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Benedict Face to Face with Islam

In 1095, in a carefully crafted speech before prelates and nobles in Claremont, France, Pope Urban II called Europe to action: A Crusade to aid the Christian empire of Byzantium. Emissaries of the emperor in Constantinople had come to Urban to ask for aid against the advancing Muslim Turks, who were mistreating conquered Christians, desecrating shrines, and pressing on toward Constantinople. The response was sensational and spread immediately across Europe. Knights, clerics, and peasants all heeded the call and marched to the East—toward Byzantium, Antioch, and Jerusalem.


In July 1099, four years after Urban’s call to Crusade, Jerusalem fell to the Crusaders. It was a triumph marred by unspeakable violence. The Muslim and Jewish inhabitants of the city were slaughtered, almost to a man. The chronicler Fulcher of Chartres wrote of wading through ankle-deep blood. These horrors would haunt not only the Crusaders but Muslim-Christian relations for a thousand years.


Around this time, a less well-known, though no less significant, event took place.


Late in the eleventh century, after much reflection, the Muslim philosopher Abu Hamid al-Ghazali completed The Incoherence of the Philosophers. It may have been the most influential book in all of Islam after the Qur’an. Islam had initially encountered Greek thought with an open mind in what was known as Islam’s Golden Age. This period saw the great philosopher Avicenna reconcile Aristotle with Islamic revelation, as Aquinas would later do with Christianity. Ghazali rejected this synthesis of faith and reason, concluding that causation and free will were illusory, as God’s direct intervention was the source of each cause and each motion. Reason itself was but a human construct, its parameters insufficient to contain God’s will—will that could contradict itself in defiance of human comprehension.


Ghazali’s work was the epitaph of Islam’s encounter with Greek philosophy, of hellenized Islam, and of Sunni Islam’s experiment with faith and reason. As Ghazali’s movement to dehellenize—that is, to root out all rational analysis, all philosophy, all reason—gained ascendancy in the Muslim world, the interreligious, intellectual, and cultural engagement that had characterized the era of medieval philosophy drew to a close. It may well be argued that the Muslim world has been in decline since.


The twelfth-century Muslim philosopher Averroes attempted to refute Ghazali and to rehellenize Muslim scholarship and culture. He failed. Averroes was banished, his books were burned, and the teaching of philosophy prohibited—so complete was Ghazali’s triumph. With his banishment ended the last meaningful philosophical dialogue between the Muslim world and the West.


In 2006, a millennium after Urban’s call for a Crusade, Pope Benedict XVI gave a lecture at the University of Regensburg in Germany, to address the crisis of reason in the West. The influence enjoyed by the papacy had diminished significantly in the intervening thousand years; no longer would rulers stand in the snow to beg forgiveness. If not a “prisoner of the Vatican,” the pope now saw his ambit limited by a public culture that was increasingly secularized and hostile. The Vatican could scarcely rein in Catholic academics, let alone shape the ideas of greater academia. Philosophy had been declared dead in the West by materialist thinkers as it had been centuries before by the fundamentalist Ghazali. It was precisely the West’s break with reason—its dehellenization—on which Benedict focused his remarks.


The vital fusion of faith and reason—of Athens and Jerusalem—that had been part of Christianity since the early centuries had been divided by the Reformation and corollary movements, Benedict argued. To preface his argument, he quoted the words of another scholar under siege, the late Byzantine emperor Manuel Paleologus, who had engaged in a dialogue with a Muslim prince on the subject of God’s nature and man’s freedom. Benedict recalled the emperor’s contention that “violence is incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul. ‘God,’ Paleologus said,


‘is not pleased by blood—and not acting reasonably is contrary to God’s nature. Faith is born of the soul, not the body. Whoever would lead someone to faith needs the ability to speak well and to reason properly, without violence and threats. . . . To convince a reasonable soul, one does not need a strong arm, or weapons of any kind, or any other means of threatening a person with death.’

Benedict continued:


The decisive statement in this argument against violent conversion is this: not to act in accordance with reason is contrary to God’s nature. The editor, Theodore Khoury, observes: For the emperor, as a Byzantine shaped by Greek philosophy, this statement is self-evident. But for Muslim teaching, God is absolutely transcendent. His will is not bound up with any of our categories, even that of rationality. Here Khoury quotes a work of the noted French Islamist R. Arnaldez, who points out that Ibn Hazm went so far as to state that God is not bound even by his own word, and that nothing would oblige him to reveal the truth to us. Were it God’s will, we would even have to practice idolatry.

