an insane asyslum. They were monitored and snitched upon like they were in the movie, "The Firm" or "The Stepford Wives". Ever read the book, "1984" by George Orwell? How can these teens thrive in this environment? Perhaps they shouldn't have become "nuns", but they were tricked into joining via recruitment retreats and then restricted from all contact with parents. They were told not to tell their parents how unhappy they were. They were told that if they left, it meant that they lost their faith and turned against God. They are a cult and the sooner parents realize it, the better. And they don't save souls, they damage them. So Edward, if you have no experience with lc/rc, I'd suggest you talk about something you have knowledge about.
7.12.2012 | 4:56pm
Former LC says:
At least Penn State fired its football coaches. In the Legion, the same men who knew about the rape of children stay in power.

Tell me- who will hire coach McQuaery again? The man who watched a 10 year old boy be raped and did nothing... I don't think anyone wants him in their state, let alone their football program. But wait! He's a great coach! I'm sure he is- in as much as ens qua football. But in as much as a person... no thank you.

Yet all those LC priests with same pasts: knowledge of rape, stories of rape, minors asking for help. They turned a blind eye, expelled those boys, sent them home, defamed them all to protect Maciel. And they have not been fired at all.

So yes, Edward, they should be in jail. And if your boy was raped by Jerry Sandusky or Marcial Maciel, and you found our McQuary or Corcuera knew about it... could you breathe until justice was served?

It's just very, very sad that the Rose Bowl is a greater motivator for change than Fear of the Lord.
7.12.2012 | 5:34pm
Almost Out says:
Thank you Father Berg. I am almost through with Regnum Christi, since it seems that everyone who "gets it" is gone. You have put into words my thoughts exactly.
7.12.2012 | 5:48pm
Andrew says:
Edward said: "The Capuchin order had three founders, the first two being heretics and quite franky, we don't know enough about their personal lives to know if they sinned in other ways. Yet the order has survived. The Dominicans, Fransiscans, Jesuits, and most other orders and dioceses have had extremely serious scandals and reform and policy improvements have been called for there as well." First the comparison is very poor given the Capuchin foundation was an effort to return to the original rule of St. Francis, and in this it depended for it spirituality and personality. That the spirit of St. Francis was the driving force is evidenced by the fact that the founder with whom the order is identified only had 8 years to influence the group. The other two much less with the more infamous Bernadino of Ochino in trouble and on his way out in 5 years. One should note that a reform, since it is based already in a prior witness of life of an already approved founder requires much less from its founders when the sources for the reform- ie. the primitive rule and spirit of St. Francis are rich enough to bring forth the proper fruit. I should note that only Mateo of Bascia is considered a founder for the Capuchins today.

The major difference with the Legion of Christ was that it was defined and controlled in all of its operations and formation by a highly centralized authority driven by and focused on the person of Maciel. His letters were the primary framework of spirtuality and his life the focal point of imitation for his members. His dominance lasted for over 64 years, ensuring layers and layers of structural imprint. He referenced no other defining witness in foundation other than his own. Historically his person is inseparable from each defining moment of the foundation period.

What Maciel did leave for a spirituality was damaging enough. The Zeal and Sacrifice he implored was in essence a heretical form of activism noted in the communique phrase: efficiency at any cost. The thrill of gain, not communion, today excites the youngest neophyte, but leaves him in a shallow shell of use driven form of orothodoxy. Today the hunger for the elite places in culture impoverishes the ability to make a lasting impression anywhere they are found, and impression that only humble service can give. In Maciel we find no Francis and in this so called institutional reform there is neither witness, nor founder, nor charism.

Consider it simply: When a Capuchin wishes to understand his charism today he looks to Christ through the eyes of St. Francis, now through whose eyes do the LCs look through? What witness of life can they model their own lives, and that is truly a part of their history? These sacred sources on which every order counts is totally bankrupt making it a very dangerous place to be.
7.12.2012 | 7:41pm
Fr. Shane, Fr. Charles, Br. Daniel & Elizabeth - As a former RC member and mother of 5 kids who spent 6 months to 10 years in your formation centers, I can attest to the fact that very little has been said or done by the Legion to foster communication to those that left and those that left struggling. I was told by Fr. John Hopkins just 2 years ago that I was the worst gossip he had ever met and that my dear friend who exposed the antics of an LC Priest at Woodmont Academy was a liar. The school closed the next year. That was the day I realized the cover ups and lies didn't stop with maciel. My son saw corruption for himself inside the Legion less than 18 months ago...catering to the rich has not stopped. The only way I believe any of you can truly discern your vocations is to take a 6 months sabbatical OUT of the Legion. And do your own investigating. You may be surprised at what you find out. My daughter attended the PC reunion at ICA less than a month ago and talked to Fr. Luis Garza privately for a half an hour. She said that she was very concerned about all the souls who had suffered from such bad formation and said that the Legion should do all they could to help those people and apologize for their part in it, not just for what maciel did. He said he saw no need for apologizing. He is in charge of the North American Territory and was mm's right hand man for years. Until the Legion admits they were a cult and damaged hundreds of innocent young men and women, they will not have God's blessings. Schools are shutting down, apostolates are dying, sections are dwindling because you did not take responsibility for what you did because of maciel's sick formation. I would suggest you all go through the 12 Step Program because until you do, there can be no reform: They are as follows:
We admitted we were powerless over maciel—that our lives had become unmanageable.
Came to believe that a Power greater than ourselves could restore us to sanity. Made a decision to turn our will and our lives over to the care of God as we understood Him. Made a searching and fearless moral inventory of ourselves.
Admitted to God, to ourselves, and to another human being the exact nature of our wrongs.
Were entirely ready to have God remove all these defects of character.
Humbly asked Him to remove our shortcomings.
Made a list of all persons we had harmed, and became willing to make amends to them all.
Made direct amends to such people wherever possible, except when to do so would injure them or others.
Continued to take personal inventory, and when we were wrong, promptly admitted it.
Sought through prayer and meditation to improve our conscious contact with God as we understood Him, praying only for knowledge of His will for us and the power to carry that out.
12 Having had a spiritual awakening as the result of these steps, we tried to carry this message to maciel's victims, and to practice these principles in all our affairs.

I think you should especially consider 8, 9 & and 10. And, mm fooled 5 Popes. They are not always in the loop and can not always be privy to the numerous issues that many of us saw first hand that caused our departure. I find that many who defend the LC/RC did not send their kids to the schools and the ones who did and still support the LC/RC refuse to read or hear anything negative. They believe there is corruption everywhere, the Legion is no different. I could go on and on but I am not as eloquent as many of you so I can only continue to pray that the scales fall and you see the truth one day. I just lived it and watched my 15 year old son lose his heart and his emotions over a 3 year period. It has taken almost 2 years for him to get back on track. If nothing else, I pray that the apostolic schools shut down or at the very least become "real" schools with normal vacation periods. If the Legion had told the truth when the scandal first broke and held themselves accountable they would be thriving right now. It is not too late...
7.12.2012 | 9:06pm
Andrew says:
Elizabeth says: "I know diocesan priests, and many sisters who have been born of the Legion of Christ and their work." Well, being born of a religious institute is an interesting concept. At what point do particular goods from the Church truly derive from the charism of an order or rather are they being derived from the holiness of the Church herself?

Many of the persons "born of the Legion" were already strengthened by their families and parishes and other priestly mentors and were found ripe for the picking when the LC showed up to places which the LC termed fish ponds. These were places where evangelization had already happened and they were there to get the fruits. Once 'harvested', many already with graduate degrees from prestigious universities, as Fr. Berg and Fr. Gill among others, they worked to bring realities into place that MM was not the inspiration for, but was their own faith and sweat nurtured in Holy Mother Church and is rooted among other good and noble mentors. So Elizabeth I would not say every spiritual good that passed through the LC originated in the LC. They always loved to put themselves in places where good things were happening and conflate the reality to look as if they were the source of it all.

In the end the right to exist as a religious institute is not built around what goods you produce for the Church but what communion in grace and holiness the charism is able to brings about in others 24/7.


Elizabeth says: "I am not convinced that the institution of the LC protected MM, and in fact I have less evidence of that than I do of dioceses and bishops who have turned away good men, then trained and accepted priests illsuited to begin with, and then became pedophiles. "

Not being RC you did not go through the great betrayal when in 2006 LC leaders claimed MM was unjustly taking a fall when the Holy See censured him, they went on all the way through his own funeral projecting his holiness and his importance as a model for all LCs. This went on even though by 2005 the evidence of his double life was apparent internally to PTB around MM which includes photos with his mistress and daughter taken by LCs themselves. In the Visitors communique they spoke of a system of power that shrouded the founder's proclivities and this included real crimes. Former LCs from the 1950's and 60's described how they lied about his child and drug abuse to protect him. Those testimonies have been published in numerous news reports.

The great difference between an order and a diocese is our Lord Jesus Christ is the founder of the Church, not the local Bishop. The witness of holiness in foundation of a congregation is what gives it its spiritual identity, unless it is a reform drawing on some other foundational witness and founder. Without the witness there is no charism, no ideal that was ever divinely given. Charisms of these sorts are events, they cannot be processed or done in committee, well except now apparently.
7.12.2012 | 9:45pm
I am amazed how the spirit of Maciel can divide. LC/ex LC priests against each other. RC/exRC against each other - yet we are all on the same side! The side of Christ and his Church. Maciel's sins created a division that I have never experienced in my life. The irony is - it should be all of us together against Maciel, his methodology, his lies, his ways. What if he was renounced from the start, the victims given retribution, the PCs and consecrated asked to tell their stories early on and given support and help, the LCs given outside guidance and all LC/RC who still felt called to re-commit to a new organization? If that happened - I would think those who left would be respected by those who freely chose to stay. Those who chose to stay would be supported by those who left. As someone who left - I still just look at it all and say where is the investigation, accountability (like at Penn State!), penance and retribution for all those who have been hurt and why is it assumed that there is a charism? Maybe there is and maybe there isn't? Why are those who left always the bad ones who quit and are trying to take down a work of God? Treating those who leave and have constructive criticisms poorly is the worst of Maciel's traits. Outside input should be solicited and welcomed as part of any reform.

Fr. Berg - thank you for your brave testimonies. The letter you sent to RC the first week of the scandal was heart felt, honest and freeing for me and many, many others. Honestly you saved me from the pit of despair by reaching out in a compassionate way and caring for the person instead of the institution. I could not comprehend the response I was witnessing by LC leadership, LC priests and RC folks. You broke the mold and followed your heart instead of the methodology. Thank you.

