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How Do We Respond to ‘So What?’

Flannery O’ Connor told a friend, “I write because I don’t know what I think until I read what I say,” and it is the same for me. Last week saw me bed-bound, dealing with a bug that left me more addle-brained than usual, and in perusing my phone and tablet, I kept coming across the most interesting stories to ponder on my bed. Unable to sit up and write, though, I could not know what I thought.

I recalled G. K. Chesterton’s fantasy of lying in bed with a colored pencil suitable for ceiling-writing, and wished for a low ceiling and one of those big, soft-leaded pencils we were given in kindergarten—the kind that helped us learn to control our letters and, perhaps, our subsequent thoughts and words—so that I might corral my reason around one theme that kept popping up in my surveys. Each time I encountered the statement, or a variation upon it, its glare seemed so obvious to me: “yes, this is the next approach, the next challenge . . .” And yet–like a dream one cannot quite catch upon waking–the fully-developed idea would evaporate before I could get a hand on its misty tail.

The repeated thesis was simply this: “so what?”

Such a disarming question; the sort of question society has long-regarded as adolescent, arrogant, disdainful, and yes, more than a little snotty. It is a question that conveys a dare in its follow-up, whether spoken or not: “Just what are you going to do about it?

In a three day period, I encountered three variations of this oddly innovative argument. Testifying on the deadly attack on our consulate in Benghazi, Secretary of State Hillary Clinton deployed it against a U.S. Senate Committee in order to divert attention from the single hardball thrown her way. Asked why the administration spent a week blaming American deaths on a little-seen video and reports of a “spontaneous protest”, when the true circumstances could have been known “within hours.” Clinton blared, “What difference at this point does it make?”

So, what? So what if, during an election season, we told the nation an untruth for an entire week, when we could have just queried thirty consulate evacuees and gotten our facts straight in a day? So what if we have been touting our defanging of Al Qaeda while blurring over the fact that Al Qaeda was connected to the attack? So what?

Just what are you going to do about it? The next day, Salon.com featured a piece by Mary Elizabeth Williams–in which she makes a pro-abortion argument while emphatically affirming her belief that a fetus is a living human being—with a stunning trumpet of a headline: “So What if Abortion Ends Life?”


I know women who have been relieved at their abortions and grieved over their miscarriages. Why can’t we agree that how they felt about their pregnancies was vastly different, but that it’s pretty silly to pretend that what was growing inside of them wasn’t the same?

So, fetuses are human beings. But, so what? “All life is not equal,” Williams chillingly asserts, and a baby-in-utero, fully human and alive is, in her words, “a life worth sacrificing.”

Time’s recent concession that the pro-abortion movement has lost ground since its heady victory of 1973, has forced its adherents to finally admit that they’ve been lying to themselves, and to the world, for forty years: that the “thing” they’re so keen on killing is a real, whole, and living person, whether wanted or not. All it can fall back on is “so what?”

A day after William’s piece, Derek Penwell hauled out the same question for the Huffington Post, with the headline: “‘So What?’ The Nightmare Christians Should Be Having.” Penwell begins by relating a recurrent nightmare in which he presents a paper, which is received by another with a shrugging, “so what?”


Panicked, I would stammer, “What do you mean, ‘So what?’”

His story illustrates that “so what” is a superb tactic for throwing one off one’s own game. It differs from “convince me”, which at least invites discussion, in that it is openly dismissive and contemptuous. In our society “so what” is so unexpected (and until now has been perceived as so unthinkably rude) that one is rarely prepared to answer it. On my bleary bed, I pondered why it might be that suddenly, “so what” kept showing up. Identical attitudes thrown about on two successive days might be a coincidence, but thrust-thrice, and from the same ideological corner, it seemed like a theme, to me; a detour sign, laying out new track for our already disoriented national discourse.

The 2012 presidential campaign saw some muted discussion of Barack Obama’s “progressive” Christianity, and in social media 2012 campaign a few progressive Christians could be seen talking to each other about “taking Christianity back” from the “moronic” Christians on the right; a few billboards displayed apologies by progressive Christians for the thinking of those other, hateful, Christians. Penwell’s piece is, I think, a friendly shot across the bow to “conservative” Christians; a warning to get with a more progressive program—stop the socio-politically incorrect moralizing about abortion, divorce, gay marriage, and the rest of it, and start serving the hungry, the naked, and the displaced—or be ready to hear “so what,” from the religious “nones” they hope to evangelize:


What if part of the reason the “Nones” are so underwhelmed by organized religion isn’t because they don’t find Jesus interesting, but because it appears to them that Christians don’t find him sufficiently interesting enough to take seriously?