As with Urban’s speech at Claremont, Benedict’s address gave way to violence, though unlike Urban, this was not what Benedict had hoped for. The speech was widely condemned in both the Muslim world and the West. Ironically, few of those who expressed outrage appear to have read it; indeed, few critics seemed to be aware that the speech was principally about the West—not the Muslim world.


What are the consequences of dehellenization? For the Muslim world, one consequence has been plain: Faith unmoored from reason has led to widespread violence in the name of that faith.


For the West, dehellenization has led to the rejection of all non-material categories of knowledge, of the metaphysical. Such ideas are not as innocuous or as irrelevant to our lives as they may appear. That man may know Reason, and through it the mind of the Creator of the cosmos; that this Creator writes the law into the very nature of man; that using violence as a means of conversion is contrary to the Divine will; that the freedom to choose faith is written into the nature of man by that God—these are powerful ideas with profound implications. Such ideas were a predicate to the dialogues of Muslim and Christian scholars of the medieval era. These ideas are presently rejected by both mainstream Sunni Islam and Western secularists, especially academics.


Ghazali’s campaign of dehellenization may be as obscure as the Crusades are infamous, but this medieval idea is perhaps more to blame for violence in the Muslim world than medieval knights. If the dehellenization thesis is correct, then the West’s secular approaches to end religiously based violence by means of war, democracy, foreign aid, or other policies are doomed to failure before they begin. If Benedict is correct, then philosophical reengagement is the true basis for peace—a peace that was lost not on a battlefield but centuries ago in the realm of medieval philosophy.


Andrew Doran served on the Executive Secretariat of the U.S. National Commission for UNESCO at the U.S. Department of State, where he has since worked as a consultant. His views are his own.

Comments:

2.20.2013 | 10:54am
Samn! says:
This narrative of Ghazali striking some kind of death-blow against philosophy and rationalism within Islam is at this point a straw man. While it was a common story told in the scholarship of several decades ago, there has been of late something of a mini-industry in pointing out all the ways that Ghazali imported philosophical thinking into Islamic theology, even while decrying 'philosophy'. In this way, he might be analogous to some of the Greek Fathers in Christianity.

To get up to date with the scholarship on this, I recommend reading:

Frank Griffel, Al-Ghazali's Philosophical Theology (Oxford UP, 2010)

Alexander Treiger, Inspired Knowledge in Islamic Thought: Al-Ghazali's Theory of Mystical Cognition and Its Avicennian Foundation (Routledge, 2011)
2.20.2013 | 1:22pm
KTShamim says:
I hope Muslims show patience in response to these hate-filled speeches as per the Holy Qur'an's instructions:

Aal-e-`Imran Chapter 3 : Verse 187
"... you shall surely hear many hurtful things from those who were given the Book before you and from those who set up equals to God. But if you show fortitude and act righteously, that indeed is a matter of strong determination."
2.20.2013 | 5:29pm
Don Roberto says:
Samn!, is the "mini-industry" you refer to similar to that of psychologists who tell their patients to "do what feels good" and don't worry about "old-fashioned" moral strictures? Seriously, who could deny that the Muslim world has been in decline for centuries? On the other hand, at least from my admittedly limited knowledge, reconciling the Quran with reason might be an even greater challenge, with all due respect, than doing so with the Holy Bible.
2.20.2013 | 6:05pm
Andrew Doran says:
Samn: Thank you for your comments and the suggested reading, which I will be sure to pick up. I own Ghazali’s “The Incoherence of the Philosophers” (Michael E. Marmura’s translation) and am confident that I have in no way misrepresented his views. With respect to your comments, I’m unclear whether you are disputing the dehellenization thesis or simply arguing that Ghazali is not to blame. What is clear is that Ghazali had little use for the Greeks. A few excerpts, since I have it handy:

“The source of their unbelief is in their hearing high-sounding names such as ‘Socrates,’ ‘Hippocrates,’ ‘Plato,’ ‘Aristotle’ … When I perceived this vein of folly throbbing within these dimwits, I took it upon myself to write this book in refutation of the ancient philosophers … ” He then sets his sights in particular on Aristotle.