By the way - this article at REGAIN about good and bad fruits is very insightful highlighting that "The pain of one person is not negated by the joy of 100".
http://www.regainnetwork.org/article.php?a=47246216

I actually experienced much joy during my time in RC but would give it all back if the truth of Maciel came out earlier to stop the pain of even one person. The good Lord would have taken care of me in other ways.
7.12.2012 | 10:00pm
Campbell says:
Folks who proudly claim they are not RC yet tow the party line are possibly more damaged by the cultish aspects of the Legionaries of Christ than they realize. RC is a title. One does not need a title to be influenced by a cult. I suggest that those of you who are confused by titles take a long break from anything LC/RC or anyone LC/RC. The fierce defending of an an organization is a huge warning sign that you are in a cult. Holy Mother Church is waiting for you with open arms and is in desparate need of your diligence.
7.13.2012 | 11:38am
Takers says:
My experience as a Regnum Christi member has left deep scars. What I remember most is that they said they wanted me to be an apostle and to bring others to Christ. They want leaders and I was one of the chosen few. Instead, it was servitude to the make-believe Kingdom. They venerated Superiors and could never say anything to defame him. There was no questioning of the Kingdom, only finding out everything about you during confessions and spiritual direction. Once recruited, your life is no longer private. They share information about you and rank you, even financially. How can you best be used? What can they take from you? They say they're trying to help you, but don't be fooled. They say you can lead people by starting bible studies. It's a way for them to meet and deceive more people. There are too many priests with nowhere to go. They are not welcomed in most dioceses because once they are let in, their subtle brainwashing and control process begins. They are sly as foxes. Protect your parish and don't fall for the wolves in sheep's clothing. Look at their founder's many scandals, the children born to priests, the sexual deviance and their psychological abuse of women. It's time for the Vatican to make concrete management decisions that will put an end to corruption and replace it with goodness, not more corruption. When will Rome get it?...that one can only "conquer evil with goodness". That is why the Legionary of Christ's mission continues to falter... because evil never wins. They were trained to seduce, manipulate and abuse, but they were poorly trained in the critical area of loving and caring for people. They are now very sensitive to criticism because it was never allowed in the past. They don't see themselves as they truly are and continue to be in denial. Love is the essence of Christian virtue and as priests, they should know
that one cannot claim to have faith if they know not love. The mask needs to be removed and the partying with the rich and famous will never impress our protector and redeemer, our Lord Jesus Christ.
7.13.2012 | 12:40pm
Cbalducc says:
In June, I posted a question wondering if the "cure" of suppressing the Legionnaries of Christ and Regnum Christi is worse than the "disease" of keeping these tainted organizations alive. If these organizations were suppressed, would it expose many secrets that would damage the reputation of people living and deceased in the Catholic hierarchy?
7.13.2012 | 1:48pm
hr says:
If there's no hope for RC/LC to reform, there's no hope for any of us sinners.
7.13.2012 | 2:18pm
Pete Vere says:
Anon out of RC - More divisive than Maciel's sins among orthodox Catholics, I believe, is LC/RC's treatment of Maciel's victims. These victims were previously silenced, slandered, and sued into submission by Maciel's closest supporters with the Legion and Regnum Christi. Moreover, once Maciel was finally outed, and it become obvious his victims were real and that their reputations had been unjustly tarnished, an apology by LC/RC was painfully slow in coming and seemed to come only after a huge and sustained outcry by orthodox Catholics outside of LC/RC. And to this day, many of the victims deny having received any restitution for what they suffered.

Many apologists for LC/RC point out that their beloved movement is not guilty of any heresy or lack of orthodoxy. The word "orthodoxy" means "right belief". The early Christian fathers, however, point out that orthodoxy does not exist in a vaccuum for Christians; rather it goes hand-in-hand with "orthopraxis" (right practice). The concern for most Catholic critics of LC/RC is the movement's orthopraxis, particularly the on-going perception that the movement neglects its victims.
7.14.2012 | 12:00am
Philip says:
PSiena,

I agree with your wise insights. However, there may be an alternative that you have not considered. I think that once the deceptive life of Fr. Maciel was exposed, each LC was put into a position comparable to someone faced with the possibility of an annulment. Just as a married man can have his marriage nullified upon providing evidence that he was bound to someone who deceived him and pretended to be someone or something that they were not from the beginning, so too, each LC can do the same with his committment to the Legionaries of Christ.

Alternatively, the married man, despite being deceived, may choose to remain married. He may try to make it work for the sake of his children or because he thinks that there is hope through counseling or reform. In this case, the sacrament is still valid. Is it not? Would not the same be true of an ordination to an order's approved charism?

So I think what is meant by the comment "life must go on in the meantime" is that you must make a decision and move on. Neither choice, to stay or to leave, is condemned by the church. It is a personal matter discerned in prayer with God.

As far as there actually being a charism, you raise some very, very interesting points. I will just throw my observations out there and hope that you read and reply:

- Do you think that God can use sinful people, and their gifts and talents, to accomplish His work? If so, is it possible that a charism could be transmitted through a flawed vessel?

- As far as legislating a charism, do you see any parallels between the Pharisees and current LC situation? I do. The Pharisees were invited to accept the truth and reform. They were called to humbly broaden their limited understanding of who their Savior was. Then, lead their people to Him.

Jesus never forced them to change, but He always hoped that they would have an inner conversion. Jesus was a Jew. I am sure He loved His people. Yet, they did not budge and crucified Him. This obstinate act of hatred and defiance did not negate Judaism. Or, Jesus' heritage.

Likewise, the LC's original charism, the one set forth on paper and submitted to the Vatican, is not negated by Maciel's behavior. It was authenticated by the Pope. The problem lies in the fact that the LC culture, what was lived day to day, varied greatly from what was written down. The key to reform will come from within the Legionaries of Christ. It cannot be imposed. The men in the order must have a conversion of heart. They must be humble and accept that they have had a lot of dysfunction. Then, they must identify it and work with purity of intention to create an internal culture consistent with the approved charism.

- I cannot help but think that the Pope continues to support the Legionaries of Christ. He, and other Vatican officials, have made very positive comments. Additionally, it does not seem as if they have any intention of suppressing the order.

- God's transforming power can work miracles - the Crucifixion led to the Resurrection, Jews who converted to Christianity helped establish the Catholic church, sinful people who repent can be made into great saints...so too, perhaps, can the LC culture be reformed or purified to be consistent with their original charism.

- We can never understand God's rationale with certainty. At least not all of the time. We sometimes need to broaden our perspective. Or just have faith. I do not know how the LC situation will play out. I do not think anyone does. It may take a few hundred years before the Holy Spirit clarifies it with some sort of finality.

- The way I look at it is this (1) the Pope allows LC/RC to exist (2) He encourages them through reform (3) they preach God's word and offer activities and events to help people be closer to Christ (4) they wear a scarlet letter and are condemned and ostracized by many (5) it is a very personal decision to stay or leave; either one is acceptable. (6) those who stay must be attracted to and experience some spiritual benefit from it.

- I think the more Catholics fight with each other and stir up hatred and scandal, the more the devil likes it. Maciel is one in a long line of pedophile, perverted priests. Fighting, and airing our dirty laundry, makes all of us look uncharitable and diminishes the credibility of the entire church. Which is so often dismissed as irrelevant. The early Christians were known by their love. Are we now to be known by our hate?

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7.14.2012 | 12:22pm
Tom says:
Dear Philip

What you say is interesting, logical and follows a narrative popular amongst those still in LCRC. But you make assumptions that evidence does not support.

1) You imply that approved statutes that were “valid” on paper. How do you know this? From my read, RC approval documents were confusing (in retrospect, deliberately so, imo).

2) You imply that because it was “approved” by Rome, it was “the Will of God”. JP2 called MM an “efficacious guide of youth”. This was not the “Will of God”, just a man making a big mistake. People, even Popes, make mistakes, especially if deceived by a masterful con. For many of us, the current methods and pace “reforms” are gravely mistaken, as clearly stated by Fr Berg and others.

3) I am not a Church historian, but I don’t think there is a single example of a founder that was a deliberate criminal con man and serial abusers, like MM. The danger is that his evil intent may spread. To many of us, his con profited and continues to profit from spiritual pride and greed. Many of us think that the simple solution is to disband this group because reforms are not possible under current leadership and delegate.

4) You assume an institution has the same “freedom” to reform as individuals. Individuals and institutions are different things. You can not create a company like Apple by committee or by fiat. Institutions need effective leaders, that propose a vision with goals, and make it happen. In LCRC the same leaders that helped Maciel deceive are still in place, and there are no clear goals outside of helping MM commit a con.

5) There is also the destructive cult like aspects of LCRC. In the last few decades, there are many examples of charismatic “guru” like figures that created highly controlled, hermetic environments to perpetuate spiritual/financial cons. Often these gurus abuse, like MM did. When people are indoctrinated to be part of such systems they can not see well for themselves, unless they leave and take the time to understand how they were manipulated. LCRC cult-like aspects were discussed at the recent International Cultic Studies Association meeting, a group that helps people victimized by destructive cults.

6) An additional big problem now is that the Papal delegate is keeping people trapped in this system. What he said over the last few months to the consecrated is unacceptable (trashing TT, that those that stayed should not speak to those the leave, that they are distraction etc..). This goes against God’s given freedom of conscience. He is perpetuating a harmful cult-like environment.

7) Another analogy of freedom of individuals vs. the praxis of the institution is the Italian mod. For decades they had a strict code of conduct that kept the system intact. About 20 years ago it’s started to break down in the US. Many people got disaffected and left. So the mob adapted to new circumstance, but they did not change their goals, they have not become a “do good” organization (…even if they donate to charities at times). Although people did not join LCRC to be knowingly part of a con, the prime goal of MM’s creation was to deceive, to con. The full extent of the con is not known, as the Papal delegate refuses to investigate. Unless there is a proper outside criminal investigation, it will never be possible to find out what parts of the system were designed for what aspects of the con. This includes writing and rules. Many of us are concerned that the system to con has changed little.

8) Many of us think that it will not change unless the current leaders are removed. Also those that want to stay and “profit” from being members, accept the full baggage/responsibilities of this group, including the need to fix evil committed by MM and his system, by justly restituting those that were hurt (not with passive “we are so sorry you feel so hurt from being abused”; and includ those hurt by the cult-like aspect). You want to stay in, you fix it. Don’t live off the misery of others, just because it makes you “feel” so “holy”.

9) Also, if people want to stay they should do a sabbatical outside for 6-12 months, to break away from the cult like thinking, so they can freely discern. Only after, those that want to return, could elect new leaders, rename the group and give in a new charism from scratch.