In truth, we know that Christianity rightly lived is not an “either/or” proposition, but a “both/and”; a fullness that demands a constant balance between justice and mercy; a “judge ye not,” joined to “go and sin no more.”

Still, ponder “so what” on your bed; and write the truth on your heart. Be ready to make your response with your very life, and how you live it.

Elizabeth Scalia is the Managing Editor of the Catholic Portal at Patheos and blogs as The Anchoress. Her previous articles for "On the Square" can be found here.

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Comments:

1.29.2013 | 8:26am
pdn Michael says:
Well said, Elizabeth. Each year the "progressive" commentariat issues a collective but silent "so what" when they generally, but determinedly, ignore the several hundred thousand who march up Constitution Avenue against the Roe v. Wade decision and its resulting devastation. One gets the feeling, with quotes like the one from Williams, that this has been the true sentiment all along; that is, Williams and her ilk knew all along that abortion was the killing of a human being, and decided on "so what" ages ago.
1.29.2013 | 8:50am
JERD says:
I think Penwell's point is being missed.

He is making the case that effective evangelization first requires "joy." "Ethics" comes later.

The Nones respond "So what?" to religious overtures because they first see religion as an unreasonable ethic - a set of rules that at first blush appear arbitrary. What they need to see first - and experience - is the joy we Christians have in loving our neighbor. When the joy of seeing Christ in others is experienced, the ethics will come soon enough.
1.29.2013 | 9:30am
Beautiful post Elizabeth. The "so what" mentality is a large part of the assault against traditional morals, and is used (adolescently) to deflect guilt away by not acknowledging that there is any guilt to be felt. I spoke a little bit about Mary Elizabeth's Salon article on my own blog (if interested: http://wp.me/p2UBJE-4B)
1.29.2013 | 10:23am
Nancy D. says:
Only this time, for those who profess to be followers of Christ, how can Christ say to His Father, "Father, forgive them, they do not know what they are doing", when The Word Became Flesh, and Dwelt among us?
1.29.2013 | 11:04am
Richard A says:
JERD:

I am heartily sick of hearing that Christianity is ignored because Christians have no joy. All that means is the the observer hasn't met any real Christians, or that he's chosen to believe that the joyless Christians are the examplars.

Fortunately, Penwell isn't making that point anyway. He writes:
"Do they help us care for the poor, feed the hungry, clothe the naked or welcome the outcast? Or do these beliefs merely represent a golden barrier that offer protection against blame?"

Penwell knows nothing of Christians or Christian history if he can ask that question with a straight face and assume the answer is "No".

Wilfull ignorance. "So what" is the face of wilfull ignorance.
1.29.2013 | 11:07am
anon says:
JERD,

Joy is not happiness. Joy is doing God's will and that includes following the moral law. The problem is not simply not seeing joy. The problem is seared consciences.
1.29.2013 | 11:44am
Ray Ryan says:
Mrs. Clinton, not known for dodging much of anything, was right on the money. Idealogical fanatics like the author of this blog don't care much for Mrs. Clinton, and target her early as the logical Presidential choice for the Democrat Party in 2016. She did not say "so what", she did not intend "so what", and sadly, the misguided author of this blog knows this well. With Scalia's cavilling, she raises the temperature, but not the reasoned thinking of her comments. Sorry to see this cheap shot approach on a Catholic blog.
1.29.2013 | 12:08pm
Mr. Patton says:
Ray Ryan, this isn't so much a Catholic blog as it is a politically conservative one...:)
1.29.2013 | 12:23pm
JERD says:
My point about joy preceding ethics is better set forth by Father Barron here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfpdpvZPwrg
1.29.2013 | 12:31pm
Richard says:
This author often brings up worldly issues only to ultimately veer away and focus on the fundamentals of living a good life. I wish more bishops would do the same.