Perhaps Ghazali was less influential in bringing out the dehellenization of the Muslim world. That it has been dehellenized, however, does not seem to be a matter for debate.

KTShamim: Kindly tell me what aspects of this piece could be characterized as “hate-filled.”

As for your admonition of restraint, I can only say that I echo your hope that Muslims will “show patience” when reading this and similar pieces. All civilized people show patience toward the speech of others, whether they agree with that speech or not. Such patience really ought to be implicit. This patience should also be extended – and with the same vigilance – to those “People of the Book” who live as helpless minorities in the Muslim world, who are regularly victims of violence despite the Quran’s counsel to be tolerant.
2.20.2013 | 6:51pm
Just one comment on what's perhaps a peripheral matter - the author's comment that the horrors of the conquest of Jerusalem "would haunt not only the Crusaders but Muslim-Christian relations for a thousand years".

But did the Muslim world really retain any historical memory of the horrors of 1099? Or did many Muslims simply follow the lead of 19th century historians in decrying Christian Holy War, when the accounts of Fulcher and others were recalled, without any obligation at all to abhor jihad? (And, please, let's not pretend that "jihad" is primarily an individual's internal spiritual struggle. The primary meaning is what Manuel II Paleologus was discussing with his interlocutor - jihad is bloody conquest masquerading as an assertion of true religion.)
2.20.2013 | 9:35pm
Peter says:
I hope Muslims show patience in response to these hate-filled speeches as per the Holy Qur'an's instructions.

One might hope so. "Hate-filled speech" is pretty common in the world today. One doesn't have to look hard in the Middle East or the West to find it, even when you eschew loose definitions and exclude what is merely robust speech.
2.20.2013 | 10:05pm
Javier says:
KTShamin,
all hate aside, would you say that the God of Islam if the same as the Logos, or is Him a God that is not bound even by reason?.
2.21.2013 | 12:13am
Samn! says:
Andrew Dornan-- Thanks for your response. With regard to Ghazali and Hellenism, one has to separate the rhetorical posture from what he's actually up to. I'll again point out the analogy of the Greek Fathers, who often decried "pagan philosophy" while merrily dining at the buffet of neo-Platonism, stoicism, and Aristotelianism.

With reference to the "Incoherence", Ghazali does indeed point out certain doctrines held by philosophers that would disqualify one from being a believer-- the eternity of the world; that God only knows universals, not particulars; and a denial of the bodily resurrection. Of course, on these three questions Christian theologians would normally sided with Ghazali against the Hellenes. Moreover, we can't ignore the fact that Ghazali himself uses rational arguments against the philosophers. For example, his argument against the eternity of the world on the grounds that an actual infinite cannot exist has a pedigree going back directly to John Philoponos.

With regard to rationalism within Islam, well, some of this question comes down questions of place, time, and genre. Shiites adopted more or less all the major themes of the extremely rationalist Mu'tazili school-- crucially their insistence on God's absolute, unwavering justice. More strangely, the 'Illuminationist" school of medieval philosophy, ultimately derived from the thought of Avicenna and his use of Greek philosophy, is still practiced to some degree and is at times even encouraged by the regime there. (ctd.)
2.21.2013 | 12:49am
Samn! says:
(ctd.) As for Sunnis, it's not true that philosophy ended with a cataclysmic rejection of Averroes, who, being an Andalusian, was in any case never much read in the Islamic East. The tradition of doing Avicennan-type philosophy continued in various parts of the world-- particularly the Ottoman Empire and India-- but much too little research has been done on later Islamic philosophy. A good place to start for recent research on Islamic philosophy immediately after Ghazali is the volume In the Age of Averroes, ed. Peter Adamson (Warburg Insitute Colloquia 16, 2011).

Rational theology in Sunnism is not limited to 'falsafa', the Arab-Islamic take on Greek philosophy. One also has to take into account the genre of 'kalam', which, while no less rationalistic, uses different categories and asks somewhat different questions. A somewhat dated, but still quite useful source on Kalam as philosophy is HA Wolfson's The Philosophy of the Kalam (Harvard UP, 1976).
2.21.2013 | 4:44am
Jacob says:
Javier,

The Christian God isn't bound by reason.