10) You are right, as Catholic we should not fight. But there are canons that give us the right to express concerns. Most of us are not radicals, neither do we intent to leave the Church. So be prepared for ongoing pressure from people like us, if this continues the way it is. Peppering arguments willy-nilly with “God’s Will”, “We are all fallen instruments”, “We all need to forgive” etc.., etc…isn’t going to work.

11) From my understanding, God wills us to follow his 2 commandments: to Love Him and Neighbor. He taught us how to pray, so we can ask for his Grace to help overcome our sinful nature, with the help of the Holy Sprit. He gave us a heart and a mind to use. So let’s stop thinking that a solution will fall from the sky, especially if hearts and minds are not changed.

Hope this makes sense.

Peace.
7.14.2012 | 1:16pm
Campbell says:
Philip, if you were referring to separate and "healthy" Catholic groups/orders, you have a few good points. But you're missing something. The LC/RC is a very sick organization. It is out of love and compassion that so many good people around the world have been attempting to wake up the LC/RC and those attached to the group. It is with love that we will continue to speak out in order to inform the public before they are taken in by the LC/RC cult tactics. And it is with love that we pray for all those who cannot see the truth of the dangers of this organization. The Catholic Church exists. The Legionaries of Christ are not the Church and they've done more to harm the Church than any group in this century. The Legionaries of Christ have had decades to right wrongs and they've done nothing. When the basic teachings of Jesus cannot be practiced in a Catholic organization, it isn't Catholic.
7.14.2012 | 1:39pm
Dave Monahan says:
If we are wondering why the Church has not suppressed the Legion we should not be looking to the parable of the tree and its fruits but to the parable of the wheat and the tares: Jesus instructs the Church not to be over-zealous in uprooting evil for fear of destroying the good, and to leave some of the work to God's final judgement. I think that explains the cautious pace of the Church's intervention, as well as the fact that, as I mentioned in an above post, that the suppression of the Legion in Mexico just isn't feasible.
So that means the Church is stuck with trying to reform the Legion, or at least letting it die on the vine.
If the Legion is going to be reformed a few things need to happen:
1) Legionaries need to give up the circular argument that "We are good because the Church approves us... and the Church approved us because we are good." Had the truth been better known, and had Maciel not been so adept at bribes and manipulation, the Legion would never have been approved. Its continued existence is the Church trying to make the best of a bad situation.
2) I know Legionaries have a great deal on their emotional plate right now, but they need to come to grips with the emotional wreckage that the congregation has left in its wake: there are thousands of ex-members, RC members, and benefactors who have been systematically manipulated and used. The Legion did that to to them, the Legion is responsible, the Legion needs to radically change.
3) The role of superiors in the intimate life of the members to be reduced. When superiors are spiritual directors, they will either not govern or they will manipulate their charges.
4) The pool of potential superiors needs to be expanded, and ordinary members need more say in how the congregation is governed. For all of its vaunted efficacy, the Legion has been fossilized in chronic bad behavior for years because of a ridged command structure and the same men occupying the same positions for decades.
5) Any proposed reform measures will be useless without a spiritual reform. LCs must avoid activism like the plague and start giving more than lip service to personal devotion to Christ, lectio divina, and learning to discern the voice of the Holy Spirit.
7.14.2012 | 5:32pm
Philip says:
Thank you for these comments. I have a few replies.

@ Tom

"You imply that approved statutes that were “valid” on paper. How do you know this?"

Does this statement from the LC web site mean anything to you?

"2004

On November 26, the Holy See grants definitive approval to the Regnum Christi Movement Statutes.

On the same day, John Paul II entrusts the care and management of the Pontifical Notre Dame of Jerusalem Institute to the Legionaries of Christ."

If so, what? I have always taken it to mean that the Vatican approves LC/RC. Assuming that Fr. Maciel "bribed" someone at the Vatican to give this approval, that does not explain the Vatican's continual support of the organizations - after the visitation and up until this day - Do you think that the current Pope and his Cardinals are corrupt? - Or, alternatively, do you think they are making a "big mistake"? - If so, what gives you confidence that you, or Father Berg, have any information that would add or detract from what they have already been given and analyzed?

I concur with your observation that leadership must change. Alvaro is woefully incompetent. Of that, I think everyone can agree. I have no idea why he did not recuse himself long ago.

Re: #4. I was referring to the individuals within the LC institution. The remaining men must lead the reform. Like Martin Luther King campaigning for civil rights. Eventually, the government changed. Individuals force institutional change.

Re: #5 I, and many others, never experienced the "cult like aspects" you describe. However, I was in a good section (DC). I think a lot of what you refer to depended upon the priests and 2G in your area. There are personnel problems with the church, worldwide, in this regard. You cannot micromanage things.

However, the 3G RC are another story. I have heard many negative things. Yet, I cannot substantiate any of it. I assumed that the Papal delegate could confirm the validity of statements submitted and that he knew more than I. Therefore, I thought that his comments were true. Why would he knowingly lie and "keep people trapped"? What possible benefit could he have in doing something like that?

I disagree with your comment that RC members need to "fix evil committed by MM and his system, by justly restituting those that were hurt" That is like saying I should pay reparations for evils committed by someone else. Like being taxed because my great, great, great grandfather owned a slave. I had nothing to do with this moral injustice and would have actively opposed slavery had I been alive at the time. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of RC would have spoken out against Fr. Maciel's depravity had they known about it. We are not guilty for his sins.

#10 and #11 insult my intelligence. My arguments are not weak nor did I ever imply that a solution would fall from the sky.

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@Campbell

I think it is good for you, Fr. Berg, and others to continue to speak out in love. It helps those on the inside to push reform. - However, it is lopsided to say they are completely evil. They have done a lot of good too. - So long as the LC are not suppressed, they are in the church. Are they not? So how can you claim they are not in or part of the church? - Look at the diocesean scandals in Philadelphia, California, Boston, Ireland; Boston, Germany. Are the victims of those abusive priests any less important? Is the damage inflicted any less prevalent? For decades, multiple priests abused innocent children entrusted to their care. Homosexuality is rampant in some seminaries and orders. The Legionaries have problems, but can you honestly say they are significantly different than those faced by Catholics elsewhere?
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@ Monahan

I agree with your comments. Time will tell.

However, I disagree that "the suppression of the Legion in Mexico just isn't feasible". The Pope could dissolve the order and implement a process of transferring property and responsibiities to local clergy if he desired to do so. To imply that he makes decisions based upon material considerations and not spiritual truth is disturbing. You may be right, but it's still disturbing. If true, it gives people reason to shun the church.

And, I guess that is what it comes down to for me. I trust those leading our church. I cannot perpetually second guess or try to do their job for them. If what they tell me isn't true, as some people claim, then I'm a fool. But, I have not left critical thinking at the door. I have reasoned through things and come to this conclusion.
7.14.2012 | 7:02pm
Jail Time says:
Philip:

Diocesan priests who are guilty of abusing minors are fined and sent to jail. Men who do not hide behind Roman collars and who abuse minors are called pedophiles and serve time in prison. Men who sexually abuse women are called rapists and they are given prison sentences. There are rules that even orthodox Catholics must abide by. Yes, even the Legionaries of Christ and their accomplices, Regum Christi.
7.14.2012 | 7:13pm
FrMichael says:
The Legion of Satan has a dual charism: it was founded by Maciel to (1) provide him with young male sexual victims and (2) large amounts of unaccounted-for cash, under the cover of orthodox Catholicism. Looked at in these terms, it is among the most successful Catholic movements of the 20th century. There is no reason for people to act as if the Legion's charism is a mystery. We know exactly why Maciel founded it: his malign intentions bore rotten fruit from the very beginning. Now that this ungodly pervert lies in the grave, the LS organization continues without a purpose, since its charism did not come from the Holy Spirit but rather from the bowels of Hell. IMNSHO RC should be shut down and a non-Legionnaire be made superior of the LS. This superior would have the task of the orderly shutting down of the Legion. The money would be accounted-for and properly dispersed to the schools and dioceses in which the LS is found, as well as the numerous victims of LS/RC, while a thorough culling (by non-Legionnaire evaluators) of their priests and seminarians could be made. The repairable ones could be given to healthy religious orders or dioceses and a supervised return to ministry. The rest should be laicized.
7.14.2012 | 9:28pm
Tom says:
Dear Phillip

1) “Do you think that the current Pope and his Cardinals are corrupt?”

I really like both JP2 and Benedict, not just as Popes, but also as teachers, from their writings and sermons. JP2 was also a towering figure in the fight against the iron curtain. I don’t think they are corrupt. But I think they are humans, and like Saint Peter, can make mistakes. As far as Cardinals, I am sure that as young priest, most started with great intentions, but who knows what happens with time. We know, for example, that Cardinal Sodano’s nephew was a contactor for the Roman LC campus. This same nephew was also in partnership with real estate master con artist, Raffaello Follieri, who went to jail. So yes, I think that some Cardinals can succumb to earthly temptations, like any one of us. Smart conmen like MM know how to exploit such weaknesses.

Xavier Leger, an ex French legionnaire gives an account in his blog, on Pope Benedict’s visit to the Roman LC campus still under constitution, in 2000. His secretary mentioned to the LC superior at the time, that Pope Benedict said «I have to change my concept of miracle!» and «It is here that the counter reformation starts!». From Pope Benedict’s book, we know that at that time he already knew about MM. So yes, it appears that, that despite an evil founder, Pope Benedict was impressed by LC buildings.

The topic of the ICSA meeting was the notion of “fruits”. LCRCers often says “look at all the good fruits”. It appears that “fruits” means real estate now.

Furthermore Xavier says that he had a conversation with a highly placed Vatican priest, who said:

“I for one, am convinced that, in the case of the Legion, if the biological children had not come to claim their inheritance after the death of Maciel, based on irrefutable DNA evidence, the hierarchy would had continued to ignored complaints from ex-legionaries coming from all direction, accusing Maciel of sexual abuse, drug addiction, corruption and manipulation….”

So sadly, it appears that the only reason the MM/LCRC scandal came to light in the end, was because MM’s children forced the Church, with DNA evidence. They probably would have gone public themselves and sued the Church and/or LCRC.