I too found the comments in Salon interesting. I am one of those that is against abortion but don't see it as so much of a black and white issue as many here. And among the most interesting events in recent times pointing up the difficulty of the subject is a recent lawsuit in Colorado and the three Colorado bishops' response to the suit. The suit was actually brought a few years ago. A young woman, seven months pregnant with twins, came to a hospital in great distress. The hospital was a Catholic hospital. The doctor on duty arrived late to the hospital and the woman died. In addition the professionals didn't make any effort at a caesarian which might have saved the twins. So the husband and his remaining child filed a wrongful death suit against the archdiocese which included the deaths of both the mother and the unborn twins. The archdiocese through its attorneys argued the mother's death was inevitable and the twins were not "persons" under Colorado law and there should be no compensation for their demise under the law. The court agreed and dismissed the suit. The case is now on appeal but the case involving the unborn children is pretty much dead because Colorado law is clear on the subject. Now a few years later the case is being publicized because of the evident hypocrisy of the Catholic bishops teaching one doctrine and abandoning it when it comes to money. Now since the case is getting the publicity the bishops are trying to suggest that they didn't realize the official legal stance in the case and that they were going to review the situation in light of this information. HOGWASH!! They are the clients and had to have known what their attorneys were arguing. Either that or they are incompetent. Just another major case demonstrating the difficulty of this subject suggesting people should back off their judgmental high horse.
1.29.2013 | 12:54pm
JERD says:
Additionally on my point of joy preceding ethics: If the Nones see me committing my time, talent or treasure, (joyfully) to help support a mother who chose life rather than abortion, isn't it more likely they will be convinced that my condemnation of abortion (the ethic) is Christlike? If I do otherwise; if I merely spout a condemnation of abortion (the ethic), am I not but an empty "clanging cymbal?"
1.29.2013 | 1:00pm
Richard A says:
JERD:

Fine point about joy. But, you said it was Penwell's (So What, the Nightmare Christians Should be Having) point, and that wasn't Penwell's point. Penwell's point was that being a Christian doesn't lead to doing anything worthy. He is manifestly wrong. I would say he's demonstrably wrong, except the evidence is manifest before him and it doesn't demonstrate his wrongness to him.
1.29.2013 | 1:07pm
Nancy D. says:
"HOGWASH!!"
Not when you consider the fact that a Catholic respects the inherent personal and relational Dignity of human persons and thus would never deny the self-evident truth that a human person can only conceive a human person, and thus a human embryo, being a son or daughter of a human person, can only be a human person. Let us not forget that there are many who profess to be Catholic while denying the personal and relational essence of the human person, created in The Image and Likeness of God, and are thus not in communion with The Catholic Church to begin with. I would suggest the appeal go forward with the understanding that Roe is not settled, binding precedent, and since Roe states that if personhood can be established for the fetus, (which it now can be through DNA) then Roe goes away and the son(s) or daughter(s) residing in their Mother's womb receive full protection under The Fourteenth Amendment which is binding in State and Federal Law.
1.29.2013 | 2:52pm
JERD says:
Richard A:

Here is Penwell's thesis:

"Christians can't just believe stuff. People want an answer to the question: "So what?" They want to know what turns on these much-discussed beliefs, what difference these beliefs make in our lives."

In other words: First comes the joyful witness in action. When the Nones see that joyful witness they don't ask "So, what?" Instead they ask, "where do I get some of that!" When the Nones ask that question, then you introduce the ethic.
1.29.2013 | 3:47pm
Peter says:
Read the Salon article, and contrast it with any First Things article. Such a difference in tone, full of petulance and crudity - someone who confuses squalor with strength, as Tolkein would have said. Nobody could write or talk in such a way without a correspondingly ugly spirit.
1.29.2013 | 3:49pm
Well done, Elizabeth! "When referring to killing, dying, or simply death, the comment “So what?” borders blasphemy, since it could also be applied to the Crucifixion of Jesus. To devalue life – human or not - to the point of asking “So what?” destroys the foundation of our civilization and of our Nation. “So what?” someone may insist: if you have no answer, prepare yourself accordingly. Gonzalo T. Palacios, Ph.D.
1.29.2013 | 4:23pm
Richard M says:
Hello Elizabeth,

"...a warning to get with a more progressive program—stop the socio-politically incorrect moralizing about abortion, divorce, gay marriage, and the rest of it, and start serving the hungry, the naked, and the displaced—or be ready to hear “so what,” from the religious “nones” they hope to evangelize."