The Islamic view is very similar in this regard. We both believe God technically can do whatever he would like.

Christians believe that what God has settled on is reason, and that is why reason is so important to us.

We would still take God over reason however. God just hasn't forced us to the choice.
2.21.2013 | 5:31am
David Huston says:
@ Javier et al:

It never ceases to amaze me when otherwise intellectually adept individuals in our culture, who generally display sound reasoning capabilities, are, nonetheless, still woefully unable to distinguish between the historical "revisionist" false "god of Islam" (of the ancient Mesopotamian pagan "moon-god" type), and the "true and living G-d" of Abraham, Isaac and Jacob."

Unless one is simply unacquainted with the writings of both Islam, and the Judeo-Christian Scriptures, thereby erroneously conflating the character traits of BOTH God's in their respective religious roles, as seen by man himself, it's virtually impossible to miss the fact - when comparing the literature of Islam and the Judeo-Christian tradition - that the "god of Islam," in no conceivable way, could possibly be "the Holy One of Israel"; unless of course, the "Ancient of Days" himself (Daniel 7:9), in his greatly advanced age, has somehow been suffering from some sort of memory deficiency, and become rather confused/deluded? about the arrangements manifestly stipulated in his blood-covenant-keeping promises, unilaterally made with his specially-created spirit creatures, throughout the last several millenia. Hmmm.

"You are my witnesses, saith G-d, and my servant [the nation Israel] whom I have chosen; that you may know and believe me, and understand that I am he: before me there was no God formed, neither shall there be after me..." (Isaiah 43:10) Notice the emphasis on thought and/or reason too.

The doctrinal teachings of Islam have clearly repudiated, and thus contradict, the pre-existing, inviolable and immutable precepts held sacred by both Jews and Christians, or "the people of the book." When will we realize, that the "god of Islam," is NOT the G-d revealed in the Hebrew Bible!
2.21.2013 | 7:42am
Uwaysi says:
Ghazali talks about yearning for an ideal. He laid the fundament for what is now "Mohammed and partners" type interpretation of Islam, which has become the problematic sects, Al-Qaida, Taliban.

There is free will, these quotes of Ghazali does not show understanding of immanence. Consciousness is of God. (32:9) And Aristotles Prime Mover, is still the logics behind religous thought.

Correct the error that lead to the extremism we see today. Aquaint yourself my research on Islam: http://paradoxuncreated.com/Blog/wordpress/?page_id=62

Peace Be With You.
2.21.2013 | 11:49am
JD says:
Jacob- I don't think God has "settled on reason." Fides et Ratio, etc etc, all support the notion that reason is linked essentially to the nature of God himself.

JDF
2.21.2013 | 1:28pm
Rick says:
Benedict was on target when he pointed out that the immanence of God in Jesus stands in contrast to the Islamic notion of complete transcendence. But let's examine one central point of the essay: Islam is a religion that, unlike Hellenized Christianity, propagates itself primarily by violent means, and this regrettable state of affairs can be blamed on the anti-intellectual Al-Ghazali.

The essay itself includes a description of the unrestrained violence visited on Muslims and Jews by the properly Hellenized Crusaders. Isn't this a self-contradiction? Isn't the idea that each individual has the right of conscience in choosing his faith more a product of the dreaded modern humanism than it is of medieval Catholicism? Did Jews in Medieval Spain have free choice of conscience in whether or not they were baptized as Christians? In contrast, while I was living in Morocco, King Hassan II issued a plea to Moroccan Jews to stop emigrating to Israel and to return to Morocco. He missed them!

Al-Ghazali's thought, in fact, paved the way for the greatly expanded influence of the mystical branch of Islam known as Sufism, one of the most non-violent elements in all of Islam. And it is exactly these Sufi sects that are now being bombed, torched, and murdered alongside Christians and Jews by the truly violent element in Islam: the radical Salafists. (Uwaysi, above, has it backwards. Salafists like al-Qaeda condemn Al-Ghazali.) I don't see Al-Ghazali so much as an anti-intellectual thinker than as a mystic who saw the impotence of human, rat-maze logic in the face of God's ineffable reality.