2) “I, and many others, never experienced the "cult like aspects" you describe”

Until recently people made private vows of absolute obedience and to never criticize MM. A mark of most extreme cult is a) absolute elitism, b) absolute obedience. It’s a tradeoff. For accepting to do anything for the cult guru, one is made to feel “super special.” These vows were abolished in LC I think in about 2004-2005, and much later for the 3gf (with LC priests lying to parents about this). However, nobody ever said to LCRCs that people can not hold these vows privately, and stay true to MM’s “spirit”. How many current leaders are still, in their hearts, followers of MM’s vows and remain obedient to MM? Just look at Fr Garza’s statements in the last 12 months. In September he said the MM was a psychopath. Now, backtracking, he recently said that it was only in the late 1990’s that he noticed something wrong. So the narrative is changing, MM seems to be rehabilitated.

What is incomprehensible for me is how the Vatican approved RC/3gf , knowing that the founder was a man that had intercourse/families with multiple women, and allegedly abused at least one of his children in addition to others. To boot, Cardinal Rode’s approval letter was vague from a canonical point of view, opening the door for emotional abuse. Please explain that to me, Philip, why this happened? I don’t have an answer. It is shocking.

Also in LC, it is still ok, to this day, to teach MM as long as he is not cited. How can an order use the “teachings” of an unrepentant criminal for religious education? Please explain that to me.

3) “Yet, I cannot substantiate any of it.”

Are you implying that stories in 49weeks are lies?

Recently an ex lc posted on life-after-RC that he knew of ex lcs that went to jail or were on drugs. I myself witness the deception in our parish. In Atlanta where I live, there are many families that were adversely affected.

In typical cults, there are those that are true believer, like yourself, those that leave and are not too badly affected (even most Holocaust survivors moved on with their lives), those that become vocal against the group, and those are that are damaged (in any major life trauma, there are about 20-25% of people that have a harder time to recover). True believers will always dismiss or downplay any damage, like what Tom Cruise is doing now. This is not even mentioning other damages, like our Church’s reputation.

My impression is, if the Pope truly knew first hand of the emotional and psychological abuse and danmage, he would have disbanded LCRC long ago. But I also think the Pope is kept in the dark, and is not being informed.

If the hierarchy had sense, they would do a study how many were hurt, in order to prevent this from ever happing again. A few harmed, even one, are too many.

4) “What possible benefit could he have in doing something like that”

How about 30 billion euros worth of reasons? Its not only buildings, this can be extremely lucrative for the leaders, the “fruits”!

5) “I disagree with your comment that RC members need to "fix evil committed by MM and his system”

Thanks, you confirmed why LCRC needs to be shut down now. To this day, all Germans pay restitutions to Jewish families affected by the Holocaust, via taxes. BP share holders are paying billions to fix the Gulf oil spill. Penn State alumni will pay for year the Sandusky cover up, the football program may be shut down. If you want to be part of LCRC so you can feel “super special”, that is your trip, but you have to pay for it, by paying restitutions to those that were damaged by this organization. Don’t pass on the buck on the rest of us. Take responsability of your choices.

“#10 and #11 insult my intelligence”
That was not my intentions, but by the same token, please stop lecturing all of us about “God’s Will”, “good fruits”, “all the good we do”, etc.. deal?

Peace man.
7.15.2012 | 12:39pm
Tess says:
The Chosen People had to spend 40 years wandering in the desert because they had too much of “Egypt” still inside of them. The Legion of Christ is now living its desert to purify it of all those aspects of the distorted mentality of Maciel that were left in it. The Legion is certainly not the Chosen People, but if God, through his Church, has chosen to allow the Legion to continue to exist rather than totally eradicating it, could there not be a possibility that He does wish a purified Legion to still carry out a mission in today’s world?
7.15.2012 | 12:57pm
Broken says:
I wish Fr Thomas Berg could be part of the solution to fix LC/RC by serving on an advisory board. They are definitely broken. As for letting the church decide? They protected the founder, Marciel Maciel. Perhaps, they, too, are broken. Fr. Thomas Berg is logical, experienced in LC, and clearly ethical and compassionate. It sounds to me like he could clean up this religious mess that is still trying to rake in money and deceive people.
7.15.2012 | 3:54pm
I see the snake slithering in this garden. Can you? I invive all LC/RC, broken, confused, scandalized, faithful and disappointed to remember the that we are all the Body of Christ. This body must heal. Sounds like the Pope is gathering all the parts together, hunkering down for a long rehabilitation, so, prayfully, I ask for a wholeness, for a healing.
Thank you Fr. Berg. A very interesting dialog.
Love and peace in Christ to all who posted here.
7.15.2012 | 4:18pm
Luisa says:
"The Legionaries have problems, but can you honestly say they are significantly different than those faced by Catholics elsewhere?"
Yes. Because no other outfit in the Catholic Church was founded by a child rapist and crook in order to control and malform people so as to have his harem and plenty of money to spend on mistresses, bastards, etc.
Next?
7.15.2012 | 6:04pm
PHILIP says:
@ Tom

Let me recap your points. My response are in caps.

#1 tells me that you think that John Paul II was most likely unintentionally duped by the Legionaries of Christ, but Pope Benedict XVI intentionally continued to support them because of real estate considerations. Additionally, it is your opinion, that no one in the Vatican would have even addressed the scandals involving Fr. Maciel had his biological children not stepped forward and provided irrefutable DNA evidence.

I, TOO, THINK JOHN PAUL II WAS DECEIVED. HOWEVER, I DO NOT BELIEVE POPE BENEDICT XVI SUPPORTS THE LC/RC BECAUSE OF REAL ESTATE INTERSTS. HE COULD EASILY ISSUE A 5-10 YEAR PLAN TO DISSOLVE THE ORDER AND HAVE EVERYTHING ABSORBED INTO LOCALIITIES.

YOU MAY BE RIGHT ABOUT THE BIOLOGICAL CHILDREN AND PHYSICAL EVIDENCE. HOWEVER, THE REASON FOR THE DELAY MAY NOT HAVE BEEN SINISTER. IT MAY HAVE BEEN BECAUSE YOU CANNOT LEVEL CHARGES AGAINST SOMEONE WITHOUT CREDIBLE EVIDENCE. CIRCUMSTANTIAL HEARSAY TYPICALLY DOES NOT CARRY MUCH WEIGHT IN JUDICIAL SYSTEMS. "INNOCENT UNTIL PROVEN GUILTY" IS SOMETIMES A DIFFICULT CONCEPT TO LIVE BY. HOWEVER, IT IS THE MOST RIGHTEOUS WAY TO RUN A COURT OF LAW.

#2 Many people never spoke about the "cult like aspects" because they were under a vow of silence. This vow has been officially removed, but you think that some people mey still follow it "in spirit". It may still be in the LC culture. This is evident by some of the leaders comments that seem to soften the reality of who Maciel was and what he did. You do not understand how or why the Vatican continues to support the LC/RC organizations and believe that their statements may allow emotional abuse and faulty religious education to take place.

I AM NOT A LEGIONARY OF CHRIST. THEREFORE, I CANNOT COMMENT AS TO WHAT THEIR CULTURE WAS LIKE BEFORE AND AFTER THE VOW OF SILENCE WAS LIFTED. I ALSO CANNOT COMMENT ON WHAT MOST OF THE CURRENT LC THINK OF FR. MACIEL. I SIMPLY DO NOT KNOW. YET, NEITHER DO YOU KNOW. CLEARLY, SOME LCs ARE READING THIS POST. THEY HAVE COMMENTED USING THEIR NAMES AND TITLES. THE SUCCESSFUL REFORMATION OF THE LC/RC LIES IN THEIR HANDS. THEY CANNOT ALLOW THE LC/RC CONTINUE ON AS THEY HAVE IN THE PAST, WITH 'INSTITUTIONAL RESISTANCE' TO DEEP INTROSPECTION AND CHANGE.

WE DO HAVE ACCESS TO PUBLIC STATEMENTS ISSUED BY SOME HIGH LEVEL LEGIONARIES OF CHRIST AND THE VATICAN. THERE HAVE BEEN SOME VERY STRONG CONDEMNATIONS OF FATHER MACIEL BY BOTH. YET, THERE ARE SOME EXTREMELY POSITIVE, SUPPORTIVE MESSAGES REGARDING THE ORGANIZATIONS. THIS SEEMS TO BE A POINT OF GREAT CONFUSION FOR YOU. IT IS TO MOST PEOPLE.

I INTERPRET IT TO MEAN THAT WHILE FATHER MACIEL IS ROUNDLY CONDEMNED, THE LC/RC ARE NOT. THE POPE AND VATICAN WANT, AND HAVE GREAT HOPE, THAT THEY WILL REFORM AND CONTINUE WORKING WITHIN THE CHURCH. THEY ALSO DO NOT HOLD CURRENT MEMBERS RESPONSIBLE FOR FATHER MACIEL'S PAST CRIMES.

I DO NOT BELIEVE, AS YOU DO, THAT THE POPE OR VATICAN OFFICIALS WERE BRIBED OR ONLY CONSIDERING THINGS FROM A FINANCIAL PERSPECTIVE WHEN ISSUING THEIR STATEMENTS.

#3 You have read blogs discussing and witnessed the negative experiences of some people leaving the LC/RC. You think that I am an ardent believer in a cult and that the Pope does not know about the psychological and emotional problems that individuals experience when leaving these organizations. If he did, he would shut them down. Additionally, "if the hierarchy had any sense", they would study what happened here to make sure it never happens again.

I HAVE NOT READ THE BLOG YOU REFER TO. HOWEVER, I THINK FOR THE VATICAN TO MAKE A DECISION ON SOMETHING IT NEEDS TO BE OF A MORE PROFESSIONAL STATURE. THEY RECEIVED SIGNED LETTERS AND DEPOSITIONS FROM HUNDREDS, MAYBE THOUSANDS, OF PEOPLE FOR AND AGAINST THE LC/RC. I THINK THEY HAVE A GREATER PERSPECTIVE ON THE SITUATION THAN YOU GIVE THEM CREDIT FOR. THEY ARE WELL VERSED ON EVERYTHING. AND, THEY CHOSE NOT TO SHUT THEM DOWN. THEY ENCOURAGE THEM TO CARRY ON.

I CHOOSE TO BELIEVE IN THEIR JUDGMENT. WHEREAS, YOU SAY THEY HAVE NO SENSE. I THINK THEY HAVE GREATER A UNDERSTANDING OF THE SITUATION THAN THOSE OF US WITHOUT THE BENEFIT OF REVIEWING THE TOTALITY OF EVIDENCE SUBMITTED. I AM CONFIDENT THAT THEY WILL STUDY HOW THIS HAPPENED AND TAKE STEPS TO ENSURE IT NEVER OCCURS AGAIN. LOOK AT HOW THE USA REFORMED AFTER THE SEX ABUSE SCANDALS.