I find Penwell's argument frustrating because it too easily gets him to the destination he already favors: more (happy) social justice Christianity, less moralizing and dogma.

There's no question that, as Aristotle observed, humans seek to be *happy*, and this is precisely what has made Christianity - at its best - appealing to billions over the last two centuries. But happiness is more than a smile. It's more than the satisfaction of doing good works.

Christian churches worried about the apparent drift away from institutional Christianity by Millennials are often too eager to latch on to evidence that these young people are "turned off" by traditional moral strictures. Certainly a dour or hateful presentation and posture are not helpful. But the alienation of this generation goes well beyond these concerns. As Harvard political scientist Robert Putnam has noted recently, the larger problem is that this generation does not include nearly as many "joiners." As he notes, it's a "distancing of this younger generation from community institutions and from institutions in general, actually. That’s the same pattern, actually, that we find in politics. These are the very same people who increasingly describe themselves as independents rather than Republicans or Democrats. And those are the same people also who are not joining the Elks Club or the Rotary Club or whatever."

And that, I think helps explain why even the most liberal, works-oriented, "non-judgmental" denominations, like the Unitarians, Church of Christ, Episcopalians, are in even steeper decline, and drawing negligible numbers of young people. If Penwell is right, they ought to be doing quite well - but it's just the opposite. Even if many young people might agree with their stances, and laud some of their works, they seem to be saying "So what?" It's an atomized generation, one that feels alienated from *any* institutions or groups.

So I think it's fool's gold for churches to think that mere "joy" and loads of social work combined with abandonment or neutering of traditional moral codes is going to turn the key to this lock. A lot of them simply aren't going to be very reachable. And by giving up their expectations of behavior and emphasis on the transcendent, they'll be giving up that which gives them life.
1.29.2013 | 4:39pm
Scalia may be exactly right concerning the recent usages of the trope "So what?" when it comes to America's conversation on Abortion, but what about other conversations?

I find myself saying "So What?" after coming across a sports score equally as often as as national political news. The trope in its entirety is: "So what?--what and how does anything about this topic changing anything in my day to day life?--how does anything Hillary Clinton every said affect the food on my table? How does an elaborate hoax pulled on some Samoan at Notre Dame affect the lack of change in my pocket?
1.29.2013 | 5:31pm
victor says:
When I was 6-years-old I learned the definitive answer to this question which is appropriate to the spirit of the query: "So what? THAT'S what, chicken butt."
1.29.2013 | 6:21pm
Patrick says:
I'm not sure if this is oversimplification or profundity, but it occurs to me that the obvious response to "So what?" echoes Jesus' own words: "Come and see."

I hear an implied "what" at the end of John 1:39.
1.29.2013 | 7:56pm
yan says:
The Salon article argument for abortion on demand boils down to this: life is hard sometimes, therefore killing a baby is ok.

Catholic teaching on legal killing has evolved so it is thought to be desirable to extend mercy not only to the innocent, but even to the guilty whenever possible. In contrast, when it comes to abortion, the argument in favor has evolved in a direction which is the polar opposite of the Catholic argument. In the thinking of some, not only is killing bad people a good and desirable thing, even killing innocents can be a good and desirable thing if it serves an important societal interest.

That is, we feel justified to look more and more to killing to solve our problems.

Well, that looks like a culture of death to me, all right. It is a culture where the pursuit of a rational and complete enjoyment of life demands legal protection for killing innocents which will foreseeably interfere with the rational and complete enjoyment of life, health, safety. [The fact that pregnancy may be--and under many circumstances is--dangerous to a woman, is the truth which makes this debate intractable.] There is no room for the 'other' even in the womb, when he is in my way.