Thank you for the thoughtful essay, though. It brings back some rich memories from my years in North and West Africa!
2.21.2013 | 6:49pm
To David Huston: Muslims appear to intend that the Allah they worship is the same God who spoke to Moses and to Jesus. The fact that they differ from Jews and Christians about the nature and message of the God who was worshipped by Moses and Jesus no more makes Allah a "different God" than the doctrinal differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy prohibit all connection between the God they intend to worship. If you are a believer in God, God is an objective reality, outside your own concept of God in your mind. When believing Jews, Christians and Muslims speak about God, they differ in their understanding of God, but they all believe they are speaking about the objective, REAL God who created the world and gives revelation to certain real persons.

The name "Allah" means "The God" and is related to the words meaning "God" in Hebrew (a related Semitic language). The Bible translated into Arabic uses the name "Allah" to refer to "God" as worshipped by Jews and Christians.

The notion that a person who differs from your beliefs about God, is actually engaging in worship of a being other than the true God, is primarily used to justiofy treating the worshipper as less worthy of respect and freedom in his choice of religious belief. It is an argument made to belittle and ridicule both Muslims and the version of God that they worship.
2.22.2013 | 5:09am
STX says:
Greetings, Samn and all!

Thank you, Samn, for some great responses to Mr. Doran.

You're absolutely right that recent scholarship by Griffel, Treiger, al-Akiti, Michot, et al. has demonstrated that Ghazali is influenced by Ibn Sina in ways that conflict with Ghazali's polemic against the Hellenophile falasifa in the Tahafut. And you're also correct when you echo Maimonides' claim that many of the kalam arguments ultimately go back to Late Antique Christianity. And I agree that some of the Pateres tried, like Ghazali, to have it both ways in publicly criticizing Greek philosophers while employing some of their conceptual tools. Of course, traditional Christianity would have taken a very different path, perhaps a consistently more fideistic and less self-critical path, if that's where things had stayed.
2.22.2013 | 5:11am
STX says:
But it seems from your comments on the later kalam tradition that you are more interested in shifting the discussion away from the question of dehellenization and Ghazali's putative role therein. Whatever the post-Ghazalian Islamic tradition's ambiguous relationship with the Greeks, it was still rational, so the argument goes. I'm open to that possibility. But that would only be relevant to this discussion if one of the parties were claiming that reason can /only/ be Greek-derived, which I do not take Mr. Doran or BXVI or any other intelligent person to be saying. I think that both are saying that the dominant tradition of rational inquiry in the West goes back to the Greeks, and that turning away from that tradition is dangerous for those who have the Greeks as their intellectual forebears. Prima facie, I do not see what is hateful or offensive about such a claim, even if the claim is extended from "the West" (in whose history Muslims have undeniably played an important role) to "the Abrahamic religions".