#4 The visatators, Cardinals, are corrupt. They issued a report in support of LC/RC and have made positive comments because they are bribed or somehow financially benefit from the LC/RC existence.

I DO NOT THINK THIS IS AN ACCURATE STATEMENT. FURTHER, YOU PROVIDE NO EVIDENCE TO SUPPORT IT. IT IS SLANDEROUS.

#5 Because I do not believe in reparations like those currently being paid to Jews by all Germans (including those innocent people who had nothing to do with World War II) for war crimes committed from 1939-1945, that is great proof that the LC/RC should be shut down. Further, you think that being a part of LC/RC makes me feel "special" and is "my trip". If I choose to be member, then I must financially compensate anyone in the past who may have been harmed by their participation in them.

DO YOU BELIEVE YOU SHOULD PAY REPARATIONS FOR YOUR GREAT, GREAT GRANDFATHER OWNING A SLAVE? PROBABLY NOT. WHY? BECAUSE YOU HAD NOTHING TO DO WITH IT. YOU WERE BORN SEVERAL GENERATIONS LATER.

IF YOU DO BELIEVE THAT YOU SHOULD PAY REPARATIONS, THEN HOW MANY GENERATIONS SHOULD THAT CONTINUE FOR? 5 GENERATIONS? 10? WHEN WILL THERE EVER BE FORGIVENESS? HOW MANY GENERATIONS MUST SUFFER FOR THEIR DISTANT ANCESTORS' SINS? HOW MUCH MONEY WILL EVER BE ENOUGH TO FULFILL THE DEBT? MAKE THE INJUSTICE RIGHT?

BEING PART OF RC IS NOT A "TRIP" FOR ME, NOR DOES IT MAKE ME FEEL "SPECIAL". I HAPPEN TO THINK THAT THE WEEKLY MEETINGS, ACCOUNTABILITY AND DISCUSSIONS WITH OTHER PEOPLE OF FAITH, RETREATS, AND ACTIVITIES ARE GREAT. I TOTALLY ENJOT THEM AND HAVE NOTHING LIKE IT IN ANY OF THE PARISHES SURROUNDING MY HOME. I THINK THEY HAVE SOME GOOD THINGS TO OFFER PEOPLE AND THAT IS WHY I AM INVOLVED WITH THEM.

IT MAY NOT BE FOR YOU, AND I RESPECT THAT. HOWEVER, IT SURE IS HELPING ME AND MY FAMILY. YOU CAN DO YOUR THING AND I'LL DO MINE. THERE IS ROOM FOR EVERYONE IN THE CHURCH. I WON'T EXPECT YOU TO PAY FOR THE CORRUPTION IN YOUR NECK OF THE WOODS.

#10 and #11 You did not mean to insult my intelligence, but felt as if I should not speak about anything positive within the LC/RC. So long as I fulfill that request, you will not level such ridiculous charges against me.

HAHAHA

PEACE TO YOU TOO MY BROTHER.
7.15.2012 | 9:30pm
Pete Vere says:
Philip wrote: "I disagree with your comment that RC members need to 'fix evil committed by MM and his system, by justly restituting those that were hurt' That is like saying I should pay reparations for evils committed by someone else. Like being taxed because my great, great, great grandfather owned a slave. I had nothing to do with this moral injustice and would have actively opposed slavery had I been alive at the time. Likewise, the overwhelming majority of RC would have spoken out against Fr. Maciel's depravity had they known about it. We are not guilty for his sins. "

Actually, you are insofar as members of LC/RC committed detraction against Maciel's victims who had come forward to expose the truth regarding Maciel, even if you truly believed Maciel to be innocent. As explained by the Catholic Encyclopedia commissioned under Pope St. Pius X:

"The detractor having violated an unimpeachable right of another is bound to restitution. He must do his best to put back the one whom he has thus outraged in possession of the fair fame which the latter hitherto enjoyed. He must likewise make good whatever other loss he in some measure foresaw his victim would sustain as a result of this unfair defamation, such as damage measurable in terms of money. The obligation in either instance is perfectly clear... The obligation of the detractor to make compensation for pecuniary loss and the like is not only personal but BECOMES A BURDEN ON HIS HEIRS AS WELL." (emphasis mine)

http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/04757a.htm

In short, when Maciel and his followers falsely denounced Maciel's victims as liars and enemies of the Church, they committed the offense of detraction. There is now a clear obligation on the part of these individuals to make restitution to Maciel's victims. Moreover, as Maciel's spiritual heirs, this obligation passes on to the LC/RC.

Again, this goes back to my earlier comment that many orthodox Catholics are concerned that LC/RC, while claiming orthodoxy, lacks orthopraxis. A moral requirement to apologize for one's wrongdoing, especially when one's wrongdoing has unjustly harmed the reputation of others, is one of the first lessons taught in the Baltimore Catechism. Thus it is very difficult for orthodox Catholics to understand why LC/RC - with its claims of orthodoxy and loyalty the Church, its extended seminary formation process, and its countless priests with advanced degrees in moral theology - appears to have such difficulty understanding the need to apologize and make restitution to its victims whose reputations were unjustly tarnished.
7.15.2012 | 10:22pm
Tom says:
Philip

Re: “#4 The visatators, Cardinals, are corrupt. They issued a report in support of LC/RC and have made positive comments because they are bribed or somehow financially benefit from the LC/RC existence”

I never said that, I just quoted the total estimated value of LCRC according to respected Vatican specialized journalist, Sandro Magister. When there are such hugh sums of money, of course it plays role. The Church would be foolish not to take it under consideration. But it should not be the only factor, either.

For the rest, you are obviously upset. But please understand that there are people hurt not only by MM, but by the methods he instituted. These people are are left struggling by themselves. What is being done about it? The fact is the official Church has not much in this regard. But we are all members of the Church. So what are we doing? Don’t you think we should have some real compassion, understanding? I meet several of them, they are alive now, not slaves long dead. You said something about “love”, love is not just a word, it’s hard to implement at times for all of us. This is my last post. All the best, and prayers.
7.16.2012 | 8:41am
Campbell says:
God gave us free will. If we choose to associate ourselves with a group of Catholics who bully other Catholics as well as commit crimes against them, we will be held responsible for our part in the pain and suffering of those souls. Taking Maciel out of the equation doesnt make the LC/RC reformed and ignoring that they haven't made efforts to right wrongs doesn't dissolve the sins of the LC/RC.

Supporters of the LC/RC will not win a "get out of jail free card" because they chose to follow a corrupt Catholic organization approved by a bunch of men who wear red and white hats.

It's time that the LC/RC and their supporters put their trust and salvation in Jesus Christ, not man.
7.16.2012 | 1:35pm
Lee says:
Campbell, you make a very good point about free will. By now, every LC and every RC has likely heard reports of harm experienced by RCs and LCs. Whether they choose to face the possibility that their group is responsible or not is up to them. I don't know how a group can be in the news so much (bringing scandal to the Church more and more) and still stubbornly attribute their issues to the acts of the dead founder alone.

When I was drawn into Regnum Christi, it was largely due to the influence of one very good Legionary priest. I'llalways wonder why he didn't spare me the grief and trouble I have experienced, because he later told me there were things he 'd believed all along about the founder and the abuse victims. Maybe what I am asking now is along the same line as the question "how can you take orders from these guys.", but my question is this: how can RCs and LCs keep recruiting people to the movement knowing that so many people (and not just MM's victims) have suffered? Seeing the recent news about pre-candidates and their 77 signature petition to the Vatican, describing their ordeal in the pre-candidacy, or hearing about 3gfs who went to visit Totus Tuus as an option for their future, and were shunned upon their return - these are current problems, and not attributable to the founder.

So if you recruit people to RC, do you warn them in advance that the system is being reformed, and that there has actually been a lot of suffering and scandal that has come out of RC and LC? Because I think this comes down to free will again. Do you use your free will to recruit people and withhold this information?does an LC counseling someone on retreat warn them about incorporating, that things are in the process of reform, and it might be a good idea to wait to get involved? If a young man is discerning a vocation, do LCs now suggest this isn't the best time to consider the Legion, and point them in the direction of another group? It seems to me, you are stuck between two bad choices. Do you recruit, knowing it may result in harm? On the other hand, if you think it's better not to recruit, then what are you doing with this group that you can't in good conscience invite people to participate?
7.16.2012 | 7:15pm
Amy says:
I have great respect for Legionaries who have felt that they cannot or should not continue to live out their priesthood within the Legion of Christ and I consider their reasons to be very valid. However, I have less respect for a position that judges those who continue to experience God calling them to continue as Legionaries as being necessarily mistaken or judge as certainly erroneous the Church’s call that there is something salvageable in the Legion. If God stooped down to earth to redeem a fallen human race, can we truly judge the Church for stooping to help and salvage the good in a wounded Legion of Christ?
7.16.2012 | 11:46pm
Philip says:
Here is a tiny sampling of corrupt Catholic priests and systematic cover-ups from around the world.

http://www.time.com/time/specials/packages/completelist/0,29569,1992502,00.html and http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

I am sure you can find a more exhaustive list if you conduct further searches. Once you read some of these articles, you will see parallels between them and LC/RC.

Pete Vere says “In short, when Maciel and his followers falsely denounced Maciel's victims as liars and enemies of the Church, they committed the offense of detraction.”

First off, I never called them liars. I did not know what to think at the time I heard of the accusations. I expected the church would discern truth and get to the bottom of it. As a general rule, I prefer to think people are innocent until proven guilty. However, I made no comment for or against the victims.

I would also like to point out that many disgruntled former RC/LC post slanderous, unsubstantiated comments leveling very serious charges against Vatican officials (corruption, bribery, etc.) without a care in the world for how it might impact them personally or the church negatively. There must be a name for that type of sin as well.

Secondly, can you provide one authenticated quote where an LC called the victims “liars and enemies of the church”? I did not read, nor hear any such a comment. My impression was that most people relied on Fr. Alvaro’s public statement about Father Maciel choosing to suffer and remain silent….which, now, we know was completely deceptive.

For that outrage, everyone, all the way up to the Vatican, should be upset. You must understand that we were victims too! Fr. Berg was a victim. Fr. Gill was a victim. I was a victim. Anyone who trusted Fr. Alvaro was a victim. I will never understand why the Vatican let him get away with that falsehood for two years. We, in retrospect, placed too much trust in them to condemn it if it was a lie. Their silence gave tacit approval to Alvaro’s statement and bolstered its credibility. Alvaro should have been immediately removed from his position after such a blatant untruth.