'She gave birth to her first born Son, wrapped Him in swaddling clothes, and laid Him in a manger, because there was no room for them in the inn.'
1.29.2013 | 10:21pm
Sgt. Death says:
"So What?" is a comment made by those who think they have the throne and the guns in their favor. The poor and enslaved don't make this comment to someone who they perceive can kill them with the OK of the king.
Prof. Palacios is right in his analysis that when a culture gets to this kind of discourse, it is on the precipice of rapid decline and destruction (who would defend such a self-centered culture? SEE: Decline and Fall of the Roman Empire)
Ray Ryan's comments seem to be informed by the "might makes right" and "political power flows from the barrel of a gun" school. Comrade Clinton, IMHO, should be brought up on charges of dereliction of duty. All the reports I've read indicate American troops could have been on the ground at the compound where Ambassidor Stevens was in time to prevent their deaths. It sure looks like Comrade Clinton's loyal retinue deep sixed the cries for help until it was too late. Why? What is being hidden?
What should Catholics do? Collect what is worth saving, and run for the hills. This looks to be another Sodom and Gomorrah moment. Run, and don't look back......
1.29.2013 | 11:02pm
Gian says:
'So what' signals the end of Politics and the beginning of Revolution.
1.29.2013 | 11:04pm
Mary says:
The correct reply to Clinton is "if it's so unimportant, why did the White House lie about it?"
1.29.2013 | 11:30pm
Peg says:
Frankly, I thought Hillary Clinton's "what difference does it make?" was political strategy. I knew she would not answer the question, although I didn't know (and increasingly no longer care) how she would slink out of it. The decision was to avoid the defensive position she'd earned, and instead come out swinging on the offense. She was well-rehearsed and her claque enjoyed the performance.

Mary Elizabeth Williams' attitude towards abortion reveals the thinking of a sociopath. It is well to ask how we answer such a person.
1.29.2013 | 11:46pm
Don Roberto says:
He (or she, e.g., Hillary) who says "so what" in circumstances as serious as abortion is saying in effect "I know it's wrong but I don't care," daring God to respond with justice. And the question is only complex if one makes it so. (And if two thousand years of running hospitals and orphanages—of priestly celibacy, of martyrdom—isn't enough evidence of Christian joy, nothing will be.) Thousands of unique, never-to-be-repeated humans, made by God (not at random) are destroyed each day by their own mothers and fathers, almost always (in this wealthy country) to avoid an inconvenience, e.g., postponing graduation or putting the payment of the cable bill in jeopardy. These are pearls of great price given to and rejected by those who themselves received the gift of life by their own free choice. So what? God's wrath is a reasonable answer.

And the sin is far greater for those who teach that evil is good (i.e., our "progressive" leaders, e.g. Hillary, who sat silent with Gore and Bill when Mother Teresa brought the tragedy of abortion to their attention at the 1994 National Prayer Breakfast).
1.30.2013 | 7:24am
Jacob says:
The weakness (not meekness) and timidity of most the people who have occupied positions of power in the Church like it's the government are most certainly our biggest stumbling block.

The wisdom among old Christians is to attack and destroy any passionate young Christian who might defend the faith so they can please their secularist friends. Looking cool among them is more important than all that superstition about Jesus (which is just a part of their cultural milieu anyway: Madonna got the Jewish thing, Julia is doing Hindu and Jobs did Buddhist, some of us just do Catholic)!


I can't imagine the joy I would feel if I lived in a time or a place with a dynamic group of Christians to really affect a change towards God's word in the world.

Instead I have to hear adolescent minded aging Catholics give me a never ending seminar on how just shutting up and not actually defending the Church is the real adult, Christian thing to do..
1.30.2013 | 10:43am
"She did not say "so what", she did not intend "so what", and sadly, the misguided author of this blog knows this well."

She said, "What difference does it make?", a phrase often used in conjunction with "So what?" to indicate that something is unimportant. In the case of Clinton's testimony, her claim that it didn't matter whether the deaths of four Americans were the result of a spontaneous protest or "four guys out for a walk" can only properly be described as idiotic. Note also that she was careful to avoid mentioning in her examples of a possible cause what the attack really was--a coordinated terrorist attack on the anniversary of 9/11.
1.30.2013 | 12:02pm
VLL says:
Why not use "so what"? It was such a devastating argument in high school against parents. It's a purely natural place to go when you are flustered and your back is against the wall, and you just don't want to deal with it any more. It's not like they have morality or a set definition of truth to refute the argument. Even sophistry gets exhausting after a while, the poor dears.

It is also the words of someone in charge. Kind of like "let them eat crust [cake],"... For all that they enjoyed fighting the power, they love even more to wield it, and completely fail to see the disconnect in their own set of strictures.
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