The claim you address, of course, is not Mr. Doran's claim that the decline of Islamic civilization coincided with the denigration and then neglect of its Greek inheritance (even, I might add, as the Greek speaking world was being absorbed into Islamic states through offensive warfare). You simply haven't addressed his claim. Instead, in your discussion of the later kalam tradition, you take us on a red herring expedition to refute a straw man, i.e. the claim that all rational inquiry ceased after Ibn Rushd. If that is /your/ main point, I happily concede it.
2.22.2013 | 9:59am
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2.22.2013 | 1:42pm
Andrew Doran says:
Samn: Thank you for your response. The analogy of the Greek Fathers is very intriguing and gives us all something to contemplate. I’m afraid my command of Patristics isn’t all it should be. That Ghazali uses rational argument to reject the claims of the philosophers is indeed significant. I would take this a step further and ask whether all who adhere to any sola fide claim do not, in some sense, unwittingly utilize reason to uphold that claim. Rational faculties are needed to, say, read scripture and make a claim of sola scriptura. It has always struck me as an inherent contradiction that any religious fundamentalism would use rational argument – reason – to exclude non-religious, philosophical influences. In short, I don’t dispute Ghazali’s reliance on reason and rational argument (though this is indeed significant and bears elaborate discussion) to reject pagan philosophy. I’m more concerned with his lasting influence. If Ghazli and the Asharites did not set Sunni Islam on a downward, anti-intellectual trajectory, then how did the more radical, fundamentalist (esp. Wahhabi, Salafi sects) come to have greater influence in the Muslim world today? (I do believe this is the case.) That Avicenna and Averroes are not more at the forefront of the intellectual and cultural engagement of Islam and the West is unfortunate. The West could certainly benefit from studying the works of these writers. Remi Brague has written well of these two as a source of philosophical engagement, especially in “The Legend of the Middle Ages.” If you live in or ever visit the DC area, I’d love to continue this over coffee or lunch.
2.22.2013 | 1:42pm
Andrew Doran says:
Rick: Excellent point on the contradiction. I actually addressed this in the initial draft and was forced to remove it due to word count constraints. Whereas the Byzantine Christians were very much hellenized, you might say that the Crusaders were prehellenized. Byzantine soldiers who killed any human being in battle had to do penance for three years, during which time they could not receive communion. Contrast this with the Crusaders, for whom killing was sanctioned and you see two starkly contrasted perspectives in Latin and Greek Christendom. If this article gives the impression that I believe Christianity to have been perfectly hellenized in all places at all times, this was not my intent. With respect to freedom of conscience, where you see medieval philosophy and modern humanism as historical developments that occurred independent of one another (and perhaps in opposition?), I would argue that modern humanism – indeed, the Enlightenment – would not have occurred without medieval philosophy, without Scholasticism. Imagine if Aquinas had directed western philosophy – and Christianity – toward anti-philosophical, anti-intellectual religious fundamentalism and that the secular powers had backed this view: Would the West’s intellectual movements have developed the same way? Almost certainly not. The two movements and eras are more closely related than you might think.
2.22.2013 | 8:52pm
Javier says:
Andrew,
I didn't know about the byzantine soldiers having to do penance for killing in battle. It is really amazing for that time. One wonders what kind of penance the byzantine emperor Basil II the Bulgaroktonos must have had to endure in relation to the aftermath of the Battle of Kleidon against the bulgarians in 1014. Having crushed the Bulgarians, Basil is said to have captured 15,000 prisoners and blinded 99 of every 100 men, leaving 150 one-eyed men to lead them back to their ruler. Bulgarian King Samuel was physically struck down by the dreadful apparition of his blinded army, and he died two days later after suffering a stroke.
2.23.2013 | 10:41am
Andrew Doran says:
Javier: Yes, I was impressed, too, when I first read that (in Runciman’s “First Crusade”), but then Byzantium, like the medieval Muslim world, was in many respects more civilized than Latin Christendom. That the Byzantines preferred the Turks to the Crusaders isn’t surprising. Good question on the Bulgar Slayer. If forced to speculate, I’d guess that he exempted himself. That such a practice existed at all, however, tells us a great deal about Byzantine culture itself and its perspectives on violence. Anna Comnena, daughter of the Byzantine emperor Alexios, recorded (to her horror) that Latin priests of the First Crusade were also soldiers: “the Latin barbarian [priest] will handle divine things and simultaneously wear a shield on his left arm and hold a spear in his right.” In his book, “Christian Attitudes on War and Peace,” Roland Bainton writes of the First Crusade: “There was no residue here of the Augustinian mournfulness in combat. The mood was strangely compounded of barbarian lust for combat and Christian zeal for the faith.” Barbarian is more apt than most will acknowledge: Crusaders were the descendants of pagan Norsemen, Viking marauders who had only converted a few generations before. They had substantially retained their love of combat, and it would take many more generations to purge it. From late antiquity through the period of barbarian conquests and monasticism (the Dark Ages), this kind of violence was not part of the cultural character of Latin Christendom. So what changed? The most influential historical event of the era was the conversion of the Norsemen, who didn’t take so readily to the pacifism that had otherwise shaped Christianity in the first millennium. It’s not an excuse, but a reason, and one that I believe has been insufficiently treated by historians.
2.23.2013 | 12:01pm
Cole Simmons says:
Samn! and Mr. Doran,

Regardless of whether a thinker, Christian or otherwise, makes use of a philosopher's name, or even terminology, isn't this use or abuse insufficient evidence to claim rationality or irrationality? Sorry, that was a convoluted sentence. Loving or hating Aristotle does not make one reasonable or mystical.