I cannot speak for everyone, but I do think the vast majority of current RC/LC would like to see Fr Alvaro and the major superiors removed. We believe that they knew of Fr. Maciel’s depravity and transgressions and have an obligation to “make restitution to Maciel's victims.” They should personally and publicly apologize for lying and making the victims lives that much more anguished.

Eventually, the LC (as an institution) did issue generic apologies to the victims. Yet, I agree with Fr. Thomas Berg’s analysis that it always seems to be too little, too late. It is almost as if there must be overwhelming pressure, from within and without, in order for them to do the right thing. This is troubling. Yet, I have more hope than you do that the remaining LC/RC will, individually and collectively, unceasingly persevere and push for truth and reform.

It’s too bad the general counsel is so far off. That is when heads will roll. That is when real, extensive change begins. I suppose the great fear is that the only ones left will be “Macielistas” or that no one will care anymore. It will be too late and the LC/RC will be condemned to die a slow death. That is why letters like Fr. Berg’s are a blessing. It keeps people focused on pushing for reform. Ultimately, as I’ve said many times, the fate of the LC remains with the men still there. They are the only ones with real power to push for, no demand, change. The RC have a much more limited ability to influence anything at all.

You wonder why I stay. It’s a fair enough question. My answer is that I love it. I have never found anything like it in the church. I tried. It’s a good fit for me. And, as much as anyone can discern God’s will with clarity, feels like that is where I am called to be. It’s as simple as that.

Reforms are not always easy. However, they are possible. Many other church dioceses and institutions faced the truth of the evil within them and worked to eradicate it as much as humanly possible. The pattern of cover up that outrages you re: the Legion of Christ, has happened in these other places.

Cardinal Law in Boston.
Ireland’s systemic abuse was horrific. It has caused so much damage. It’s almost incomprehensible.
Look at what difficulties Archbishop Chaput had in Philadelphia

http://www.snapnetwork.org/pa_victims_want_philly_catholic_official_defrocked

and read these

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Settlements_and_bankruptcies_in_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases

And, so while acknowledging the LC/RC scandal is horrific, I do think it is something that they can recover from – as these other Catholic organizations did. -

I agree with Chaput’s comments in this article

http://www.ncregister.com/daily-news/archbishop-chaput-the-church-belongs-to-jesus-christ/

Lastly, I do think there should be some sort of one time financial restitution to Maciel’s victims – as there were in these other church cases. The above link touches upon some of the multi-million dollar settlements with victims that have bankrupted some dioceses.

Settlements occur so both parties can move on. No amount of money can ever right the wrong perpetuated. However, it can bring them some financial comfort to the victims and perhaps good counseling. Forgiveness must take place for victim and repentant sinner to heal. Additionally, in these awful cases, there are innocent third party parishioners hit by the schrapnel. They, too, need to forgive their corrupt leaders and heal. To trust again. The church leaders and institutions need to recognize the need to rebuild broken relationships and trust as well as set up policies and procedures to ensure that they are better in the future.

Yet, settlements are different than reparations. I do not think it is right for victims to expect long-term ongoing payments from parishioners in those dioceses simply because they are part of the Catholic Church. Likewise, after a one time settlement with the LC, I do not think Maciel’s victims should expect long term, on-going payments from the RC because they are part of the RC/LC organizations.

So, Pete, we will have to agree to disagree that “as Maciel's spiritual heirs, this obligation passes on to the LC/RC”. Using this logic, Cardinal Law’s Boston parishioners should all still be paying for his crimes. Likewise, Chaput’s in Philadelphia – just go down the onerous list.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roman_Catholic_sex_abuse_cases_by_country
7.17.2012 | 10:16pm
Lee says:
@Philip, I'm sorry I don't have more time to respond, but your post showed some sparks of hope for me. I don't agree with everything you said, but will try to approach from a "glass half full" point of view.

I am heartened to see that you feel free enough to state some negatives, something I have not heard from any LCs in any sincere and honest fashion. Negatives like Fr Alvaro and his lack of honesty or leadership, your disappointment with the superiors. Anyone In their right mind should be appalled by the lies and deception. I hope you feel free within the Legion to speak this honestly. I am not optimistic for reform, however, because I don't feel confident LCs like you are numerous enough or bold enough to drive a reform process against the current of habitual passivity and groupthink. maybe I'm wrong.

Can I take your comments on the superiors to mean that when asked the question "how can you take orders from these guys?", your answer is "I don't like it and hope not for much longer", is this an accurate view?

I confess i find it hard to respect LCs who stay in the Legion following the orders of the current leadership, because it does seem to reflect an agreement or a solidarity with them. To use a terrible analogy, it would be like working for a company when you know they are dumping toxic waste in the local river. It doesn't matter to me if you're doing a great job, and that you're not dumping the toxic waste, if you know it's happening and you stay there, and you don't try to put a stop to it, you are guilty by association.

Conversation between the Legion and critics can be helpful for the reform process. I hope there will be more of it, and I thank you for coming here. Please come back.
7.18.2012 | 12:50pm
I personally prefer 1000 times to risk being wrong because of trusting the Church’s studied judgment that the Legion of Christ and RC should be purified, not destroyed, than to be so sure that I am right that I have to assert that the Church is wrong in order to be able to defend my judgment. This does NOT mean that I am exempted from the responsibility of deeply discerning what God is asking of me personally and of RC in general or of recognizing where there have been real errors. However, if through a serious discernment I continually feel God calling me to continue in RC and the Church’s judgment is an additional confirmation that such a conclusion is valid, I believe that that is a sufficiently solid basis for deciding to remain, fully aware of all long road that is ahead.
7.19.2012 | 8:33am
Philip says:
Lee - A better analogy would be to work for the clean up crew of that company after it had stopped dumping waste and waiting for the BOD meeting to replace the CEO responsible for the disaster. - It's still a good company. Provides a good service and product. - Just needs new leadership and better policies and procedures going forward.
7.19.2012 | 12:52pm
Lee says:
But Philip, has the company stopped dumping waste? And if it hasn't, can the cleanup crew ever get ahead of the mess? Can they get the stink out of their clothes at the end of the day? Can they ever just say "stop dumping all this darn waste, you're making us all smell bad!"And is the company as a whole (not just some diligent cleanup crew members) really cleaning anything up? Has anyone in the company ever owned up to what it is they're cleaning up exactly? Has the company or the cleanup crew ever done anything for all the people who got sick from the toxic waste? You know, communicated to the people affected by the toxic waste, set up a hospital, hired doctors, treated the cancer? Aside from the dead CEO who was the biggest waste dumper of all, is anyone ever going to be accountable for their role in aiding him, or lying for him? Does the cleanup crew ever have the opportunity to ask why the dumping happened, or why the chief officers of the company lied about the dumping, or why anyone should believe them anymore? And finally, is cleanup of toxic waste the best use of the talents of this cleanup crew?
7.19.2012 | 3:16pm
Philip says:
Lee - Lots of questions. Limited time. But, I'll have a go at it --

The ripple effect of sin, individually and collectively, can never be eradicated completely from the face of the earth. Today's Mass readings are very applicable to the situation at hand. (15th week Ordinary Time Lectionary:392) We suffer here on earth for 3 reasons: (1) our own sins (2) evil done to us by others (3) God's chastisement for cultural corruption.

The LC/RC problems mirror the church at large. And, they will be solved the same way. For the church is not merely mortal, but Divine.

No men could possibly solve such problems on their own. We cannot save ourselves. Nor can we legislate morality. God is the answer to all transformation, change, progress. And, so, as individuals, we must die to our own sins, agendas, selves. We must examine ourselves, and our institutions, through God's eyes and seek the path He has for us. It is difficult and purgative.

Yet, if we do not put up obstacles to His grace, and cooperate with it, then He will work through us to bring forth a new creation. A new life. New sunrise. new beginning.

Today's Gospel may be one of the most beautiful passages ever written:

"Come to me, all you who labor and are burdened, and I will give you rest.
Take my yoke upon you and learn from me,
for I am meek and humble of heart;
and you will find rest for yourselves.
For my yoke is easy, and my burden light."
- Matthew 11:28-30

There is a certain sense of peace when you you are right with God and doing His bidding. That is how I feel with this reform. As do the others who have stayed. The Holy Spirit's presence works miracles and brings about joy in even the most difficult circumstances. It's truly amazing.
7.19.2012 | 5:20pm
Tom says:
Funny, for me and many others it’s the total opposite, and goes something like this:

“There is a certain sense of total revolt of explicit, crass sin, when one tries to be right with God and do His bidding. That is how I feel with this reform. As do many others who left. The Holy Spirit's presence works miracles and brings about joy in even the most difficult circumstances, gives perseverance and courage in the fight against sin, in the name of love of God and others. It's truly amazing.”

For 5 cents (ok, I am not a millionaire, so a poor RC candidate), spot the difference.
7.19.2012 | 5:51pm
Lee says:
Philip, your last comment is a classic example of a Legionary retreat in the face of uncomfortable questions. I can't really argue with a catechism lesson or quoted scripture. Instead, I'll leave it at this: if you can't answer questions in truth and freedom, and yet you claim to feel "peace", you have a long way to go.
7.19.2012 | 8:45pm
Philip says:
Tom, I cannot argue with feelings. However, it does not seem as if you are experiencing "joy in even the most difficult circumstances" as you suggest.

Lee, I answered all ten of your rapid-fire questions to the best of my ability in various comment boxes of this blog. I did so in truth and freedom to the best of my ability. Perhaps you disagreee, however, your claim that I have not made my positions clear is nonsensical.

Additionally, you know nothing of my interior spiritual life. Do you ever have the slightest tinge of regret for hurling accusations, insults, and condemnations on others?
7.19.2012 | 11:07pm
Tom says:
"However, it does not seem as if you are experiencing "joy in even the most difficult circumstances" as you suggest."
-->agree, its not easy, under circumstances, but got to keep trying! Peace man.
7.20.2012 | 1:28am
Philip says:
Tom, I'll pray for you. You, please, pray for me. Deal?
7.20.2012 | 12:32pm
Phillips comments about finding peace remind me of De Paolis' comments about finding serenity...

Yet this is not a journey of personal satisfaction. We all find peace in Christ. Does that mean we should ignore justice? Does that mean Fear of the Lord is secondary?

I don't know how there is peace or serenity when the very men who defended Maciel, persecuted those who claimed abuse by him, lied to Popes, helped him steal millions, all remain in power. And like Phillip they say things like "we search for Peace in Christ" and "we all must carry our cross" etc etc... and they use the GOOD of the Church to cover up the EVIL of the LC.

And there is real, physical evil that was done and continued to remain unaddressed. And I will not stop hammering away at that point until someone explains it to me.