However, when one attributes all causality to the unknowable will of a divine being, human lights are diminished to such an extent that mysticism will be more likely to result. Or, if one rejects the principle of non-contradiction, would he not be unsurprised if he saw a tree turn into a unicorn? God might do such things. Of course, how can one rely on reason in the face of such a God? Radical and unquestioning obedience are required. These are tendencies each great faith has had to caution against, in the persons of St. Thomas, Averroes and Maimonides.
2.23.2013 | 7:57pm
Sir:
Salafis and Wahhabis make up less than ten percent of the world Muslim population. Saudi Arabia is the only country in which they are a majority. And even among Salafis, pro-Jihad or pro-Qaeda extremists are fringe groups. They got the guns, not the numbers.
Yahya
2.23.2013 | 7:58pm
Al-Ghazali's intent in the Incoherence is actually rather close to one of the major goals of Thomas Aquinas' work: both argued that where reason appears to contradict faith, this is because the reasoning is faulty--sound and reliable reasoning does not contradict faith. Al-Ghazali argues, like Aquinas, that reason is not capable of reaching a decisive conclusion on some rather important questions of faith, such as whether the world has always existed. He therefore frees the reader to rely on revelation for these questions instead. So Al-Ghazali actually redeems reason from those who abuse its authority by claiming rational proof in matters where there is none. In this he set an admirable precedent for Maimonides and Aquinas, both of whom acknowledged Al-Ghazali as an intellectual benefactor.

In the passage you quote, Andrew, where he seems to be making fun of Socrates, Hippocrates, etc., his point is that some of those who claim the mantle of reason in his day are in fact making claims beyond what reason can establish, and incoherently relying on the authority of these names to establish their credibility, while rejecting the authority of Islam and its prophet.

Of course, Al-Ghazali is so successful in intellectually destroying his opponents that it does cast the hellenizers in a rather bad light. The fact is, however, Greek cosmology was very problematic and deserved to be resisted. Galileo, Kepler, etc. similarly refuted major Aristotelian ideas about the heavens, not just rationally but empirically. If this discrediting of Aristotle in one area led Europeans to discard Aristotle’s profoundly insightful moral thought as well, and the Aristotelian moral thought of Aquinas, that is unfortunate, but we can hardly blame Galileo for that.

Irrationalism in the Muslim world today is partly a product of disruption and brain drain during the colonial period.
2.23.2013 | 8:18pm
Samn! says:
Andrew-- There's a lot to be said for Brague's understanding of the West, and he deserves more attention among English-speakers. But he runs into the danger kind of essentializing that comes from focusing on discourses that only very few people had access too historically.

I would agree that more strongly scripturalist forms of Islam are coming to dominate Sunni discourse today, but I would want to look for reasons for this in historical contingencies. Certainly, the sudden oil wealth of Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states-- previously a cultural and intellectual backwater-- gave Wahhabism a platform that it could never have had otherwise. If you want to identify the real medieval culprit behind Islamic anti-rationality of the Saudi variety, Ibn Taymiyya is your villain.

Equally important for understanding the rise of non-Wahhabi Salafism and the Muslim Brotherhood are the kinds of social and technological changes that happened in the Islamic world in the 20th century. Greater education and literacy (later satellite tv) and the weakening of older forms of institutional religious authority led to a number of different thinkers--like Jamal al-Din al-Afghani and Muhammad Abuduh-- to promote a new kind of reformist Islam that tried to get rid of 'accretions' in Islamic culture such as philosophy and sufism, and develop a highly scripturalist Islam that, somewhat like Protestantism, claimed to restore authentic Islam by referring only to the Quran and Hadith. The appeal for the emerging middle class was immediate and it came to be spread by intellectuals without classical religious training, like Sayyid Qutb...

In any case, I'm not often in DC (I live in NYC), but thanks for the invitation. Feel free to email me if you'd like to continue this conversation-- I assume FT has access to my email address.
2.23.2013 | 8:28pm
Though not religious, I was pleased at the time that the pope would say, if it isn't reasonable it isn't us; and the only reason he had to eat crow, it seems to me, is that it hit home in the Islamic world. Bonne retraite, Benoit.
2.24.2013 | 12:07am
Jan Bolbot says:
Dear Mr. Doran,
May I respectfully suggest that you read the work of Jonathan Riley-Smith on the Crusades prior to opining on the subject? In particular, I suggest The Crusades: A History (2nd ed.) and The Crusades, Christianity, and Islam. I am surprised that a writer on a First Things website would repeat the same old errors about crusaders wading ankle deep in blood.
2.24.2013 | 1:48am
Leonard says:
It seems like the Muslim understanding of god as all powerful and untethered by any constraint is crucial. Christians may mouth those same words but none as Christians imagine Jesus hating or telling a lie. It is because we know god as a person who's personality is constrained by love for us and by truth. I don't think Muslims believe this about Allah and therein lies the root of our conflict.
2.24.2013 | 2:57am
"The fact that they differ from Jews and Christians about the nature and message of the God who was worshipped by Moses and Jesus no more makes Allah a "different God" than the doctrinal differences between Roman Catholicism and Eastern Orthodoxy prohibit all connection between the God they intend to worship."
Really? One wonders then, just how radically different from the God of Jesus the "nature and message" of another "God" has to be for that God to be really "another God" altogether?

Suppose the message of that "other God" sanctions to persecution of the followers of the "God of Jesus." Would the worship of that "God" be the worship of "another God" altogether. Just wonderin'?
2.24.2013 | 9:52am
Dave says:
So, does this discussion imply that Benedict's assertion that we need a basis in reason in order to explore common grounds between the religions is correct? Looks kind of like that's what's happening. Maybe it just needs expand into the general societies.
2.24.2013 | 10:56am
Javier says:
Andrew,
assuming the byzantine approach to fighting was uniformly such a guilt ridden one, is it to be commended?. The byzantine empire managed to loose militarily to Islam the best third of the christian world in less than two centuries. Their combat attitudes and abilities gave Islam Palestine, Syria, Egypt, Lybia, Tunicia, and present day Algeria and Morocco. They lost Sicily too. After Manzikert they also managed to give Asia Minor to Islam.
By 1683 the byzatines had long ago sucumbed to the turks (who turned Hagia Sophia into a Mosque. How civilized of them.). And the brutal westerners were still fighting for the survival of Christianity at the gates of Vienna.
2.24.2013 | 12:26pm
Leonard says:
To Dave et al.; You are on to something. If god exists then he has a nature that may be apprehended.

On the contrary, secular culture discards this and replaces it with the notion that god is private and personal - different for each person.

The Muslim, apparently, believes god cannot be constrained by anything, including the "categories" of man. So while Muslims may say "There is no god but Allah..." they cannot really say what god "is" since he cannot be apprehended as a "thing."

The Muslim and secular culture have that affinity - they both seem to hold that god cannot be described as a singular "thing!"

So what can the Christian or the Jew who knows god, constrained by love, talk to the Muslim or the secular humanist about?
2.26.2013 | 9:16pm
Rick says:
@Jan Bolbot: "I am surprised that a writer on a First Things website would repeat the same old errors about crusaders wading ankle deep in blood."

You are probably correct: the quasi-Christianized barbarians who made up the ranks of the Crusader armies likely had no shame about wildly exaggerating the blood-letting. That kind of post-battle boasting and hyperbole was characteristic of them. In reality, I expect the blood barely came to the tops of their feet, and probably only splashed up onto their ankles.

@Leonard : "It seems like the Muslim understanding of god as all powerful and untethered by any constraint is crucial....The Muslim and secular culture have that affinity - they both seem to hold that god cannot be described as a singular "thing!" So what can the Christian or the Jew who knows god, constrained by love, talk to the Muslim or the secular humanist about?"

You need to go back and read more of the Old Testament. How did Yahweh describe himself to Moses? "I am that which I am." In other words, "I'm not about to put any fence around myself to accommodate your human categories of thought!" God is undefinable, therefore, and certainly not a "thing." And there is no shortage of stories in the Old Testament wherein God acts in terrible and violent ways that we have trouble understanding. If he sends bears to tear children to bloody bits because they teased his prophet, is that purely an expression of love? This is why some in the early Christian era were led to propose that the Old Testament Yahweh and the God revealed by Jesus were different Gods.
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