Let's drop the analogies of toxic waste. Analogies are not needed. Let's use real examples: it's like dozens of LC's going to their superiors in shame and fear saying they were raped by MM and then being handed a plane ticket and defamed to the community as "not having a vocation" to the LC. How's that example?

Alvaro and Garza and Sada didn't dump toxic waste. They covered up Maciel's rape of his own seminarians, and until those 3 are called to account for their cover up and inaction, I have no respect for the LC and those who profess loyalty to a corrupt and vile institution that I am ashamed to have been part of.

Maciel is dead- his evil lives on. How that brings peace or serenity to anyone I will never understand. It brings me nausea and rage.
7.20.2012 | 3:01pm
Dear Fr. Thomas Berg and Fr. Thomas Hennigan:

I joined the Legion in 1989, was told to leave because lack o vocation in 2000. Thank you Fr. Berg for this article, of course different opinions will appear. As a former legionary I only hope the best for the legion, yet many obstacles (LC´s) coul delay the renewal of this order. I recall taking Fr. Hennigan to the airport for his "new appoinment" as a dean in Wala Wala (australia) but I was told no to write him, since he was in a period of reflection and bad influence could hurt me. He was a holy priest, excellent teacher a very humble person. It is sad the way the deal with him. To both men I send my respect.
7.20.2012 | 3:35pm
Penance says:
The weak and wicked leadership should at least be told to take time off for some serious penance. Come on, carry the cross like you tell all the seminarians and RC. The only possible reason why these men won't step down (and DePaolis won't cave in) is because 1) they're not men; and 2) the paper trails might highlight the level of corruption in Rome. Things kept in the dark are kept that way for a reason. Are the religious not so religious afterall? Where is the poverty, chastity, and humility? At least stop using that terminology. Stop being hypocrites and at least call it "Unscrupulous riches, sick perversions and unGodly arrogance". At least send these men need on a mission trip to help the needy. These men need to learn what it means to be Christ-like. Do they seem like Christ to you?
7.20.2012 | 6:00pm
Tom says:
Phillip, I appreciate prayers to God, and will do like wise. I agree with 9 lives. How can one be serene, joyful and not care about miscarriage of justice, as you indicated earlier (unless there is more than one Phillip)? I am not a theologian, but I don’t recall that Christ ever said that carrying one’s cross was a happy cake walk. Do you think that LCRC has been just to those hurt? How can one be “serene”, and "full of joy” in LCRC, while not caring at all about those that were hurt in LRCR? To me, that is not regular human behavior, let alone Christian or Catholic.
7.22.2012 | 2:22pm
Robert says:
Dear Father:

Thank you for speaking out. As Paul Lennon put it, yours is a voice of faith and reason. The Legion should have been suppressed long ago. It is greatly to be lamented that Maciel was rehabilitated in the 1950s.

I still get quite angry thinking about Maciel. I never was an LC, but I knew the lives of some of the great religious founders. St. Jeanne Jugan, foundress of the Little Sisters of the Poor, was usurped from office. St. Alphonsus Liguori faced being removed from his own Congregation. The holy founders of the religious institutes suffered greatly. I so wanted to believe that Maciel was being falsely accused.

Then, in 2006, all such illusions I held were definitively shattered and the Holy Father shattered them. I deeply regret defending Maciel.

My heart hurts for the seminarians and priests of the Legion. Not for its superiors, but for the very good and generous men who've sought to follow the gospel of Christ by living out the Evangelical Counsels.

Just penalties will have to be inflicted on the superiors. What those will be is up to the Holy Father, should he choose to inflict them. If this sordid affair doesn't cry out for expiatory penalties, I don't know what would.
8.6.2012 | 8:25pm
Laura says:
I am grieved. I am so saddened. I am amazed at the anger, the confusion. God does not cause confusion. I am not a theologian, nor a philosopher. I cannot argue points nearly as in-depth as all of you. But I can speak of what I know, what I have seen and I can speak of charity. Fr. Berg, I am mostly sad for you. For continuing this tirade against your brothers. Let it go. If you are no longer called to the Legion, than just serve God where you are at. But remember, you are the priest that you are because of your 23 years in the Legion of Christ. I see with all of this...the articles, the comments,etc. so much wasted time. Time that would be much better spent serving God, the church and souls. ALL of the Legionaries I have known have continued to love & support those who have left.

I just simply ask...who were you all following? Why would M's sins, "upended the fundamental understanding of the religious family on which they based their choice to join the congregation in the first place." Sins of the founder do not change the fact that NO ONE should have been a Legionary because of him. They should not have been following a man or basing their vocation on him. They should have been following CHRIST and wanting to serve CHRIST and HIS CHURCH. Maybe those who have been so shaken by this, and cannot understand why anyone could stay in the Legion, should examine this. Were you/are you so wounded because you placed your confidence in something other than God?

Thank God that God works through sinful people. Or he could do nothing through me, a sinner. Look at the bible...look at David, St. Paul and countless others....look at the Holy Catholic Church. GOD will preserve the Legion if it is HIS WILL. All of this only confirms to me that it MUST be God's will...if it was solely reliant on man/men/women, then it would never have survived. Those of you who are spreading calumny and detraction will have to answer before God. You will. But for me, I will pray for and focus on the many, many, many amazing men and HOLY priests who are in the Legion of Christ...those whom I have been privileged to know over the years. I thank God that HE has called so many men and women to serve Him in the Legion and Regnum Christi. Thy Kingdom Come!
8.8.2012 | 1:33pm
Laura, Are you able to identify any points of formation that were taught by the founder that were not the will of God? Points of formation, that became practices, that became part of our methodology that, in turn, was the way we (RC) hurt others?
8.8.2012 | 2:16pm
MariGold says:
Laura: You are obviously a very kind and generous soul, but a breathlessly naive one, too. You know the appearance and what you have been told, but you have not been into the inner workings, the belly of this global beast. The Legionaries of Christ is a cultish, multi-national business empire with level after level of willingly dupped and useful idiots, all in a tax-exempt network that is struggling to recreate itself with new religious candy for trusting children like yourself. Meanwhile, the money keeps rolling in, lives are shredded, vocations are lost, parishes are bled, propaganda is generated, and children are misled and abuses. This is evil. But it is successful and respectable evil. The lies, fraud, and and exploition -- all under a very pretty guise of "happy, happy Potemkin village here in Legion-land -- goes one unchecked and undetected by the Vatican, which has had the doorway of every dicastery greased with bribery and blackmail. Father Berg and others who have the courage to leave and tell the truth are to be praised and strengthened, even as we pray for those who remain enthrlled by the Legion, which looks more and more like a mafia den or Masonic tool than a Catholic movement.
Please. Get. Out.
8.8.2012 | 2:34pm
Cephas says:
Laura, if "God does not cause confusion", but the Legion does...?

"God works through sinful people, but arrogant persons also claim to work in God's name and clearly do not. Even the Bible gives us many examples of false prophets.

"God will preserve the Legion if it is HIS WILL. All of this only confirms to me that it MUST be God's will...if it was solely reliant on man/men/women, then it would never have survived."
Many things in history have survived for a short time that are clear NOT good for people. Pelagianism prospered for a time within the Church. Today we see Islam continuing to grow and prosper. What's the difference that makes the Legion so much better just for surviving?

You admonish Fr. Berg to silence. Yet silence always favors the aggressor, and continues to the attack on the victim (as Pope Benedict states much more eloquently in Light of the World). If there is no problem, let us discuss the issues frankly, without encouraging those who have been injured to silence. If he has spoken a falsehood, let's state so. If he has spoken a truth, we need to affirm it. But if he's still hurting, there's a reason, and the least we can do is listen and share in his suffering.
8.9.2012 | 6:49am
Diaspora says:
Laura, do a little research and find out from different ex legionaries how much support they have received from their former superiors or other legionaries. Then you can share it with us. I'll give you a hand with your task: I'm still in but out, and have received zero.
8.9.2012 | 1:56pm
JD says:
In response to Laura:
1. "For continuing this tirade against your brothers" What tirade? Such hyperbole. Father Thomas Berg was extremely balanced in his comments. Perhaps you could indicate specifically the points where you disagree with him?

2. How do you know he is the priest he is because of his 23 years in the Legion? How arrogant of you to claim such knowledge. Did you witness his childhood, his upbringing, or the personal holiness he brought to his priesthood? Which unique gifts specifically did the Legion contribute to Father Thomas Berg that are not part of the Universal Church and available to any priest inside or outside the Legion?

3. "All of the legionaries I have known have continued to love and support those that left". Again, how arrogant and omniscient of you to know what every Legionary has done. Personally, I was dropped like a bag of trash when I left. The Legionaries I know who have left have had no contact, nor support from their so-called brothers. How many ex-LCs are you actually in contact with that you can even comment?

4. The reason Maciel’s sins would "upend the fundamental understanding of the religious family they chose to join” - my answer is how could it not? Think about it and be honest. A young man discerning the priesthood would think twice about joining a congregation whose founder was a serial sexual abuser with multiple children from two or three different women. He would likely take his vocation elsewhere. It is at least fair to think he'd like the option of knowing!

5. I believe most or all Legionaries went in with the desire to follow Christ, to serve Christ. Does this mean they should be indifferent to the acts of the founder, or the suffering of his victims, or the deception and cover-up perpetrated by their superiors? We now know the superiors knew many sick truths about the founder years ago (Garza, Corcuera have admitted as much) yet they chose to continue to treat Maciel as a saint, even past his death. You may be fine with being lied to, but many of us expect better of priests.

6. "God will preserve the Legion if it is his will? This is a very childish theology. Using your logic, many other groups could make the same claim. God must be preserving Scientologists, Al Qaeda, Mormons, Jehovah's Witnesses, white supremacists, Muslims, etc. God grants free will, so he will never force a reform onto the Legion. God did not stop the enterprise when Maciel was at the helm, do you think it was His will for Maciel to continue, to be free to father children and abuse his own sons?

7. Maybe you’re right, many of us will have to answer to God for our rage and judgment of what we see as a blight on the Church, maybe what we see as righteous anger is wrong. But you too, my friend, will have some things to answer for too. Because if you stand with the Legion and Regnum, and don't exhort your fellow members to address the victims of Maciel, or change the ways of your movement that has done much damage to souls and to the Church, then you have done too little for the least of these. Mind the log in your own eye.
8.9.2012 | 8:47pm
Reform says:
Laura: use your head, girl. Use the gifts God gave you and question everything that is unjust. It's not about being perfect, it's about being kind, and they were unkind to so many. I'm not even referring to their founder but to many who followed in his footsteps. Thank goodness they are being reformed and are finally learning to care about the person instead of the corporation. Their methodologies are flawed and the testimonials I have read (you need to read) have been about badmouthing those who question their methodology. You are in a cult and don't even know it!
8.10.2012 | 2:12am
Dilbert says:
I liked Fr. Berg's comment about family members encouraging their loved ones to remove themselves from their LC (or RC) environment and carefully discern God’s will for their lives.
I tried to urge my 3gf daughter to take a year away because I am absolutely certain that she was manipulated into making a decision for Maciel (after only five months) based on deceitful assumptions and since then has been held there by the same mind control tactics any other cult group uses. I believe that spiritual direction was used as a weapon to keep her enslaved as well as fear and guilt.
In summary:
People good, founder bad, structure bad, cult methodology exceedingly bad. Charism non existent. Current LC leaders bad. Corrupt Church leaders that have infiltrated the Vatican and shared the Legion wealth bad.
8.10.2012 | 11:26am
Mary says:
I'm thinking about the thousands of Nazi war criminals who entered Argentina AFTER WWII. These criminals were baptized and given a new name. Under the Red Cross stamp and protection from Rome, they entered the country free men. Many of the same Nazi methods were also used in Argentina to suppress, torture and kill her people. Evil men do not suddenly change. A few corrupt cardinals were able to influence the culture of an entire country. The corrupt leaders of the Legion of Christ will continue to destroy their chances at reform and the corrupt leaders in Rome will facilitate their way. But put on your blinders - as long as you are happy, no one else matters.
8.10.2012 | 11:59am
Aaron says:
Laura, a serious malforation recevied from the legion of christ is that of disallowing criticism.

The legion makes us think that criticism is sinful, that it is anger, that it is a very negative hurtful thing that must be avoided at all costs.

That is not so. Anger can use criticism to hurt, but that does not make criticism evil.

Criticism is very important for our protection. Without it we are vulnerable. Criticism can be unemotional and objective. The Legion only sees criticism as subjective. This is very immature and adolescent.

I hope that we are all able to shrug off somehow this terrible formation surrounding criticism, that we no longer confuse criticism with aggression or hate.

Perhaps we could consider how these malformations regarding criticism was a useful tool for maciel to attack his victims and protect himself - it gave him an institutionalised carte blanche.

I would also like to hear ANYONE tell me a single good that the Legion does. People argue: they are so good! look at the fruits! but I don't see any good, I dont see any fruits, I see a lot of people repeating what they were taught by the smiley priest.
8.10.2012 | 12:42pm
I rarely find models in our sadly secularized society that I judge worthy of imitation by the Church, but I think that the handling of the Penn State scandal by both civil and NCAA authorities, by it's stark contrast with the non-handling of the LC's ongoing debacle, makes for a suggestive and sobering comparison. Very briefly:

1. Presumably untouchable leadership figures were removed. Some of them now face criminal charges on an individual basis.

2. An independent audit was conducted of the program and the charities involved, in keeping with the infallible rule: "follow the money and you'll get the whole story".

3. Financial penalties to the tune of $60M are to be paid to an independently administrated fund to benefit abuse victims over a period of five years.

4. Scholarship and recruiting limitations are imposed on the program for the duration of the clean-up.

The Penn State scandal began with the crimes of one man, a larger-than-life figure in the university. The entire program was implicated for what was called 'institutional negligence'. A college football program that was considered 'too big to fail' was radically sanctioned in order to definitively clean house, honor the victims and prevent future scandals. All of this was done in relatively short order.

Nothing remotely similar has yet taken place during the dubious process of renovation and reform of the LC. The leadership (hand picked by Maciel himself) is still intact, altough there has been some negligible reshuffling of the furniture. There has been no sign of the promised audit of the LC's finances (follow the money!). Instead, Fr. Luis Garza has been given time and space to sweep all the dirt under the rug. No compensation and precious little recognition has been given the victims of the multiform abuse of Maciel and the institution he spawned. Recruiting, while more difficult under the shadow of the scandal, has continued unabated with incredibly clueless young men being pushed through the system and ordained in a religious order whose future and legitimacy are gravely suspect.

Not since the Borgias sullied the marble corridors of the Vatican has such scandal and shame been brought upon the Church by a 'family' so intimately connected to its inner workings.

Might not some inspiration be taken from the Penn State case by those who would truly see the LC disaster finally put right?

There are those who think that the future General Chapter of the Legion will initiate real change and transparency. I can only assume, based on past performances, that the results of the Chapter have already been scripted and prefabricated. The participants will have no unchoreographed roles nor be allowed any unwanted input. The package is signed and sealed, waiting merely to be delivered and applauded.
8.10.2012 | 11:42pm
Eccomiqua says:
Well phrased by non ce' la faccio piu.....
9.3.2012 | 3:14pm
Lest anyone still harbor delusions as to the Machiavellian underpinnings of the LC power structure and the hallucinatory charade of auto-reformation left by the Vatican in the scandal stained hands of Maciel’s minions, consider the most recent hierarchical hypocrisy being played out for all to see:

Rev. Pablo Pérez Guajardo, ordained an LC priest in 1991, has been removed from priestly ministry and denied all recourse in the Prelature of Quintana Roo, Mexico, where he has labored tirelessly as pastor and social advocate of some of the poorest indigenous communities of the LC mission territory for over 15 years. Padre Pablo’s crime? Speaking out truthfully and courageously about the nightmarish legacy of Fr. Maciel and the frustrating farse of the LC’s phantom reform to anyone who would listen… and to more than a few who wouldn’t.

The only glimpse of the rationale behind the heavy-handed sanctions so gratuitously deposited on Fr. Pablo’s slight but steadfast shoulders appears in a carefully choreographed exchange of letters between Rodolfo Mayagoitia, LC (LC superior) and Mons. Pedro Pablo Elizondo, LC (bishop of the Prelature). Fr. Pablo was never received personally by the bishop regarding his elimination, despite his request for an interview. Elizondo disingenuously cites CDC n.682 to justify this travesty, accusing Padre Pablo of ‘upsetting the ecclesial harmony of the Prelature’. He is ominously advised in a post script to adhere to his punishment or suffer the full force of a Canonical clobbering.

(For the ‘full story’, such as it is at present, check out: http://contrastenoticias.files.wordpress.com/2012/08/padre-pablo-001.jpg)

Compare this, if you will, with the LC’s non-handling of the Thomas Williams affair.

The TW debacle is a bona fide, old-school scandal in the painful but historically repeated infamy of clergy incapable of honoring its fundamental commitment to priestly celibacy and human decency. For over seven years, the LC not only covered up TW’s licentious and overtly un-Canonical behavior – Maciel knew about it, Corcuera knew about it, other LCs in Rome knew about it – but it honored him with a prestigious position in the Atheneum (professor of moral theology!!!) and made him a shining star on the LC global conference/TV/publishing circuit. Only when confronted this year by the imminent release of the story by the AP did the LC gently escort him home to ‘reflect on his situation’. No sanctions, no removal of faculties, no Canonical threats or ecclesiastical execution. No expression of the slightest concern for the woman and child or children he sired. Nothing but a few incomprehensible babblings by an inept Superior General in the way of a vague and pathetic ‘apology’.

The ‘scandal’ which so horrifies the LC in Fr. Pablo Pérez’ case is the telling of an inconvenient and bothersome truth. For that, he has received the equivalent of a Canonical beat-down. He has been publicly chastised and put out to pasture having done no wrong. He got under the PTB’s skin and they felt they could afford to bully and ‘make an example’ of him to discourage other honorable LC dissidents. After all, Padre Pablo is neither a staple on MSNBC nor an author of books on how to tell right from wrong. He is simply a good and decent priest who could not turn a blind eye and sincerely thought that speaking the truth might actually make a positive difference in the Legion of Christ.

The nerve of the guy.
9.9.2012 | 11:18pm
Glynn says:
The "scandal of stalled reform" is not a scandal unique to the Legion of Christ…it is not stalled reform simply because the repeatedly disobedient Fr Williams was not removed from public ministry. The Congregation of the Holy Cross, of pontifical rite since 1857, has developed 8 constitutions over time depending on what part of the world its 1500 man order operates, and it also has around 150 cases of abuse charges which they did NOT report to authorities for years and years. When it became pontifical, part of the deal was that its branch of sisters became a separate congregation.

Criticism of the Church on matters of the abuse crisis BECOMES sinful, at a minimum, when it causes a person to be suspicious of the Catholic Church, and when it causes a person to leave the Catholic Church.

This blog shows a sad state of those who are obsessed, absolutely obsessed with something …. they left but they suffer…why? Aren't you reading spiritual books and continuing your prayer life? Don't you socialize and think about other things? Can;t you forgive. A healthy person forgives and does not look for these opportunities to vent.

The Legion of Christ can refound and rename itself, and it can look to St Ignatius of Loyola as a patron and likely also St Paul. In order for the LC to get new leadership, they need to have their general assembly called, and that has not happened yet.

The Church DOES need the LC and all Catholic Institutions. We do not say Cardinal DePaolis' order should be disbanded because there are no more Italian immigrants in large numbers to serve. No one has called for the Congregation of the Holy Cross to be disbanded because of its 150 abuse cases, and due to it inviting Obama to speak at the commencement at Notre Dame.

As far as Rev. Pablo Pérez Guajardo, he needs to explain himself what happened. Bishops on dioceses can punish their priests severely for speaking truths that the bishop does not want spoken about. They are held to secrecy, etc. Now…I know what you will do…you will say "oh not like the LC do!"

The Penn State affair widely and severely punishes people who had nothing to do with the abuses. Punish those who specifically did the crimes, not innocent people. I agree with some of the punishments, but not with other aspects and I do not think it is a model….it may be a lawyer's model…but $$$$$ is the driver there. Does not mean it is right.

As far as admonishing Fr Berg as the aggressor, he is the aggressor…he wrote the article. I did not think he was balanced in writing it because he said the Church does not need the LC, and I do not agree. We DO need Catholic Institutions. It often seems like other people. like the ones on this blog, go AT them…do you all know that counseling is available?

Laura… you do NOT need to get out. You do not know who these people are. You are right, follow Christ…HE leads.
9.24.2012 | 5:45pm
Theresa says:
The laws in Mexico regarding child abuse have not been modernized, and rape and child abuse laws are very different and far less stringent from those in the United States. If you are expecting a Philadelphia like out come regarding child endangerment charges, you may not get it, especially since some of these crimes happened as early as the 1940's. It would be nice, but the laws there are simply not to U.S. standards.

The general assembly should be between 2013 and 2015 for the order.
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